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  1. Mythtv

    I am trying to get mythtv setup working.

    Using Arch linux as the OS.

    I have a WinPVR-250 Hauppauge card analog.

    I have installed mysql and myth, configured myth ( at least I think I have
    it configed).

    When selecting the watch tv from mythfrontend it dosen't do anything.

    I tried using tvtime and kdetv to check the tv card to see if it is working,
    those fail. Trying cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg works and dmesg shows the tv
    card initializing. So I know the card is working. I don't know how to test
    the card using mplayer ( I have it installed).

    Any hints to get myth working?

    Thanks.

    --
    Tayo'y mga Pinoy

  2. Re: Mythtv

    Baho Utot wrote:

    > I have a WinPVR-250 Hauppauge card analog.
    >
    > Trying cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg works


    Shure? This command doesn't work here on a *working* bt878, the
    resulting mpg doesn't play with mplayer.

    >and dmesg shows the tv
    > card initializing. So I know the card is working.


    Quote this.

    > I don't know how to test
    > the card using mplayer ( I have it installed).


    mplayer tv://


    Martin

  3. Re: Mythtv

    Martin Klar wrote:

    > Baho Utot wrote:
    >
    >> I have a WinPVR-250 Hauppauge card analog.
    >>
    >> Trying cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg works

    >
    > Shure? This command doesn't work here on a *working* bt878, the
    > resulting mpg doesn't play with mplayer.
    >


    Yes as test.mpg shows ABS-CBN news

    >>and dmesg shows the tv
    >> card initializing. So I know the card is working.

    >
    > Quote this
    > .

    OK

    Linux video capture interface: v2.00
    ivtv: Start initialization, version 1.2.0
    ivtv0: Initializing card #0
    ivtv0: Autodetected Hauppauge card (cx23416 based)
    ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:0a.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
    logips2pp: Detected unknown logitech mouse model 62
    tveeprom 1-0050: Hauppauge model 32032, rev B382, serial# 7259628
    tveeprom 1-0050: tuner model is LG TAPC H791F (idx 82, type 39)
    tveeprom 1-0050: TV standards NTSC(M) (eeprom 0x08)
    tveeprom 1-0050: audio processor is MSP4448 (idx 27)
    tveeprom 1-0050: decoder processor is SAA7115 (idx 19)
    tveeprom 1-0050: has no radio, has IR receiver, has no IR transmitter
    ivtv0: Autodetected Hauppauge WinTV PVR-250
    saa7115 1-0021: saa7115 found (1f7115d0e100000) @ 0x42 (ivtv i2c driver #0)
    msp3400 1-0040: MSP4448G-B3 found @ 0x80 (ivtv i2c driver #0)
    msp3400 1-0040: MSP4448G-B3 supports radio, mode is autodetect and
    autoselect
    tuner 1-0061: chip found @ 0xc2 (ivtv i2c driver #0)
    tuner-simple 1-0061: type set to 39 (LG NTSC (newer TAPC series))
    ivtv0: Registered device video0 for encoder MPG (4096 kB)
    ivtv0: Registered device video32 for encoder YUV (2048 kB)
    ivtv0: Registered device vbi0 for encoder VBI (1024 kB)
    ivtv0: Registered device video24 for encoder PCM (320 kB)
    ivtv0: Initialized card #0: Hauppauge WinTV PVR-250
    ivtv: End initialization

    then later:

    ivtv0: Loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (376836 bytes)
    ivtv0: Encoder revision: 0x02060039


    >
    >> I don't know how to test
    >> the card using mplayer ( I have it installed).

    >
    > mplayer tv://
    >
    >
    > Martin


    Gives:

    [scrat@desktop ~]$ mplayer tv://
    MPlayer 1.0rc2-4.2.3 (C) 2000-2007 MPlayer Team
    CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ (Family: 6, Model: 10, Stepping: 0)
    CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
    Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
    115 audio & 237 video codecs
    mplayer: could not connect to socket
    mplayer: No such file or directory
    Failed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote
    control.

    Playing tv://.
    TV file format detected.
    Selected driver: v4l2
    name: Video 4 Linux 2 input
    author: Martin Olschewski
    comment: first try, more to come ;-)
    Selected device: Hauppauge WinTV PVR-250
    Tuner cap: STEREO LANG1 LANG2
    Tuner rxs: STEREO
    Capabilites: video capture VBI capture device tuner audio read/write
    supported norms: 0 = PAL-BGH; 1 = PAL-DK; 2 = PAL-I; 3 = PAL-M; 4 = PAL-N;
    5 = PAL-Nc; 6 = SECAM-BGH; 7 = SECAM-DK; 8 = SECAM-L;
    9 = SECAM-L'; 10 = NTSC-M; 11 = NTSC-J; 12 = NTSC-K;
    inputs: 0 = Tuner 1; 1 = S-Video 1; 2 = Composite 1; 3 = S-Video 2; 4 =
    Composi te 2; 5 = Composite 3;
    Current input: 0
    Current format: unknown (0x4745504d)
    v4l2: current audio mode is : STEREO
    tv.c: norm_from_string(pal): Bogus norm parameter, setting default.
    v4l2: ioctl request buffers failed: Invalid argument
    v4l2: 0 frames successfully processed, 0 frames dropped.


    MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: demux_open
    - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
    Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a 'gdb' backtrace and
    disassembly. Details in
    DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports_what.html#bugreports_crash.
    - MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
    It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your
    gcc version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read
    DOCS/HTML/en/bugreports.html and follow the instructions there. We can't
    and
    won't help unless you provide this information when reporting a possible
    bug.

    I have to decipher what mplayer spit out as I am not versed in mplayer.

    I will try to recompile mplayer as generic CPU and not AMD specfic and see
    if it still barfs.


    tvtime barfs with this too:
    v4l2: ioctl request buffers failed: Invalid argument

    I don't know what this is telling me.

    Thank you

    --
    Tayo'y mga Pinoy

  4. Re: Mythtv

    Baho Utot wrote:

    > tveeprom 1-0050: TV standards NTSC(M) (eeprom 0x08)

    [...]
    > Capabilites: video capture VBI capture device tuner audio read/write
    > supported norms: 0 = PAL-BGH; 1 = PAL-DK; 2 = PAL-I; 3 = PAL-M; 4 = PAL-N;
    > 5 = PAL-Nc; 6 = SECAM-BGH; 7 = SECAM-DK; 8 = SECAM-L;
    > 9 = SECAM-L'; 10 = NTSC-M; 11 = NTSC-J; 12 = NTSC-K;


    i.e. mplayer tv://10 *should* work.

    Martin

  5. Re: Mythtv

    Martin Klar wrote:

    [putolin]

    > i.e. mplayer tv://10 *should* work.
    >
    > Martin


    It doesn't

    But

    I think I have found the problem:

    I tried recompiling mplayer and it failed at the point of compiling
    vo_ivtv.c. Upon examination I found that when ivtv developers has changed
    the driver and header files (ivtv.h) between the 0.1x version for kernels
    < 2.6.12 and kernels > 2.6.12. Since I have kernel 2.6.25 I need to use
    the 1.2.0 version.

    Here is the error from compiling:

    make[1]: Entering directory
    `/home/scrat/Abs.Build/mplayer/src/MPlayer-1.0rc2/libvo'
    cc -I../libavcodec -I../libavformat -Wdisabled-optimization -Wno-pointer-sign
    -Wdeclaration-after-statement -I. -I.. -I../libavutil -Wall -Wno-switch
    -Wpointer-arith -Wredundant-decls -O4 -march=i686
    -mtune=generic -pipe -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer
    -D_REENTRANT -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE
    -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/lib/live-media -I/usr/include/ -I/usr/include/SDL
    -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0
    -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo
    -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include
    -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/pixman-1
    -c -o vo_ivtv.o vo_ivtv.c
    vo_ivtv.c: In function 'ivtv_reset':
    vo_ivtv.c:79: error: storage size of 'sd' isn't known
    vo_ivtv.c:80: error: storage size of 'sd1' isn't known
    vo_ivtv.c:84: error: 'IVTV_STOP_FL_HIDE_FRAME' undeclared (first use in this
    function)
    vo_ivtv.c:84: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
    vo_ivtv.c:84: error: for each function it appears in.)
    vo_ivtv.c:87: error: 'IVTV_IOC_STOP_DECODE' undeclared (first use in this
    function)
    vo_ivtv.c:97: error: 'IVTV_IOC_START_DECODE' undeclared (first use in this
    function)
    vo_ivtv.c:80: warning: unused variable 'sd1'
    vo_ivtv.c:79: warning: unused variable 'sd'
    make[1]: *** [vo_ivtv.o] Error 1
    make[1]: Leaving directory
    `/home/scrat/Abs.Build/mplayer/src/MPlayer-1.0rc2/libvo'
    make: *** [libvo/libvo.a] Error 2

    If you look at ivtv.h in the above driver releases you will find that the
    storage size errors and the undeclared errors are defined in the drivers <
    1.x and not in the driver 1.x and above.

    So I will need to contact mplayer developers and inform them that ivtv has
    changed. Hopefully they will prepare a fix, but maybe not as this is an
    old TV tuner card.

    I think the same thing is going on with mythtv, but I have not got to that
    as of now.

    On another note:

    What currently available tv tuner cards does linux work with?
    Maybe I can find something on newegg that works out of the box, otherwise I
    need to build up a system with a 2.6.12 or earlier kernel and use the 0.10
    driver.

    Thank you

    Salamat po

    --
    Tayo'y mga Pinoy

  6. Re: Mythtv

    On Jul 13, 9:27*pm, Baho Utot wrote:
    > Martin Klar wrote:
    >
    > [putolin]
    >
    > > i.e. mplayer tv://10 *should* work.

    >
    > > Martin

    >
    > It doesn't
    >
    > But
    >
    > I think I have found the problem:
    >
    > I tried recompiling mplayer and it failed at the point of compiling
    > vo_ivtv.c. *Upon examination I found that when ivtv developers has changed
    > the driver and header files (ivtv.h) between the 0.1x version for kernels
    > < 2.6.12 and kernels > 2.6.12. *Since I have kernel 2.6.25 I need to use
    > the 1.2.0 version.
    >
    > Here is the error from compiling:
    >
    > make[1]: Entering directory
    > `/home/scrat/Abs.Build/mplayer/src/MPlayer-1.0rc2/libvo'
    > cc -I../libavcodec -I../libavformat -Wdisabled-optimization -Wno-pointer-sign
    > -Wdeclaration-after-statement -I. -I.. -I../libavutil -Wall -Wno-switch
    > -Wpointer-arith -Wredundant-decls -O4 -march=i686
    > -mtune=generic -pipe -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer
    > -D_REENTRANT -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE
    > -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/lib/live-media -I/usr/include/ *-I/usr/include/SDL
    > -D_REENTRANT *-I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0
    > -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo
    > -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include
    > -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/pixman-1 *
    > * -c -o vo_ivtv.o vo_ivtv.c
    > vo_ivtv.c: In function 'ivtv_reset':
    > vo_ivtv.c:79: error: storage size of 'sd' isn't known
    > vo_ivtv.c:80: error: storage size of 'sd1' isn't known
    > vo_ivtv.c:84: error: 'IVTV_STOP_FL_HIDE_FRAME' undeclared (first use in this
    > function)
    > vo_ivtv.c:84: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
    > vo_ivtv.c:84: error: for each function it appears in.)
    > vo_ivtv.c:87: error: 'IVTV_IOC_STOP_DECODE' undeclared (first use in this
    > function)
    > vo_ivtv.c:97: error: 'IVTV_IOC_START_DECODE' undeclared (first use in this
    > function)
    > vo_ivtv.c:80: warning: unused variable 'sd1'
    > vo_ivtv.c:79: warning: unused variable 'sd'
    > make[1]: *** [vo_ivtv.o] Error 1
    > make[1]: Leaving directory
    > `/home/scrat/Abs.Build/mplayer/src/MPlayer-1.0rc2/libvo'
    > make: *** [libvo/libvo.a] Error 2
    >
    > If you look at ivtv.h in the above driver releases you will find that the
    > storage size errors and the undeclared errors are defined in the drivers <
    > 1.x and not in the driver 1.x and above.
    >
    > So I will need to contact mplayer developers and inform them that ivtv has
    > changed. *Hopefully they will prepare a fix, but maybe not as this is an
    > old TV tuner card.
    >
    > I think the same thing is going on with mythtv, but I have not got to that
    > as of now.
    >
    > On another note:
    >
    > What currently available tv tuner cards does linux work with?
    > Maybe I can find something on newegg that works out of the box, otherwiseI
    > need to build up a system with a 2.6.12 or earlier kernel and use the 0.10
    > driver.
    >
    > Thank you
    >
    > Salamat po
    >
    > --
    > Tayo'y mga Pinoy


    I wish I could work out how these bloody groups work.

    The Peak http://www.peakhardware.com/products...l.asp?paid=199
    PEAK 138508AGPK
    DVB-T Digital TV Hybrid PCI Card works. At least for analog TV and
    radio, I havn't got the rest of it going yet. There are large numbers
    of other cards that work. I mention it because I have got one.

    Install the module with the options: saa7134 card=81 tuner=54 then
    tvtime works with the Russian frequencies, with me. mplayer tv://21 -
    tv vast:numberfptions works. gqradio works for FM but you
    probably need a good arial.

    http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151770

  7. Re: Mythtv

    Lugo wrote:

    > On Jul 13, 9:27*pm, Baho Utot wrote:
    >> Martin Klar wrote:
    >>
    >> [putolin]
    >>
    >> > i.e. mplayer tv://10 *should* work.

    >>
    >> > Martin

    >>
    >> It doesn't
    >>
    >> But
    >>
    >> I think I have found the problem:
    >>
    >> I tried recompiling mplayer and it failed at the point of compiling
    >> vo_ivtv.c. *Upon examination I found that when ivtv developers has
    >> changed the driver and header files (ivtv.h) between the 0.1x version for
    >> kernels < 2.6.12 and kernels > 2.6.12. *Since I have kernel 2.6.25 I need
    >> to use the 1.2.0 version.
    >>
    >> Here is the error from compiling:
    >>
    >> make[1]: Entering directory
    >> `/home/scrat/Abs.Build/mplayer/src/MPlayer-1.0rc2/libvo'
    >> cc -I../libavcodec -I../libavformat -Wdisabled-optimization
    >> -Wno-pointer-sign -Wdeclaration-after-statement -I. -I.. -I../libavutil
    >> -Wall -Wno-switch -Wpointer-arith -Wredundant-decls -O4 -march=i686
    >> -mtune=generic -pipe -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer
    >> -D_REENTRANT -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64
    >> -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/lib/live-media
    >> -I/usr/include/ *-I/usr/include/SDL -D_REENTRANT
    >> -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0
    >> -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo
    >> -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
    >> -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/freetype2
    >> -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -c -o vo_ivtv.o vo_ivtv.c
    >> vo_ivtv.c: In function 'ivtv_reset': vo_ivtv.c:79: error: storage size of
    >> 'sd' isn't known vo_ivtv.c:80: error: storage size of 'sd1' isn't known
    >> vo_ivtv.c:84: error: 'IVTV_STOP_FL_HIDE_FRAME' undeclared (first use in
    >> this function)
    >> vo_ivtv.c:84: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
    >> vo_ivtv.c:84: error: for each function it appears in.)
    >> vo_ivtv.c:87: error: 'IVTV_IOC_STOP_DECODE' undeclared (first use in this
    >> function)
    >> vo_ivtv.c:97: error: 'IVTV_IOC_START_DECODE' undeclared (first use in
    >> this function)
    >> vo_ivtv.c:80: warning: unused variable 'sd1'
    >> vo_ivtv.c:79: warning: unused variable 'sd'
    >> make[1]: *** [vo_ivtv.o] Error 1
    >> make[1]: Leaving directory
    >> `/home/scrat/Abs.Build/mplayer/src/MPlayer-1.0rc2/libvo'
    >> make: *** [libvo/libvo.a] Error 2
    >>
    >> If you look at ivtv.h in the above driver releases you will find that the
    >> storage size errors and the undeclared errors are defined in the drivers
    >> < 1.x and not in the driver 1.x and above.
    >>
    >> So I will need to contact mplayer developers and inform them that ivtv
    >> has changed. *Hopefully they will prepare a fix, but maybe not as this is
    >> an old TV tuner card.
    >>
    >> I think the same thing is going on with mythtv, but I have not got to
    >> that as of now.
    >>
    >> On another note:
    >>
    >> What currently available tv tuner cards does linux work with?
    >> Maybe I can find something on newegg that works out of the box, otherwise
    >> I need to build up a system with a 2.6.12 or earlier kernel and use the
    >> 0.10 driver.
    >>
    >> Thank you
    >>
    >> Salamat po
    >>
    >> --
    >> Tayo'y mga Pinoy

    >
    > I wish I could work out how these bloody groups work.
    >
    > The Peak http://www.peakhardware.com/products...l.asp?paid=199
    > PEAK 138508AGPK
    > DVB-T Digital TV Hybrid PCI Card works. At least for analog TV and
    > radio, I havn't got the rest of it going yet. There are large numbers
    > of other cards that work. I mention it because I have got one.
    >
    > Install the module with the options: saa7134 card=81 tuner=54 then
    > tvtime works with the Russian frequencies, with me. mplayer tv://21 -
    > tv vast:numberfptions works. gqradio works for FM but you
    > probably need a good arial.
    >
    > http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151770


    OK thanks I'll have a look for it.


    --
    Tayo'y mga Pinoy

  8. Re: Mythtv

    Baho Utot wrote:
    > I am trying to get mythtv setup working.


    I just got into this last night which gauges the depth of my knowledge of the
    subject.

    > Using Arch linux as the OS.


    yum -y install mythtv

    worked flawlessly

    > I have a WinPVR-250 Hauppauge card analog.


    From scanning the docs it appears to hate Hauppauge anything.

    > I have installed mysql and myth, configured myth ( at least I think I have
    > it configed).


    The docs read as dated and in need of an update but should have your answer
    some place.

    > When selecting the watch tv from mythfrontend it dosen't do anything.


    > I tried using tvtime and kdetv to check the tv card to see if it is working,
    > those fail. Trying cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg works and dmesg shows the tv
    > card initializing. So I know the card is working. I don't know how to test
    > the card using mplayer ( I have it installed).


    > Any hints to get myth working?


    No but so far I find scanning the "stop signs" that appear to be related to
    my questions have at least related information. I haven't managed to "turn it
    on" myself yet either but I'll be following this discussion for that reason.

    Speaking of the thing in general, I don't see what it can add to the DVR I
    rent from the cable company for like $5/mon save a bit more flexibility. Looks
    at the moment I will be using it as a post processor to the DVR for killing
    commercials and such.

    --
    Hodie sexto Idus Augustas MMVIII est
    -- The Ferric Webcaesar
    http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/bombings.phtml a5

  9. Re: Mythtv

    Matt Giwer wrote:

    > Baho Utot wrote:
    >> I am trying to get mythtv setup working.

    >
    > I just got into this last night which gauges the depth of my knowledge of
    > the subject.
    >
    >> Using Arch linux as the OS.

    >
    > yum -y install mythtv
    >
    > worked flawlessly


    Ahem not on Arch linux, there is no yum

    >
    >> I have a WinPVR-250 Hauppauge card analog.

    >
    > From scanning the docs it appears to hate Hauppauge anything.


    I have found that ivtv has changed their driver for the card and I will need
    to revert to a old kernel to get it to work with myth.

    > killing commercials and such.


    Bingo


  10. Re: Mythtv

    Baho Utot wrote:
    > Matt Giwer wrote:
    >
    >> Baho Utot wrote:
    >>> I am trying to get mythtv setup working.

    >> I just got into this last night which gauges the depth of my knowledge of
    >> the subject.
    >>
    >>> Using Arch linux as the OS.

    >> yum -y install mythtv
    >>
    >> worked flawlessly

    >
    > Ahem not on Arch linux, there is no yum


    If I don't know the answer throwing in an answer never hurts. If you are
    going to dedicate a machine to this what do you care which release you use?

    >>> I have a WinPVR-250 Hauppauge card analog.

    >> From scanning the docs it appears to hate Hauppauge anything.

    >
    > I have found that ivtv has changed their driver for the card and I will need
    > to revert to a old kernel to get it to work with myth.
    >
    >> killing commercials and such.

    >
    > Bingo


    And a wiki on the subject.

    http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

    --
    Any nuke dropped on Israel risks the holy city of Jerusalem and 5 million
    Muslims. Those are Israel's hostages to nuclear attack.
    -- The Iron Webmaster, 4036
    http://www.giwersworld.org/holo3/holo-survivors.phtml a3

  11. Re: Mythtv

    Matt Giwer wrote:

    > Baho Utot wrote:
    >> Matt Giwer wrote:
    >>
    >>> Baho Utot wrote:
    >>>> I am trying to get mythtv setup working.
    >>> I just got into this last night which gauges the depth of my knowledge
    >>> of the subject.
    >>>
    >>>> Using Arch linux as the OS.
    >>> yum -y install mythtv
    >>>
    >>> worked flawlessly

    >>
    >> Ahem not on Arch linux, there is no yum

    >
    > If I don't know the answer throwing in an answer never hurts. If you are
    > going to dedicate a machine to this what do you care which release you
    > use?


    I use Arch because of the way the system is put together, some what like
    gentoo. I don't care for yum/rpm too much trouble installing custom apps
    for me. Fedora is too buggy form me. Arch lets me customize and optimze
    my installation.


  12. Re: Mythtv

    Baho Utot wrote:
    > Matt Giwer wrote:
    >> Baho Utot wrote:
    >>> Matt Giwer wrote:
    >>>> Baho Utot wrote:
    >>>>> I am trying to get mythtv setup working.
    >>>> I just got into this last night which gauges the depth of my knowledge
    >>>> of the subject.
    >>>>> Using Arch linux as the OS.
    >>>> yum -y install mythtv
    >>>> worked flawlessly
    >>> Ahem not on Arch linux, there is no yum

    >> If I don't know the answer throwing in an answer never hurts. If you are
    >> going to dedicate a machine to this what do you care which release you
    >> use?


    > I use Arch because of the way the system is put together, some what like
    > gentoo. I don't care for yum/rpm too much trouble installing custom apps
    > for me. Fedora is too buggy form me. Arch lets me customize and optimze
    > my installation.


    Not to sound like I am arguing but again, if dedicated to this job all the
    rest of the reasons go away. And my answer was this custom app installed
    itself effortlessly. Given the nature of the application with the projects
    starting in half hour blocks that is a lot of optimization to notice a
    difference.

    Anyway, may be both have good fortune. I have to finish building my new
    machine before I start migrating the present machine to the project.

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