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Hi Guys and Dolls,
Wondering if anyone can help me with this little problem.
I am currently a hpux admin. , but I would like to know more about
IRIX.
Does anyone have any information of what exists in IRIX , and what it
is in hpux ?
I know that the disk devices are pretty much the similar (rather than
the Linux standard).
Anything else ..?
Thanks
Ive
In article <ac7af48c.0401190727.54e9d2f0@posting.google.com>,
Ivan Marshall <Ive_Marshall@Hotmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>Hi Guys and Dolls,
>
>Wondering if anyone can help me with this little problem.
>
>I am currently a hpux admin. , but I would like to know more about
>IRIX.
>
>Does anyone have any information of what exists in IRIX , and what it
>is in hpux ?[/color]
[url]http://techpubs.sgi.com[/url] has all the IRIX manuals on line.
A book which shows system admin for various UN*X versions including
IRIX and HP-UX is
Essential System Administration
Aeleen Frisch
Pub by O'Reilly & Assoc
(I like this book. I have no financial interest in it.)
Useful for a comparison.
[color=blue]
>I know that the disk devices are pretty much the similar (rather than
>the Linux standard).
>
>Anything else ..?[/color]
There are areas of difference, but also major areas where things
are the same across all the UN*X variants.
(Many derived from ATT SYSV R4, including IRIX)
One that is quite different in the config files area is
Mac OS X, which is not in the 2nd ed of ESA I have on my desk.
The 3rd Edition is out, but Amazon shows the table of contents
etc from the 2nd edition, I don't know what is new in the 3rd ed.
Hmm. Time to order...
David Anderson
> >I am currently a hpux admin. , but I would like to know more about[color=blue][color=green]
> >IRIX.[/color][/color]
Tell you one thing about IRIX, it is hell to install. HP-UX, Solaris,
AIX are reasonably easy. But you have to be a rocket scientist to
install IRIX correctly and it takes ages compared to the others.
--
Who needs a life when you've got Unix? :-)
Email: [email]john@unixnerd.demon.co.uk[/email], John G.Burns B.Eng, Bonny Scotland
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In article <400C17FB.2E4@unixnerd.demon.co.uk>,
John Burns <john@unixnerd.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: > >I am currently a hpux admin. , but I would like to know more about
: > >IRIX.
:
: Tell you one thing about IRIX, it is hell to install. HP-UX, Solaris,
: AIX are reasonably easy. But you have to be a rocket scientist to
: install IRIX correctly and it takes ages compared to the others.
You've got to be kidding. I could fall asleep while installing IRIX.
Cheers - Tony 'Nicoya' Mantler :)
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John Burns wrote:[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>I am currently a hpux admin. , but I would like to know more about
>>>IRIX.[/color][/color]
>
>
> Tell you one thing about IRIX, it is hell to install. HP-UX, Solaris,
> AIX are reasonably easy. But you have to be a rocket scientist to
> install IRIX correctly and it takes ages compared to the others.
>[/color]
Strange, IRIX is in my experience not significantly more complicated to
install than other commercial *NIX systems. In fact I found it much more
pleasant to install than Solaris and several GNU/Linux distributions.
Did you punch a hole in your IRIX installation media perhaps?
grts,
avi
In article <nicoya-D7AB62.12373119012004@news.wp.shawcable.net>,
Tony 'Nicoya' Mantler <nicoya@ubb.ca> wrote:
:You've got to be kidding. I could fall asleep while installing IRIX.
I -have- fallen asleep while installing IRIX ;-)
--
Strange but true: there are entire WWW pages devoted to listing
programs designed to obfuscate HTML.
Dans article <buh3vd$o8tjq$1@fido.engr.sgi.com>,
[email]davea@quasar.engr.sgi.com[/email] disait...[color=blue]
>
> A book which shows system admin for various UN*X versions including
> IRIX and HP-UX is
> Essential System Administration
> Aeleen Frisch
>[/color]
It's a great book, but the current revision (thrid edition) got rid of
IRIX and IIRC HPox in favor of... Linux and FreeBSD.
--
Quis, quid, ubi, quibus auxiliis, cur, quomodo, quando?
> I -have- fallen asleep while installing IRIX ;-)
I have WANTED to! The first few times you do it, not at all easy.
--
Who needs a life when you've got Unix? :-)
Email: [email]john@unixnerd.demon.co.uk[/email], John G.Burns B.Eng, Bonny Scotland
Web : [url]http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk[/url] - The Ultimate BMW Homepage!
Need Sun or HP Unix kit? [url]http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/unix.html[/url]
In article <MPG.1a766398626ecd1198d481@news.free.fr>,
Emmanuel Florac <eflorac@imaginet.fr> wrote:[color=blue]
>Dans article <buh3vd$o8tjq$1@fido.engr.sgi.com>,
>davea@quasar.engr.sgi.com disait...[color=green]
>>
>> A book which shows system admin for various UN*X versions including
>> IRIX and HP-UX is
>> Essential System Administration
>> Aeleen Frisch
>>[/color]
>
>It's a great book, but the current revision (thrid edition) got rid of
>IRIX and IIRC HPox in favor of... Linux and FreeBSD.[/color]
That's disappointing. The 2nd edition seems available on
Amazon cheaply (though one has to ask for 'all editions' and it
took a bit of work to figure out how to get there). (earlier
edition used-book listings for this book generally don't
mention which edition is being sold -- not nice.)
I recommend the 2nd edition for IRIX/HPUX users who like
comparing UN*Xes. I did order the 3rd edition today, now I'll have to
keep two editions on the shelf...
Regards,
David B. Anderson davea at sgi dot com [url]http://reality.sgiweb.org/davea[/url]
John Burns wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>>I -have- fallen asleep while installing IRIX ;-)[/color]
>
>
> I have WANTED to! The first few times you do it, not at all easy.
>[/color]
If you do it first time from scratch, including prepping the
harddrive(s) etc. - yes, indeed. You need to remember the proper spells
for casting before things start to get going. Later on it becomes quite
a boring and certainly not challenging routine.
In news:400C4972.1C96@unixnerd.demon.co.uk, John Burns wrote:
[color=blue]
> The first few times you do it, not at all easy.[/color]
I remember installing 6.5 from scratch for the first time on my Indy.
Granted the Indy is a slow machine but I had a fast CD-ROM. Fx is
simple and fast and Inst couldn't be a better tool. The most tedious
thing is feeding in multiple CDs at the right time. Too bad IRIX isn't
on DVD. Booting to the miniroot could be made easier. I always liked
SUNs install boot command: boot cdrom.
--
#include <disclaimer.h>
Christopher Miller
[email]cm007i@hotmail.com[/email]
Tony 'Nicoya' Mantler wrote:[color=blue]
> In article <400C17FB.2E4@unixnerd.demon.co.uk>,
> John Burns <john@unixnerd.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> : > >I am currently a hpux admin. , but I would like to know more about
> : > >IRIX.
> :
> : Tell you one thing about IRIX, it is hell to install. HP-UX, Solaris,
> : AIX are reasonably easy. But you have to be a rocket scientist to
> : install IRIX correctly and it takes ages compared to the others.
>
> You've got to be kidding. I could fall asleep while installing IRIX.
>[/color]
Oh hell, I fall asleep installing Irix all the time. I have
everything automated in scripts, after typing in just a few commands,
and selecting which version I want, from 6.5 - 6.5.22, I hit the
return key, then "Q", and "Y" for "quit", and "yes" to reboot, and
come back 25 minutes later to the login screen. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
I do a lot of installs, sometimes a few dozen per week. But not
this month, sheesh. That's why I'm testy. Not enough sleep. :)
--
Greg Douglas
Reputable Systems
[url]http://www.reputable.com[/url]
[email]Ive_Marshall@Hotmail.com[/email] (Ivan Marshall) writes:
[color=blue]
> Hi Guys and Dolls,
>
> Wondering if anyone can help me with this little problem.
>
> I am currently a hpux admin. , but I would like to know more about
> IRIX.
>
> Does anyone have any information of what exists in IRIX , and what it
> is in hpux ?
>
> I know that the disk devices are pretty much the similar (rather than
> the Linux standard).[/color]
The Unix Rosetta stone can be a useful help initially.
[url]http://bhami.com/rosetta.html[/url]
*p
Come on, what's the difficult here?
fx
inst
from /CDROM
install all
from /CDROM
install all
from /CDROM
install all
from /CDROM
install all
from /CDROM
install all
....ok I'll stop now
remove *.sw64
Hay, I've got an Indy, eh?
remove *.lib64
remove *.64
go
go to sleep
wake up next morning and go to EZsetup :)
John how ya doin,
I've still got the G50 in my parents house....(there not too happy with me
leaving it there lol).
Irix is very easy to install. I like the install system much more than the
HP-UX system. Just bash in install default with in the inst system,
conflicts, then go :-) Job done!
Irix has the nice thing that the x server doesn't break every time you
change the system name or ip address lol (had this one many a time on
HP's).
IRIX seems so streight forward to me. It's a total walk though. swmgr or
inst is so much nicer than swinstall or any of the sam stuff.
*********************
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Dept. Of Materials
University Of Oxford
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Oxford
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Tel: 01865 273785
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, John Burns wrote:
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >I am currently a hpux admin. , but I would like to know more about
> > >IRIX.[/color][/color]
>
> Tell you one thing about IRIX, it is hell to install. HP-UX, Solaris,
> AIX are reasonably easy. But you have to be a rocket scientist to
> install IRIX correctly and it takes ages compared to the others.
>
>
> --
> Who needs a life when you've got Unix? :-)
> Email: [email]john@unixnerd.demon.co.uk[/email], John G.Burns B.Eng, Bonny Scotland
> Web : [url]http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk[/url] - The Ultimate BMW Homepage!
> Need Sun or HP Unix kit? [url]http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/unix.html[/url]
>[/color]
Greg Douglas <gdouglas@reputable.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Oh hell, I fall asleep installing Irix all the time. I have
> everything automated in scripts, after typing in just a few commands,
> and selecting which version I want, from 6.5 - 6.5.22, I hit the
> return key, then "Q", and "Y" for "quit", and "yes" to reboot, and
> come back 25 minutes later to the login screen. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz......[/color]
Your scripts make me jealous. Mine, I have to type a few incantations
to netboot, tftp over the scripts, run the install, run a postinstall
script (to tell it its name), reboot, run another postinstall script.
All that after changing firewall rules on my install server to let it
through. It's a real PITA, though when installing 10 machines it
certainly pays off.
A few years later, I did a much better job under linux. One command,
and leave it. When I come back there's a user sitting there working.
Of course, that was years later, so my experience may have helped.
As for the difficulties of IRIX, let me just say that it isn't really
any greener on the other side. At least IRIX made consistent backups
when using xfsdump. Linux dump makes backups that are totally
corrupt (pieces of users' files mixed in with other users' files if
the filesystem was active). Currently trying to work around this by
using snapshots....
Damian Menscher
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You forgot one step there...
Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski wrote:[color=blue]
> Come on, what's the difficult here?
>
> fx
> inst
> from /CDROM
> install all
> from /CDROM
> install all
> from /CDROM
> install all
> from /CDROM
> install all
> from /CDROM
> install all
> ...ok I'll stop now
> remove *.sw64
> Hay, I've got an Indy, eh?
> remove *.lib64
> remove *.64[/color]
.... set the CD changer up properly...
[color=blue]
> go
> go to sleep
> wake up next morning and go to EZsetup :)[/color]
Still, you get a better sleep (no CD change noises) if you do it over
NFS or so... :-)
"<<>>" <cm007i@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Jp%Ob.229329$0P1.192173@twister.nyc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In news:400C4972.1C96@unixnerd.demon.co.uk, John Burns wrote:
>[color=green]
> > The first few times you do it, not at all easy.[/color]
>
> I remember installing 6.5 from scratch for the first time on my Indy.
> Granted the Indy is a slow machine but I had a fast CD-ROM. Fx is
> simple and fast and Inst couldn't be a better tool. The most tedious
> thing is feeding in multiple CDs at the right time. Too bad IRIX isn't
> on DVD. Booting to the miniroot could be made easier. I always liked
> SUNs install boot command: boot cdrom.
>
> --[/color]
Don't complain. I used to install IRIX years ago from QIC tapes.
Damian Menscher <menscher+sgi@uiuc.edu> wrote:[color=blue]
> As for the difficulties of IRIX, let me just say that it isn't really
> any greener on the other side. At least IRIX made consistent backups
> when using xfsdump. Linux dump makes backups that are totally
> corrupt (pieces of users' files mixed in with other users' files if
> the filesystem was active). Currently trying to work around this by
> using snapshots....[/color]
You could use XFS and xfsdump under Linux, of course. Or are you saying
that Linux xfsdump is buggy?
Ivan
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Ivan Rayner
[email]ivanr@sgi.com[/email]
Ivan Rayner <ivanr@sgi.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> Damian Menscher <menscher+sgi@uiuc.edu> wrote:[color=green]
>> As for the difficulties of IRIX, let me just say that it isn't really
>> any greener on the other side. At least IRIX made consistent backups
>> when using xfsdump. Linux dump makes backups that are totally
>> corrupt (pieces of users' files mixed in with other users' files if
>> the filesystem was active). Currently trying to work around this by
>> using snapshots....[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> You could use XFS and xfsdump under Linux, of course. Or are you saying
> that Linux xfsdump is buggy?[/color]
Yeah, I just didn't bother to mess with getting XFS support on this
box (RH9, and didn't want to do anything that would make maintenance
nonstandard). So it's running with ext3.
My only complaint with xfsdump was that it didn't tunnel through ssh
easily (is it possible at all?).
Damian Menscher
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-=#| 4602 Beckman, VMIL/MS, Imaging Technology Group:(217)244-3074 |#=-
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