Re: [Proftpd-user] timeout problem on large transfers
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It may be time, because uploading a 500kb file doesn=92t happen, and a =
6MB
does.
But it also can be size..
=20
From: [email]proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
[mailto:proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Frank =
Laczko
Jr.
Sent: s=E1bado, 13 de Outubro de 2007 10:41
To: [email]proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
Subject: Re: [Proftpd-user] timeout problem on large transfers
=20
What is interesting to me is that I have several FreeBSD boxes running
proftpd and do not have this problem on them. It only seems to be the =
Redhat
Enterprise Linux box that is having the problem.
=20
Is yours specific to time as well? Or size? Since I assume on the local =
lan
you got much better speed and therefore higher size throughput before it
crapped out.
=20
Frank
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jorge Bastos <mailto:mysql.jorge@decimal.pt> =20
To: [email]proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]=20
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 2:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Proftpd-user] timeout problem on large transfers
=20
That scenario is possible, but i also tryed to upload the same file =
inside
the LAN and the same happened.
I=92ll be waiting then.
=20
From: [email]proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
[mailto:proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Frank =
Laczko
Jr.
Sent: s=E1bado, 13 de Outubro de 2007 7:30
To: [email]proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
Subject: Re: [Proftpd-user] timeout problem on large transfers
=20
Hi Jorge
=20
It may turn out to be a router firewall issue possibly (Linksys), but =
since
I remote into the machine I cannot confirm that until I get on the local =
LAN
next week.=20
=20
I'll let you know if the problem still shows up when we take that piece =
of
equipment out of the picture :)
=20
Frank =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jorge Bastos <mailto:mysql.jorge@decimal.pt> =20
To: [email]proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]=20
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Proftpd-user] timeout problem on large transfers
=20
Hi Frank,
Do you have any progress on this?
I don=92t have any kind of errors=85 and this happens a lot with me.
=20
From: [email]proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
[mailto:proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Jorge =
Bastos
Sent: quinta-feira, 11 de Outubro de 2007 9:28
To: [email]proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
Subject: Re: [Proftpd-user] timeout problem on large transfers
=20
The problem that i posted about connection reset by peer may be the same =
as
this problem
=20
From: [email]proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
[mailto:proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Frank =
Laczko
Jr.
Sent: quinta-feira, 11 de Outubro de 2007 5:22
To: [email]proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
Subject: Re: [Proftpd-user] timeout problem on large transfers
=20
btw - forgot to add that the timeout is specific - 5 minutes and that =
this
is proftpd 1.30
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Frank Laczko Jr. <mailto:frankl@leftseat.net> =20
To: [email]proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: [Proftpd-user] timeout problem on large transfers
=20
Hi All=20
=20
I am having an odd problem with ProFTPd on Redhat Enterprise Linux 5.
=20
ProFTPd is running in standalone mode, with passive ports specified =
between
30000 and 35000. Other than setting the passive ports, the server name,
disabling anonymous ftp and setting up a transfer log, the proftpd.conf =
file
is all defaults. We have also tried it without setting the passive =
ports.
=20
Basically all is fine until we try to upload large files. When we do, =
the
client gets a timeout saying the server forcibly closed the connection. =
The
machine does have a firewall on it (iptables) but for testing purposes =
it
has been disabled with no change to the problem.
=20
One odd thing is that when the transfer aborts, a ps -ax on the server =
shows
the Proftpd SS daemon AND the client connection in STOR mode, even =
though
the connection has been aborted. This would lead me to think that the
firewall cut off the connection, but the firewall is disabled.
=20
I have tried setting the timeouts in proftpd high, as high as 30000 =
seconds
with no effect. Also the logs are not showing any errors, either in =
syslog
or the connection logging we have setup.
=20
Since the proftpd server still shows the client connection after it has
aborted (closed forcibly according to the client) I am more than a =
little
stumped.
=20
Any ideas anyone?=20
=20
Thanks
=20
Frank Laczko Jr.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91'>It may be time, because uploading a 500kb file =
doesn’t happen,
and a 6MB does.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91'>But it also can be size..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0cm 0cm 0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
[email]proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
[mailto:proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Frank
Laczko Jr.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> s=E1bado, 13 de Outubro de 2007 10:41<br>
<b>To:</b> [email]proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Proftpd-user] timeout problem on large =
transfers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What
is interesting to me is that I have several FreeBSD boxes running =
proftpd and
do not have this problem on them. It only seems to be the Redhat =
Enterprise
Linux box that is having the problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Is
yours specific to time as well? Or size? Since I assume on the local lan =
you
got much better speed and therefore higher size throughput before it =
crapped
out.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Frank<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black =
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margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'=[color=blue]
>[/color]
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:mysql.jorge@decimal.pt"
title=3D"mysql.jorge@decimal.pt">Jorge Bastos</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b=[color=blue]
><span[/color]
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href=3D"mailto:proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net"
title=3D"proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net">proftp-user@lists.sourceforge=
..net</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span><=
/b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Saturday, =
October
13, 2007 2:25 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</spa=
n></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: =
[Proftpd-user]
timeout problem on large transfers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91'>That scenario is possible, but i also tryed to upload the =
same
file inside the LAN and the same happened.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91'>I’ll be waiting then.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0cm 0cm 0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href=3D"mailto:proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net">proftp-user-bou=
[email]nces@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]</a>
[mailto:proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Frank
Laczko Jr.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> s=E1bado, 13 de Outubro de 2007 7:30<br>
<b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net">proftp-user@lists.sourc=
eforge.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Proftpd-user] timeout problem on large =
transfers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi
Jorge</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It
may turn out to be a router firewall issue possibly (Linksys), but =
since I
remote into the machine I cannot confirm that until I get on the local =
LAN next
week. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'll
let you know if the problem still shows up when we take that piece of =
equipment
out of the picture :)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Frank <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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>[/color]
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:mysql.jorge@decimal.pt"
title=3D"mysql.jorge@decimal.pt">Jorge Bastos</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b=[color=blue]
><span[/color]
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href=3D"mailto:proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net"
title=3D"proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net">proftp-user@lists.sourceforge=
..net</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span><=
/b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Friday, =
October 12,
2007 3:31 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</spa=
n></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: =
[Proftpd-user]
timeout problem on large transfers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91'>Hi Frank,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91'>Do you have any progress on this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91'>I don’t have any kind of errors… and this =
happens a lot with me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#365F91'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0cm 0cm 0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href=3D"mailto:proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net">proftp-user-bou=
[email]nces@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]</a>
[mailto:proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Jorge
Bastos<br>
<b>Sent:</b> quinta-feira, 11 de Outubro de 2007 9:28<br>
<b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net">proftp-user@lists.sourc=
eforge.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Proftpd-user] timeout problem on large =
transfers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The problem that i posted about connection reset by peer =
may be
the same as this problem<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0cm 0cm 0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
[email]proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
[mailto:proftp-user-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Frank
Laczko Jr.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> quinta-feira, 11 de Outubro de 2007 5:22<br>
<b>To:</b> [email]proftp-user@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Proftpd-user] timeout problem on large =
transfers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>btw
- forgot to add that the timeout is specific - 5 minutes and that this =
is proftpd
1.30</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
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[Proftpd-user]
timeout problem on large transfers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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am having an odd problem with ProFTPd on Redhat Enterprise Linux =
5.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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is running in standalone mode, with passive ports specified between =
30000 and
35000. Other than setting the passive ports, the server name, =
disabling
anonymous ftp and setting up a transfer log, the proftpd.conf file =
is all
defaults. We have also tried it without setting the passive =
ports.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Basically
all is fine until we try to upload large files. When we do, the client =
gets a
timeout saying the server forcibly closed the connection. The machine =
does have
a firewall on it (iptables) but for testing purposes it has been =
disabled with
no change to the problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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odd thing is that when the transfer aborts, a ps -ax on the server shows =
the
Proftpd SS daemon AND the client connection in STOR mode, even though =
the
connection has been aborted. This would lead me to think that the =
firewall cut
off the connection, but the firewall is disabled.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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have tried setting the timeouts in proftpd high, as high as 30000 =
seconds with
no effect. Also the logs are not showing any errors, either in syslog or =
the
connection logging we have setup.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Since
the proftpd server still shows the client connection after it has =
aborted
(closed forcibly according to the client) I am more than a little =
stumped.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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ideas anyone? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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