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Fa la la <cat@meow.com> writes:
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> [url]http://www.access.co.jp/english/press/060214.html[/url][/color]
I sort of figured PalmOS was, to all intents and purposes, dead a
while ago (which is really a shame; my Samsung i300 is a great little
phone/PDA). This article is the first thing I've found that shows
hope of giving an upgrade path to native Linux applications (without
getting into OS wars, I use Linux for virtually all my computing other
than my phone; running my phone on the same platform could have some
advantages for me). Also, it looks like they're planning a GTK-based
interface, and I do a lot of GTk programming.
For a while Motorola was looking good to me as a Linux phone, but they
seem to be taking a very closed, "there's Linux in there but all you
get is Java" approach. Besides which, even if I could get into their
device, it would be an abrupt change rather than a gradual switchover.
Now if my phone will just hang on until one of these devices is on the
market...
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Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University [url]http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer[/url]
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Joe Pfeiffer wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Fa la la <cat@meow.com> writes:
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> > [url]http://www.access.co.jp/english/press/060214.html[/url][/color]
>
> I sort of figured PalmOS was, to all intents and purposes, dead a
> while ago (which is really a shame; my Samsung i300 is a great little
> phone/PDA). This article is the first thing I've found that shows
> hope of giving an upgrade path to native Linux applications (without
> getting into OS wars, I use Linux for virtually all my computing other
> than my phone; running my phone on the same platform could have some
> advantages for me). Also, it looks like they're planning a GTK-based
> interface, and I do a lot of GTk programming.
>
> For a while Motorola was looking good to me as a Linux phone, but they
> seem to be taking a very closed, "there's Linux in there but all you
> get is Java" approach. Besides which, even if I could get into their
> device, it would be an abrupt change rather than a gradual switchover.
>
> Now if my phone will just hang on until one of these devices is on the
> market...[/color]
Ya gotta wonder... If the death of PalmOS is imminent, why are phones,
such as the Treo 700, currently being released?
Notan
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:05:12 -0700, Notan wrote:
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> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> Fa la la <cat@meow.com> writes:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > [url]http://www.access.co.jp/english/press/060214.html[/url][/color]
>>
>> I sort of figured PalmOS was, to all intents and purposes, dead a
>> while ago (which is really a shame; my Samsung i300 is a great little
>> phone/PDA). This article is the first thing I've found that shows
>> hope of giving an upgrade path to native Linux applications (without
>> getting into OS wars, I use Linux for virtually all my computing other
>> than my phone; running my phone on the same platform could have some
>> advantages for me). Also, it looks like they're planning a GTK-based
>> interface, and I do a lot of GTk programming.
>>
>> For a while Motorola was looking good to me as a Linux phone, but they
>> seem to be taking a very closed, "there's Linux in there but all you
>> get is Java" approach. Besides which, even if I could get into their
>> device, it would be an abrupt change rather than a gradual switchover.
>>
>> Now if my phone will just hang on until one of these devices is on the
>> market...[/color]
>
> Ya gotta wonder... If the death of PalmOS is imminent, why are phones,
> such as the Treo 700, currently being released?
>
> Notan[/color]
Amusing that you mention the Treo 700, which ships with Windows Mobile as
OS.
I personally can't wait to get my hands on one of those Linux-palms in the
near future... hope they make it as open as possible as a platform, until
then, I'll stick to my TX. boy, would that be great if they managed to
make it backwards-compatible, so I could put their Palm/linux onto my then
old TX! but I guess that's just too much of wishful thinking.
Notan <notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> writes:[color=blue]
>
> Ya gotta wonder... If the death of PalmOS is imminent, why are phones,
> such as the Treo 700, currently being released?[/color]
"Imminent" does not mean "already dead." While new phones I'd want to
replace mine with have been conspicuously absent lately (I don't want
a thumb keyboard... I like Graffiti), what seemed to me to be the
sign I should be looking for another platform was when the Treo 700W
was announced. If palm.com is going to Windows, I don't see much
future in PalmOS.
--
Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University [url]http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer[/url]
skype: jjpfeifferjr
In article <1140068584_109@pnews.internode.on.net>,
Fa la la <cat@meow.com> wrote:
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> [url]http://www.access.co.jp/english/press/060214.html[/url][/color]
Why do you say "RIP"? All the Palm functionality will still be there,
and more, and it runs on Linux.
It's just an evolution, not an extinction.
"David M." <nospam@me.com> writes:[color=blue]
>
> I personally can't wait to get my hands on one of those Linux-palms in the
> near future... hope they make it as open as possible as a platform, until
> then, I'll stick to my TX. boy, would that be great if they managed to
> make it backwards-compatible, so I could put their Palm/linux onto my then
> old TX! but I guess that's just too much of wishful thinking.[/color]
When they say "native Linux applications", that's what I'm hoping.
As for the TX... at least it uses the ARM processor, so it might not
be impossible. But I'll agree with you that it's probably wishful
thinking, alas.
--
Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University [url]http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer[/url]
skype: jjpfeifferjr
Guy Bannis <guy@ether.net> writes:
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> In article <1140068584_109@pnews.internode.on.net>,
> Fa la la <cat@meow.com> wrote:
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> > [url]http://www.access.co.jp/english/press/060214.html[/url][/color]
>
> Why do you say "RIP"? All the Palm functionality will still be there,
> and more, and it runs on Linux.
>
> It's just an evolution, not an extinction.[/color]
Putting up the tombstone is premature, but to me it looks like
planning an upgrade path away from PalmOS for customers.
--
Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University [url]http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer[/url]
skype: jjpfeifferjr
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:[color=blue]
> Guy Bannis <guy@ether.net> writes:
>[color=green]
>> In article <1140068584_109@pnews.internode.on.net>,
>> Fa la la <cat@meow.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://www.access.co.jp/english/press/060214.html[/url][/color]
>> Why do you say "RIP"? All the Palm functionality will still be there,
>> and more, and it runs on Linux.
>>
>> It's just an evolution, not an extinction.[/color]
>
> Putting up the tombstone is premature, but to me it looks like
> planning an upgrade path away from PalmOS for customers.[/color]
It looks to me that they are looking for a development path that will
maintain compatibility with existing software, but provide an OS that is
built on a platform that can provide improved functionality for future
devices. It looks to me that it is what Cobalt was meant to be. I'd
definitely not say PalmOS is RIP, more like migrating to PalmOS 7. Just
as OS5 was a major upgrade from OS4, that did cause a few compatibility
issues but gave much greater functionality, this looks to me like a
similar jump.
Being built on Linux, PalmOS app compatibility will presumably be done
through a compatibility layer, so that apps think they are running on a
native palmos device. Makes me wonder if it would be possible to do a
similar thing for PPC apps - It would be fantastic to be able to buy one
device and run both PPC and palm apps on it.
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:[color=blue]
> Notan <notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> writes:
>[color=green]
>>Ya gotta wonder... If the death of PalmOS is imminent, why are phones,
>>such as the Treo 700, currently being released?[/color]
>
>
> "Imminent" does not mean "already dead." While new phones I'd want to
> replace mine with have been conspicuously absent lately (I don't want
> a thumb keyboard... I like Graffiti), what seemed to me to be the
> sign I should be looking for another platform was when the Treo 700W
> was announced. If palm.com is going to Windows, I don't see much
> future in PalmOS.[/color]
I think the jury is still out on the success of the Windows Treo.
Meanwhile, unless all the rumours are wrong, there are three Palm OS
Treos on their way this year. I sure hope the Palm OS will be around for
awhile.
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
RonB <ronb02@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>
>Joe Pfeiffer wrote:[color=green]
>> Notan <notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> writes:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Ya gotta wonder... If the death of PalmOS is imminent, why are phones,
>>>such as the Treo 700, currently being released?[/color]
>>
>>
>> "Imminent" does not mean "already dead." While new phones I'd want to
>> replace mine with have been conspicuously absent lately (I don't want
>> a thumb keyboard... I like Graffiti), what seemed to me to be the
>> sign I should be looking for another platform was when the Treo 700W
>> was announced. If palm.com is going to Windows, I don't see much
>> future in PalmOS.[/color]
>
>I think the jury is still out on the success of the Windows Treo.
>Meanwhile, unless all the rumours are wrong, there are three Palm OS
>Treos on their way this year. I sure hope the Palm OS will be around for
>awhile.
>[/color]
Windows is dead with every new release of Mac, and if we all would only
chuck our pcs the "prediction" would prove out. Same principle here - if MS
tells the lie enough, we'll all believe it.
--
Regan Lear
On 2006-02-17 07:27:51 +1100, Guy Bannis <guy@ether.net> said:
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> In article <1140068584_109@pnews.internode.on.net>,
> Fa la la <cat@meow.com> wrote:
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>> [url]http://www.access.co.jp/english/press/060214.html[/url][/color]
>
> Why do you say "RIP"? All the Palm functionality will still be there,
> and more, and it runs on Linux.
>
> It's just an evolution, not an extinction.[/color]
That's sort of like saying that OS X didn't mean the death of OS 9 -
after all, all the OS 9 functionality remained (and more), and it runs
on BSD Unix. Sure, OS X is evolutionary, but it rendered OS 9 extinct,
as evolutions have a way of doing.
So while we might disagree on the timing, it's still RIP Palm OS.
fa
David M. schrieb:
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>I personally can't wait to get my hands on one of those Linux-palms in the
>near future... hope they make it as open as possible as a platform, until
>then, I'll stick to my TX. boy, would that be great if they managed to
>make it backwards-compatible, so I could put their Palm/linux onto my then
>old TX! but I guess that's just too much of wishful thinking.[/color]
That would be fine.
As long as the synchronisation and the conduits work fine as usual with
Palm/Linux systems I'll still use but. But if it happens (like on
Windows devices) that you can only sync with Outlook and have double
entries than it's a step into the wrong direction.
Captain's log. On StarDate Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:43:07 +1100 received comm from Fa
la la <cat@meow.com> on channel comp.sys.palmtops:
: [url]http://www.access.co.jp/english/press/060214.html[/url]
Yes, it happened finally, but at the same time also very expected!
I don't buy the "compatibility layer" makes Linux into PalmOS -- there is a good
technical reason why the PalmOS market is fading away -- it's simply not a very
good or modern OS.
PalmOS is dead (or almost as some other point out), but I absolutely think it's
only a GOOD thing that Access corp is tossing it in the bin, and instead migrate
customers and applications to a Linux base instead.
martin
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Captain's log. On StarDate Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:14:56 +1000 received comm from
Graham Fountain <ask@and.find.out> on channel comp.sys.palmtops:
: Being built on Linux, PalmOS app compatibility will presumably be done
: through a compatibility layer, so that apps think they are running on a
: native palmos device. Makes me wonder if it would be possible to do a
: similar thing for PPC apps - It would be fantastic to be able to buy one
: device and run both PPC and palm apps on it.
Emulators, virtual machines and translation layers isn't that high tech, and
rather very common standard technologies since many, many years now -- so if
there is a demand for that it will be fully possible to do.
(That said -- it doesn't make a new OS into an old one -- it still a very
separate piece of software layer.)
martin
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In article <nn8bv1djhjlnhtttu8dj3b17rih5tqnjuq@4ax.com>,
Martin T <martinot@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Captain's log. On StarDate Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:43:07 +1100 received comm from
> Fa
> la la <cat@meow.com> on channel comp.sys.palmtops:
>
> : [url]http://www.access.co.jp/english/press/060214.html[/url]
>
> Yes, it happened finally, but at the same time also very expected!
>
> I don't buy the "compatibility layer" makes Linux into PalmOS -- there is a
> good
> technical reason why the PalmOS market is fading away -- it's simply not a
> very
> good or modern OS.
>
> PalmOS is dead (or almost as some other point out), but I absolutely think
> it's
> only a GOOD thing that Access corp is tossing it in the bin, and instead
> migrate
> customers and applications to a Linux base instead.[/color]
If the OS is still made by Palm, it's a Palm OS ... Doesn't matter what
it consists of.
Now, the Palm name can only be used by [url]www.palm.com[/url], the hardware maker.
They bought the exclusive rights to the name last year from PalmSource.
So the OS can no longer be called the Palm OS. Hence Access Linux
Platform, or whatever.
In article <1140162453_2006@pnews.internode.on.net>,
Fa la la <cat@meow.com> wrote:
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> On 2006-02-17 07:27:51 +1100, Guy Bannis <guy@ether.net> said:
>[color=green]
> > In article <1140068584_109@pnews.internode.on.net>,
> > Fa la la <cat@meow.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> [url]http://www.access.co.jp/english/press/060214.html[/url][/color]
> >
> > Why do you say "RIP"? All the Palm functionality will still be there,
> > and more, and it runs on Linux.
> >
> > It's just an evolution, not an extinction.[/color]
>
> That's sort of like saying that OS X didn't mean the death of OS 9 -
> after all, all the OS 9 functionality remained (and more), and it runs
> on BSD Unix. Sure, OS X is evolutionary, but it rendered OS 9 extinct,
> as evolutions have a way of doing.[/color]
No. It means that OS X didn't mean the death of the Mac OS. It's still a
Mac OS.
Palm Garnet made Palm OS 3 and earlier obsolete, but no one said the
Palm OS "died."
(See my other post on why the "Palm" OS really is going away -- because
Access doesn't have the right to use the word "Palm.")
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> Palm Garnet made Palm OS 3 and earlier obsolete, but no one said the
> Palm OS "died."[/color]
Yes but I can still run most PalmOS 3.x programs on my PalmOS 5.4 machine.
If the new OS won't run a majority of the existing apps then by all common usage
of the term, "dead", the old PalmOS is dead.
Tom Lake
Guy Bannis <guy@ether.net> writes:
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> If the OS is still made by Palm, it's a Palm OS ... Doesn't matter what
> it consists of.
>
> Now, the Palm name can only be used by [url]www.palm.com[/url], the hardware maker.
> They bought the exclusive rights to the name last year from PalmSource.
>
> So the OS can no longer be called the Palm OS. Hence Access Linux
> Platform, or whatever.[/color]
While true, this isn't really relevant to the discussion. When I talk
about the PalmOS, I mean the API and user interface I'm used to
calling the PalmOS. I don't much care whether it's called PalmOS or
Fred; likewise, if Palm were to decide to use the term to describe
Microsoft PPC running on a Palm device it wouldn't be what I mean when
I say PalmOS. This description leaves me open to charges of being
idiosyncratic ('When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather
scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more
nor less'), but I rather expect this is the most common usage of the
terms, and what most people in this thread have in mind.
It remains that the Access Linux Platform appears to be the first hope
of a graceful migration path away from PalmOS that I've seen...
--
Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University [url]http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer[/url]
Captain's log. On StarDate Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:36:47 GMT received comm from Guy
Bannis <guy@ether.net> on channel comp.sys.palmtops:
: In article <1140162453_2006@pnews.internode.on.net>,
: Fa la la <cat@meow.com> wrote:
:
: > On 2006-02-17 07:27:51 +1100, Guy Bannis <guy@ether.net> said:
: >
: > > In article <1140068584_109@pnews.internode.on.net>,
: > > Fa la la <cat@meow.com> wrote:
: > >
: > >> [url]http://www.access.co.jp/english/press/060214.html[/url]
: > >
: > > Why do you say "RIP"? All the Palm functionality will still be there,
: > > and more, and it runs on Linux.
: > >
: > > It's just an evolution, not an extinction.
: >
: > That's sort of like saying that OS X didn't mean the death of OS 9 -
: > after all, all the OS 9 functionality remained (and more), and it runs
: > on BSD Unix. Sure, OS X is evolutionary, but it rendered OS 9 extinct,
: > as evolutions have a way of doing.
:
: No. It means that OS X didn't mean the death of the Mac OS. It's still a
: Mac OS.
No.
Yes, it has (partly) the same market name (today, used to be NextStep before
Apple bougth the OS from Next).
Mac OS 1-9 is a *completely* different OS from Mac OS X.
It's the same with Windows 1.0 - ME who is a *completely* different OS from
Windows NT/2000/XP/2003/Vista, and both those *completely* different to Windows
CE/HPC/Pocket PC/Mobile.
martin
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