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This is a discussion on [9fans] video of an acme session - Plan9 ; here's a screen capture of an acme session that might be useful to those who are new to acme. i've put the tools (mspy script and tippi.c) that were used to follow the mouse buttons on sources. with brucee's help ...

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  1. [9fans] video of an acme session

    here's a screen capture of an acme session that might be useful to
    those who are new to acme. i've put the tools (mspy script and
    tippi.c) that were used to follow the mouse buttons on sources. with
    brucee's help it went together quickly and he did the hard bit in mspy
    plumbing.

    i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft).

    http://www.rangboom.com/videos/acme_session.wmv


  2. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    no, skip did most of the work. i just reminded him how neat
    plan9 is and, as usual, that most of the work is already done
    for you.

    brucee

    On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
    > here's a screen capture of an acme session that might be useful to
    > those who are new to acme. i've put the tools (mspy script and
    > tippi.c) that were used to follow the mouse buttons on sources. with
    > brucee's help it went together quickly and he did the hard bit in mspy
    > plumbing.
    >
    > i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft).
    >
    > http://www.rangboom.com/videos/acme_session.wmv


  3. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    > i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft).

    that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
    on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
    (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)

    Axel.

  4. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session


    I cheated and used XP on Parallels. Usually, Flip4Mac works with .wmvs,
    but not this time. Is there supposed to be an audio track?

    -GBA




    > > i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft).

    >
    > that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
    > on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
    > (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)
    >
    > Axel.
    >



  5. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    > I cheated and used XP on Parallels. Usually, Flip4Mac works with .wmvs,
    > but not this time. Is there supposed to be an audio track?


    if i had a voice like forsyth, there might have been one.

    besides, we didn't want to wake up tippi.


  6. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    Ah, I love how 9fans has become a mac tech support group...

    Maybe it is time we offocially rename the list to jobsFans or something.

    uriel

    On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Geoffrey Avila wrote:
    >
    > I cheated and used XP on Parallels. Usually, Flip4Mac works with .wmvs,
    > but not this time. Is there supposed to be an audio track?
    >
    > -GBA
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > > i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft).

    > >
    > > that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
    > > on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
    > > (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)
    > >
    > > Axel.
    > >

    >
    >


  7. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    > that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
    > on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
    > (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)


    maybe somebody can transcode it to mp4 or flash video.


  8. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    gotta love gmail ads ...

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    give them a call!

    brucee

    On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Uriel wrote:
    > Ah, I love how 9fans has become a mac tech support group...
    >
    > Maybe it is time we offocially rename the list to jobsFans or something.
    >
    > uriel
    >
    >
    > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Geoffrey Avila wrote:
    > >
    > > I cheated and used XP on Parallels. Usually, Flip4Mac works with .wmvs,
    > > but not this time. Is there supposed to be an audio track?
    > >
    > > -GBA
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > > > i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft).
    > > >
    > > > that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
    > > > on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
    > > > (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)
    > > >
    > > > Axel.
    > > >

    > >
    > >

    >


  9. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    In case anyone's interested, here's a quick and dirty reencode in h264:

    http://www.ipgp.jussieu.fr/~lonjaret/acme_session.avi

    my encoding skills are rusty and it seems mencoder does not deal well
    with .wmv as input, that's why the size is way bigger than the
    original :/
    but hey, b/w is cheap nowadays...
    If requested, I'll try to do a better one later.

    Cheers,
    Mathieu.

    On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 02:42:04AM -0800, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
    > > that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
    > > on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
    > > (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)

    >
    > maybe somebody can transcode it to mp4 or flash video.
    >


    --
    GPG key on subkeys.pgp.net:

    KeyID: | Fingerprint:
    683DE5F3 | 4324 5818 39AA 9545 95C6 09AF B0A4 DFEA 683D E5F3
    --

  10. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    thanks Mathieu, Skip, Brucee; looking at it now.

    Axel.

    > In case anyone's interested, here's a quick and dirty reencode in h264:
    >
    > http://www.ipgp.jussieu.fr/~lonjaret/acme_session.avi
    >
    > my encoding skills are rusty and it seems mencoder does not deal well
    > with .wmv as input, that's why the size is way bigger than the
    > original :/
    > but hey, b/w is cheap nowadays...
    > If requested, I'll try to do a better one later.
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Mathieu.
    >
    > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 02:42:04AM -0800, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
    > > > that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
    > > > on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
    > > > (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)

    > >
    > > maybe somebody can transcode it to mp4 or flash video.
    > >

    >
    > --
    > GPG key on subkeys.pgp.net:
    >
    > KeyID: | Fingerprint:
    > 683DE5F3 | 4324 5818 39AA 9545 95C6 09AF B0A4 DFEA 683D E5F3
    > --


  11. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    > > that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice;
    > > on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it.
    > > (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?)

    >
    > maybe somebody can transcode it to mp4 or flash video.


    for mac users:
    http://www.rangboom.com/videos/acme_session.mov

    fearing reprisal, the person who created the quicktime version wants
    to stay anonymous. so, on behalf of myself and the entire mac support
    team we would like to thank "audrey" for doing this ☺


  12. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    There's something broken in that video. The mouse doesn't move to the
    selection on a button 3 operation.

    -rob

  13. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    > There's something broken in that video. The mouse doesn't move to the
    > selection on a button 3 operation.


    good eye. yes i noticed it and briefly discussed it with brucee last night. i'm looking
    at it now.

    i fixed the (lack of) redrawing in tippi window after a move or reshape but before
    any mouse activity.


  14. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    somehow, i was only able to reproduce the bug if i had some selected
    text in the tag bar, and tried to click over it with the 3rd button.
    i'm not sure if that's the intended behavior, but it seems that it was
    triggered by the expand function in /sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c.

    /* if in selection, choose selection */
    e->jump = TRUE;
    if(q1==q0 && t->q1>t->q0 && t->q0<=q0 && q0<=t->q1){
    q0 = t->q0;
    q1 = t->q1;
    if(t->what == Tag)
    e->jump = FALSE;
    }

    removing the if along with it's body fixes it for me.

    regards.

    felipe

    On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
    > > There's something broken in that video. The mouse doesn't move to the
    > > selection on a button 3 operation.

    >
    > good eye. yes i noticed it and briefly discussed it with brucee last night. i'm looking
    > at it now.
    >
    > i fixed the (lack of) redrawing in tippi window after a move or reshape but before
    > any mouse activity.
    >
    >


  15. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    just to be clear, i meant the t->what == Tag check.

    On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Felipe Bichued wrote:
    > somehow, i was only able to reproduce the bug if i had some selected
    > text in the tag bar, and tried to click over it with the 3rd button.
    > i'm not sure if that's the intended behavior, but it seems that it was
    > triggered by the expand function in /sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c.
    >
    > /* if in selection, choose selection */
    > e->jump = TRUE;
    > if(q1==q0 && t->q1>t->q0 && t->q0<=q0 && q0<=t->q1){
    > q0 = t->q0;
    > q1 = t->q1;
    > if(t->what == Tag)
    > e->jump = FALSE;
    > }
    >
    > removing the if along with it's body fixes it for me.
    >
    > regards.
    >
    > felipe
    >
    >
    >
    > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
    > > > There's something broken in that video. The mouse doesn't move to the
    > > > selection on a button 3 operation.

    > >
    > > good eye. yes i noticed it and briefly discussed it with brucee last night. i'm looking
    > > at it now.
    > >
    > > i fixed the (lack of) redrawing in tippi window after a move or reshape but before
    > > any mouse activity.
    > >
    > >

    >


  16. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    > > There's something broken in that video. The mouse doesn't move to the
    > > selection on a button 3 operation.

    >
    > good eye. yes i noticed it and briefly discussed it with brucee last night. i'm looking
    > at it now.


    this is almost never acme's fault.

    probably you were using vnc to connect,
    and your vnc client doesn't support being
    told by the server to move the mouse cursor.

    > somehow, i was only able to reproduce the bug if i had some selected
    > text in the tag bar, and tried to click over it with the 3rd button.
    > i'm not sure if that's the intended behavior


    it is.

    russ


  17. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    > just to be clear, i meant the t->what == Tag check.

    that's not the problem. moveto is getting called (/sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c:149)
    it also happens if you start rio with mspy. it's deeper.


  18. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    > this is almost never acme's fault.

    that's right.

    > probably you were using vnc to connect,
    > and your vnc client doesn't support being
    > told by the server to move the mouse cursor.


    i was using drawterm. without tippi in between, it works as expected, but
    the moveto has no effect with it in the mix. just verified that the same thing
    happens with term.


  19. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    > that's not the problem. moveto is getting called (/sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c:149)
    > it also happens if you start rio with mspy. it's deeper.


    all good. this is just another fine example of the XY problem.

  20. Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

    On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Felipe Bichued wrote:
    > all good. this is just another fine example of the XY problem.


    ¿Todos los problemas son masculinos?

    When I was learning Spanish, I used to always screw up the gender of
    the Greek words until I learned that all Greek words were masculine.
    My female prof liked to remind me/us by saying, "All problems are
    masculine." I always thought it was a clever mnemonic device and jab.

    Felipe's point being that the dearth of female coders in the Plan 9
    community is the core of the problem.

    -Jack

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