Is 9300 the new psion? - Scion

This is a discussion on Is 9300 the new psion? - Scion ; "Martin Törnsten" wrote in message news:5cpc61lqo2h5n918pph520qqq1dmiag5t3@4ax.com... > Captain's log. On StarDate Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:17:45 +0100 received comm > from > "Duncan J Murray" > > on > channel comp.sys.psion.misc: > > : I would say the most useful ...

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  1. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?


    "Martin Törnsten" wrote in message
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    > Captain's log. On StarDate Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:17:45 +0100 received comm
    > from
    > "Duncan J Murray"
    >
    > on
    > channel comp.sys.psion.misc:
    >
    > : I would say the most useful psion, in terms of pure organising power, is
    > the
    > : series 3. If they re-released a series 3, I think I would get one.
    > I've
    > : seriously considered repairing my series 3a, except that it is
    > completely
    > : incompatible with my laptop. Nothing compares to the series 3 for a
    > : replacement for a pocket diary, in that you can hold it while typing,
    > : doesn't require ridiculous shortcuts to do things, and it's got a clear
    > : screen (clearer than the 5 series), and of course, the most excellent
    > agenda
    > : program.
    >
    > The Series 3a is the absolutely best Psion product I have ever owned (I
    > liked my
    > Series 3 as well, but a little bit too low screen resolution).
    >
    > That was IMHO the absolute peak of the Psion organizer history and
    > development.
    >
    > (After that it all turned around and started to go downhill...)
    >
    > martin törnsten


    I agree - a great machine! If only my laptop had a serial port! (and I
    bought another psion, of course).
    Duncan.



  2. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?


    "Duncan J Murray"

    schreef in bericht news:d41cou$8bv$1@news.ox.ac.uk...
    >
    > "Dixit" wrote in message
    > news:QkS8e.68072$hh3.4703360@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
    > >
    > > "Duncan J Murray"
    > >
    > > schreef in bericht news:d3pkhm$jov$1@news.ox.ac.uk...
    > >> Hello all,
    > >>
    > >> Nice to see the psion community is still going... I remember in the

    good
    > >> old days the 3a-5mx dynastys when this was really thriving!
    > >>
    > >> What do people think of the new 9300 from Nokia as being a good

    > > replacement
    > >> for the Psion?
    > >>
    > >> Also, has anyone noticed the really high second-hand price of series 3
    > >> machines?! I thought I would (after a 1/2 year stint without a psion)

    > > look
    > >> for a really cheap 3 series on ebay - Ridiculous! Spending £50 on an
    > >> organiser that can barely communicate with a new laptop, only for the

    > > screen
    > >> to go in 2 years?! Maybe I'm missing something...
    > >>
    > >> Duncan.

    > >
    > > Its problems compared to the 5mx:
    > >
    > > - Really, really, really tiny keyboard (even more annoying than that of
    > > the
    > > Revo or the 3a). It has a nice e-mail client and a complete Office

    suite,
    > > but it is not of much use with this keyboard...

    >
    > This is a major drawback if it is true (I trust you're not talking about a
    > display model, but an actual real unit). I found the 3a keyboard

    excellent
    > for thumb-typing, which, for a diary, is the main way I tended to use it.
    > The revo's was not great, but I think actually, still better than the 5mx,
    > if only because it could be held in the hand and typed on at the same

    time.

    I played with both the dummy and the real thing and their keyboards are
    identical IMHO. If you only played with the dummy that should already give
    you a good indication. Not only are the keys small, I confirm that their
    travel is negligible. The 9210i was easier, because its keys were separated,
    just like on the 3a.

    > > - Not a lot of freeware (and judging from the experience with the 9210

    and
    > > the 9210i this will not improve), compared to the EPOC OS. I am a

    chemical
    > > engineer and I use ChemTools ( a database of the periodic system) and
    > > QCite
    > > (a literature citation program). No such things on the smartphone toys

    of
    > > nowadays. :-(

    >
    > Yes, but that may still come... The release of the 9300 alongside the

    9500
    > is bound to make these phones more widespread in its use (though I doubt

    as
    > much as psions, but I may be proven wrong).


    That's the weird part about it. The Communicators were already widespread
    and the Symbian phones in total are much more widespread than all Psions
    together have ever been.
    Still... there are some tools and utilities, but the community of engineers
    (or other specialists like MD's, theologists, historians, astronomes.. you
    name it) has never seemed to have any interest in those devices. There are
    no special tools like Chemtools, Qcite, Solun, Converter, et cetera...
    The Symbian phones still remain in the "toys for the boys" stadium and while
    I like toys (like the netBook) I still need some reasonable excuses to
    actually buy them. :-)

    > > The 3's had many engineering tools as well.
    > >
    > > Its problem compared to the 9500:
    > >
    > > - A real cool (and even slightly useful) function is the 9500's built-in
    > > WiFi. You can check your mail in nearly every neighbourhood for free,
    > > because there always is a WiFi emitter emitting its Internet freely
    > > (either
    > > on purpose or because the user does not know how to switch on his

    security
    > > features). This makes the 9500 very useful. I also do it regularly with

    my
    > > netBook.

    >
    > Round where I am, people don't know what wifi is. (the u.k.).


    You're sure about that ? Have you ever scanned with a mobile device in your
    neighbourhood ? I had success with my Psion in small cities in France, The
    Netherlands and Belgium and I wouldn't know why the UK would be different.

    > > However, since there must be a difference between the 9500 and the 9300,
    > > Nokia decided to not include a WiFi receiver in the 9300 (and a camera
    > > neither, but I could live without that).

    >
    > Yes, but the 9500 is significantly bulkier than the 9300. I think I could
    > live without a camera, too.
    >
    > >
    > > If I were to buy a Nokia Communicator it would be the 9500, but for the
    > > moment I am happy with my netBook (and a spare 7book in the drawer).

    That
    > > is
    > > and will still be a serious working tool.

    >
    > Netbooks seem excellent, do they have the same problem regarding the

    screen
    > cable as all the others though?
    > Duncan.


    They are industrial devices and they are/seem to be sturdier than all other
    Psions. Mine is from July 2003 and is still working. My 5mx worked 1,5 years
    between the repairs, so now is the time of truth for the netBook. :-)
    I like the idea that the netBook was specially designed for industrial
    sturdyness.

    According to reports on the fora the screen cable will not completely go
    belly-up, but with some netBooks the plugs comes slightly loose and you will
    loose the calibration of the touch screen. The screen itself will continue
    to work. A firm press on the keyboard (where this plug is) fixes the problem
    temporarily whereas a handy person can open the netBook and fix the plug
    "permanently".

    I bought mine from www.pulster.de . Excellent service, I had 2 years of
    guaranty, so I should be safe until July this year anyway.

    However, I do notice from your message that you prefer portability. A
    netBook has the size of a big model of Filofax - it is even clad with
    leather like a Filofax, so you can't stuff it in your shirt pocket. I
    transport mine in my rucksack or briefcase and I can live without the
    netBook on the occassions when I do not carry my rucksack.
    This is my problem with the 9500 also. If I have the netBook and the 6210 I
    can leave the netBook at home and still have the phone in occasions where
    you cannot arrive, completely loaded with gadgets. With the 9500, if I leave
    the PDA at home, I will not have a phone. Therefore, the 9300 has the
    advantage, as it is the size of the 6210.








  3. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

    Martin Törnsten wrote:
    > The Series 3a is the absolutely best Psion product I have ever owned
    >
    > That was IMHO the absolute peak of the Psion organizer history and
    > development.
    >
    > (After that it all turned around and started to go downhill...)


    So why wasn't the 3mx (which I use, having missed out the 3c) an advance?

    Mike.
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  4. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

    "Mike Coon" wrote in message
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    > Martin Törnsten wrote:
    >> The Series 3a is the absolutely best Psion product I have ever owned
    >>
    >> That was IMHO the absolute peak of the Psion organizer history and
    >> development.
    >>
    >> (After that it all turned around and started to go downhill...)

    >
    > So why wasn't the 3mx (which I use, having missed out the 3c) an advance?


    You might be right, as I have never used a 3mx - but the 3a really was
    excellent. The screen was extremely clear, for one thing (mainly because it
    didn't have a backlight). If I were to have a psion now, I think I would
    prefer a 3mx due to the infra red port and my laptop having no serial. Have
    you used 3a?

    Duncan,



  5. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

    >> This is a major drawback if it is true (I trust you're not talking about
    >> a
    >> display model, but an actual real unit). I found the 3a keyboard

    > excellent
    >> for thumb-typing, which, for a diary, is the main way I tended to use it.
    >> The revo's was not great, but I think actually, still better than the
    >> 5mx,
    >> if only because it could be held in the hand and typed on at the same

    > time.
    >
    > I played with both the dummy and the real thing and their keyboards are
    > identical IMHO. If you only played with the dummy that should already give
    > you a good indication. Not only are the keys small, I confirm that their
    > travel is negligible. The 9210i was easier, because its keys were
    > separated,
    > just like on the 3a.


    Hmmm... that does make it a bit useless - but I suppose one needs to play
    around with it to see if it suits them or not...

    >
    >> > - Not a lot of freeware (and judging from the experience with the 9210

    > and
    >> > the 9210i this will not improve), compared to the EPOC OS. I am a

    > chemical
    >> > engineer and I use ChemTools ( a database of the periodic system) and
    >> > QCite
    >> > (a literature citation program). No such things on the smartphone toys

    > of
    >> > nowadays. :-(

    >>
    >> Yes, but that may still come... The release of the 9300 alongside the

    > 9500
    >> is bound to make these phones more widespread in its use (though I doubt

    > as
    >> much as psions, but I may be proven wrong).

    >
    > That's the weird part about it. The Communicators were already widespread
    > and the Symbian phones in total are much more widespread than all Psions
    > together have ever been.
    > Still... there are some tools and utilities, but the community of
    > engineers
    > (or other specialists like MD's, theologists, historians, astronomes.. you
    > name it) has never seemed to have any interest in those devices. There are
    > no special tools like Chemtools, Qcite, Solun, Converter, et cetera...
    > The Symbian phones still remain in the "toys for the boys" stadium and
    > while
    > I like toys (like the netBook) I still need some reasonable excuses to
    > actually buy them. :-)


    Yes - agreed - but engineers are the worst for buying 'boys toys' - give it
    a bit of time and there'll be all of this stuff available again! I'm
    sure... (anyway, the psion 3a was the ultimate boys toy at the time).

    >
    >> > The 3's had many engineering tools as well.
    >> >
    >> > Its problem compared to the 9500:
    >> >
    >> > - A real cool (and even slightly useful) function is the 9500's
    >> > built-in
    >> > WiFi. You can check your mail in nearly every neighbourhood for free,
    >> > because there always is a WiFi emitter emitting its Internet freely
    >> > (either
    >> > on purpose or because the user does not know how to switch on his

    > security
    >> > features). This makes the 9500 very useful. I also do it regularly with

    > my
    >> > netBook.

    >>
    >> Round where I am, people don't know what wifi is. (the u.k.).

    >
    > You're sure about that ? Have you ever scanned with a mobile device in
    > your
    > neighbourhood ? I had success with my Psion in small cities in France, The
    > Netherlands and Belgium and I wouldn't know why the UK would be different.


    My laptop has it, and the places I've tried it I've always found a network
    or two - just know one knows about it, or how to log onto it?! Are there
    any set ways of automatically logging in? It always comes up with requiring
    something or other that I don't have...

    >> > However, since there must be a difference between the 9500 and the
    >> > 9300,
    >> > Nokia decided to not include a WiFi receiver in the 9300 (and a camera
    >> > neither, but I could live without that).

    >>
    >> Yes, but the 9500 is significantly bulkier than the 9300. I think I
    >> could
    >> live without a camera, too.
    >>
    >> >
    >> > If I were to buy a Nokia Communicator it would be the 9500, but for the
    >> > moment I am happy with my netBook (and a spare 7book in the drawer).

    > That
    >> > is
    >> > and will still be a serious working tool.

    >>
    >> Netbooks seem excellent, do they have the same problem regarding the

    > screen
    >> cable as all the others though?
    >> Duncan.

    >
    > They are industrial devices and they are/seem to be sturdier than all
    > other
    > Psions. Mine is from July 2003 and is still working. My 5mx worked 1,5
    > years
    > between the repairs, so now is the time of truth for the netBook. :-)
    > I like the idea that the netBook was specially designed for industrial
    > sturdyness.


    1.5 years must be average for the 5mx - cross fingers for the netbook.

    >
    > According to reports on the fora the screen cable will not completely go
    > belly-up, but with some netBooks the plugs comes slightly loose and you
    > will
    > loose the calibration of the touch screen. The screen itself will continue
    > to work. A firm press on the keyboard (where this plug is) fixes the
    > problem
    > temporarily whereas a handy person can open the netBook and fix the plug
    > "permanently".
    >
    > I bought mine from www.pulster.de . Excellent service, I had 2 years of
    > guaranty, so I should be safe until July this year anyway.
    >
    > However, I do notice from your message that you prefer portability. A
    > netBook has the size of a big model of Filofax - it is even clad with
    > leather like a Filofax, so you can't stuff it in your shirt pocket. I
    > transport mine in my rucksack or briefcase and I can live without the
    > netBook on the occassions when I do not carry my rucksack.
    > This is my problem with the 9500 also. If I have the netBook and the 6210
    > I
    > can leave the netBook at home and still have the phone in occasions where
    > you cannot arrive, completely loaded with gadgets. With the 9500, if I
    > leave
    > the PDA at home, I will not have a phone. Therefore, the 9300 has the
    > advantage, as it is the size of the 6210.


    The netbook is too big for me. In fact, the 9500 is also pretty big, too.

    I have a £50 sim-free nokia 1100, which is an excellent straight forward
    slim phone - I wouldn't have thought changing the sim would be such a hassle
    if ever you need to go somewhere where your 9300 is either going to get
    stolen, broken, or look too big.

    Duncan.



  6. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?


    The 3c for mee too.

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  7. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?


    "Duncan J Murray"

    > wrote in message news:d48ksp$6s$1@news.ox.ac.uk...
    | "Mike Coon" wrote in message
    | news:d46f02$32v$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
    | > Martin Törnsten wrote:
    | >> The Series 3a is the absolutely best Psion product I have ever
    owned
    | >>
    | >> That was IMHO the absolute peak of the Psion organizer history and
    | >> development.
    | >>
    | >> (After that it all turned around and started to go downhill...)
    | >
    | > So why wasn't the 3mx (which I use, having missed out the 3c) an
    advance?
    |
    | You might be right, as I have never used a 3mx - but the 3a really
    was
    | excellent. The screen was extremely clear, for one thing (mainly
    because it
    | didn't have a backlight). If I were to have a psion now, I think I
    would
    | prefer a 3mx due to the infra red port and my laptop having no
    serial. Have
    | you used 3a?
    |
    | Duncan,
    |
    |

    I had all and definitely preferred the 3mx over the 3c and 3a. I missed
    out on getting a 5 but did get the 5mx when it was released. It seemed
    a huge leap forward but at the expense of battery life. Worst thing-
    probably those rubberised peeling cases- horrible things.



  8. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

    alan smith wrote:

    > I had all and definitely preferred the 3mx over the 3c and 3a. I missed
    > out on getting a 5 but did get the 5mx when it was released. It seemed
    > a huge leap forward but at the expense of battery life. Worst thing-
    > probably those rubberised peeling cases- horrible things.


    Only on Serie 5.

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  9. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?


    "AM Christophe" wrote in message
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    | alan smith wrote:
    |
    | > I had all and definitely preferred the 3mx over the 3c and 3a. I
    missed
    | > out on getting a 5 but did get the 5mx when it was released. It
    seemed
    | > a huge leap forward but at the expense of battery life. Worst
    thing-
    | > probably those rubberised peeling cases- horrible things.
    |
    | Only on Serie 5.
    |
    | --
    |

    Which is why I missed that one out!



  10. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

    alan smith wrote:

    > "AM Christophe" wrote in message
    > news:X9T9e.48402$Of5.31503@nntpserver.swip.net...
    > | alan smith wrote:
    > |
    > | > I had all and definitely preferred the 3mx over the 3c and 3a. I
    > missed
    > | > out on getting a 5 but did get the 5mx when it was released. It
    > seemed
    > | > a huge leap forward but at the expense of battery life. Worst
    > thing-
    > | > probably those rubberised peeling cases- horrible things.
    > |
    > | Only on Serie 5.
    >
    > Which is why I missed that one out!


    Was slow, heavy, bigger than a 3c, with higher battery consumption and with
    recurrent case and ROM issue. Skipped it too... before I had to work with
    one of the last version with the last ROM (just before the 5mx).

    Definitely not a good switch for most Psion 3c end users.

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  11. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?


    >
    > I had all and definitely preferred the 3mx over the 3c and 3a. I missed
    > out on getting a 5 but did get the 5mx when it was released. It seemed
    > a huge leap forward but at the expense of battery life. Worst thing-
    > probably those rubberised peeling cases- horrible things.


    May I ask why you preferred the 3mx? Speed?

    Duncan.



  12. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?


    "Duncan J Murray"

    > wrote in message news:d4d7r9$cim$1@news.ox.ac.uk...
    |
    | >
    | > I had all and definitely preferred the 3mx over the 3c and 3a. I
    missed
    | > out on getting a 5 but did get the 5mx when it was released. It
    seemed
    | > a huge leap forward but at the expense of battery life. Worst
    thing-
    | > probably those rubberised peeling cases- horrible things.
    |
    | May I ask why you preferred the 3mx? Speed?
    |
    | Duncan.
    |
    |

    It was a lot more responsive in use.



  13. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

    alan smith wrote:

    >
    > "Duncan J Murray"
    >
    >> wrote in message news:d4d7r9$cim$1@news.ox.ac.uk...

    > |
    > | >
    > | > I had all and definitely preferred the 3mx over the 3c and 3a. I
    > missed
    > | > out on getting a 5 but did get the 5mx when it was released. It
    > seemed
    > | > a huge leap forward but at the expense of battery life. Worst
    > thing-
    > | > probably those rubberised peeling cases- horrible things.
    > |
    > | May I ask why you preferred the 3mx? Speed?
    > |
    > | Duncan.
    > |
    > |
    >
    > It was a lot more responsive in use.

    The 3c case could become sticky too. But it was a bit less buggy (irda, opl
    editor).

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  14. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

    AM Christophe wrote:
    > The 3c case could become sticky too. But it was a bit less buggy
    > (irda, opl editor).


    I thought that the OPL editor didn't have much in the way of bugs; after all
    it didn't have to be different from the 3a's. Maybe the FIND bug was cured?

    Mike.
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  15. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

    Mike Coon wrote:

    > AM Christophe wrote:
    >> The 3c case could become sticky too. But it was a bit less buggy
    >> (irda, opl editor).

    >
    > I thought that the OPL editor didn't have much in the way of bugs; after
    > all it didn't have to be different from the 3a's. Maybe the FIND bug was
    > cured?
    >
    > Mike.


    A few bugs in the OPL editor but nothing that can crash the application.
    Display issue and preference saving.

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  16. Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

    AM Christophe wrote:

    > Most command can be done with keyboard on Psion Epoc device. Only tasks
    > switching (without closing the running application) needs the touchscreen.
    > Toolbar icones selection also need the touchscreen but all commands are
    > into the menu with keyboard shortcut.


    There is a package called PSILOC that does localization to some languages
    but also does many useful enchancments. One of this is the task switching
    with Ctrl+Space or whatever you want and ability to define your own shortcuts
    mapping different system actions or applications startup.

    Regards,
    pete (one Revo+ that died, one Mako that is my current psion machine,
    one MC 218 - this is the Ericsson clon of mx5 that in fact is not offering
    much more than Mako/Revo and is not so handy first of all , and I'm just
    about to buy used series 7)



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