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  1. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:28:44 -0500, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:51:07 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>>>> evasion?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>
    >>>> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>
    >>>Non sequitur.

    >>
    >> How ironic.

    >
    >No surprise there, really.


    Unsubstantiated presuppository, a"h.


  2. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:29:13 -0500, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:56:09 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:51:07 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.

    >
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>>>>>> evasion?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>
    >>>> How ironic.
    >>>
    >>>Note: no response.

    >>
    >> On your part, a"h.

    >
    >Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?


    Non sequitur, a"h.


  3. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    ah wrote:
    > Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>> evasion?
    >>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > Classic evasion, Grubman.


    Classic interjection, ah.

    Gonad

  4. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:28:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >
    >> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>>> evasion?
    >>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >> Classic evasion, Grubman.

    >
    > Classic unsubstantiated presupposition laced with invective, as can
    > only be expected from someone who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >
    >

    Half time again! .

  5. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:28:44 -0500, ah wrote:
    >
    >> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:51:07 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>>>>> evasion?
    >>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>> Non sequitur.
    >>> How ironic.

    >> No surprise there, really.

    >
    > Unsubstantiated presuppository, a"h.
    >

    Is this a 2 or 5 min debate?

  6. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:29:13 -0500, ah wrote:
    >
    >> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:56:09 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:51:07 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>>>>>>> evasion?
    >>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>> Non sequitur.
    >>>>> How ironic.
    >>>> Note: no response.
    >>> On your part, a"h.

    >> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > Non sequitur, a"h.
    >

    Dong!!

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