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  1. Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    Ubuntu Linux's Achilles' Heel: It's Tough To Install On Laptops

    Here:
    http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=201000451


    The wildly popular Linux distro isn't all it's cracked up to be,
    especially if you try to install it on a laptop, our reviewer finds.
    Come along on his Ubuntu safari, as he hacks his way through bug-
    fraught installation attempts.

    Comments solicited at the bottom of the article.


  2. Re: Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:47:46 -0700
    awolfe@nyc.rr.com wrote:

    > Ubuntu Linux's Achilles' Heel: It's Tough To Install On Laptops
    >
    > Here:
    > http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=201000451
    >
    >
    > The wildly popular Linux distro isn't all it's cracked up to be,
    > especially if you try to install it on a laptop, our reviewer finds.
    > Come along on his Ubuntu safari, as he hacks his way through bug-
    > fraught installation attempts.
    >
    > Comments solicited at the bottom of the article.


    Yeah... That sort of thing happens when you try and install XP on
    anything new also.

    From the looks of the screen shots most of the problems would be video
    related. There is a text mode for install, I've not used it, but I
    imagine it's a lot of debian's.

    --
    The ATM to M2 Networx is making a weird noise because of unscheduled
    testing of the battery backup system. The Sys Admin is pumping a grumpy.
    :: http://www.s5h.net/ :: http://www.s5h.net/gpg

  3. Re: Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    On 2007-07-11, awolfe@nyc.rr.com wrote:

    > Come along on his Ubuntu safari, as he hacks his way through bug-
    > fraught installation attempts.


    No need. Once was enough for me.

    nb

  4. Re: Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    I must have done it wrong. I had no troble at all.


    n Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:47:46 -0700, awolfe wrote:

    > Ubuntu Linux's Achilles' Heel: It's Tough To Install On Laptops
    >
    > Here:
    > http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=201000451
    >
    >
    > The wildly popular Linux distro isn't all it's cracked up to be,
    > especially if you try to install it on a laptop, our reviewer finds.
    > Come along on his Ubuntu safari, as he hacks his way through bug-
    > fraught installation attempts.
    >
    > Comments solicited at the bottom of the article.



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    Schestowitz, unable to address any points in the referenced article,
    falls back on his old standby, the ad hominem.

    Please switch to Windows, Roy, and become a tireless advocate for
    Microsoft. It would be the best thing you could do to promote Linux.

    --
    --Tim Smith

  6. Re: Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:47:46 -0700, awolfe wrote:

    > Ubuntu Linux's Achilles' Heel: It's Tough To Install On Laptops
    >
    > Here:
    > http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=201000451
    >
    >
    > The wildly popular Linux distro isn't all it's cracked up to be,
    > especially if you try to install it on a laptop, our reviewer finds.
    > Come along on his Ubuntu safari, as he hacks his way through bug-
    > fraught installation attempts.
    >
    > Comments solicited at the bottom of the article.


    Bet this guys has never ever done an installation of Windows on a laptop
    or a desktop before!

  7. Re: Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:27:01 -0600, ray wrote:

    > I must have done it wrong. I had no troble at all.


    You must have followed the simple logical instructions on the screen.

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    wrote in message
    news:1184197666.675939.51200@k79g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
    > Ubuntu Linux's Achilles' Heel: It's Tough To Install On Laptops
    >
    > Here:
    > http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=201000451
    >
    >
    > The wildly popular Linux distro isn't all it's cracked up to be,
    > especially if you try to install it on a laptop, our reviewer finds.
    > Come along on his Ubuntu safari, as he hacks his way through bug-
    > fraught installation attempts.
    >
    > Comments solicited at the bottom of the article.
    >


    Quote: "Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth is, like Bill Gates, both an
    entrepreneur and a philanthropist.".

    Except Bill Gates wants to charge you about 100 for the privilege to use an
    unsecure OS.

    As a newbie to linux (Started in Jan 2007) I installed Ubuntu 7.04 beta one
    evening out of shear boredom on my ACER 2428 Laptop, installation was a
    breeze and I had a dual WinXP/Ubuntu system within the hour. Now I did
    install with my laptop plugged into my broadband router and only when I
    tried connecting to the internet via wifi did I encounter some problems, but
    that was resolvd by posting a thread to ubuntuforums.org and I had an answer
    virtually right away.

    Now I must admit that ubuntu falls down a bit in the graphics department,
    but I installed ubuntu as a more secure way of accessing the internet while
    away working and connecting to other peoples broadband router and it hasn't
    failed me yet. No need for virus, malware, anti-spyware, spyguard,
    dela-warew ) checker like I have on the Win XP system.

    I just hate the fact you have to pay for a OS (WinXP, VISTA, whatever) the
    have to replace the firewall cos the built-in one has holes, then have to
    pay for add-ons to protect you agains malware, spyware etc.. Why not just
    give us a secure system in the first place? Ubuntu was free, secure, safe,
    easy to install and has loads of ope-source (free) software which will
    virtually do anything the Windows sw can. Only thing I really use my WinXP
    system for these days is Syncing and updating my Nokia N73 phone.

    Ubuntu isn't for dummies, that's what Windows is for.

    --
    Gerry (The MOTH)



  9. Re: Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    awolfe@nyc.rr.com writes:

    > Ubuntu Linux's Achilles' Heel: It's Tough To Install On Laptops
    >
    > Here:
    > http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=201000451
    >
    >
    > The wildly popular Linux distro isn't all it's cracked up to be,
    > especially if you try to install it on a laptop, our reviewer finds.
    > Come along on his Ubuntu safari, as he hacks his way through bug-
    > fraught installation attempts.
    >
    > Comments solicited at the bottom of the article.
    >


    I can only say it installed first time with almost no difficulties on my
    Thinkpad. Wireless didn't work properly (hardly ever does) and power
    management suspend/hibernate just freezes it needing a hard reset.

    Works beautifully now and is a real box of tricks.

  10. Re: Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    "Gerry \(The MOTH\)" writes:

    > wrote in message
    > news:1184197666.675939.51200@k79g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
    >> Ubuntu Linux's Achilles' Heel: It's Tough To Install On Laptops
    >>
    >> Here:
    >> http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=201000451
    >>
    >>
    >> The wildly popular Linux distro isn't all it's cracked up to be,
    >> especially if you try to install it on a laptop, our reviewer finds.
    >> Come along on his Ubuntu safari, as he hacks his way through bug-
    >> fraught installation attempts.
    >>
    >> Comments solicited at the bottom of the article.
    >>

    >
    > Quote: "Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth is, like Bill Gates, both an
    > entrepreneur and a philanthropist.".
    >
    > Except Bill Gates wants to charge you about £100 for the privilege to use an
    > unsecure OS.


    And this, makes any further comments you make, highly dubious. Already
    you target the man. So Shuttleworth wants to repackage and give away
    (mostly) other peoples work? Good on him. They don't give away the
    corporate support though.

    > As a newbie to linux (Started in Jan 2007) I installed Ubuntu 7.04 beta one
    > evening out of shear boredom on my ACER 2428 Laptop, installation was a
    > breeze and I had a dual WinXP/Ubuntu system within the hour. Now I did


    The "works for me" comes into play .....

    > install with my laptop plugged into my broadband router and only when I
    > tried connecting to the internet via wifi did I encounter some problems, but
    > that was resolvd by posting a thread to ubuntuforums.org and I had an answer
    > virtually right away.


    Similar to myself in this regard.

    >
    > Now I must admit that ubuntu falls down a bit in the graphics
    > department,


    Hang on, is this a reverse troll? ....

    > but I installed ubuntu as a more secure way of accessing the internet while
    > away working and connecting to other peoples broadband router and it hasn't
    > failed me yet. No need for virus, malware, anti-spyware, spyguard,
    > dela-warew ) checker like I have on the Win XP system.


    Very true. All that RAM just for apps.

    >
    > I just hate the fact you have to pay for a OS (WinXP, VISTA, whatever) the
    > have to replace the firewall cos the built-in one has holes, then have
    > to


    There's nothing wrong with the built in one. It works well for incoming
    probes afaik.

    > pay for add-ons to protect you agains malware, spyware etc.. Why not
    > just


    Do you object to paying for driving a car too? For buying cloths to wear?

    > give us a secure system in the first place? Ubuntu was free, secure, safe,
    > easy to install and has loads of ope-source (free) software which will
    > virtually do anything the Windows sw can. Only thing I really use my WinXP
    > system for these days is Syncing and updating my Nokia N73 phone.


    One good reason why Businesses wont use Ubuntu - the PDA syncing is not
    too good. I think if you use Evolution it might work.

    >
    > Ubuntu isn't for dummies, that's what Windows is for.


    --
    Offer limited to residents of the contiguous United States.

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    ray writes:

    > I must have done it wrong. I had no troble at all.
    >


    On exactly the same HW with exactly the same version?

    And what's with the top posting?

    >
    > n Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:47:46 -0700, awolfe wrote:
    >
    >> Ubuntu Linux's Achilles' Heel: It's Tough To Install On Laptops
    >>
    >> Here:
    >> http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=201000451
    >>
    >>
    >> The wildly popular Linux distro isn't all it's cracked up to be,
    >> especially if you try to install it on a laptop, our reviewer finds.
    >> Come along on his Ubuntu safari, as he hacks his way through bug-
    >> fraught installation attempts.
    >>
    >> Comments solicited at the bottom of the article.

    >


    --
    "There is no such thing as intellectual property" - Marky Kent (in COLA Nov-2006)

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    "Hadron Quark" wrote in message
    news:877ip6ggi1.fsf@gmail.com...
    >> Except Bill Gates wants to charge you about 100 for the privilege to use
    >> an
    >> unsecure OS.

    >
    > And this, makes any further comments you make, highly dubious. Already
    > you target the man. So Shuttleworth wants to repackage and give away
    > (mostly) other peoples work? Good on him. They don't give away the
    > corporate support though.
    >


    I thought the concept of linux was it was open source and available for
    everyone to use, I'm not to clued up on what Mr. Shuttleworth is doing to
    profit from Ubuntu, might need to read a few articles?

    Not really interested in corporate support as I'm just a lonely home user
    who got paranoid when using my WinXP OS that I would get a virus and/or some
    cyberhacker would steal all my CC detail and was also looking for a safer
    way for the kids to surf the net (My daughter managed to infect the home PC
    with 2 viruses and quiet a few malware). That's when i started to read more
    and more about linux and how more secure it was, then ended up taking a
    chance and trying it out. I can't remember why I picked Ubunutu as my
    starter, sure I read about it in some PC mag.

    >> As a newbie to linux (Started in Jan 2007) I installed Ubuntu 7.04 beta
    >> one
    >> evening out of shear boredom on my ACER 2428 Laptop, installation was a
    >> breeze and I had a dual WinXP/Ubuntu system within the hour. Now I did

    >
    > The "works for me" comes into play .....
    >


    Personally I was apprehensive about install Ubuntu to start with and read
    the ubuntu forum for weeks before taking the plunge, also checked around to
    see if anyone else with a similar ACER laptop had installed Ubuntu and what
    problems they may have encountered. A little research goes a long way.

    >>
    >> Now I must admit that ubuntu falls down a bit in the graphics
    >> department,

    >
    > Hang on, is this a reverse troll? ....
    >


    No troll here! I'm get back under my bridge now.
    I have problems with playing some DVD's and media files which result in it
    looking like I've turned the contrast up full. I have to run a command
    everytime it happens to fix it. Think I'll need to spend some time looking
    at this as there's probably a fix for it.

    >> I just hate the fact you have to pay for a OS (WinXP, VISTA, whatever)
    >> the
    >> have to replace the firewall cos the built-in one has holes, then have
    >> to

    >
    > There's nothing wrong with the built in one. It works well for incoming
    > probes afaik.
    >


    What about outgoing? Switched to the free Zone Alarm Firewall a few years
    ago for my firewall protection on top of the built-in routers hardware on.

    >> pay for add-ons to protect you agains malware, spyware etc.. Why not
    >> just

    >
    > Do you object to paying for driving a car too? For buying cloths to wear?
    >


    I don't pay for apps most a get for the WinXp were freeware or shareware and
    buying clothes to wear, ha-ha I've got a wife and 3 kids I don't/can't
    afford to buy myself clothes! )

    >> give us a secure system in the first place? Ubuntu was free, secure,
    >> safe,
    >> easy to install and has loads of ope-source (free) software which will
    >> virtually do anything the Windows sw can. Only thing I really use my
    >> WinXP
    >> system for these days is Syncing and updating my Nokia N73 phone.

    >
    > One good reason why Businesses wont use Ubuntu - the PDA syncing is not
    > too good. I think if you use Evolution it might work.
    >


    I went round in circles trying to get my Nokia N73 to sync in Ubuntu, gave
    up and thought it would be easier to use syncml via ScheduleWorld and
    Evolution.

    --
    Gerry (The MOTH)



  13. Re: Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    In article <874pkaf0xe.fsf@gmail.com>,
    Hadron Quark wrote:
    > --
    > "There is no such thing as intellectual property" - Marky Kent (in COLA
    > Nov-2006)


    I've wondered how long it would be until someone noticed Mark's rich
    source of signature-worthy humorous statements. Do you just have that
    one, or do you have a collection to rotate through?

    I was going to make a collection, but was too lazy to Google to get the
    exact quotes for the several I remembered, so gave up. I've only got
    one. Here it is if you want to add it to your collection:

    "The environmental impact of proprietary software has yet to be
    fully explored, but it's most certainly enormous. Possibly as great
    as that of cars, if you consider the numbers involved."

    --
    --Tim Smith

  14. Re: Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    Tim Smith wrote:

    > Schestowitz, unable to address any points in the referenced article,
    > falls back on his old standby, the ad hominem.
    >
    > Please switch to Windows, Roy, and become a tireless advocate for
    > Microsoft. It would be the best thing you could do to promote Linux.
    >


    Guffaw!!! So sayeth sweaty ballmers butt-crust boi.

  15. Re: Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    Tim Smith wrote:

    > In article <874pkaf0xe.fsf@gmail.com>,
    > Hadron Quark wrote:
    >
    >>--
    >>"There is no such thing as intellectual property" - Marky Kent (in COLA
    >>Nov-2006)

    >
    >
    > I've wondered how long it would be until someone noticed Mark's rich
    > source of signature-worthy humorous statements. Do you just have that
    > one, or do you have a collection to rotate through?
    >
    > I was going to make a collection, but was too lazy to Google to get the
    > exact quotes for the several I remembered, so gave up. I've only got
    > one. Here it is if you want to add it to your collection:
    >
    > "The environmental impact of proprietary software has yet to be
    > fully explored, but it's most certainly enormous. Possibly as great
    > as that of cars, if you consider the numbers involved."
    >


    Where are you and hadron going to shave your legs. The noise is almost
    deafening.

  16. Re: Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    On Jul 11, 6:47 pm, awo...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
    > Ubuntu Linux's Achilles' Heel: It's Tough To Install On Laptops
    >
    > Here:http://www.informationweek.com/news/...rticleID=20100...
    >
    > The wildly popular Linux distro isn't all it's cracked up to be,
    > especially if you try to install it on a laptop, our reviewer finds.
    > Come along on his Ubuntu safari, as he hacks his way through bug-
    > fraught installation attempts.
    >
    > Comments solicited at the bottom of the article.


    Best propaganda that Gates' & Ballmer's money can buy.


  17. Re: Ubuntu Tough To Install, Review Claims

    awolfe@nyc.rr.com wrote:
    > Ubuntu Linux's Achilles' Heel: It's Tough To Install On Laptops
    >
    > Here:
    > http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=201000451
    >
    >
    > The wildly popular Linux distro isn't all it's cracked up to be,
    > especially if you try to install it on a laptop, our reviewer finds.
    > Come along on his Ubuntu safari, as he hacks his way through bug-
    > fraught installation attempts.
    >
    > Comments solicited at the bottom of the article.


    Worked fine on my iBook. Just had to install the broadcom wireless
    chipset packages and everything was working.

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