USB Camera problems in Slackware 9.0, kernel 2.4.23

Ok, I've got two USB Camera problems in Slackware 9.0 using a vanilla kernel
2.4.23.

1) My wife bought me a "Centrios Clearpix Flexible Web Cam" from Radio Shack for
Christmas. It is a 4 cm x 1.5 cm x 1.0 cm USB 1.1 connected web camera on a
stiff flexible 30 cm long cable, intended for laptop use. It comes, of course,
with the requisite MSWindows drivers and software. Linux kernel usb and hotplug
support recognize it generally, but there seems not to be a driver for it.
MSWindows calls it a "6029 CIF" PC Camera.

From /var/log/messages...
Dec 25 23:50:59 bitsie kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:04.3-1.1,
assigned address 11
Dec 25 23:51:02 bitsie /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: ... no modules for
USB product c45/6029/101

/sbin/lsusb says...
Bus 002 Device 011: ID 0c45:6029


/proc/bus/usb/devices says...
T: Bus=02 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 11 Spd=12 MxCh= 0
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=0c45 ProdID=6029 Rev= 1.01
S: Product=USB camera
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=500mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E: Ad=81(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS= 0 Ivl=1ms
E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms
E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 1 Ivl=100ms
I: If#= 0 Alt= 1 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E: Ad=81(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS= 128 Ivl=1ms
E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms
E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 1 Ivl=100ms
I: If#= 0 Alt= 2 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E: Ad=81(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS= 256 Ivl=1ms
E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms
E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 1 Ivl=100ms
I: If#= 0 Alt= 3 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E: Ad=81(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS= 384 Ivl=1ms
E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms
E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 1 Ivl=100ms
I: If#= 0 Alt= 4 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E: Ad=81(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS= 512 Ivl=1ms
E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms
E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 1 Ivl=100ms
I: If#= 0 Alt= 5 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E: Ad=81(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS= 680 Ivl=1ms
E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms
E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 1 Ivl=100ms
I: If#= 0 Alt= 6 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E: Ad=81(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS= 800 Ivl=1ms
E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms
E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 1 Ivl=100ms
I: If#= 0 Alt= 7 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E: Ad=81(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS= 900 Ivl=1ms
E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms
E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 1 Ivl=100ms
I: If#= 0 Alt= 8 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E: Ad=81(I) Atr=01(Isoc) MxPS=1023 Ivl=1ms
E: Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms
E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 1 Ivl=100ms

I've googled both the name ("Centrios +Clearpix") and the model ("6029 CIF") and
come up empty. Some mention of the Logitech "WC10" driver for MSWindows in
conjunction with this camera lead nowhere as far as Linux goes.


2) My sister-in-law bought me a "Digitron Mini Digital Camera" from The Shopping
Channel for Christmas. This is a three-in-one camera: two levels of digital
still and a webcamera. Again, it came with MSWindows drivers that work properly.
MSWindows recognizes it as a "Dual Mode DSC (2770)".

/var/log/messages says...
Dec 26 00:09:19 bitsie /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup usbcam for USB product
2770/9120/100
Dec 26 00:09:19 bitsie /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Module setup usbcam for USB
product 2770/9120/100

/sbin/lsusb says...
Bus 002 Device 012: ID 2770:9120

/proc/bus/usb/devices says....
T: Bus=02 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 12 Spd=12 MxCh= 0
D: Ver= 1.10 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1
P: Vendor=2770 ProdID=9120 Rev= 1.00
S: Product=USB DIGITAL STILL CAMERA
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=500mA
I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E: Ad=81(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms
E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 64 Ivl=0ms
E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 1 Ivl=3ms


gtkam/gphoto2 recognize it as an Argus DC-1510, and shows the pictures as
something.PPM, but segfaults when trying to view or download the pictures.
Obviously, the camera isn't exactly an Argus DC-1510.



Can anyone make any suggestions wrt getting either of these two cameras to work
in Linux? I'm especially looking for the webcam access, but even digital camera
access to the "Digitron" camera would be OK.


--
Lew Pitcher

Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
Registered Linux User #112576 ([url]http://counter.li.org/[/url])
Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing.

In alt.os.linux.slackware Lew Pitcher <lpitcher@sympatico.ca> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Ok, I've got two USB Camera problems in Slackware 9.0 using a
> vanilla kernel 2.4.23.[/color]
[color=blue]
> 1) My wife bought me a "Centrios Clearpix Flexible Web Cam" from
> Radio Shack for Christmas. It is a 4 cm x 1.5 cm x 1.0 cm USB
> 1.1 connected web camera on a stiff flexible 30 cm long cable,
> intended for laptop use. It comes, of course, with the requisite
> MSWindows drivers and software. Linux kernel usb and hotplug
> support recognize it generally, but there seems not to be a
> driver for it. MSWindows calls it a "6029 CIF" PC Camera.[/color]

If you have the windows drivers you don't have a problem. Simply
use windows when you use the camera. I think you'll find the photo
editing software available for windows is far superior to that
available for linux.

Linux makes a dandy internet/file server but a professional
multimedia workstation requires windows.

cordially, as always,

rm

[email]justlinux@sympatico.ca[/email] wrote:
[nonsense as always]

Sorry, rm, but I'm not interested in /your/ opinion.

--
Lew Pitcher

Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
Registered Linux User #112576 ([url]http://counter.li.org/[/url])
Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing.

In alt.os.linux.slackware Lew Pitcher <lpitcher@sympatico.ca> wrote:[color=blue]
> [email]justlinux@sympatico.ca[/email] wrote:
> [nonsense as always][/color]
[color=blue]
> Sorry, rm, but I'm not interested in /your/ opinion.[/color]

Sorry, Lou, but others are. When are you going to join the pgp
trash crowd?

cordially, as always,

rm

[email]rlm@bcda.bcda.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> In alt.os.linux.slackware Lew Pitcher <lpitcher@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>justlinux@sympatico.ca wrote:
>>[nonsense as always][/color]
>
>[color=green]
>>Sorry, rm, but I'm not interested in /your/ opinion.[/color]
>
>
> Sorry, Lou, but others are. When are you going to join the pgp
> trash crowd?
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm[/color]

I probably shouldn't really respond, but here goes...

1. Your response was unhelpful and off-topic
2. This has *nothing* to do with pgp
3. Since *Lew* Pitcher was the OP, his opinion of your utterly useless
response seems relevant
4. Maybe we should take a quick vote of exactly who *is* interested in
yor response.

For those in comp.os.linux.* who may not know rm (if you do, my
condolences) he is our resident anti-pgp troll in aols.

Ross

Ross Axe wrote:[color=blue]
> [email]rlm@bcda.bcda.com[/email] wrote:
>[color=green]
>> In alt.os.linux.slackware Lew Pitcher <lpitcher@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> [email]justlinux@sympatico.ca[/email] wrote:
>>> [nonsense as always][/color]
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Sorry, rm, but I'm not interested in /your/ opinion.[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, Lou, but others are. When are you going to join the pgp
>> trash crowd?
>>
>> cordially, as always,
>>
>> rm[/color]
>
>
> I probably shouldn't really respond, but here goes...
>
> 1. Your response was unhelpful and off-topic
> 2. This has *nothing* to do with pgp
> 3. Since *Lew* Pitcher was the OP, his opinion of your utterly useless
> response seems relevant
> 4. Maybe we should take a quick vote of exactly who *is* interested in
> yor response.
>
> For those in comp.os.linux.* who may not know rm (if you do, my
> condolences) he is our resident anti-pgp troll in aols.
>
> Ross
>[/color]

Oh, and I must apologise profusely for that callous misspelling of
`your' which rm will undoubtably blame on Enigmail (Mozilla's GPG plugin
for those that don't know)

Ross

Lew Pitcher wrote:[color=blue]
> [email]justlinux@sympatico.ca[/email] wrote:
> [nonsense as always]
>
> Sorry, rm, but I'm not interested in /your/ opinion.
>[/color]

Wise opinion, Lew! I cna't help with the USB issue - haven't played with
it much myself - but I find that the GIMP does everything Photoshop
does, and in many instances does it better. The folks who insist you've
got to run Windows to do image manipulation need to buy a clue.

Dan

In alt.os.linux.slackware Ross Axe <ross.axe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:[color=blue]
> [email]rlm@bcda.bcda.com[/email] wrote:[color=green]
> > In alt.os.linux.slackware Lew Pitcher <lpitcher@sympatico.ca> wrote:[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>Sorry, rm, but I'm not interested in /your/ opinion.[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Sorry, Lou, but others are. When are you going to join the pgp
> > trash crowd?[/color]
> I probably shouldn't really respond, but here goes...[/color]
[color=blue]
> 1. Your response was unhelpful and off-topic[/color]

My response was not supposed to be helpful. It was a response to
an insult made to me by Mr. Pitcher. And it was dead on topic.
[color=blue]
> 2. This has *nothing* to do with pgp[/color]

And Mr. Pitcher's insult had nothing to do with "it."
[color=blue]
> 3. Since *Lew* Pitcher was the OP, his opinion of your utterly
> useless response seems relevant[/color]

Our original response was hardly useless. Using windows in his
situation is the best option. Whether Mr. Pitcher, or you, want to
hear that or not hardly changes the fact that his new computer's
video card will work with windows even though it won't work with
linux. And since there is little, if anything, that linux can do
that windows cannot do, he can put that new computer to work after
a 20 minute windows install. And that's assuming it didn't come
with windows pre-installed.
[color=blue]
> 4. Maybe we should take a quick vote of exactly who *is*
> interested in yor response.[/color]

Your vote is noted.
[color=blue]
> For those in comp.os.linux.* who may not know rm (if you do, my
> condolences) he is our resident anti-pgp troll in aols.[/color]

I am not a troll. You don't call somebody a "troll" because you
don't agree with them. As for being "anti-pgp", the unwarranted
use of inline pgp in a newsgroup violates usenet standards of
netiquette and is just plain stupid, not to mention annoying.

Your posting was designed simply to insult me. I wouldn't be
calling anyone else a "troll" if I were you. But then again, I am
not you, thank gawd.

cordially, as always,

rm

In alt.os.linux.slackware Dan Mahoney <dan@webfolks.us> wrote:[color=blue]
> Lew Pitcher wrote:[color=green]
> > [email]justlinux@sympatico.ca[/email] wrote:
> > [nonsense as always]
> >
> > Sorry, rm, but I'm not interested in /your/ opinion.
> >[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Wise opinion, Lew! I cna't help with the USB issue - haven't
> played with it much myself - but I find that the GIMP does
> everything Photoshop does, and in many instances does it better.
> The folks who insist you've got to run Windows to do image
> manipulation need to buy a clue.[/color]

I know gimp better than you, obviously. Gimp's counterpart is
Adobe Illustrator. Illustrator + Photoshop blow gimp away. Now if
you want to pretend otherwise that's your problem. But a
professional uses the best tool for the job. Pledging allegiance
to all things linux is the amateur's way.

cordially, as always,

rm

<rlm@bcda.bcda.com> wrote in message
news:9TiHb.16759$d%1.3785730@news20.bellglobal.com...[color=blue]
> In alt.os.linux.slackware Dan Mahoney <dan@webfolks.us> wrote:[color=green]
> > Lew Pitcher wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > [email]justlinux@sympatico.ca[/email] wrote:
> > > [nonsense as always]
> > >
> > > Sorry, rm, but I'm not interested in /your/ opinion.
> > >[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > Wise opinion, Lew! I cna't help with the USB issue - haven't
> > played with it much myself - but I find that the GIMP does
> > everything Photoshop does, and in many instances does it better.
> > The folks who insist you've got to run Windows to do image
> > manipulation need to buy a clue.[/color]
>
> I know gimp better than you, obviously. Gimp's counterpart is
> Adobe Illustrator. Illustrator + Photoshop blow gimp away. Now if
> you want to pretend otherwise that's your problem. But a
> professional uses the best tool for the job. Pledging allegiance
> to all things linux is the amateur's way.[/color]

Being a cheap bastard and avoiding unnecessarily proprietary standards,
however, is the Linux way. Gimp is a useful and very flexible tool, even for
us graphical amateurs, and doesn't involve some of the "conflicts with
scanners/camers/etc. drivers" problems of Photoshop.

<rlm@bcda.bcda.com> wrote in message
news:NOiHb.16745$d%1.3784057@news20.bellglobal.com...
[color=blue][color=green]
> > 3. Since *Lew* Pitcher was the OP, his opinion of your utterly
> > useless response seems relevant[/color]
>
> Our original response was hardly useless. Using windows in his
> situation is the best option. Whether Mr. Pitcher, or you, want to
> hear that or not hardly changes the fact that his new computer's
> video card will work with windows even though it won't work with
> linux. And since there is little, if anything, that linux can do
> that windows cannot do, he can put that new computer to work after
> a 20 minute windows install. And that's assuming it didn't come
> with windows pre-installed.[/color]

??? Let's see. Secure file service faster than Windows with Samba, DNS,
multiple simultaneous users, decently secure mail service, decent remote and
fully featured graphical clients, secure HTTP and FTP file service for
transferring those generated images to your clients, graceful software
updates, no DLL-hell, ghostscript built in for processing print jobs, better
print-handlinig than Windows, not having to be the local administrator to
use the scanner tools.

Not a single thing that Linux does better? Dude, what rock have you been
flagging your wagon under?
[color=blue][color=green]
> > For those in comp.os.linux.* who may not know rm (if you do, my
> > condolences) he is our resident anti-pgp troll in aols.[/color]
>
> I am not a troll. You don't call somebody a "troll" because you
> don't agree with them. As for being "anti-pgp", the unwarranted
> use of inline pgp in a newsgroup violates usenet standards of
> netiquette and is just plain stupid, not to mention annoying.[/color]

Bull****. It's been a reasonable .sig behavior since the $cientologists
started forging posts from their critics and trying to use them in court to
discredit them. If you want to make sure someone doesn't forge your name or
take your stuff out of context, it's an extremely reasonable bit of tagline.
[color=blue]
> Your posting was designed simply to insult me. I wouldn't be
> calling anyone else a "troll" if I were you. But then again, I am
> not you, thank gawd.[/color]

Definite troll. *plonk*.

> I know gimp better than you, obviously. Gimp's counterpart is[color=blue]
> Adobe Illustrator. Illustrator + Photoshop blow gimp away. Now if
> you want to pretend otherwise that's your problem. But a
> professional uses the best tool for the job. Pledging allegiance
> to all things linux is the amateur's way.[/color]

And pledging allegiance to all thing Microsoft isn't? Seriously, dude,
if you're going to be giving advice online, at least learn to give
*good* advice. If you want to recommend that people use that peculiar
collection of security holes and poorly performing DLLs linked together
by bad code that is Windows, please do so someplace other than in a
Linux newsgroups. There are reasons, you know, that newsgroups have
"linux" in the name, and it doesn't have anything to do with wanting to
hear mindless Windows propaganda.

Dan

In alt.os.linux.slackware Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net> wrote:[color=blue]
> <rlm@bcda.bcda.com> wrote in message[/color]
[color=blue]
> ??? Let's see. Secure file service faster than Windows with
> Samba, DNS, multiple simultaneous users, decently secure mail
> service, decent remote and fully featured graphical clients,
> secure HTTP and FTP file service for transferring those generated
> images to your clients, graceful software updates, no DLL-hell,
> ghostscript built in for processing print jobs, better
> print-handlinig than Windows, not having to be the local
> administrator to use the scanner tools.[/color]

Linux makes a decent server although I haven't looked at Windows
2003 yet. Linux printer support is about as bad as it gets and
linux doesn't have any sane scanner tools.
[color=blue]
> Not a single thing that Linux does better? Dude, what rock have
> you been flagging your wagon under?[/color]

You're a linux zealot.
[color=blue]
> Bull****. It's been a reasonable .sig behavior since the
> $cientologists started forging posts from their critics and
> trying to use them in court to discredit them. If you want to
> make sure someone doesn't forge your name or take your stuff out
> of context, it's an extremely reasonable bit of tagline.[/color]

Pgp doesn't prevent anybody from forging your address. The only
thing pgp does is prevent you from denying that you said something.

cordially, as always,

rm

In alt.os.linux.slackware Dan Mahoney <dan@webfolks.us> wrote:
[color=blue]
> And pledging allegiance to all thing Microsoft isn't? Seriously,
> dude, if you're going to be giving advice online, at least learn
> to give *good* advice. If you want to recommend that people use
> that peculiar collection of security holes and poorly performing
> DLLs linked together by bad code that is Windows, please do so
> someplace other than in a Linux newsgroups. There are reasons,
> you know, that newsgroups have "linux" in the name, and it
> doesn't have anything to do with wanting to hear mindless Windows
> propaganda.[/color]

I admitted that linux was a better choice for a server. But for
multimedia windows blows it away. That's hardly mindless
allegiance to microsoft. A quick look at the headers of this
posting will tell you that I am using linux right now. That's
because I like using a text-based program for usenet.

I like using the best tool for the job. Who makes that tool is not
a consideration for me. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with
suggesting that windows is more suited to a particular job than
linux even if it is a linux group.

Take your head out.

cordially, as always,

rm

> I admitted that linux was a better choice for a server. But for[color=blue]
> multimedia windows blows it away. That's hardly mindless
> allegiance to microsoft. A quick look at the headers of this
> posting will tell you that I am using linux right now. That's
> because I like using a text-based program for usenet.[/color]

If you want to believe that, then just go right ahead. Just don't waste
your time trying to convince me of that crap.
[color=blue]
> Take your head out.[/color]

Bite me.

[ f'up-to set ]
In article <vJnHb.17549$d%1.3932652@news20.bellglobal.com>,
<rlm@bcda.bcda.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> I admitted that linux was a better choice for a server. But for
> multimedia windows blows it away. That's hardly mindless[/color]

A recent computer with a recent version of Windows may indeed be a bit
easier to manage in such tasks. I agree with that. If, however, either
the machine or the Windows version is older than, say, XP, difficulties
begin to show up everywhere. The same is true when something in your
hardware is more recent than your Windows version.

I have a laptop which originally sold with Win98. (I bought it with no
OS.) Slackware 9.0 went on in minutes with no fuss, and Everything Just
Worked, even multimedia. I later had to install Win98, and I had to
chase down display and sound drivers before anything worked. Windows
regularly eats the partition table on it. I am not impressed.

And then you have the apples-vs.-oranges issue: you get far more in
terms of functionality with any GNU/Linux distro. Slackware comes with
the GIMP. I've not seen a Windows release which included anything near
that league. Perhaps we should compare the GIMP to Windows paint.exe?

Many of us in these newsgroups solely use GNU/Linux workstations. In
terms of most common "multimedia" wants, I doubt there's much of a gap
between Windows and Linux ... but I'll never know for sure, because I
will never buy another Windows license.
[color=blue]
> allegiance to microsoft. A quick look at the headers of this
> posting will tell you that I am using linux right now. That's[/color]

That buys you a bit of credibility IMV. However the decade of Usenet
agitation behind you tends to cancel it out. :)
[color=blue]
> I like using the best tool for the job. Who makes that tool is not
> a consideration for me.[/color]

To some extent, yes, the best tool, but to me the licensing is an issue
as well. It's not the best tool if it requires more from you than you
are willing to give. That's a personal determination.

There are many good essays at gnu.org which suggest why license terms
should be a consideration, so I'll just point you there and leave it at
that.

It's also worth noting the "open source" folks' non-ideological
arguments in favour of free software. For example, the trust you must
give blindly to your vendor: in GNU/Linux you can be much more confident
that there are no backdoors nor hidden malware features.
[color=blue]
> And there is absolutely nothing wrong with
> suggesting that windows is more suited to a particular job than
> linux even if it is a linux group.[/color]

Once again, your history is a factor, although in principle I will agree
here as well. I do think that Macs tend to be the platform of choice for
more professional graphic artists, BTW ... although that is irrelevant
in context of this thread. Who brought it up?

I hope you had a good Christmas, Roger. Thanks for easing up on the spew
a bit, and for choosing to post some useful content.
--
/dev/rob0 - preferred_email=i$((28*28+28))@softhome.net
or put "not-spam" or "/dev/rob0" in Subject header to reply

On Saturday 27 December 2003 17:20 [email]rlm@bcda.bcda.com[/email] wrote:
[color=blue]
> In alt.os.linux.slackware Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net>
> wrote:[color=green]
>> <rlm@bcda.bcda.com> wrote in message[/color]
>[color=green]
>> ??? Let's see. Secure file service faster than Windows with
>> Samba, DNS, multiple simultaneous users, decently secure mail
>> service, decent remote and fully featured graphical clients,
>> secure HTTP and FTP file service for transferring those generated
>> images to your clients, graceful software updates, no DLL-hell,
>> ghostscript built in for processing print jobs, better
>> print-handlinig than Windows, not having to be the local
>> administrator to use the scanner tools.[/color]
>
> Linux makes a decent server although I haven't looked at Windows
> 2003 yet. Linux printer support is about as bad as it gets and
> linux doesn't have any sane scanner tools.[/color]

Printing is sometimes its hell to setup, and I won't deny that. But
once setup, our printer drivers kick the windows drivers clear into the
next drainage for quality of output. Particularly if your printer is
an epson. I've also been running an epson 1250u scanner and getting
great results for a $100 scanner for quite some time. Crawl out from
under your windows equipt rock and smell the success once in a while.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Not a single thing that Linux does better? Dude, what rock have
>> you been flagging your wagon under?[/color]
>
> You're a linux zealot.
>[/color]
Damn betcha.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Bull****. It's been a reasonable .sig behavior since the
>> $cientologists started forging posts from their critics and
>> trying to use them in court to discredit them. If you want to
>> make sure someone doesn't forge your name or take your stuff out
>> of context, it's an extremely reasonable bit of tagline.[/color]
>
> Pgp doesn't prevent anybody from forging your address. The only
> thing pgp does is prevent you from denying that you said something.
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm[/color]

--
Cheers, Gene
A mostly retired old coot

On Saturday 27 December 2003 11:58 [email]rlm@bcda.bcda.com[/email] wrote:
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> In alt.os.linux.slackware Dan Mahoney <dan@webfolks.us> wrote:[color=green]
>> Lew Pitcher wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > [email]justlinux@sympatico.ca[/email] wrote:
>> > [nonsense as always]
>> >
>> > Sorry, rm, but I'm not interested in /your/ opinion.
>> >[/color][/color]
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>> Wise opinion, Lew! I cna't help with the USB issue - haven't
>> played with it much myself - but I find that the GIMP does
>> everything Photoshop does, and in many instances does it better.
>> The folks who insist you've got to run Windows to do image
>> manipulation need to buy a clue.[/color]
>
> I know gimp better than you, obviously. Gimp's counterpart is
> Adobe Illustrator. Illustrator + Photoshop blow gimp away. Now if
> you want to pretend otherwise that's your problem. But a
> professional uses the best tool for the job. Pledging allegiance
> to all things linux is the amateur's way.
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm[/color]

I've just got one question then: Why is a linux oriented newsgroup
saddled with a windows bible thumper?

Just curious. I mean, this groups name is "comp.os.LINUX.hardware"
according to the followup line I'm seeing displayed by knode?
Inquireing minds want to know.

--
Cheers, Gene
A mostly retired old coot

In alt.os.linux.slackware Gene <leave.me@alone.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Saturday 27 December 2003 11:58 [email]rlm@bcda.bcda.com[/email] wrote:[/color]
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> > I know gimp better than you, obviously. Gimp's counterpart is
> > Adobe Illustrator. Illustrator + Photoshop blow gimp away.
> > Now if you want to pretend otherwise that's your problem. But
> > a professional uses the best tool for the job. Pledging
> > allegiance to all things linux is the amateur's way.[/color][/color]
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> I've just got one question then: Why is a linux oriented
> newsgroup saddled with a windows bible thumper?[/color]

I am hardly a windoze bible thumper. I just believe in using the
best tools for any job I am going to do, whether that be linux,
unix, windows or MSDOS.
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> Just curious. I mean, this groups name is
> "comp.os.LINUX.hardware" according to the followup line I'm
> seeing displayed by knode? Inquireing minds want to know.[/color]

I am reading it from a different group. Not that it matters. If
the hardware won't run on linux then a suggestion to run it on
windows is totally valid in any group.

cordially, as always,

rm[color=blue]
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[email]justlinux@sympatico.ca[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
>
> If you have the windows drivers you don't have a problem. Simply
> use windows when you use the camera. I think you'll find the photo
> editing software available for windows is far superior to that
> available for linux.
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This must be the crappiest response I have ever read on this ng.
If this logic had prevailed when the first animals crawled out of the sea,
the complaint: "It hurts when I breathe air into my gills!"
would have been met with the response:
"Well, stay in the water, then."
and stopped evolution in its tracks.

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> Linux makes a dandy internet/file server but a professional
> multimedia workstation requires windows.
>[/color]

Bull. Try telling that to the good folks at Apple or the whole Hollywood
special effects /animation industry, and hear them roar!

/ End Flame /

OT:

-Have you contacted the manufacturers? You may be pleasantly surprised, and
it's a good thing to do on principle to encourage vendors to support their
products under Linux.

-Look for the latest unusual_devs.h additions (on the web and google groups)

-Small comfort now, but next time buy supported hardware. If everyone does
that, unsupported hardware will eventually disappear...

Sorry I don't have anything more definite, but I had to say my piece.

Good hunting.
Phil