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  1. Disc recovery

    Hello everyone,

    Sorry for the newsgroup spam, but I am in a bit of a pickle.

    I lost my primary HDD last night before my weekly backup. It just locked
    up... hard. When I attemtped to reboot, all I got was the sickening
    'clunk...clunk... clunk' which told me I was in deep doodoo.

    Is there a way I can recover my data that was lost? I thought I could just
    add/reinstall my OS on my new HDD, reinstall my old clunky HDD, mount it and
    then copy the data to a recovery directory before sending the old drive off
    to silicon heaven.

    That trick doesnt seem to work. Any suggestions? You can email me directly.

    Thank you,

    Joe Cipale



  2. Re: Disc recovery

    perhaps you could try a program like "spinrite"

    altough my expierience with "clunking" disks is that they're unuseable most
    of the time.

    Good luck!

    Edddie.


    "joecipale" schreef in bericht
    news:evs4cf013mv@enews1.newsguy.com...
    > Hello everyone,
    >
    > Sorry for the newsgroup spam, but I am in a bit of a pickle.
    >
    > I lost my primary HDD last night before my weekly backup. It just locked
    > up... hard. When I attemtped to reboot, all I got was the sickening
    > 'clunk...clunk... clunk' which told me I was in deep doodoo.
    >
    > Is there a way I can recover my data that was lost? I thought I could just
    > add/reinstall my OS on my new HDD, reinstall my old clunky HDD, mount it
    > and
    > then copy the data to a recovery directory before sending the old drive
    > off
    > to silicon heaven.
    >
    > That trick doesnt seem to work. Any suggestions? You can email me
    > directly.
    >
    > Thank you,
    >
    > Joe Cipale
    >
    >




  3. Re: Disc recovery

    "joecipale" writes:

    >Hello everyone,


    >Sorry for the newsgroup spam, but I am in a bit of a pickle.


    >I lost my primary HDD last night before my weekly backup. It just locked
    >up... hard. When I attemtped to reboot, all I got was the sickening
    >'clunk...clunk... clunk' which told me I was in deep doodoo.


    >Is there a way I can recover my data that was lost? I thought I could just
    >add/reinstall my OS on my new HDD, reinstall my old clunky HDD, mount it and
    >then copy the data to a recovery directory before sending the old drive off
    >to silicon heaven.


    >That trick doesnt seem to work. Any suggestions? You can email me directly.


    If you really heard cluck...clunk then your hard drive has physical
    problems. There is no way of you being able to recover anything.
    You may be able to send it out to a data recovery shop who will disassemble
    the drive and try putting the platters into a new drive. If that does not
    work they might be able to use even more sophisticated techniques for
    recovering data ( costing you from $1000 per drive to $100 per byte)
    Exactly how much is the data worth to you?
    At least you have learned that you put in a second hard drive and at least
    copy everything from the first to the second every night ( or every hour).

    >Thank you,


    >Joe Cipale




  4. Re: Disc recovery

    Unruh wrote:
    > "joecipale" writes:
    >
    >> Hello everyone,

    >
    >> Sorry for the newsgroup spam, but I am in a bit of a pickle.

    >
    >> I lost my primary HDD last night before my weekly backup. It just locked
    >> up... hard. When I attemtped to reboot, all I got was the sickening
    >> 'clunk...clunk... clunk' which told me I was in deep doodoo.

    >
    >> Is there a way I can recover my data that was lost? I thought I could just
    >> add/reinstall my OS on my new HDD, reinstall my old clunky HDD, mount it and
    >> then copy the data to a recovery directory before sending the old drive off
    >> to silicon heaven.

    >
    >> That trick doesnt seem to work. Any suggestions? You can email me directly.

    >
    > If you really heard cluck...clunk then your hard drive has physical
    > problems. There is no way of you being able to recover anything.
    > You may be able to send it out to a data recovery shop who will disassemble
    > the drive and try putting the platters into a new drive. If that does not
    > work they might be able to use even more sophisticated techniques for
    > recovering data ( costing you from $1000 per drive to $100 per byte)
    > Exactly how much is the data worth to you?
    > At least you have learned that you put in a second hard drive and at least
    > copy everything from the first to the second every night ( or every hour).
    >
    >> Thank you,

    >
    >> Joe Cipale

    >
    >



    If you are truly desperate you could do the absolutely last resort as
    described some time ago in (I think) Maximum Linux Magazine -- or maybe
    Maximum PC).

    You set up your own mini-cleanroom using plastic drop cloth and duct
    tape and a small HEPA vacuum cleaner to pressurize the area. You buy an
    identical HD and then place the new HD next to the old drive on the
    table. You dress in one of those clean suits you can get from Home
    Depot for $10 and use a head covering and dust mask. You then
    disassemble both drives, moving the bad platters into the new machine.

    The article admits that it "most likely won't work" but at least you
    will have tried the ultimate. And, I suppose gained some great learning
    experience.

    As for me, I have The Mighty Wurlitzer backed up on two separate SATA
    drives every 12 hours. Overkill of course, but it makes me feel good.

    Cheers,
    Dave


  5. Re: Disc recovery

    On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup linux.redhat, in article
    , joecipale wrote:

    >Sorry for the newsgroup spam, but I am in a bit of a pickle.


    None the less, it would be well to set a "Followup-To:" header as I have
    done here.

    >I lost my primary HDD last night before my weekly backup. It just locked
    >up... hard. When I attemtped to reboot, all I got was the sickening
    >'clunk...clunk... clunk' which told me I was in deep doodoo.


    Wonderful. Had the drive _been_ running and died? Or is this a case
    where you booted, and the drive failed for some reason? Can you tell
    if the drive is spinning? (Could this be a "stiction" problem?) What
    kind of drive (make/model)?

    >Is there a way I can recover my data that was lost? I thought I could
    >just add/reinstall my OS on my new HDD, reinstall my old clunky HDD,
    >mount it and then copy the data to a recovery directory before sending
    >the old drive off to silicon heaven.
    >
    >That trick doesnt seem to work.


    Ontrack disk recovery www.ontrack.com/ www.ontrack.de/
    www.ontrack.co.uk/ do a google search, and get thousands of hits.

    Warning: NOT CHEAP

    >Any suggestions? You can email me directly.


    Post here - read here. Sorry, mail has been off for years.

    Old guy

  6. Re: Disc recovery

    joecipale wrote:
    > Hello everyone,
    >
    > Sorry for the newsgroup spam, but I am in a bit of a pickle.
    >
    > I lost my primary HDD last night before my weekly backup. It just locked
    > up... hard. When I attemtped to reboot, all I got was the sickening
    > 'clunk...clunk... clunk' which told me I was in deep doodoo.
    >
    > Is there a way I can recover my data that was lost? I thought I could just
    > add/reinstall my OS on my new HDD, reinstall my old clunky HDD, mount it and
    > then copy the data to a recovery directory before sending the old drive off
    > to silicon heaven.
    >
    > That trick doesnt seem to work. Any suggestions? You can email me directly.


    The clicking is the heads hitting the stops rather than moving to tracks. Real
    bad news. But first remove and re-seat the data cable at both ends. Then try the
    drive in a different machine. If no luck then make your backups more frequent in
    the future.

    However clicking is usually grounds for buying a case of scotch and notifying
    relatives and friends of the wake.

    My son once worked for a man whom he saw replace the electronic parts of an HD
    with those of an identical drive and fix such problems. I don't quite believe it
    but I report what he told me.

    --
    American troops in Iraq have to know they are risking their lives for people
    who hate them.
    -- The Iron Webmaster, 3727
    nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml
    Lawful to bomb Israelis http://www.giwersworld.org/israel/bombings.phtml a11

  7. Re: Disc recovery

    Matt Giwer wrote:
    > joecipale wrote:
    >
    >> Hello everyone,
    >>
    >> Sorry for the newsgroup spam, but I am in a bit of a pickle.
    >>
    >> I lost my primary HDD last night before my weekly backup. It just locked
    >> up... hard. When I attemtped to reboot, all I got was the sickening
    >> 'clunk...clunk... clunk' which told me I was in deep doodoo.
    >>
    >> Is there a way I can recover my data that was lost? I thought I could
    >> just
    >> add/reinstall my OS on my new HDD, reinstall my old clunky HDD, mount
    >> it and
    >> then copy the data to a recovery directory before sending the old
    >> drive off
    >> to silicon heaven.
    >>
    >> That trick doesnt seem to work. Any suggestions? You can email me
    >> directly.

    >
    >
    > The clicking is the heads hitting the stops rather than moving to
    > tracks. Real bad news. But first remove and re-seat the data cable at
    > both ends. Then try the drive in a different machine. If no luck then
    > make your backups more frequent in the future.
    >
    > However clicking is usually grounds for buying a case of scotch and
    > notifying relatives and friends of the wake.
    >
    > My son once worked for a man whom he saw replace the electronic
    > parts of an HD with those of an identical drive and fix such problems. I
    > don't quite believe it but I report what he told me.
    >


    Well.. my thanks to all who replied. I did manage to contact a data
    recovery specialist here in Oregon. He said 'Well.. I might be able to
    recover the data... no charge to you if I dont, but it will be close to
    $250.00 USD if I am successful.

    Sorry Sir... I just dropped $90 USD on a new HDD and reinstalled (what I
    could) from memory and older backups. I think Ican do with the recovery
    fee.

    Once again, thanks to all who replied. I learned more about disc
    recovery stories to write a book. (hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...)

    Regards,

    Joe

  8. Re: Disc recovery

    joseph m cipale wrote:
    > Matt Giwer wrote:
    >> joecipale wrote:
    >>> Hello everyone,
    >>> Sorry for the newsgroup spam, but I am in a bit of a pickle.
    >>> I lost my primary HDD last night before my weekly backup. It just locked
    >>> up... hard. When I attemtped to reboot, all I got was the sickening
    >>> 'clunk...clunk... clunk' which told me I was in deep doodoo.
    >>> Is there a way I can recover my data that was lost? I thought I could
    >>> just
    >>> add/reinstall my OS on my new HDD, reinstall my old clunky HDD, mount
    >>> it and
    >>> then copy the data to a recovery directory before sending the old
    >>> drive off
    >>> to silicon heaven.
    >>>
    >>> That trick doesnt seem to work. Any suggestions? You can email me
    >>> directly.

    >> The clicking is the heads hitting the stops rather than moving to
    >> tracks. Real bad news. But first remove and re-seat the data cable at
    >> both ends. Then try the drive in a different machine. If no luck then
    >> make your backups more frequent in the future.
    >> However clicking is usually grounds for buying a case of scotch
    >> and notifying relatives and friends of the wake.
    >> My son once worked for a man whom he saw replace the electronic
    >> parts of an HD with those of an identical drive and fix such problems.
    >> I don't quite believe it but I report what he told me.


    > Well.. my thanks to all who replied. I did manage to contact a data
    > recovery specialist here in Oregon. He said 'Well.. I might be able to
    > recover the data... no charge to you if I dont, but it will be close to
    > $250.00 USD if I am successful.


    > Sorry Sir... I just dropped $90 USD on a new HDD and reinstalled (what I
    > could) from memory and older backups. I think Ican do with the recovery
    > fee.


    > Once again, thanks to all who replied. I learned more about disc
    > recovery stories to write a book. (hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...)


    Have you installed the new drive and does it work? And do not forget that a new
    drive is the same as re-seating the cable. I don't mean to rain on your parade
    but lots of problems are simpler than the initial panic conclusion. I once kept
    a 12MHz machine alive by removing cards and running an eraser over the contacts
    and reseating them. The cards were fine. It was the connectors. In my experience
    the problem is more likely mechanical than electronic. As I started in the
    vacuum tube days that took a long time come to think about first rather than last.

    I do not want to argue with you but a new drive does not eliminate a simple
    connector issue as the basic problem.

    --
    There is only one man in all the world who can bring peace to Iraq and Bush
    has said he will not.
    -- The Iron Webmaster, 3731
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    Larry Shiff http://www.giwersworld.org/computers/newsagent.phtml a8

  9. Re: Disc recovery

    Matt Giwer wrote:
    > joecipale wrote:
    >
    >> Hello everyone,
    >>
    >> Sorry for the newsgroup spam, but I am in a bit of a pickle.
    >>
    >> I lost my primary HDD last night before my weekly backup. It just locked
    >> up... hard. When I attemtped to reboot, all I got was the sickening
    >> 'clunk...clunk... clunk' which told me I was in deep doodoo.
    >>
    >> Is there a way I can recover my data that was lost? I thought I could
    >> just
    >> add/reinstall my OS on my new HDD, reinstall my old clunky HDD, mount
    >> it and
    >> then copy the data to a recovery directory before sending the old
    >> drive off
    >> to silicon heaven.
    >>
    >> That trick doesnt seem to work. Any suggestions? You can email me
    >> directly.

    >
    >
    > The clicking is the heads hitting the stops rather than moving to
    > tracks. Real bad news. But first remove and re-seat the data cable at
    > both ends. Then try the drive in a different machine. If no luck then
    > make your backups more frequent in the future.
    >
    > However clicking is usually grounds for buying a case of scotch and
    > notifying relatives and friends of the wake.
    >
    > My son once worked for a man whom he saw replace the electronic
    > parts of an HD with those of an identical drive and fix such problems. I
    > don't quite believe it but I report what he told me.


    To replace the entire electronics card on full sized
    drives was standard practice when attempting a rescue.

    It never worked for me.






  10. Re: Disc recovery

    On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:36:49 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:

    > joecipale wrote:
    >> Hello everyone,
    >>
    >> Sorry for the newsgroup spam, but I am in a bit of a pickle.
    >>
    >> I lost my primary HDD last night before my weekly backup. It just locked
    >> up... hard. When I attemtped to reboot, all I got was the sickening
    >> 'clunk...clunk... clunk' which told me I was in deep doodoo.
    >>
    >> Is there a way I can recover my data that was lost? I thought I could just
    >> add/reinstall my OS on my new HDD, reinstall my old clunky HDD, mount it and
    >> then copy the data to a recovery directory before sending the old drive off
    >> to silicon heaven.
    >>
    >> That trick doesnt seem to work. Any suggestions? You can email me directly.

    >
    > The clicking is the heads hitting the stops rather than moving to tracks. Real
    > bad news. But first remove and re-seat the data cable at both ends. Then try the
    > drive in a different machine. If no luck then make your backups more frequent in
    > the future.
    >
    > However clicking is usually grounds for buying a case of scotch and notifying
    > relatives and friends of the wake.
    >
    > My son once worked for a man whom he saw replace the electronic parts of an HD
    > with those of an identical drive and fix such problems. I don't quite believe it
    > but I report what he told me.


    I had a weird experience with a clicking drive I never understood.
    I put together a new system with Fedora and decided to load Win XP
    on a second, older, drive which had been retired after a couple of
    years service in favor of a larger drive.

    Several minutes into the installation I started getting a constant
    "ker-klunk, ker-klunk" from the drive. Puzzling, since the drive
    seemed to be working perfectly at the time it was retired.

    I tried loading Red Hat 9 on the drive; no problem. I tried
    loading Win 98SE on the drive; no problem. Tried again with Win XP;
    ker-klunk, ker-klunk. I ended up putting Win 98SE back on the
    drive and the same old drive has been spinning 24/7 for the last
    3-4 years (although only infrequently booted).

    Regards,
    Charles Sullivan



  11. Re: Disc recovery

    Charles Sullivan wrote:
    > On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:36:49 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:
    >
    >
    >>joecipale wrote:
    >>
    >>>Hello everyone,
    >>>
    >>>Sorry for the newsgroup spam, but I am in a bit of a pickle.
    >>>
    >>>I lost my primary HDD last night before my weekly backup. It just locked
    >>>up... hard. When I attemtped to reboot, all I got was the sickening
    >>>'clunk...clunk... clunk' which told me I was in deep doodoo.
    >>>
    >>>Is there a way I can recover my data that was lost? I thought I could just
    >>>add/reinstall my OS on my new HDD, reinstall my old clunky HDD, mount it and
    >>>then copy the data to a recovery directory before sending the old drive off
    >>>to silicon heaven.
    >>>
    >>>That trick doesnt seem to work. Any suggestions? You can email me directly.

    >>
    >> The clicking is the heads hitting the stops rather than moving to tracks. Real
    >>bad news. But first remove and re-seat the data cable at both ends. Then try the
    >>drive in a different machine. If no luck then make your backups more frequent in
    >>the future.
    >>
    >> However clicking is usually grounds for buying a case of scotch and notifying
    >>relatives and friends of the wake.
    >>
    >> My son once worked for a man whom he saw replace the electronic parts of an HD
    >>with those of an identical drive and fix such problems. I don't quite believe it
    >>but I report what he told me.

    >
    >
    > I had a weird experience with a clicking drive I never understood.
    > I put together a new system with Fedora and decided to load Win XP
    > on a second, older, drive which had been retired after a couple of
    > years service in favor of a larger drive.
    >
    > Several minutes into the installation I started getting a constant
    > "ker-klunk, ker-klunk" from the drive. Puzzling, since the drive
    > seemed to be working perfectly at the time it was retired.
    >
    > I tried loading Red Hat 9 on the drive; no problem. I tried
    > loading Win 98SE on the drive; no problem. Tried again with Win XP;
    > ker-klunk, ker-klunk. I ended up putting Win 98SE back on the
    > drive and the same old drive has been spinning 24/7 for the last
    > 3-4 years (although only infrequently booted).
    >
    > Regards,
    > Charles Sullivan
    >
    >


    Okay... that scores a bit high on my 'weird-stuff-o-meter'. Crazily, I
    have never had a drive fail on a M$ installation. Now... Fedora or SuSe,
    that is another story!

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