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  1. VPN Endpoint Router Question Redux (longish)

    Hi All,

    To expand on my previous question re: VPN endpoint routers, I'd like
    to offer a bit more information.

    I have 2 wired networks I want to connect. The connections must be
    secure, and have to meet HIPAA standards as a minimum.

    Let's call one network WORK, and the other HOME.

    Both networks are working exactly as I want them to on separate,
    individual basis, other than the fact that I will soon be required to
    be able to access, query, and interact with certain websites from
    WORK. The HOME network works exactly as I want, and is currently
    connected with a broadband wireless internet connection. That
    connection can be changed to DSL if having both systems on the same
    type of connection would be helpful.

    Due to geography, WORK will require a DSL internet connection.
    Presently, WORK does not have an internet connection, but one will be
    required shortly.

    I have 2 employees at WORK that will be required to interact with 2 or
    3 rather large websites (domains), BUT I wish to limit ALL other
    internet activity on their machines. Both have been known to take
    part in P2P neworks, downloading questionable files, and generally
    wasting employer time with web surfing. They have both previsouly
    lost jobs due to their downloading practices, crashing previous
    employers machines with downloaded virii as well as at least one
    proven instance of ID theft (not by the employee, but by downloading a
    logger). I still haven't decided if I will even allow these 2
    employees e-mail rights, and if I do, it will be behind a strong
    antiviral and antispam head-end. 2 other employees at WORK will need
    full internet access as well as e-mail rights. They are very computer
    literate and savvy, and I'm not worried about them actively
    downloading virii, etc., although their machines will be equipped with
    incoming/outgoing virial filters as well as e-mail scanning. There
    are also several printes on the WORK network, in most cases connected
    via printer servers. Due to certain program requirements, the
    computers at WORK are running either W2K or WinME.

    What I want for the HOME situation is to be able to work after hours
    from home as though I were physically present at the worksite (making
    the HOME network simply appear as an extension of the WORK network).
    My wife also consults in the business, and would need the same rights
    from her machine. The HOME network is presently covered by a NAT
    firewall/router, zonealarm on both machines, and one machine is
    covered by Norton, the other by Panda. Spybot also runs in the
    background of both machines. There are a couple of other computers at
    home that wouldn't require connection to WORK, and the printers at
    home are a mix of local and networked (print server) printers.

    I think my best solution would be 2 similar VPN endpoint routers.
    From the literature I have been able to download, it appears that
    SonicWall may be my best bet, but I'd certainly prefer something in
    the Netgear/Linksys price range.

    If an older freestanding computer (600 mhz range) could perform all
    these functions under some specific software, that could also be a
    consideration, but I am unfamiliar enough with the software to know
    exactly what to be looking for. Extra, older computers we've got.

    It seems like the VPN endpoint routers would be the cleanest and most
    reliable route to go, but realize that I do have to perform some major
    restrictions on a couple of the WORK machines to keep the networks
    secure.

    For those that have waded through this missive, THANK YOU!

    Any help or suggestions are highly appreciated. If possible, I would
    appreciate brand/model numbers (and if in the case of routers like
    SonicWall I'd appreciate knowing model# and which modules would be
    most appropriate). While I do a fair job on local networks, this is
    my first attempt at combining remote networks requiring high security,
    and we're located truly in the boonies, with the nearest IT tech
    "specialist" approximately 140 miles away. Few have shown interest in
    coming out at any price, and the few that will come want a moderate
    fortune just to come out and do a survey and estimate.

    Also, full disclosure router logs would be a plus, although not an
    absolute necessity. BTW, I was thinking 8-port routers at each end,
    to allow for the print servers as well as future expansion.

    TIA

    Bob Clark

  2. Re: VPN Endpoint Router Question Redux (longish)

    You want an advanced security configuration and you'll need to be well
    versed in this stuff to pull it off. I imagine a novice having a very
    difficult time setting this up. I'd use a couple of bsd routers and
    cisco 2950 switches. You're looking at VLANs and DMZs to pull this off
    properly. The trick is making your firewall the central component of the
    network.

  3. Re: VPN Endpoint Router Question Redux (longish)

    Bob, I don't know anything about what Dom said, I'm sorry. Umm, the
    Sonicwall should be able to do what you are needing, but the cost is an
    issue. I don't like how they cost, but they work sawesome and have in my
    opinion all the security and dual networks abilities that I can imagine, but
    also I'm not even close to being a network admin or expert. I'm not even
    like an intermediate network guy, but I do know some stuff here and there.

    I would suggest if possible stay away from the low end devices such as
    Linksys, Belkin, Netgear, Dlink, anyone found in a local Comp Usa, Best Buy
    type store will not be able to do what you're needing. I would be surprised
    if any type of local store like those had anything to do this stuff. at
    least none of the ones here do. Also I have found every single report I've
    read online about Dlink, Netgear and Linksys have not been good about the
    home stuff. Well, some have, but rare that I've seen it.

    I do know some stuff about the Sonicwall that is for sure. I think it will
    have all the securty features you need. Built in gateway virus protection,
    you can tell the virus protection what to scan for, HTTP, pop3, smtp, ftp,
    etc or even you can tell it to scan tcp/ip which basically says to scan
    every packed yet it does scan everything so you'll notice it, plus you can
    enable it on whatever zone you want, lan, wan etc, Spam protection is also
    built in, Ani Spyware protection is built in, IPS will block all the bad
    stuff and built in are all the p2p networking apps. All you do is enable IPS
    on whatever zone you want to have it on such as WAN, zone 1, zone 2 type
    stuff. No more p2p. I've used IPS and blocking p2p on the wan port and p2p
    was totally blocked. You can enable and disable all of the security features
    per user too. For 8 ports you'd want to add a switch then to the Sonicwall
    since you'd probably look at one of the lower end sonicwall units, meaning
    price, not really in features. Sonicwall would have 10 node use, 25 and
    unlimited. This means basically users/computers. You can set up user
    accounts and user groups also that have custom security. You can enable
    logging and pick anything you want to log, it's literally amazing how much
    Sonicwall will log, it's got so many choices it confuses me. You can have
    the logs emailed daily, when full or when certain events occur. You get
    ViewPoint which is one heck of an awesome monitoring utility. It's got pie
    charts, graphs etc and what happens is the Sonicwall will send that
    ViewPoint server all the log inormation and then ViewPoint lets you view it
    in a graphic way that is way easy to understand and evaluate.

    If you go to sonicwall web site as you might have done so you will see on
    the left side of the sonicwall home page there should be a link called demo.
    That will take you to SoniOS Enhanced. It runs on some of their very high
    end unit and will give you the ability to use the SoniOS Enhanced, just not
    save of course. It's awesome.

    Yes, some units have dual wan ability and you can also customize each
    connection for security, bandwidth management and so forth.

    Go to www.sonicguard.com and check out their TZ150 and then TZ170. The TZ150
    can not use the SonicOS Enhanced though and I think you might need the
    SonicOS Enhanced with everything you need to do.

    I don't know what else there is from other brands that can do what you have
    mentioned. I only know Sonicwall and the linksys crummy soho stuff. I
    believe the Sonicwall can do everything you need, but of course am not 100%
    sure. One very nice thing is if you want to you can go to www.sonicguard.com
    and call them. Talk to Hillel, you pronounce it Hilly. It's an 800 number
    free call. He is my sales rep, he's got an accent like South African I
    think, but forget. I think he's really nice and really wonderfull. He helped
    me pick what unit I needed and since then has been awesome to deal with. He
    should be able to get you the lowest cost unit that will do what you need.
    If you do call him please let him know that I sent you there. Joe Moilanen.
    He might not remember, but he might. My fathers name is Dan Moilanen. I just
    renewed our security subscription a couple days ago. I'm not going to get
    anything from you telling him I sent you other then I'll feel good inside
    cus they really do good at Sonicguard. Plus I think it'd just be neat if he
    knew I was when I can, telling people about them and Sonicwall. It's no big
    deal though.

    I think if you think Sonicwall should have what you need, keep this in mind
    when looking at other brands too. It is possible you find something cheaper.
    One thing I like about Sonicwall support is that they send you advance
    replacement units when needed. They overnight them too. They have for me
    anyhow. They pay for the shipping too.

    Joe





    "Bob" wrote in message
    news:096382p1me5345k8j781vvva45v70mgt6n@4ax.com...
    > Hi All,
    >
    > To expand on my previous question re: VPN endpoint routers, I'd like
    > to offer a bit more information.
    >
    > I have 2 wired networks I want to connect. The connections must be
    > secure, and have to meet HIPAA standards as a minimum.
    >
    > Let's call one network WORK, and the other HOME.
    >
    > Both networks are working exactly as I want them to on separate,
    > individual basis, other than the fact that I will soon be required to
    > be able to access, query, and interact with certain websites from
    > WORK. The HOME network works exactly as I want, and is currently
    > connected with a broadband wireless internet connection. That
    > connection can be changed to DSL if having both systems on the same
    > type of connection would be helpful.
    >
    > Due to geography, WORK will require a DSL internet connection.
    > Presently, WORK does not have an internet connection, but one will be
    > required shortly.
    >
    > I have 2 employees at WORK that will be required to interact with 2 or
    > 3 rather large websites (domains), BUT I wish to limit ALL other
    > internet activity on their machines. Both have been known to take
    > part in P2P neworks, downloading questionable files, and generally
    > wasting employer time with web surfing. They have both previsouly
    > lost jobs due to their downloading practices, crashing previous
    > employers machines with downloaded virii as well as at least one
    > proven instance of ID theft (not by the employee, but by downloading a
    > logger). I still haven't decided if I will even allow these 2
    > employees e-mail rights, and if I do, it will be behind a strong
    > antiviral and antispam head-end. 2 other employees at WORK will need
    > full internet access as well as e-mail rights. They are very computer
    > literate and savvy, and I'm not worried about them actively
    > downloading virii, etc., although their machines will be equipped with
    > incoming/outgoing virial filters as well as e-mail scanning. There
    > are also several printes on the WORK network, in most cases connected
    > via printer servers. Due to certain program requirements, the
    > computers at WORK are running either W2K or WinME.
    >
    > What I want for the HOME situation is to be able to work after hours
    > from home as though I were physically present at the worksite (making
    > the HOME network simply appear as an extension of the WORK network).
    > My wife also consults in the business, and would need the same rights
    > from her machine. The HOME network is presently covered by a NAT
    > firewall/router, zonealarm on both machines, and one machine is
    > covered by Norton, the other by Panda. Spybot also runs in the
    > background of both machines. There are a couple of other computers at
    > home that wouldn't require connection to WORK, and the printers at
    > home are a mix of local and networked (print server) printers.
    >
    > I think my best solution would be 2 similar VPN endpoint routers.
    > From the literature I have been able to download, it appears that
    > SonicWall may be my best bet, but I'd certainly prefer something in
    > the Netgear/Linksys price range.
    >
    > If an older freestanding computer (600 mhz range) could perform all
    > these functions under some specific software, that could also be a
    > consideration, but I am unfamiliar enough with the software to know
    > exactly what to be looking for. Extra, older computers we've got.
    >
    > It seems like the VPN endpoint routers would be the cleanest and most
    > reliable route to go, but realize that I do have to perform some major
    > restrictions on a couple of the WORK machines to keep the networks
    > secure.
    >
    > For those that have waded through this missive, THANK YOU!
    >
    > Any help or suggestions are highly appreciated. If possible, I would
    > appreciate brand/model numbers (and if in the case of routers like
    > SonicWall I'd appreciate knowing model# and which modules would be
    > most appropriate). While I do a fair job on local networks, this is
    > my first attempt at combining remote networks requiring high security,
    > and we're located truly in the boonies, with the nearest IT tech
    > "specialist" approximately 140 miles away. Few have shown interest in
    > coming out at any price, and the few that will come want a moderate
    > fortune just to come out and do a survey and estimate.
    >
    > Also, full disclosure router logs would be a plus, although not an
    > absolute necessity. BTW, I was thinking 8-port routers at each end,
    > to allow for the print servers as well as future expansion.
    >
    > TIA
    >
    > Bob Clark





  4. Re: VPN Endpoint Router Question Redux (longish)

    On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:48:13 -0700, "AMDX2" wrote:

    >Bob, I don't know anything about what Dom said, I'm sorry. Umm, the
    >Sonicwall should be able to do what you are needing, but the cost is an
    >issue.


    Yes, the higher expense was what I was trying to get around. However,
    the more I think about it, I probably would only need the high-end
    router at work so long as I could access it via vpn by either a less
    expensive vpn endpoint router or even software client from
    home/travel. The big issue is in being able to highly and very
    selectively restrict internet access on 2 of the work machines. From
    what I read, both Linksys and Netgear have business class vpn endpoint
    routers that appear to do everything I need except for that very
    selective internet control (at least if you consider using software
    antiviral/spam stuff on the machine).

    >I don't like how they cost, but they work sawesome and have in my
    >opinion all the security and dual networks abilities that I can imagine, but
    >also I'm not even close to being a network admin or expert. I'm not even
    >like an intermediate network guy, but I do know some stuff here and there.
    >
    >I would suggest if possible stay away from the low end devices such as
    >Linksys, Belkin, Netgear, Dlink, anyone found in a local Comp Usa, Best Buy
    >type store will not be able to do what you're needing. I would be surprised
    >if any type of local store like those had anything to do this stuff. at
    >least none of the ones here do. Also I have found every single report I've
    >read online about Dlink, Netgear and Linksys have not been good about the
    >home stuff. Well, some have, but rare that I've seen it.


    In general, I agree with you about all the above hardware. Most of
    their home/SOHO stuff is crud, but I've had some good results with
    some D-link and Netgear business class stuff (all wired). But again,
    I've not needed anything with this level of control or security
    before, and I'm not really comfortable with their devices for the work
    end application, especially considering most of the reports out there.

    I know that there is a lot of linux stuff going around, and that the
    wireless guys have done some really phenomenal router software that
    some are running on SBC's. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any
    out-of-the-box type linux router software that can do what I need, and
    as long as it would take me to learn enough linux to be able to do
    anything meaningful with it, I could buy several Sonics if my time
    were worth anything at all. A shame I can't find a good software
    solution, since I have a number of 5-600 mhz machines which are
    perfectly good, but couldn't give away, and are a bit slow for the
    software we run at the office (the reason they're surplus)
    >
    >I do know some stuff about the Sonicwall that is for sure. I think it will
    >have all the securty features you need. Built in gateway virus protection,
    >you can tell the virus protection what to scan for, HTTP, pop3, smtp, ftp,
    >etc or even you can tell it to scan tcp/ip which basically says to scan
    >every packed yet it does scan everything so you'll notice it, plus you can
    >enable it on whatever zone you want, lan, wan etc, Spam protection is also
    >built in, Ani Spyware protection is built in, IPS will block all the bad
    >stuff and built in are all the p2p networking apps. All you do is enable IPS
    >on whatever zone you want to have it on such as WAN, zone 1, zone 2 type
    >stuff. No more p2p. I've used IPS and blocking p2p on the wan port and p2p
    >was totally blocked. You can enable and disable all of the security features
    >per user too. For 8 ports you'd want to add a switch then to the Sonicwall
    >since you'd probably look at one of the lower end sonicwall units, meaning
    >price, not really in features. Sonicwall would have 10 node use, 25 and
    >unlimited. This means basically users/computers. You can set up user
    >accounts and user groups also that have custom security. You can enable
    >logging and pick anything you want to log, it's literally amazing how much
    >Sonicwall will log, it's got so many choices it confuses me. You can have
    >the logs emailed daily, when full or when certain events occur. You get
    >ViewPoint which is one heck of an awesome monitoring utility. It's got pie
    >charts, graphs etc and what happens is the Sonicwall will send that
    >ViewPoint server all the log inormation and then ViewPoint lets you view it
    >in a graphic way that is way easy to understand and evaluate.
    >
    >If you go to sonicwall web site as you might have done so you will see on
    >the left side of the sonicwall home page there should be a link called demo.
    >That will take you to SoniOS Enhanced. It runs on some of their very high
    >end unit and will give you the ability to use the SoniOS Enhanced, just not
    >save of course. It's awesome.
    >
    >Yes, some units have dual wan ability and you can also customize each
    >connection for security, bandwidth management and so forth.
    >
    >Go to www.sonicguard.com and check out their TZ150 and then TZ170. The TZ150
    >can not use the SonicOS Enhanced though and I think you might need the
    >SonicOS Enhanced with everything you need to do.
    >
    >I don't know what else there is from other brands that can do what you have
    >mentioned. I only know Sonicwall and the linksys crummy soho stuff. I
    >believe the Sonicwall can do everything you need, but of course am not 100%
    >sure. One very nice thing is if you want to you can go to www.sonicguard.com
    >and call them. Talk to Hillel, you pronounce it Hilly. It's an 800 number
    >free call. He is my sales rep, he's got an accent like South African I
    >think, but forget. I think he's really nice and really wonderfull. He helped
    >me pick what unit I needed and since then has been awesome to deal with. He
    >should be able to get you the lowest cost unit that will do what you need.
    >If you do call him please let him know that I sent you there. Joe Moilanen.
    >He might not remember, but he might. My fathers name is Dan Moilanen. I just
    >renewed our security subscription a couple days ago. I'm not going to get
    >anything from you telling him I sent you other then I'll feel good inside
    >cus they really do good at Sonicguard. Plus I think it'd just be neat if he
    >knew I was when I can, telling people about them and Sonicwall. It's no big
    >deal though.
    >
    >I think if you think Sonicwall should have what you need, keep this in mind
    >when looking at other brands too. It is possible you find something cheaper.
    >One thing I like about Sonicwall support is that they send you advance
    >replacement units when needed. They overnight them too. They have for me
    >anyhow. They pay for the shipping too.
    >
    >Joe
    >

    I believe I'm going to follow your advice, and will call Sonic in the
    next few days and talk with Hillel. From what I've been able to read,
    it looks like I'll likely need the TZ-170 or TZ-170SP for work, and
    perhaps be able to economize a little with the home router. (I'm
    presently using a very plain Belkin router at home, but only because
    it's what the wireless ISP provided, and is the only one they
    guarantee to support.) There may be other decent less expensive
    hardware routers out there that can do what I need, but if there are,
    I haven't been able to find them based on the on-line documentation
    available.

    Thanks, Joe!

    Bob Clark

    BTW, I'll mention your name to Hillel when I speak to him. Wish it'd
    get you a referral commission.



  5. Re: VPN Endpoint Router Question Redux (longish)

    Bob, I remember when I was looking for a device in 2005 Jan, I spent 2-6 hrs
    per day for 2 weeks to find the Sonicwall. So I think it is possible if
    there was something similar with a bit less cost I should have found it. I
    am not sure, but I should have found something.

    I tried a couple from others, but they didn't do everything I wanted and
    still cost a lot.

    The one thing I like about the Sonicwall is how easy it is to use the
    SonicOS. There are some difficulties, but I think that is because I don't
    know much about high end firewall rules and terminology.

    Joe


    "Bob" wrote in message
    news:me4a821ks5688ud2a8826l6t9o09ji6er2@4ax.com...
    > On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:48:13 -0700, "AMDX2" wrote:
    >
    >>Bob, I don't know anything about what Dom said, I'm sorry. Umm, the
    >>Sonicwall should be able to do what you are needing, but the cost is an
    >>issue.

    >
    > Yes, the higher expense was what I was trying to get around. However,
    > the more I think about it, I probably would only need the high-end
    > router at work so long as I could access it via vpn by either a less
    > expensive vpn endpoint router or even software client from
    > home/travel. The big issue is in being able to highly and very
    > selectively restrict internet access on 2 of the work machines. From
    > what I read, both Linksys and Netgear have business class vpn endpoint
    > routers that appear to do everything I need except for that very
    > selective internet control (at least if you consider using software
    > antiviral/spam stuff on the machine).
    >
    >>I don't like how they cost, but they work sawesome and have in my
    >>opinion all the security and dual networks abilities that I can imagine,
    >>but
    >>also I'm not even close to being a network admin or expert. I'm not even
    >>like an intermediate network guy, but I do know some stuff here and there.
    >>
    >>I would suggest if possible stay away from the low end devices such as
    >>Linksys, Belkin, Netgear, Dlink, anyone found in a local Comp Usa, Best
    >>Buy
    >>type store will not be able to do what you're needing. I would be
    >>surprised
    >>if any type of local store like those had anything to do this stuff. at
    >>least none of the ones here do. Also I have found every single report I've
    >>read online about Dlink, Netgear and Linksys have not been good about the
    >>home stuff. Well, some have, but rare that I've seen it.

    >
    > In general, I agree with you about all the above hardware. Most of
    > their home/SOHO stuff is crud, but I've had some good results with
    > some D-link and Netgear business class stuff (all wired). But again,
    > I've not needed anything with this level of control or security
    > before, and I'm not really comfortable with their devices for the work
    > end application, especially considering most of the reports out there.
    >
    > I know that there is a lot of linux stuff going around, and that the
    > wireless guys have done some really phenomenal router software that
    > some are running on SBC's. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any
    > out-of-the-box type linux router software that can do what I need, and
    > as long as it would take me to learn enough linux to be able to do
    > anything meaningful with it, I could buy several Sonics if my time
    > were worth anything at all. A shame I can't find a good software
    > solution, since I have a number of 5-600 mhz machines which are
    > perfectly good, but couldn't give away, and are a bit slow for the
    > software we run at the office (the reason they're surplus)
    >>
    >>I do know some stuff about the Sonicwall that is for sure. I think it will
    >>have all the securty features you need. Built in gateway virus protection,
    >>you can tell the virus protection what to scan for, HTTP, pop3, smtp, ftp,
    >>etc or even you can tell it to scan tcp/ip which basically says to scan
    >>every packed yet it does scan everything so you'll notice it, plus you can
    >>enable it on whatever zone you want, lan, wan etc, Spam protection is also
    >>built in, Ani Spyware protection is built in, IPS will block all the bad
    >>stuff and built in are all the p2p networking apps. All you do is enable
    >>IPS
    >>on whatever zone you want to have it on such as WAN, zone 1, zone 2 type
    >>stuff. No more p2p. I've used IPS and blocking p2p on the wan port and p2p
    >>was totally blocked. You can enable and disable all of the security
    >>features
    >>per user too. For 8 ports you'd want to add a switch then to the Sonicwall
    >>since you'd probably look at one of the lower end sonicwall units, meaning
    >>price, not really in features. Sonicwall would have 10 node use, 25 and
    >>unlimited. This means basically users/computers. You can set up user
    >>accounts and user groups also that have custom security. You can enable
    >>logging and pick anything you want to log, it's literally amazing how much
    >>Sonicwall will log, it's got so many choices it confuses me. You can have
    >>the logs emailed daily, when full or when certain events occur. You get
    >>ViewPoint which is one heck of an awesome monitoring utility. It's got pie
    >>charts, graphs etc and what happens is the Sonicwall will send that
    >>ViewPoint server all the log inormation and then ViewPoint lets you view
    >>it
    >>in a graphic way that is way easy to understand and evaluate.
    >>
    >>If you go to sonicwall web site as you might have done so you will see on
    >>the left side of the sonicwall home page there should be a link called
    >>demo.
    >>That will take you to SoniOS Enhanced. It runs on some of their very high
    >>end unit and will give you the ability to use the SoniOS Enhanced, just
    >>not
    >>save of course. It's awesome.
    >>
    >>Yes, some units have dual wan ability and you can also customize each
    >>connection for security, bandwidth management and so forth.
    >>
    >>Go to www.sonicguard.com and check out their TZ150 and then TZ170. The
    >>TZ150
    >>can not use the SonicOS Enhanced though and I think you might need the
    >>SonicOS Enhanced with everything you need to do.
    >>
    >>I don't know what else there is from other brands that can do what you
    >>have
    >>mentioned. I only know Sonicwall and the linksys crummy soho stuff. I
    >>believe the Sonicwall can do everything you need, but of course am not
    >>100%
    >>sure. One very nice thing is if you want to you can go to
    >>www.sonicguard.com
    >>and call them. Talk to Hillel, you pronounce it Hilly. It's an 800 number
    >>free call. He is my sales rep, he's got an accent like South African I
    >>think, but forget. I think he's really nice and really wonderfull. He
    >>helped
    >>me pick what unit I needed and since then has been awesome to deal with.
    >>He
    >>should be able to get you the lowest cost unit that will do what you need.
    >>If you do call him please let him know that I sent you there. Joe
    >>Moilanen.
    >>He might not remember, but he might. My fathers name is Dan Moilanen. I
    >>just
    >>renewed our security subscription a couple days ago. I'm not going to get
    >>anything from you telling him I sent you other then I'll feel good inside
    >>cus they really do good at Sonicguard. Plus I think it'd just be neat if
    >>he
    >>knew I was when I can, telling people about them and Sonicwall. It's no
    >>big
    >>deal though.
    >>
    >>I think if you think Sonicwall should have what you need, keep this in
    >>mind
    >>when looking at other brands too. It is possible you find something
    >>cheaper.
    >>One thing I like about Sonicwall support is that they send you advance
    >>replacement units when needed. They overnight them too. They have for me
    >>anyhow. They pay for the shipping too.
    >>
    >>Joe
    >>

    > I believe I'm going to follow your advice, and will call Sonic in the
    > next few days and talk with Hillel. From what I've been able to read,
    > it looks like I'll likely need the TZ-170 or TZ-170SP for work, and
    > perhaps be able to economize a little with the home router. (I'm
    > presently using a very plain Belkin router at home, but only because
    > it's what the wireless ISP provided, and is the only one they
    > guarantee to support.) There may be other decent less expensive
    > hardware routers out there that can do what I need, but if there are,
    > I haven't been able to find them based on the on-line documentation
    > available.
    >
    > Thanks, Joe!
    >
    > Bob Clark
    >
    > BTW, I'll mention your name to Hillel when I speak to him. Wish it'd
    > get you a referral commission.
    >
    >





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