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> Been away from it for about 4-5 years and noticed they seemed to have
> really gone downhill as far as usability is concerned. Installing new
> RH E 4 systems to replace old (but good) RH 7 servers, trying to get
> sendmail and imap to work via ssl ..the included instructions are very
> easy but of course they don't work so trying to remove rpms and start
> over from scratch. It's then I find there is no longer a working rpm
> manager included anymore. Command line or via their network to remove.
> And so far that has not worked as removal via network is apparently
> queued and It just won't remove the apps NOW. Ok I am edu so we get
> the discount price but why has the usability gone down now that they
> are charging for it? Any recommendations for a distribution that is
> good for production environment? It looks like Redhat is aiming for
> hobby market now yet wanting a production price

There is nothing wrong with RHEL 4 , it's just that you haven't taken the
time to read up on it , a lot has change with Linux since RH 7.
RPMs are still the main package manager in RH and the other RH type distros
like CentOS and Fedora Core also has Yum ( using RPMs)

On the contrary , RH is aimed at the corporate sector , that is why you have
to pay for it , on the other hand , the testing of RH Linux is done using
Fedora Core which is eventually is incorporated into RH enterprise versions
when it is found to be stable.

The unbranded RH enterprise is released as CentOS and is quite good and
stable .


Here is a web page that lists all the distros and there packages.

http://distrowatch.com/



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"Sandgroper" wrote
> wrote
> > Been away from it for about 4-5 years and noticed they seemed to have
> > really gone downhill as far as usability is concerned. Installing new
> > RH E 4 systems to replace old (but good) RH 7 servers, trying to get
> > sendmail and imap to work via ssl ..the included instructions are very
> > easy but of course they don't work so trying to remove rpms and start
> > over from scratch. It's then I find there is no longer a working rpm
> > manager included anymore. Command line or via their network to remove.
> > And so far that has not worked as removal via network is apparently
> > queued and It just won't remove the apps NOW. Ok I am edu so we get
> > the discount price but why has the usability gone down now that they
> > are charging for it? Any recommendations for a distribution that is
> > good for production environment? It looks like Redhat is aiming for
> > hobby market now yet wanting a production price
>
> There is nothing wrong with RHEL 4 , it's just that you haven't taken the
> time to read up on it , a lot has change with Linux since RH 7.
> RPMs are still the main package manager in RH and the other RH type distros
> like CentOS and Fedora Core also has Yum ( using RPMs)
>
> On the contrary , RH is aimed at the corporate sector , that is why you have
> to pay for it , on the other hand , the testing of RH Linux is done using
> Fedora Core which is eventually is incorporated into RH enterprise versions
> when it is found to be stable.
>
> The unbranded RH enterprise is released as CentOS and is quite good and
> stable .
>
>
> Here is a web page that lists all the distros and their packages.
>
> http://distrowatch.com/
>
> Sandgroper
I'd even {weakly} argue for sticking with rhel3 instead of rhel4; mainly
'cause I prefer to rip out cups {except leave in cups libraries package} and
instead use LPRng printer package. Umm, I don't use X, and never send
printer jobs from winboxes into samba on rhel, so I can afford to humor my
nostalgia for a bone-simple, text-administered printing subsystem. By the way,
I have to do cups-enable fooprinter on my rhel4 boxes after my lpr/lpd ethernet-to-parallel printer adapter enabled laserjet printer> runs out
of paper... Was agony until I puzzled that out.

Oh, and if you need an obscure old kernel module like aha152x {drives an old
isa 1505 scsi tape controller card at our shop} that's only provided as source
in rhel3/rhel4, you'll need to relink the kernel modules, and it turns out that is
__way__ simpler in rhel3 than rhel4. I think you have to go grab the kernel
source package off the source code disks in either release, unlike in say rh9
when you'd get it from the {3? 4?} main installation disks. Another old kernel
module supports discarded DPT scsi cards. EATA or some such, I think...

Hello again,
Well I need something that is easy to admin for Win admins..ie GUI
packages. I was able to use command line rpm to remove and reinstall
(and that has fixed the problem) but I am not talking about me but
rather my staff. There used to be nice utils like kpackage but that is
apparently gone. The add/remove routine they added bombs out when you
try to remove packages and I went to redhat's site and they basically
said once you start applying patches it will not work anymore and you
must use up2date or their web admin. Couldn't see how to do with
up2date (as it only wants to add, not remove) and the web admin
probably works but it makes you wait an hour or 2 before it will
remove the rpm and that is not reasonable. By removing dependencies
via the command line I could then fool the add/remove into removing
some stuff. But you shouldn't have to do that for something made for
the professional environment. For hobby servers, that is fine but not
for commercial based software running in the windows workplace.

Personally I use both cl and gui but I have to make sure my staff can
fix/repair etc when I am gone (which is much of the time this past
year as I am a student as well).

This new server will be run under vmware so they can just drop in an
image into a new host if needed. Well that is the idea, we will see
how well that works.

regards,
Fletch



On Mar 9, 10:31 pm, "Sandgroper"
wrote:
> wrote in message
>
> news:1173467340.739097.249000@n33g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > Been away from it for about 4-5 years and noticed they seemed to have
> > really gone downhill as far as usability is concerned. Installing new
> > RH E 4 systems to replace old (but good) RH 7 servers, trying to get
> > sendmail and imap to work via ssl ..the included instructions are very
> > easy but of course they don't work so trying to remove rpms and start
> > over from scratch. It's then I find there is no longer a working rpm
> > manager included anymore. Command line or via their network to remove.
> > And so far that has not worked as removal via network is apparently
> > queued and It just won't remove the apps NOW. Ok I am edu so we get
> > the discount price but why has the usability gone down now that they
> > are charging for it? Any recommendations for a distribution that is
> > good for production environment? It looks like Redhat is aiming for
> > hobby market now yet wanting a production price
>
> There is nothing wrong with RHEL 4 , it's just that you haven't taken the
> time to read up on it , a lot has change with Linux since RH 7.
> RPMs are still the main package manager in RH and the other RH type distros
> like CentOS and Fedora Core also has Yum ( using RPMs)
>
> On the contrary , RH is aimed at the corporate sector , that is why you have
> to pay for it , on the other hand , the testing of RH Linux is done using
> Fedora Core which is eventually is incorporated into RH enterprise versions
> when it is found to be stable.
>
> The unbranded RH enterprise is released as CentOS and is quite good and
> stable .
>
> Here is a web page that lists all the distros and there packages.
>
> http://distrowatch.com/
>
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>
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>
> Oh, and if you need an obscure old kernel module like aha152x {drives an old
> isa 1505 scsi tape controller card at our shop} that's only provided as source
> in rhel3/rhel4, you'll need to relink the kernel modules, and it turns out that is
> __way__ simpler in rhel3 than rhel4. I think you have to go grab the kernel
> source package off the source code disks in either release, unlike in say rh9
> when you'd get it from the {3? 4?} main installation disks. Another old kernel
> module supports discarded DPT scsi cards. EATA or some such, I think...
>
>

The inability of using the AHA-1542 adapter since RH7, made me switch
from RH6.2 to Slackware for my file/printerserver when RH6.2 wasn't
updated anymore. It's still running...