Mario Schödler wrote:

> I have at home a SGI O2 Workstation. Now I want to install Irix . Do you now
> where I can get a version for me ( just private)? And what software runs on
> it?
>
> Thanks for answers
>
> Mario
>
>

I assume you don't want to shell out 600+ USD for an obsolete machine
like the O2, so you can just forget about buying IRIX from SGI. Your
only legal (well... kind of) option would be to search eBay for a
complete set of IRIX installation media, but even so you should be
prepared to pay around 90 USD or more.

Regards

And what about the not so legal way to get Irix 6.5 just for me?
(I just want to try to find a version)

Mario

"Florian Bachmann" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:bv59tv$lsq$04$1@news.t-online.com...
> Mario Schödler wrote:
>
> > I have at home a SGI O2 Workstation. Now I want to install Irix . Do you
now
> > where I can get a version for me ( just private)? And what software runs
on
> > it?
> >
> > Thanks for answers
> >
> > Mario
> >
> >
>
> I assume you don't want to shell out 600+ USD for an obsolete machine
> like the O2, so you can just forget about buying IRIX from SGI. Your
> only legal (well... kind of) option would be to search eBay for a
> complete set of IRIX installation media, but even so you should be
> prepared to pay around 90 USD or more.
>
> Regards

"Mario Sch?dler" wrote:
> And what about the not so legal way to get Irix 6.5 just for me?
> (I just want to try to find a version)
>

you are dancing on thin ice...

On 2004-01-28, IRIX Central wrote:
> "Mario Sch?dler" wrote:
>> And what about the not so legal way to get Irix 6.5 just for me?
>> (I just want to try to find a version)

Isn't M stream available to free supportfolio accounts?

http://support.sgi.com/

> you are dancing on thin ice...

Every time someone asks for software on this group they shoot at him. At
current SGI rates, I _seriously_ doubt a student, hobbist or simply a
private can efford to pay for

1) new hardware
2) support contracts (ie: updates, compilers and OSs).

Now wonder why with only the price of a support contract I can buy a
decent, well-balanced x86 machine with some nice wild penguins in it.

You may say that's NOT the SGI target.... Well, what kind of hardware I
should buy when I had no way to make experiences with SGI hw/sw, but had
plenty of experience with linux and common hardware? When I have a
problem, can I count on a community? IMHO, professionals and hobbists
should NOT be cut off because THEY will purchase/suggest SGI products
when in business. Hardware-only vendors are easily replaced you know.

--
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/ \__/ \ HPC and Engineering: bringing BITs to life!
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wave++ wrote:
>> you are dancing on thin ice...
>
> Every time someone asks for software on this group they shoot at him. At
> current SGI rates, I _seriously_ doubt a student, hobbist or simply a
> private can efford to pay for

this standpoint does not change the law. you can wring hands and debate
all day but it is still theft by legal definition.

"i do not agree with the prices therefore i am entitled to steal" is a
rather lame standpoint no matter how you slice it.

a poor starving student(tm) surely cannot afford a 60,000 sports car
either so can he just walk away with one off the lot and justify that?

if you cannot afford your hobby find a new one or take the TUXENOMICS
elsewhere.

cheers.

On 2004-01-28, IRIX Central wrote:
> wave++ wrote:
>> Every time someone asks for software on this group they shoot at him. At
>> current SGI rates, I _seriously_ doubt a student, hobbist or simply a
>> private can efford to pay for
>
> this standpoint does not change the law. you can wring hands and debate
> all day but it is still theft by legal definition.
>
> "i do not agree with the prices therefore i am entitled to steal" is a
> rather lame standpoint no matter how you slice it.

Did I say something about stealing/copying?

> a poor starving student(tm) surely cannot afford a 60,000 sports car
> either so can he just walk away with one off the lot and justify that?
>
> if you cannot afford your hobby find a new one or take the TUXENOMICS
> elsewhere.

The poor-starving-student(tm) will remember how nice was working with
closed-source-and-yet-unaffordable-software(r) and take TUXECONOMICS
into consideration TWO times, at least.

Where do you think unix has evolved most? In production like windoze?
I say that such "giants" like SGI should take care of motivated
professionals AND students or it will soon be dead.

FYI, I'M a poor-starving-student(tm), and I sold one eye to keep my
machine updated this year.

But, I think this was discuted several times in several threads, so I
won't put a word more. My point is: don't kill him, just point it to the
right direction.

NOTE: poor-starving-student(tm),
closed-source-and-yet-unaffordable-software(r) and TUXECONOMICS are
copyright of theyr respective owners.

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/ \__/ \ HPC and Engineering: bringing BITs to life!
\__/ \_ WARNING: the email address is fake.

wave++ wrote:
> But, I think this was discuted several times in several threads, so I
> won't put a word more. My point is: don't kill him, just point it to the
> right direction.

ihe was pointed to the right direction but he instead chose to come back
and blatantly ask for illegal copies of software since he did not like the
answer to his original thinly veiled request...

this is where the annoyance begins to escalate.

>
> NOTE: poor-starving-student(tm),
> closed-source-and-yet-unaffordable-software(r) and TUXECONOMICS are
> copyright of theyr respective owners.

it's TUXENOMICS!!!

On 2004-01-28, IRIX Central wrote:
>> NOTE: poor-starving-student(tm),
>> closed-source-and-yet-unaffordable-software(r) and TUXECONOMICS are
>> copyright of theyr respective owners.
>
> it's TUXENOMICS!!!

Who holds the copyright? The linux antichrist?

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/ \__/ \ HPC and Engineering: bringing BITs to life!
\__/ \_ WARNING: the email address is fake.

wave++ wrote:
>> it's TUXENOMICS!!!
>
> Who holds the copyright? The linux antichrist?

absolutely!

wave++ wrote:
>
> On 2004-01-28, IRIX Central wrote:
> > wave++ wrote:
> >> Every time someone asks for software on this group they shoot at him. At
> >> current SGI rates, I _seriously_ doubt a student, hobbist or simply a
> >> private can efford to pay for
> >
> > this standpoint does not change the law. you can wring hands and debate
> > all day but it is still theft by legal definition.
> >
> > "i do not agree with the prices therefore i am entitled to steal" is a
> > rather lame standpoint no matter how you slice it.
>
> Did I say something about stealing/copying?

The OP in this thread did mention illegally copying IRIX.

In message id "Mario
Schödler" wrote:

> And what about the not so legal way to get Irix 6.5 just for me?


I've got to agree with "IRIX Central" on this one. I highly doubt
anybody in this newsgroup is going to knowingly offer illegal copies of
IRIX for any reason.

On 2004-01-28, John-Paul Stewart wrote:
>> Did I say something about stealing/copying?
>
> The OP in this thread did mention illegally copying IRIX.
>
> In message id "Mario
> Schödler" wrote:
>
>> And what about the not so legal way to get Irix 6.5 just for me?
>
> I've got to agree with "IRIX Central" on this one. I highly doubt
> anybody in this newsgroup is going to knowingly offer illegal copies of
> IRIX for any reason.

I now noticed... uhhm
What we should do anyway is "prime" the matrix.. you know, a neural
network may take several iterations to learn (provided that's connected
to some form of Gray-Matter(r) with high speed NUMA links).

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/ \__/ \ HPC and Engineering: bringing BITs to life!
\__/ \_ WARNING: the email address is fake.

wave++ wrote:

> On 2004-01-28, IRIX Central wrote:
> > wave++ wrote:
> >> Every time someone asks for software on this group they shoot at him. At
> >> current SGI rates, I _seriously_ doubt a student, hobbist or simply a
> >> private can efford to pay for
> >
> > this standpoint does not change the law. you can wring hands and debate
> > all day but it is still theft by legal definition.
> >
> > "i do not agree with the prices therefore i am entitled to steal" is a
> > rather lame standpoint no matter how you slice it.
>
> Did I say something about stealing/copying?
>
> > a poor starving student(tm) surely cannot afford a 60,000 sports car
> > either so can he just walk away with one off the lot and justify that?
> >
> > if you cannot afford your hobby find a new one or take the TUXENOMICS
> > elsewhere.
>
> The poor-starving-student(tm) will remember how nice was working with
> closed-source-and-yet-unaffordable-software(r) and take TUXECONOMICS
> into consideration TWO times, at least.
>
> Where do you think unix has evolved most? In production like windoze?
> I say that such "giants" like SGI should take care of motivated
> professionals AND students or it will soon be dead.
>
> FYI, I'M a poor-starving-student(tm), and I sold one eye to keep my
> machine updated this year.

cool, i'll give you a REDHAT cd for the other one!

>
>
> But, I think this was discuted several times in several threads, so I
> won't put a word more. My point is: don't kill him, just point it to the
> right direction.
>
> NOTE: poor-starving-student(tm),
> closed-source-and-yet-unaffordable-software(r) and TUXECONOMICS are
> copyright of theyr respective owners.
>
> --
> __/ __, wave++ "Yuri D'Elia" http://www.yuv.info/
> / \__/ \ HPC and Engineering: bringing BITs to life!
> \__/ \_ WARNING: the email address is fake.

IRIX Central wrote:

> wave++ wrote:
>
>>>you are dancing on thin ice...
>>
>>Every time someone asks for software on this group they shoot at him. At
>>current SGI rates, I _seriously_ doubt a student, hobbist or simply a
>>private can efford to pay for
>
>
> this standpoint does not change the law. you can wring hands and debate
> all day but it is still theft by legal definition.
>
> "i do not agree with the prices therefore i am entitled to steal" is a
> rather lame standpoint no matter how you slice it.
>
> a poor starving student(tm) surely cannot afford a 60,000 sports car
> either so can he just walk away with one off the lot and justify that?
>

Cosmos never ceases to amaze me. Between his utter hatred of the
mere mention of the L word, he comes up with some extremely well
crafted and absolutely true zingers like the above. Good job,
Cosmos.

That being said, I can personally say that I've never bought one
of Microsoft's products, yet I have all the latest crap (SW)for my
desktop PeeCees. Yet somehow, I don't feel like a thief, even
though I suppose I am, by definition.

Come to think of it, I guess I did buy a copy of Flight Simulator
for Winbloze about 10 years ago, so I have paid my dues to the
almighty M$.

--
gd.

"Mario Schödler" wrote in message news:...
> And what about the not so legal way to get Irix 6.5 just for me?
> (I just want to try to find a version)
>
>

do not listen to these anti open source people!

you should probably find and install Linux for MIPS since you do not
want to waste your time with IRIX which is not going to be around much
longer.

and if no help from people such as this just ask nekochan forums for
linux on sgi help

peace

Linux on SGI User wrote:
> "Mario Schödler" wrote in message news:...
>
>>And what about the not so legal way to get Irix 6.5 just for me?
>>(I just want to try to find a version)
>>
>>
>
>
> do not listen to these anti open source people!
>
> you should probably find and install Linux for MIPS since you do not
> want to waste your time with IRIX which is not going to be around much
> longer.
>
> and if no help from people such as this just ask nekochan forums for
> linux on sgi help
>
> peace

Is that all you Linux guys can do? Spew aggressive messages across
newsgroups? Tired of insulting the "n00bs" in the Linux newsgroups maybe?

I know quite a few good Linux developers who are not like that at all,
did they banish you?

Grow up! Being passionate about something is great, but the tune needs
to change every now and then or it gets boring and annoying... Those of
us interested in Linux know where to find its newsgroups! Not sure what
you're accomplishing besides polluting our inboxes with your insults...

BTW, can you imagine the amount of death threats Mario would have
received from a Linux newsgroup if he had a request judged insulting as
his IRIX question is to the IRIX community? You've got to admit that
nobody really f lammed the guy here...


Among the insults though, you offered something that seems to fit
Mario's budget, so I'm sure he'll be happy about that... I'll be curious
(read "interested") to know how it works...

If you have some good interesting points to make, please make them,
we'll listen. But people have a tendency of not listening to what you
have to say when you start the discussion by spitting in their face...

Being aggressive makes you look insecure, not intimidating...


Another suggestion for Mario, still on the cheap side: 6.3 or 6.4 can
probably be obtained for free directly from sgi...

If it's really 6.5 that you need, $100 on eBay gets you 6.5; that isn't
bad either...

In article <5%3Sb.3312$VY1.2811@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
UNIX Museum wrote:
|> "Mario Schödler" wrote in message news:...

|Another suggestion for Mario, still on the cheap side: 6.3 or 6.4 can
|probably be obtained for free directly from sgi...

6.4 won't work on Mario's O2.

SGI USA and SGI Canada's policy would be not to provide even 6.3.
SGI Europe can apparently sometimes be talked into it.
--
I predict that you will not trust this prediction.

Linux on SGI User wrote:
> "Mario Schödler" wrote in message news:...
>
>>And what about the not so legal way to get Irix 6.5 just for me?
>>(I just want to try to find a version)
>>
>>
>
>
> do not listen to these anti open source people!
>
> you should probably find and install Linux for MIPS since you do not
> want to waste your time with IRIX which is not going to be around much
> longer.
>
> and if no help from people such as this just ask nekochan forums for
> linux on sgi help
>
> peace

Does the Linux MIPS port support the O2's graphics hardware? I don't
think so.

Regards

Linux on SGI User wrote:
>
> do not listen to these anti open source people!
>
> you should probably find and install Linux for MIPS since you do not
> want to waste your time with IRIX which is not going to be around much
> longer.
>

Come back when the list of supported hardware/devices is actually
larger than the unsupported list. That linux sgi port is a ****ing joke
just like you.

adios muchacho.

Florian Bachmann wrote:
> Linux on SGI User wrote:
>
>> "Mario Schödler" wrote in message
>> news:...
>>
>>> And what about the not so legal way to get Irix 6.5 just for me?
>>> (I just want to try to find a version)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> do not listen to these anti open source people!
>>
>> you should probably find and install Linux for MIPS since you do not
>> want to waste your time with IRIX which is not going to be around much
>> longer.
>>
>> and if no help from people such as this just ask nekochan forums for
>> linux on sgi help
>>
>> peace
>
>
> Does the Linux MIPS port support the O2's graphics hardware? I don't
> think so.
>
> Regards

It actually does. Seen it running X on last year´s Linutag in Karlsruhe.

Holger