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  1. Installer does not detect video card (not an X issue)

    Hi,

    I am installing Fedora Core 3 on a Dell Precision 330.
    Video card is a Diamond Fire GL2 with a rather old BIOS.

    (The PC was rebooted with the distribution CD, and I was prompted for
    the type of installation. However, no partitioning yet, language
    selection, ...)

    So, just before the actual installation, I see a message that the video
    card was not detected (the monitor, kbd and mouse are) and that the
    installation is going ``headless''. It then proceeds without incident
    to partition, install packages.

    When the system reboots for the first time (this is when I'll set up the
    users, etc), I briefly see a Fedora splash screen, then the usual kernel
    boot messages, and _then_ the screen goes wild: on a blue background
    reddish diagonal stripes march across the screen.

    I am not in X at that point. X has not been configured yet. I can
    ctrl-alt-del to reboot. But ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-F2 don't work.

    I tried booting to run-level three to go to a text mode only by
    specifying init 3 at the end of the boot kernel command. The os loader
    is GRUB. But the same thing happened again.

    Not knowing a thing about hardware, (and just slightly more about Linux)
    I am wondering if the video card bios is too old and cannot respond to
    the probing by the installer.

    Also, according to the same conspiracy theory, during the boot process,
    the video card gets wierd signals because its bios is out of date and
    throws garbage to the monitor.

    And it is not a monitor issue. I have tried two.

    But I seriously hope that it will not come to installing a new bios,
    because I currently don't have a usable system, and using the rescue
    mode from the install media to reach across the network to grab the
    drivers which I downloaded to a windows machine seems like a great
    project for my retirement. Right now, I need a working machine.

    Thanks for any suggestion,

    Mirko


  2. Re: Installer does not detect video card (not an X issue)

    What I would do is use a rescue disk to reconfigure X with the command
    xf86config instead of using RH's Xconfigurator. Now I don't know if
    RH even has that tool, or the handy-dandy XF86Setup anymore --
    a TCl/TK program available from http://www.slackware.com which will do
    it graphically using the always usable VGA-16 driver.

    RH is supposed to have both XF86Setup and xf86config. Try the latter
    first and answer the questions. It is a command line tool. Late tune
    the card with XF86Steup, which is graphical but will run from the
    command line, setting up its own display. Really Xconfigurator should
    work from the command line too, so go ahead and try that.

    You could use a rescue disk with at least a text editor on it. But even
    without you can still run xf86config. You have to get root status and be
    in a read write mode to run it, which is sometimes tricky. You might
    want to try booting from a floppy made for that system with the boot
    option -ro. There finding the video modes that are appropriate and the
    drivers can be done "by hand". It is not that hard.

    The diamond fire GL 2 is not listed in the card database. Its driver is
    unkown. IT could be the same as other diamond fire models, or you may
    have to try the generic SVGA driver and possibly generic VGA.

    This is the great weakness of the RH system which presumes that it can
    auto install everything and detect everything. It cannot, and there are
    not always solutions if it fails.

    There are other lilo boot options. "rescue" allows you to fix things in
    RH usually. "single" might work too. You could play with the "vga=80x25
    " option as well after entering "linux" at boot time, to change video modes.

    EC<:-}

    Phony Account wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > I am installing Fedora Core 3 on a Dell Precision 330.
    > Video card is a Diamond Fire GL2 with a rather old BIOS.
    >
    > (The PC was rebooted with the distribution CD, and I was prompted for
    > the type of installation. However, no partitioning yet, language
    > selection, ...)
    >
    > So, just before the actual installation, I see a message that the video
    > card was not detected (the monitor, kbd and mouse are) and that the
    > installation is going ``headless''. It then proceeds without incident
    > to partition, install packages.
    >
    > When the system reboots for the first time (this is when I'll set up the
    > users, etc), I briefly see a Fedora splash screen, then the usual kernel
    > boot messages, and _then_ the screen goes wild: on a blue background
    > reddish diagonal stripes march across the screen.
    >
    > I am not in X at that point. X has not been configured yet. I can
    > ctrl-alt-del to reboot. But ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-F2 don't work.
    >
    > I tried booting to run-level three to go to a text mode only by
    > specifying init 3 at the end of the boot kernel command. The os loader
    > is GRUB. But the same thing happened again.
    >
    > Not knowing a thing about hardware, (and just slightly more about Linux)
    > I am wondering if the video card bios is too old and cannot respond to
    > the probing by the installer.
    >
    > Also, according to the same conspiracy theory, during the boot process,
    > the video card gets wierd signals because its bios is out of date and
    > throws garbage to the monitor.
    >
    > And it is not a monitor issue. I have tried two.
    >
    > But I seriously hope that it will not come to installing a new bios,
    > because I currently don't have a usable system, and using the rescue
    > mode from the install media to reach across the network to grab the
    > drivers which I downloaded to a windows machine seems like a great
    > project for my retirement. Right now, I need a working machine.
    >
    > Thanks for any suggestion,
    >
    > Mirko
    >
    > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > Subject:
    > Installer does not detect video card (not an X issue)
    > From:
    > Phony Account
    > Date:
    > Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:52:39 GMT
    >
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > I am installing Fedora Core 3 on a Dell Precision 330.
    > Video card is a Diamond Fire GL2 with a rather old BIOS.
    >
    > (The PC was rebooted with the distribution CD, and I was prompted for
    > the type of installation. However, no partitioning yet, language
    > selection, ...)
    >
    > So, just before the actual installation, I see a message that the video
    > card was not detected (the monitor, kbd and mouse are) and that the
    > installation is going ``headless''. It then proceeds without incident
    > to partition, install packages.
    >
    > When the system reboots for the first time (this is when I'll set up the
    > users, etc), I briefly see a Fedora splash screen, then the usual kernel
    > boot messages, and _then_ the screen goes wild: on a blue background
    > reddish diagonal stripes march across the screen.
    >
    > I am not in X at that point. X has not been configured yet. I can
    > ctrl-alt-del to reboot. But ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-F2 don't work.
    >
    > I tried booting to run-level three to go to a text mode only by
    > specifying init 3 at the end of the boot kernel command. The os loader
    > is GRUB. But the same thing happened again.
    >
    > Not knowing a thing about hardware, (and just slightly more about Linux)
    > I am wondering if the video card bios is too old and cannot respond to
    > the probing by the installer.
    >
    > Also, according to the same conspiracy theory, during the boot process,
    > the video card gets wierd signals because its bios is out of date and
    > throws garbage to the monitor.
    >
    > And it is not a monitor issue. I have tried two.
    >
    > But I seriously hope that it will not come to installing a new bios,
    > because I currently don't have a usable system, and using the rescue
    > mode from the install media to reach across the network to grab the
    > drivers which I downloaded to a windows machine seems like a great
    > project for my retirement. Right now, I need a working machine.
    >
    > Thanks for any suggestion,
    >
    > Mirko



  3. Re: Installer does not detect video card (not an X issue)

    E. Charters wrote:
    > What I would do is use a rescue disk to reconfigure X with the command
    > xf86config instead of using RH's Xconfigurator. Now I don't know if
    > RH even has that tool, or the handy-dandy XF86Setup anymore --
    > a TCl/TK program available from http://www.slackware.com which will do
    > it graphically using the always usable VGA-16 driver.
    >
    > RH is supposed to have both XF86Setup and xf86config. Try the latter
    > first and answer the questions. It is a command line tool. Late tune
    > the card with XF86Steup, which is graphical but will run from the
    > command line, setting up its own display. Really Xconfigurator should
    > work from the command line too, so go ahead and try that.
    >
    > You could use a rescue disk with at least a text editor on it. But even
    > without you can still run xf86config. You have to get root status and be
    > in a read write mode to run it, which is sometimes tricky. You might
    > want to try booting from a floppy made for that system with the boot
    > option -ro. There finding the video modes that are appropriate and the
    > drivers can be done "by hand". It is not that hard.
    >
    > The diamond fire GL 2 is not listed in the card database. Its driver is
    > unkown. IT could be the same as other diamond fire models, or you may
    > have to try the generic SVGA driver and possibly generic VGA.
    >
    > This is the great weakness of the RH system which presumes that it can
    > auto install everything and detect everything. It cannot, and there are
    > not always solutions if it fails.
    >
    > There are other lilo boot options. "rescue" allows you to fix things in
    > RH usually. "single" might work too. You could play with the "vga=80x25
    > " option as well after entering "linux" at boot time, to change video
    > modes.
    >
    > EC<:-}
    >
    > Phony Account wrote:
    >
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> I am installing Fedora Core 3 on a Dell Precision 330.
    >> Video card is a Diamond Fire GL2 with a rather old BIOS.
    >>
    >> (The PC was rebooted with the distribution CD, and I was prompted for
    >> the type of installation. However, no partitioning yet, language
    >> selection, ...)
    >>
    >> So, just before the actual installation, I see a message that the
    >> video card was not detected (the monitor, kbd and mouse are) and that
    >> the installation is going ``headless''. It then proceeds without
    >> incident to partition, install packages.
    >>
    >> When the system reboots for the first time (this is when I'll set up
    >> the users, etc), I briefly see a Fedora splash screen, then the usual
    >> kernel boot messages, and _then_ the screen goes wild: on a blue
    >> background reddish diagonal stripes march across the screen.
    >>
    >> I am not in X at that point. X has not been configured yet. I can
    >> ctrl-alt-del to reboot. But ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-F2 don't work.
    >>
    >> I tried booting to run-level three to go to a text mode only by
    >> specifying init 3 at the end of the boot kernel command. The os
    >> loader is GRUB. But the same thing happened again.
    >>
    >> Not knowing a thing about hardware, (and just slightly more about
    >> Linux) I am wondering if the video card bios is too old and cannot
    >> respond to the probing by the installer.
    >>
    >> Also, according to the same conspiracy theory, during the boot
    >> process, the video card gets wierd signals because its bios is out of
    >> date and throws garbage to the monitor.
    >>
    >> And it is not a monitor issue. I have tried two.
    >>
    >> But I seriously hope that it will not come to installing a new bios,
    >> because I currently don't have a usable system, and using the rescue
    >> mode from the install media to reach across the network to grab the
    >> drivers which I downloaded to a windows machine seems like a great
    >> project for my retirement. Right now, I need a working machine.
    >>
    >> Thanks for any suggestion,
    >>
    >> Mirko
    >>
    >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >>
    >> Subject:
    >> Installer does not detect video card (not an X issue)
    >> From:
    >> Phony Account
    >> Date:
    >> Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:52:39 GMT
    >>
    >>
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> I am installing Fedora Core 3 on a Dell Precision 330.
    >> Video card is a Diamond Fire GL2 with a rather old BIOS.
    >>
    >> (The PC was rebooted with the distribution CD, and I was prompted for
    >> the type of installation. However, no partitioning yet, language
    >> selection, ...)
    >>
    >> So, just before the actual installation, I see a message that the
    >> video card was not detected (the monitor, kbd and mouse are) and that
    >> the installation is going ``headless''. It then proceeds without
    >> incident to partition, install packages.
    >>
    >> When the system reboots for the first time (this is when I'll set up
    >> the users, etc), I briefly see a Fedora splash screen, then the usual
    >> kernel boot messages, and _then_ the screen goes wild: on a blue
    >> background reddish diagonal stripes march across the screen.
    >>
    >> I am not in X at that point. X has not been configured yet. I can
    >> ctrl-alt-del to reboot. But ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-F2 don't work.
    >>
    >> I tried booting to run-level three to go to a text mode only by
    >> specifying init 3 at the end of the boot kernel command. The os
    >> loader is GRUB. But the same thing happened again.
    >>
    >> Not knowing a thing about hardware, (and just slightly more about
    >> Linux) I am wondering if the video card bios is too old and cannot
    >> respond to the probing by the installer.
    >>
    >> Also, according to the same conspiracy theory, during the boot
    >> process, the video card gets wierd signals because its bios is out of
    >> date and throws garbage to the monitor.
    >>
    >> And it is not a monitor issue. I have tried two.
    >>
    >> But I seriously hope that it will not come to installing a new bios,
    >> because I currently don't have a usable system, and using the rescue
    >> mode from the install media to reach across the network to grab the
    >> drivers which I downloaded to a windows machine seems like a great
    >> project for my retirement. Right now, I need a working machine.
    >>
    >> Thanks for any suggestion,
    >>
    >> Mirko

    >
    >

    EC,

    As I said, I am not in X at that point yet. X has not been configured.
    (I could be missing sommething).

    But you are right about the card not being in the (at least red-hats)
    database. However, I did download a linux driver from the
    manufacturer's web site and was hoping to install it once the machine boots.

    I was looking yesterday for a database of graphics cards for linux.
    Where could I find it?

    Someone else (I cross-posted to comp.os.linux) suggested kernel ...
    vga=normal. I will try your and his suggestions.

    Thanks for the reply,

    Mirko

  4. Re: Installer does not detect video card (not an X issue)

    > As I said, I am not in X at that point yet. X has not been configured.
    > (I could be missing sommething).


    # yes, I think your RH system is trying to boot into a GUI, which RH
    has a habit of doing. No GUI, not booty. Try to go into rescue mode
    at the boot prompt. You did set it up to wait for the boot prompt didn't
    you? go "linux rescue" Maybe linux -rescue if that does not work,
    look in the manual til you find out how to boot into a textterminal
    only. I had though "linux single" would do that. Also runlevel one.
    I had thot that even runlevel 3 should do that, but you said you tried
    that.

    > > But you are right about the card not being in the (at least red-hats)

    > database. However, I did download a linux driver from the
    > manufacturer's web site and was hoping to install it once the machine
    > boots.


    # yes, you will have fun doing that. Is this a linux X driver? hmmmm....
    howfo to use in X is noffo in dey manual. I believe that you may have to
    select the generic SVGA driver from xf86config, or the generic VGA
    driver even. It may be VESA LB, so that may be a solution as well.

    >
    > I was looking yesterday for a database of graphics cards for linux.
    > Where could I find it?


    # If you run xf86config at one point the options allow you to scroll
    through that. I don't know where on the net it shows the card database.

    # One thorn bush you don't realize you are tangled in is the driver
    problem. If your card does NOT have a shipped X driver, then where did
    you get the driver you intend to use and how do you intend to patch it
    into X? Don't answer that, see above.

    >
    > Someone else (I cross-posted to comp.os.linux) suggested kernel ...
    > vga=normal. I will try your and his suggestions.


    # yes that sounds goodish. Try that. With my suggestions, as always, Jim
    there is no guarantee. If you should decide to embark on this mission
    our prayers go with you. This tape will self destruct in 15 seconds.

    Try this how-to

    http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/l...resources.html

    You might also want to take a look at this.

    http://www.tldp.org/LDP/gs/node7.html

    This has been an interposted reply. This is not what Keller, Kremers, or
    Dan C want either. That is a shame. A damned shame. Too bad they did not
    answer the question and show me how to do it. I am only a struggling
    apprentice and in awe of their mastery. Someday I hope to be as good as
    they think they are.

    EC<:-}

    >
    > Thanks for the reply,
    >
    > Mirko



  5. Re: Installer does not detect video card (not an X issue)

    E. Charters wrote:
    >> As I said, I am not in X at that point yet. X has not been
    >> configured. (I could be missing sommething).

    >
    >
    > # yes, I think your RH system is trying to boot into a GUI, which RH
    > has a habit of doing. No GUI, not booty. Try to go into rescue mode
    > at the boot prompt. You did set it up to wait for the boot prompt didn't
    > you? go "linux rescue" Maybe linux -rescue if that does not work,
    > look in the manual til you find out how to boot into a textterminal
    > only. I had though "linux single" would do that. Also runlevel one.
    > I had thot that even runlevel 3 should do that, but you said you tried
    > that.
    >
    >> > But you are right about the card not being in the (at least

    >> red-hats) database. However, I did download a linux driver from the
    >> manufacturer's web site and was hoping to install it once the machine
    >> boots.

    >
    >
    > # yes, you will have fun doing that. Is this a linux X driver? hmmmm....
    > howfo to use in X is noffo in dey manual. I believe that you may have to
    > select the generic SVGA driver from xf86config, or the generic VGA
    > driver even. It may be VESA LB, so that may be a solution as well.
    >
    >>
    >> I was looking yesterday for a database of graphics cards for linux.
    >> Where could I find it?

    >
    >
    > # If you run xf86config at one point the options allow you to scroll
    > through that. I don't know where on the net it shows the card database.
    >
    > # One thorn bush you don't realize you are tangled in is the driver
    > problem. If your card does NOT have a shipped X driver, then where did
    > you get the driver you intend to use and how do you intend to patch it
    > into X? Don't answer that, see above.
    >
    >>
    >> Someone else (I cross-posted to comp.os.linux) suggested kernel ...
    >> vga=normal. I will try your and his suggestions.

    >
    >
    > # yes that sounds goodish. Try that. With my suggestions, as always, Jim
    > there is no guarantee. If you should decide to embark on this mission
    > our prayers go with you. This tape will self destruct in 15 seconds.
    >
    > Try this how-to
    >
    > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/l...resources.html
    >
    >
    > You might also want to take a look at this.
    >
    > http://www.tldp.org/LDP/gs/node7.html
    >
    > This has been an interposted reply. This is not what Keller, Kremers, or
    > Dan C want either. That is a shame. A damned shame. Too bad they did not
    > answer the question and show me how to do it. I am only a struggling
    > apprentice and in awe of their mastery. Someday I hope to be as good as
    > they think they are.
    >
    > EC<:-}
    >
    >>
    >> Thanks for the reply,
    >>
    >> Mirko

    >
    >

    Today I switch to a different card (an ATI, I believe, as the pc is at
    work, and I'm writing this from home), and everything went without a
    hitch. The install detected the card, and was able to proceed in
    graphics mode.

    A colleague of mine was so impressed with the whole procedure and the
    packages offered, he is thinking of installing it at home :-)

    So, problem solved.

    Thanks for your time.

    Mirko

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