In article ,
ethan@757.org (Ethan) wrote:

: Is there any real reference to all of the parts of IRIX that are
: licensed? There was a bunch of suggestions of SGI releasing it for
: free to hobbyists, but the issue of licensed components comes up.
: Other than BRU, and Motif... what is licensed?

A pair of companies sharing IP is like a pair of 3-year-olds sharing legos. Both
sides will claim to be the sole and original owner of all the red bricks, most
of the non-broken green slabs, and each and every last wheelset (unless the
tires are missing).

Trying to re-separate the two sets is an excersize in futility. Just look at all
the SCO/Linux fuss, all because IBM *dared* to demingle IP.


Cheers - Tony 'Nicoya' Mantler

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Tony 'Nicoya' Mantler wrote:

> In article ,
> ethan@757.org (Ethan) wrote:
>
> : Is there any real reference to all of the parts of IRIX that are
> : licensed? There was a bunch of suggestions of SGI releasing it for
> : free to hobbyists, but the issue of licensed components comes up.
> : Other than BRU, and Motif... what is licensed?
>
> A pair of companies sharing IP is like a pair of 3-year-olds sharing legos. Both
> sides will claim to be the sole and original owner of all the red bricks, most
> of the non-broken green slabs, and each and every last wheelset (unless the
> tires are missing).

you must have worked for toy companys then (pun not intended).

>
>
> Trying to re-separate the two sets is an excersize in futility. Just look at all
> the SCO/Linux fuss, all because IBM *dared* to demingle IP.
>

i propose a corollary to Godwin's Law substitute "linux" for "hitler".

>
> Cheers - Tony 'Nicoya' Mantler
>
> --
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Ethan wrote:

> I forgot where I was... anywho, I recently worked with a ton of Sun
> stuff, e220rs, 420r's, e6500s... what a bunch of junk, crap failing
> left and right.

i have an o200 on the way, i'm psyched!

In message , Ethan wrote:
> I'm posting to a long old thread about SGI asking for suggestions from
> Hobbyists.
>
> Is there any real reference to all of the parts of IRIX that are
> licensed? There was a bunch of suggestions of SGI releasing it for
> free to hobbyists, but the issue of licensed components comes up.
> Other than BRU, and Motif... what is licensed?
>
> IRIX is pretty stagnent, no offense but it really hasn't changed that
> much. If there was a way to eliminate some of the stuff that is
> licensed (maybe forever?) and sell the latest copy @ a cheap to
> non-commercial price, it would probably generate more cash than having
> it sold thru ebay and CD-Rs walking out of college labs. It doesn't
> seem like a ton of development is being done on IRIX, maybe SGI could
> benefit from letting people do work for them for free.

Sgi was still working on putting something together for hobbyists last time I
asked. When they will release something or what it will contain, I don't know.

As to development done on Irix, I'm not sure how much people outside of Sgi can
do to improve Irix itself. Developing applications for Irix seems to be the
best way to help them out.

Mark

* Ethan wrote:

> Another thing, the freeware people do a great job -- the list is so
> long, I like to rub it in the faces of Sun die hards. But sometimes
> important things don't get updated quickly (Security exploits), bind,
> OpenSSH, Apache... FreeBSD/OpenBSD/NetBSD use a ports collection,
> which is a system that maintains diffs for the BSD version of the
> code. The setup goes and gets the generic version of the freely
> availible software and then applies the diffs. If something like that
> was modified to keep a diff for mipspro and gcc, and used on IRIX it
> could be interesting. I will dig into it a bit, but I'm not
> uberprogrammer.

Take a look at NetBSD's pkgsrc
(http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/pkgsrc/) - it works on Irix as well.


-Jan

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On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:03:06 GMT, "<<>>" wrote:

>In news:ba51dd5.0309292306.2767cf23@posting.google.co m, Ethan wrote:
>
>> Is there any real reference to all of the parts of IRIX that are
>> licensed?
>
>I would imagine all the SVR4 stuff is licensed from SCO, along with
>certain derivative bits. There are probably other licensed bits too,

But SCO is apparently going to revoke that license:

http://www.cbronline.com/latestnews/...256db20018c17e

Now what this means in the real world is unknown until the lawyers get
into it.

Dans article ,
ghenriks@rogers.com disait...
>
> Now what this means in the real world is unknown[...]

Most probably that SCO is a bunch of silly morons.

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Gerald Henriksen wrote:

> But SCO is apparently going to revoke that license:
>
> http://www.cbronline.com/latestnews/...256db20018c17e
>
> Now what this means in the real world is unknown until the lawyers get
> into it.
>

it means that those of you that still have room in their budgets should
go out and buy more SGI gear to show their utter disgust at SCO's
ridiculous claims.

grts,

avi

Avi Bercovich wrote:
> Gerald Henriksen wrote:
>
>> But SCO is apparently going to revoke that license:
>>
>> http://www.cbronline.com/latestnews/...256db20018c17e
>>
>> Now what this means in the real world is unknown until the lawyers get
>> into it.
>>
>
> it means that those of you that still have room in their budgets should
> go out and buy more SGI gear to show their utter disgust at SCO's
> ridiculous claims.

SCO is in no position to revoke the license. They own the copyright over
the source code, they don't have the authority to give or take any
license of *any* unix (like) operating system*.

Erik

*) http://www.opengroup.org/

Erik wrote:
>
> Avi Bercovich wrote:
> > Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> >
> >> But SCO is apparently going to revoke that license:
> >>
> >> http://www.cbronline.com/latestnews/...256db20018c17e
> >>
> >> Now what this means in the real world is unknown until the lawyers get
> >> into it.
> >>

See http://oss.sgi.com/letter_100103.txt
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I will choose freewill. - Lee/Lifeson/Peart

Dans article <3f7bdf27$0$58703$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
avi@sillypages.org disait...
>
> it means that those of you that still have room in their budgets should
> go out and buy more SGI gear to show their utter disgust at SCO's
> ridiculous claims.
>

Especially since SGI has now a really fantastic range of great products
(Tezro rocks, Onyx4 rrrrrrooocks, Altix rocks).

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> > IRIX is pretty stagnent, no offense but it really hasn't changed that
> > much.
>
> Certainly the desktop has not changed, but do
> not mistake the desktop for the entire OS.

Actually, even the desktop has seen some work in 6.5.22. There are a
couple of screenshots of some of the bits I did (for 22) here:

http://reality.sgi.com/ralpht/resume/screenshots/

Ralph

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Hey Ralph!

> Actually, even the desktop has seen some work in 6.5.22. There are a
> couple of screenshots of some of the bits I did (for 22) here:
>
> http://reality.sgi.com/ralpht/resume/screenshots/

kool!! Its great to see some very nice improvments to the desktop! I like
4dwm the most compared to other wm's, and its finally going to get better

cheers!
mike

Ralph Thomas wrote:

> > > IRIX is pretty stagnent, no offense but it really hasn't changed that
> > > much.
> >
> > Certainly the desktop has not changed, but do
> > not mistake the desktop for the entire OS.
>
> Actually, even the desktop has seen some work in 6.5.22. There are a
> couple of screenshots of some of the bits I did (for 22) here:
>
> http://reality.sgi.com/ralpht/resume/screenshots/
>
> Ralph
>
> --
> ralph thomas - ralpht@sgi.com | "I can't escape reality as well as
> http://reality.sgi.com/ralpht | reality escapes me" (me, 8/26/03)

nice, thank god it's not gnome.

> > Actually, even the desktop has seen some work in 6.5.22. There are a
> > couple of screenshots of some of the bits I did (for 22) here:
> >
> > http://reality.sgi.com/ralpht/resume/screenshots/

Excellent. Nice to see AA icons and better fonts. IRIX had this
excellent SVG support, nice to see it's been given a kick. Now just
some really nice artistry required ... http://www.levien.com/svg/

> nice, thank god it's not gnome.

Well, one thing Gnome Nautilus does well (and almost any FM these
days) is display a directory listing (or icon view) that allows you to
scroll up and down without you wanting to commit seppuku. I don't
have people round to view my photos on my Octane, only on my PC.

Can the FM display code have some controllable content caching and
slickness updates too :0)

People like visuals, and these are visual(isation) workstations after
all.

Cheers,

Rob

On 2003-10-02, Ralph Thomas wrote:
>> > IRIX is pretty stagnent, no offense but it really hasn't changed that
>> > much.
>>
>> Certainly the desktop has not changed, but do
>> not mistake the desktop for the entire OS.
>
> Actually, even the desktop has seen some work in 6.5.22. There are a
> couple of screenshots of some of the bits I did (for 22) here:
>
> http://reality.sgi.com/ralpht/resume/screenshots/

Are you accepting suggestions?
Why don't use a thumbwheel for both font and icon size?

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previously Ralph Thomas may have written article
<20031002195431.3f33683c.ralpht@sgi.com> saying:
>> > IRIX is pretty stagnent, no offense but it really hasn't changed that
>> > much.
>> Certainly the desktop has not changed, but do
>> not mistake the desktop for the entire OS.
> Actually, even the desktop has seen some work in 6.5.22. There are a
> couple of screenshots of some of the bits I did (for 22) here:

Oooh nice.

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the moment to join in the laugh" - George Marsh

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Volker

Kurt Volker Krieg wrote:
>
> http://www.mesa-sys.com/sgi/index.html

so this is the new hobbyist program! Free legal advice and free
disclaimers. I love it!


Cheers
Andreas