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  1. how to control broadcasting from client machines?

    hi everyone,im verymuch concerned about my network traffic in my
    network in which all 80 systems are under one domain.i do not what to
    do when client systems start broadcasting a lot and the entire network
    speed comes down.i do not know which machine is broadcasting. can
    anyone give me tell me how to find the system which is broadcasting and
    how to restrict it?

    by
    satya


  2. Re: how to control broadcasting from client machines?

    "smart" writes:

    >hi everyone,im verymuch concerned about my network traffic in my
    >network in which all 80 systems are under one domain.i do not what to
    >do when client systems start broadcasting a lot and the entire network
    >speed comes down.i do not know which machine is broadcasting. can
    >anyone give me tell me how to find the system which is broadcasting and
    >how to restrict it?


    No idea. Not enough information.

    Look at
    tcpdump
    and try to find the IP of the machine that is doing the broadcasting.

    No idea what you mean by "a lot" since broadcasts are a trivial load in
    general.



    >by
    >satya



  3. Re: how to control broadcasting from client machines?

    smart wrote:
    > hi everyone,im verymuch concerned about my network traffic in my
    > network in which all 80 systems are under one domain.


    ITYM "on one physical subnet", which translates to one *broadcast* domain.

    > i do not what to
    > do when client systems start broadcasting a lot and the entire network
    > speed comes down.i do not know which machine is broadcasting. can
    > anyone give me tell me how to find the system which is broadcasting and
    > how to restrict it?


    Do you mean one or more of "your" machines is sending an abundance of
    broadcast packets and you'd like to find out which ?

    Look at the packets.
    They will tell you which IPs are responsible.
    Use ethereal or the like, filter on broadcasts only.

    J.

  4. Re: how to control broadcasting from client machines?

    hi unruh, i just need to restrict all my clients form broadcasting
    anything in the domain.i have now found the ips broadcasting using
    network moniter, but im not able to restrict those.what can i do for
    that?
    Unruh wrote:
    > "smart" writes:
    >
    > >hi everyone,im verymuch concerned about my network traffic in my
    > >network in which all 80 systems are under one domain.i do not what to
    > >do when client systems start broadcasting a lot and the entire network
    > >speed comes down.i do not know which machine is broadcasting. can
    > >anyone give me tell me how to find the system which is broadcasting and
    > >how to restrict it?

    >
    > No idea. Not enough information.
    >
    > Look at
    > tcpdump
    > and try to find the IP of the machine that is doing the broadcasting.
    >
    > No idea what you mean by "a lot" since broadcasts are a trivial load in
    > general.
    >
    >
    >
    > >by
    > >satya



  5. Re: how to control broadcasting from client machines?

    hi j, lot of machines in the domain are broadcasting.i have now found
    the ips broadcasting using "network moniter", but im not able to
    restrict those.what can i do for
    that?

    Jeroen Geilman wrote:
    > smart wrote:
    > > hi everyone,im verymuch concerned about my network traffic in my
    > > network in which all 80 systems are under one domain.

    >
    > ITYM "on one physical subnet", which translates to one *broadcast* domain.
    >
    > > i do not what to
    > > do when client systems start broadcasting a lot and the entire network
    > > speed comes down.i do not know which machine is broadcasting. can
    > > anyone give me tell me how to find the system which is broadcasting and
    > > how to restrict it?

    >
    > Do you mean one or more of "your" machines is sending an abundance of
    > broadcast packets and you'd like to find out which ?
    >
    > Look at the packets.
    > They will tell you which IPs are responsible.
    > Use ethereal or the like, filter on broadcasts only.
    >
    > J.



  6. Re: how to control broadcasting from client machines?

    smart wrote:
    > hi j, lot of machines in the domain are broadcasting.i have now found
    > the ips broadcasting using "network moniter", but im not able to
    > restrict those.what can i do for that?


    You lose points for using Windows, that's for sure...
    This is, after all, a Linux newsgroup.

    I have to admit I am curious how you intended to "restrict" anything,
    since your inability to do so obviously has nothing to do with the fact
    that it is very possible.

    As Bill already told you, many services *have* to send broadcast traffic.

    If you somehow manage to forbid them to broadcast entirely, your entire
    network will go down very quickly, and permanently.

    Get back to us when you've figured out why.

    Here's a free Hint: do a google for the ARP protocol.


    J.

  7. Re: how to control broadcasting from client machines?

    Jeroen Geilman writes:

    >smart wrote:
    >> hi j, lot of machines in the domain are broadcasting.i have now found
    >> the ips broadcasting using "network moniter", but im not able to
    >> restrict those.what can i do for that?


    You can give us more information. What did "network moniter" tell you? What
    machines are broadcasting ( windows, Linux, commodore Pets, ....) and what
    port are they broadcasting on.

    If those are windows machines, you will not get much help in a linux
    security newsgroup. If they are linux machines, we need to know how often
    they are broadcasting and what it is they are broadcasting.

    Doing so 100 times a second on a single machine is not right. Doing so 1
    time per 100 sec is standard.



  8. Re: how to control broadcasting from client machines?

    Jeroen Geilman (06-10-16 23:03:12):

    > Here's a free Hint: do a google for the ARP protocol.


    ARP won't do a lot about broadcasts, because it's simply not used there.
    However, the OP is in the wrong group anyway. We don't treat
    Windowtitis.

    I don't know of any other operating system, which has the need to
    broadcast the same information periodically, loading the network with
    garbage. Only Windows is such a dumb p.o.s., such that it should become
    forbidden world-wide -- at least for security reasons. I'm sick of
    worms and bot-nets.


    Regards,
    E.S.

  9. Re: how to control broadcasting from client machines?


    Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote:

    > I don't know of any other operating system, which has the need to
    > broadcast the same information periodically, loading the network with
    > garbage. Only Windows is such a dumb p.o.s., such that it should become
    > forbidden world-wide -- at least for security reasons. I'm sick of
    > worms and bot-nets.


    Well, it's not an OS problem. It's a price/penalty/performance problem.
    Some smartass over in the Windows decided they could make things
    "accessible" by broadcasting blindly, got something they wanted out of
    it, and didn't have to pay the cost. It's kind of like spam that way:
    as long as the bandwidth is there, people will use it pretty blindly
    and then whine when it gets cut off because of some "feature" they
    want.

    The damage can usually be restricted by setting up networks on
    different subnets, with a network switch capable of doing it
    gracefully. Putting the broadcast related services, such as certain
    types of video servers, on their own subnet is particularly helpful.


  10. Re: how to control broadcasting from client machines?

    "Nico" (06-10-18 13:05:34):

    > > I don't know of any other operating system, which has the need to
    > > broadcast the same information periodically, loading the network
    > > with garbage. Only Windows is such a dumb p.o.s., such that it
    > > should become forbidden world-wide -- at least for security reasons.
    > > I'm sick of worms and bot-nets.

    >
    > Well, it's not an OS problem. It's a price/penalty/performance
    > problem. Some smartass over in the Windows decided they could make
    > things "accessible" by broadcasting blindly, got something they wanted
    > out of it, and didn't have to pay the cost. It's kind of like spam
    > that way: as long as the bandwidth is there, people will use it
    > pretty blindly and then whine when it gets cut off because of some
    > "feature" they want.


    The idea behind that 'feature' isn't necessarily bad, but the actual
    concept, and especially the implementation is. It's both a security and
    performance hazard.


    > The damage can usually be restricted by setting up networks on
    > different subnets, with a network switch capable of doing it
    > gracefully. Putting the broadcast related services, such as certain
    > types of video servers, on their own subnet is particularly helpful.


    Yes, that's a workaround, but not a real solution. I'd rather totally
    disable anything NetBIOS-related and other things in Windows, and use
    free packages for those purposes instead.


    Regards,
    E.S.

  11. Re: how to control broadcasting from client machines?

    Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote:

    > Yes, that's a workaround, but not a real solution. I'd rather totally
    > disable anything NetBIOS-related and other things in Windows, and use
    > free packages for those purposes instead.

    While I hate Windows as much as most Linux people it is pretty hard for
    company IT people to just toss NetBIOS as Microsoft has embedded it so
    deeply into Windows and Linux boxes pretty much have to play along with
    Samba.

    The suggestion to put Windows stuff (and other broadcast centric
    applications) on a separate subnet and use a switch (or a Linux router
    and iptables) to keep broadcast traffic out of the rest of the network
    seems like a very good solution (that is if one can't just deep six
    Windows).

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