Re: Beating the dependency hell

John Hasler wrote:[color=blue]
> marijuanated wrote:[color=green]
>> i am connected to the internet through dial up. I have a windows box
>> which has a broadband connection.[/color]
>
> Why does your Linux box not also have broadband, even if only via the
> Microsoft box?
>
> The Natural Philosopher writes:[color=green]
>> download the packages onto the windows box and either burn a CD...[/color]
>
> It would make more sense to download an ISO and then install the desired
> packages with apt.
>[color=green]
>> ...or transfer them to the Linux over the network.[/color]
>
> If he can do that he can just install off the Net with apt.[/color]

Not necessarily. That would imply routing through the Windoze box from
the Linux. Nit always easy or desirable.
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>[color=green]
>> I forget the installation command, but its all in the man pages. dpkg
>> comes to mind.[/color]
>
> 'dpkg -i filename', but he would have to figure out all the dependencies.
> One way to do this would be to run
> 'apt-get --dry-run install <packagename>' on the Linux box and then
> download and install all the packages apt proposes to install.[/color]

The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> writes:
[color=blue]
>John Hasler wrote:[color=green]
>> marijuanated wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> i am connected to the internet through dial up. I have a windows box
>>> which has a broadband connection.[/color]
>>
>> Why does your Linux box not also have broadband, even if only via the
>> Microsoft box?
>>
>> The Natural Philosopher writes:[color=darkred]
>>> download the packages onto the windows box and either burn a CD...[/color]
>>
>> It would make more sense to download an ISO and then install the desired
>> packages with apt.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> ...or transfer them to the Linux over the network.[/color]
>>
>> If he can do that he can just install off the Net with apt.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>Not necessarily. That would imply routing through the Windoze box from
>the Linux. Nit always easy or desirable.[/color]

so why dows he not transfer the broadband to Linux and router the windows
through the linux machine. That is easy and desirable.


[color=blue][color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I forget the installation command, but its all in the man pages. dpkg
>>> comes to mind.[/color]
>>
>> 'dpkg -i filename', but he would have to figure out all the dependencies.
>> One way to do this would be to run
>> 'apt-get --dry-run install <packagename>' on the Linux box and then
>> download and install all the packages apt proposes to install.[/color][/color]

Unruh wrote:[color=blue]
> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> writes:
>[color=green]
>> John Hasler wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> marijuanated wrote:
>>>> i am connected to the internet through dial up. I have a windows box
>>>> which has a broadband connection.
>>> Why does your Linux box not also have broadband, even if only via the
>>> Microsoft box?
>>>
>>> The Natural Philosopher writes:
>>>> download the packages onto the windows box and either burn a CD...
>>> It would make more sense to download an ISO and then install the desired
>>> packages with apt.
>>>
>>>> ...or transfer them to the Linux over the network.
>>> If he can do that he can just install off the Net with apt.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>> Not necessarily. That would imply routing through the Windoze box from
>> the Linux. Nit always easy or desirable.[/color]
>
> so why dows he not transfer the broadband to Linux and router the windows
> through the linux machine. That is easy and desirable.
>[/color]

Posssibly because he is relatively innocent, and can't get his linux up
to a stage where it will accept a DSL driver...and doesn't want to
disturb a working PC setup (they are so rare, they should be encased in
glass and put in a museum anyway)


Its not so easy to bootstrap yourself up from nothing...

I think i have mis-stated my problem. The problem is that I have a
highly unreliable dial up connection as a result of which i cannot use
apt-get. For example , if i had to download xine then apt-get can
resolve dependencies such as libdvdcss,sox,lame etc. However i cant do
this in my windows machine at my workplace. So I would rather want an
interface that will list all the needed packages needed by xine in one
page so that i can download them all with a batch downloader in windows
and copy it to my ubuntu machine so that i can direct the apt-get to
the appropriate directory.

marijuanated writes:[color=blue]
> I think i have mis-stated my problem. The problem is that I have a highly
> unreliable dial up connection as a result of which i cannot use apt-get.[/color]

Is your connection so bad that apt-get never completes a single package?
If not you can just keep trying.
[color=blue]
> For example , if i had to download xine then apt-get can
> resolve dependencies such as libdvdcss,sox,lame etc.[/color]

Run 'apt-get --dry-run install xine'. This will list all the stuff apt-get
would have gotten had you not given it the --dry-run option. These are
what you will need to get.
[color=blue]
> So I would rather want an interface that will list all the needed
> packages needed by xine in one page so that i can download them all with
> a batch downloader in windows and copy it to my ubuntu machine so that i
> can direct the apt-get to the appropriate directory.[/color]

Can't you burn CDs at work?
--
John Hasler
[email]john@dhh.gt.org[/email]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

On 5 Oct 2006 03:36:23 -0700, [email]marijuanated@gmail.com[/email]
<marijuanated@gmail.com> wrote:
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> highly unreliable dial up connection as a result of which i cannot
> use apt-get.[/color]

If the line fails while apt-get is working, apt-get will pick up where
it left off the next time the line is connected. It'll take a while,
but it'll work.

Three good links from Google:

Torrent the DVD images and burn them to disk:
[url]http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en[/url]

Buy the DVDs from a store in Canada:
[url]http://www.thelinuxstore.ca/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1113[/url]

Simple instructions, including a link to an Indonesian site from which
you can get the images:
[url]http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/08/get-ubuntu-repositories-on-dvd.html[/url]

[email]marijuanated@gmail.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> I think i have mis-stated my problem. The problem is that I have a
> highly unreliable dial up connection as a result of which i cannot use
> apt-get. For example , if i had to download xine then apt-get can
> resolve dependencies such as libdvdcss,sox,lame etc. However i cant do
> this in my windows machine at my workplace. So I would rather want an
> interface that will list all the needed packages needed by xine in one
> page so that i can download them all with a batch downloader in windows
> and copy it to my ubuntu machine so that i can direct the apt-get to
> the appropriate directory.
>[/color]
Pretty sure the dependencies - in debian at least - are listed on the
debian web site as part of the package information.

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:57:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote:
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> Pretty sure the dependencies - in debian at least - are listed on
> the debian web site as part of the package information.[/color]

And then you have to check the dependencies for THOSE dependencies, and
then the dependencies for THOSE, and so on. Pretty good if you enjoy
that sort of detective work. :)

I have solved the problem now. I am using a ubuntu vmware image at my
workplace to get the packages.

On 6 Oct 2006 03:53:50 -0700, [email]marijuanated@gmail.com[/email]
<marijuanated@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I have solved the problem now. I am using a ubuntu vmware image at
> my workplace to get the packages.[/color]

That's a nice idea.