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> Dear Experts,
>
> I have two XP/Linux dual boot machines, and a simple Dell monitor.
> The Linux works fine with this configuration.
>
> But recently, I finally got a cool LCD screen from Sony.
> I got it work on the Windows side easily enough.
>
> However, when I booted to Redhat (Advanced Server 3)
> it went fine until it got to XWindows. Then, I
> got a message:
>
> Information
> Out of Range
> Input 2: HD15
> 68.7 KHz / 85 Hz
>
> I connected the old CRT, and I've been looking at
> the X windows.

I had no problem when I changed from my 17" CRT to a 19" LCD screen when
booting to runlevel 5.

Do you have Kudzu running on boot up to detect new hardware ?

The easiest way for you to fix your problem ( without going into too much
detail ) is to boot into RH using the CRT and then at a terminal run the
ntsysv command to check and select applications to run on boot , scroll down
the list to select the application Kudzu by pressing the spacebar and then
Tab to OK and then exit out of ntsysv.

Shutdown RH , change monitors and re-boot the system and Kudzu should come
up saying it has detected new hardware and will ask you to configure the new
monitor , select the best you can from the configuration suggestions and
then when you are able to login into XWindows go and configure the monitor
in Display Settings for the right brand/ model.



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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, linuxquestion@yahoo.com wrote:

> Dear Experts,
>
> I have two XP/Linux dual boot machines, and a simple Dell monitor.
> The Linux works fine with this configuration.
>
> But recently, I finally got a cool LCD screen from Sony.
> I got it work on the Windows side easily enough.
>
> However, when I booted to Redhat (Advanced Server 3)
> it went fine until it got to XWindows. Then, I
> got a message:
>
> Information
> Out of Range
> Input 2: HD15
> 68.7 KHz / 85 Hz
>
> I connected the old CRT, and I've been looking at
> the X windows.
>
>
> There is the handy configuration tool:
> /usr/bin/redhat-config-xfree86
>
>
> It will probe both your video card, and your monitor,
> automatically configure them, Updating the text configuration file:
> /etc/X11/XF86Config
>
>
> Unfortunately, you have to already be in X Windows to use it!
>
>
> 1)
> Is there a similar tool, that works on the command line???
xf86config

>
>
> 2)
> Do you think that I could just (with my old Dell monitor)
> just use the tool and set monitor to a generic CRT,
> or LCD display?
A standard VGA 640x480 8bpp will work with almost everything. After
setting that up you could use a GUI tool to configure if you really wanted
to.

Try this in your XF86Config file:

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Dell"
HorizSync 31.5
VertRefresh 50-70
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Standard VGA"
VendorName "Unknown"
BoardName "Unknown"
Driver "vga"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "My Video Card"
Driver "vga"
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen 1"
Device "My Video Card"
Monitor "My Monitor"
DefaultDepth 8

Subsection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "640x480" "800x600"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "640x400"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "640x480"
ViewPort 0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection


That should get your GUI up and running and from their you can config in a
more "user friendly" manner.


--Sir Jackery

Hi all,

Thanks for your help.

Ok, I got it to work. This is what I did.


Check the owner's manual for the refresh
rates. Turns out that it was only the
vertical that was out of range.

Use the old CRT monitor, change
the Monitor section in the file:
/etc/X11/XF86Config

from:
vert Refresh 50 - 160.0
to:
vert Refresh 50 - 70.0


Also changed the startup to go to init 3,
not init 5.

It booted to init 3. I gave the command: init 5
And it worked fine. In the sense that gui came up.


However, talk about one problem after another!


Now, some things don't work on the Linux gui.

1)
The machine won't shut down when I tell it to shut down.
It just goes back to the init 5 gui login screen.
I have to use shutdown commands at the prompt to
shut the machine down.


2)
The gui to configure the video card,
/usr/bin/redhat-config-xfree86
does not work now!


3)
It is actually a link to the console program, and of the
few things I tried, nothing in console works now!!!

Go figure!!!

-------------

On my second machine, I used the CRT monitor to
change the file. Reboot with the CRT monitor.
Comes up Fine.

Change to the LCD monitor. The gui came up fine.
And I could use the gui forthe display config.

It shuts down normally.

-------------

BTW, kudzu was already installed. It does detect new
hardware. But not monitors.

-------------

Two full evenings of work! Man, what a waste of time!

And I still haven't mentioned the other problems I have on
Windows side. More surprises there too.

linuxquestion@yahoo.com wrote:
> Also changed the startup to go to init 3,
> not init 5.

That's a good start.

> It booted to init 3. I gave the command: init 5
> And it worked fine. In the sense that gui came up.

Why? Try:
startx

When you want to exit X, Actions->Logout will return you to the command
line.

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> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Ok, I got it to work. This is what I did.
>
>
>
> Now, some things don't work on the Linux gui.
>
> 1)
> The machine won't shut down when I tell it to shut down.
> It just goes back to the init 5 gui login screen.
> I have to use shutdown commands at the prompt to
> shut the machine down.

That is normal procedure , not because of something wrong with your system.

To be able to boot into runlevel 3 and then into the GUI , and then back to
runlevel 3 , instead of using init 5 , use startx for gnome or kdm for KDE.
Or at the login screen , you can press [Alt-Control-F1] to get to the text
mode login and to get back to the login screen aqfter logging out , press
[Alt-Control-F7]
( this is a virtual console that is still in runlevel 5 , at anytime at a
command prompt , type runlevel to check what run level you are in )
>
>
> 2)
> The gui to configure the video card,
> /usr/bin/redhat-config-xfree86
> does not work now!

It won't work if you are running runlevel 3 and textmode , if you do what I
have said for (1) to get to a virtual console , then you will be able to run
it.
Have you tried to use the "Display" facility from the menu in to configure
the video card , it should list all the video cards.
Also what type of video card do you have ?

>
>
> 3)
> It is actually a link to the console program, and of the
> few things I tried, nothing in console works now!!!
>
> Go figure!!!
That's probably because the video card is not configured properly and you
are running an incorrect video driver.
Post the type of video card that you have and also the output of the section
"Device" for the video card from the config file in /etc/X11/XF86Config



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> > 2)
> > The gui to configure the video card,
> > /usr/bin/redhat-config-xfree86
> > does not work now!
>
> It won't work if you are running runlevel 3 and textmode , if you do what I
> have said for (1) to get to a virtual console , then you will be able to run
> it.
> Have you tried to use the "Display" facility from the menu in to configure
> the video card , it should list all the video cards.
> Also what type of video card do you have ?
>

Thanks, but you misunderstood completely.

All the new symptoms apply when it is already in full gui/init 5 mode.

Try reading it again.

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>
>
>
>> > 2)
>> > The gui to configure the video card,
>> > /usr/bin/redhat-config-xfree86
>> > does not work now!
>>
>> It won't work if you are running runlevel 3 and textmode , if you do what
>> I
>> have said for (1) to get to a virtual console , then you will be able to
>> run
>> it.
>> Have you tried to use the "Display" facility from the menu in to
>> configure
>> the video card , it should list all the video cards.
>> Also what type of video card do you have ?
>>
>
> Thanks, but you misunderstood completely.
>
> All the new symptoms apply when it is already in full gui/init 5 mode.

If you can get the runlevel 5 login screen , then you can also get into the
Display to configure the video card.
Hit [Alt-Control-F1] , login in as root and then type redhat-config-xfree86
( or is it redhat-config-display ?) and the Display config utility should
come up by itself in the existing runlevel 5 environment , you won't be
running the full GUI , just the Display utility.

Or if you want , you can change the session on the login screen to Failsafe
Terminal , login in and then issue the Display config utility command.


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OK ladies and gentleman, I have overcome the GUI issues!

The second symptom (as I've stated twice now) was that, in init 5, I
could not use the display configuration utility.

In the gui, I also could not shut the machine down!!! Useless.

(So, telling me to use the display configuration utility, when it
doesn't work, and I'm in fact asking, how do I fix it, does not help
me.)

This is what I did to correct the GUI issues.
I'm putting this on the web in case anyone else gets the same
symptoms.



-----------


file /usr/bin/redhat-config-xfree86

/usr/bin/redhat-config-xfree86: symbolic link to consolehelper


which consolehelper
/usr/bin/consolehelper


file /usr/bin/consolehelper
/usr/bin/consolehelper: empty


pwd
/usr/bin

ls -l
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Mar 14 01:35 consolehelper
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 25148 Sep 25 2003 consolehelper-
gtk

-----------

I believe that when I tried to run the command in init 3,
and it didn't work, the file got screwed up and
set to null.


-----------


Research this file. It is part of usermode.

-----------
What package owns this file?

rpm -qf /usr/bin/consolehelper
usermode-1.68-5

-----------

rpm -qa | grep -i usermode
usermode-1.68-5
usermode-gtk-1.68-5


man usermode
No manual entry for usermode

apropos usermode
usermode: nothing appropriate



----------


rpm -ql usermode
- what files are included in the package?


/etc/pam.d/halt
/etc/pam.d/poweroff
/etc/pam.d/reboot
/etc/security/console.apps/halt
/etc/security/console.apps/poweroff
/etc/security/console.apps/reboot
/usr/bin/consolehelper
/usr/bin/halt
/usr/bin/poweroff <- which explains why I can't shutdown.
/usr/bin/reboot
....
etc


-----------

Try to reinstall the RPM usermode

go to init 3

rpm -ivh /opt/redhat/RPMS/usermode-1.68-5.i386.rpm
- already installed.

Try to uninstall/remove it.
But I get a LOT of messages saying that it is required
by many other packages.


ls -l /usr/bin/consolehelper
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Mar 14 01:35 /usr/bin/
consolehelper

-----------


Copy the file from my other dual boot computer.


ls -l /mnt/floppy/dell4550
total 4
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3664 Mar 16 14:56 consolehelper

cp /mnt/floppy/dell4550/consolehelper /usr/bin/consolehelper
cp: overwrite `/usr/bin/consolehelper'? y

ls -l /usr/bin/consolehelper
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3664 Mar 16 14:58 /usr/bin/
consolehelper


Reboot.

Works!

About time!

-----------


Had I not had the file on the other computer, does anyone have any
ideas as to how I could have solved this?

Does RPM have a reinstall option?

Would force option be ok to use?

linuxquestion@yahoo.com wrote:
> OK ladies and gentleman, I have overcome the GUI issues!
>
> The second symptom (as I've stated twice now) was that, in init 5, I
> could not use the display configuration utility.
>
> In the gui, I also could not shut the machine down!!! Useless.
>
> (So, telling me to use the display configuration utility, when it
> doesn't work, and I'm in fact asking, how do I fix it, does not help
> me.)
>
> This is what I did to correct the GUI issues.
> I'm putting this on the web in case anyone else gets the same
> symptoms.
>
>
>
> -----------
>
>
> file /usr/bin/redhat-config-xfree86
>
> /usr/bin/redhat-config-xfree86: symbolic link to consolehelper
>
>
> which consolehelper
> /usr/bin/consolehelper
>
>
> file /usr/bin/consolehelper
> /usr/bin/consolehelper: empty
>
>
> pwd
> /usr/bin
>
> ls -l
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Mar 14 01:35 consolehelper
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 25148 Sep 25 2003 consolehelper-
> gtk
>
> -----------
>
> I believe that when I tried to run the command in init 3,
> and it didn't work, the file got screwed up and
> set to null.
>
>
> -----------
>
>
> Research this file. It is part of usermode.
>
> -----------
> What package owns this file?
>
> rpm -qf /usr/bin/consolehelper
> usermode-1.68-5
>
> -----------
>
> rpm -qa | grep -i usermode
> usermode-1.68-5
> usermode-gtk-1.68-5
>
>
> man usermode
> No manual entry for usermode
>
> apropos usermode
> usermode: nothing appropriate
>
>
>
> ----------
>
>
> rpm -ql usermode
> - what files are included in the package?
>
>
> /etc/pam.d/halt
> /etc/pam.d/poweroff
> /etc/pam.d/reboot
> /etc/security/console.apps/halt
> /etc/security/console.apps/poweroff
> /etc/security/console.apps/reboot
> /usr/bin/consolehelper
> /usr/bin/halt
> /usr/bin/poweroff <- which explains why I can't shutdown.
> /usr/bin/reboot
> ...
> etc
>
>
> -----------
>
> Try to reinstall the RPM usermode
>
> go to init 3
>
> rpm -ivh /opt/redhat/RPMS/usermode-1.68-5.i386.rpm
> - already installed.
>
> Try to uninstall/remove it.
> But I get a LOT of messages saying that it is required
> by many other packages.
>
>
> ls -l /usr/bin/consolehelper
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Mar 14 01:35 /usr/bin/
> consolehelper
>
> -----------
>
>
> Copy the file from my other dual boot computer.
>
>
> ls -l /mnt/floppy/dell4550
> total 4
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3664 Mar 16 14:56 consolehelper
>
> cp /mnt/floppy/dell4550/consolehelper /usr/bin/consolehelper
> cp: overwrite `/usr/bin/consolehelper'? y
>
> ls -l /usr/bin/consolehelper
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3664 Mar 16 14:58 /usr/bin/
> consolehelper
>
>
> Reboot.
>
> Works!
>
> About time!
>
> -----------
>
>
> Had I not had the file on the other computer, does anyone have any
> ideas as to how I could have solved this?
>
> Does RPM have a reinstall option?
>
> Would force option be ok to use?
>
>
>
>
Might you try Alt-F1 and use the txt mode interface?

> wrote
> > Dear Experts,
> >
> > I have two XP/Linux dual boot machines, and a simple Dell monitor.
> > The Linux works fine with this configuration.
> >
> > But recently, I finally got a cool LCD screen from Sony.
> > I got it work on the Windows side easily enough.
> >
> > However, when I booted to Redhat (Advanced Server 3)
> > it went fine until it got to XWindows. Then, I
> > got a message:
> >
> > Information
> > Out of Range
> > Input 2: HD15
> > 68.7 KHz / 85 Hz
> >
> > I connected the old CRT, and I've been looking at
> > the X windows.
Some LCD screens have more flexibility than others on what
settings they can handle. A little known feature or X is changing
the current resolution with control-alt-+ or control-alt--
{Where + and - have to be the ones on the numeric keypad, if
memory serves} This cycles through the short list of favorite settings
your prior setup hopefully provided.

If all else fails, control-alt-F1 {F1 key is near top left part of QWERTY part of
keyboard} {Oh! did I mention you may have to be using the LEFT side control-alt
keys on your keyboard for all this?} should get you to a text-mode screen, not graphics
mode, {reverse this by doing control-alt-F7 or F8 or F9 or whatever}, and
init 3 takes you down to textonly mode, no graphics, until you reboot or change it
back
with init 5 which is regular X.

If all else _still_ fails, then control-alt-delete {Use delete key on querty keyboard
this time,
do not choose the del/. key on the numeric keypad} will do a graceful shutdown. I forget
if
it then boots back up, so be ready at the power-off switch when you see the motherboard
bios messages coming back up if you'd wanted to stay down.

I'm shooting from the hip on all this -- I almost never use X. But I've often gotten this
message
from a new/loaner LCD screen, even using them for stock microsoft windows.

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