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  1. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>
    >>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>
    >>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >>
    >> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.

    >
    >Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?


    Classic evasion, a"h.


  2. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>
    >>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>
    >>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.

    >>
    >>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > Classic evasion, a"h.


    Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    --
    ah

  3. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>
    >>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>
    >>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >>
    >> Classic evasion, a"h.

    >
    >Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?


    You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.


  4. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>
    >>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>
    >>> Classic evasion, a"h.

    >>
    >>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.


    Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    --
    ah

  5. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>
    >>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>
    >>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >>
    >> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.

    >
    >Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?


    What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    evasion?


  6. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.

    >> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    > evasion?
    >

    Someone turn off the record please!

  7. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>
    >>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>
    >>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.

    >>
    >>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    > evasion?


    Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    --
    ah

  8. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>
    >>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>
    >>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >>
    >> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >> evasion?

    >
    >Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?


    Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?



  9. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:10:02 -0000, Eli Grubman wrote:

    > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:02:12 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:53:14 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>
    >>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>
    >>> Classic misrepresentation, as can be expected from someone totally
    >>> lacking clue.

    >>
    >> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.

    >
    > On your part, a"h.


    Of course gr~ub-man


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  10. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>
    >>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>
    >>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>> evasion?

    >>
    >>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?


    Non sequitur.
    --
    ah

  11. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:51:07 -0500, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>
    >>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>> evasion?
    >>>
    >>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >>
    >> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    >Non sequitur.


    How ironic.


  12. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:51:07 -0500, ah wrote:
    >
    >> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>>> evasion?
    >>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >> Non sequitur.

    >
    > How ironic.
    >

    Non suckaturd.

  13. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:51:07 -0500, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>>> evasion?
    >>>>
    >>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>
    >>> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >>
    >>Non sequitur.

    >
    > How ironic.


    Note: no response.
    --
    ah

  14. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:56:09 -0500, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:51:07 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>>>> evasion?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>
    >>>> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>
    >>>Non sequitur.

    >>
    >> How ironic.

    >
    >Note: no response.


    On your part, a"h.


  15. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 04:42:26 -0000, Eli Grubman wrote:

    > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> How ironic.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>
    >>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>
    >>> Classic pontification, a"h.

    >>
    >> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > Erroneous presuppository, a"h.


    [clenches buttocks]


    --
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    One day, a blonde and a brunette were out for a ride in the blonde's new car.
    Suddenly, some jerk pulled in front of them.
    The blonde put her lips on the steering wheel.
    The brunette feared for her life, but had the courage to ask, "What are you doing?!"
    The blonde calmly replied, "I'm trying to blow the horn."

  16. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Peter Hucker wrote:
    > On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 04:42:26 -0000, Eli Grubman wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>> How ironic.
    >>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.

    >
    > [clenches buttocks]
    >
    >

    Filthy sod.

  17. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>
    >>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>
    >>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>> evasion?

    >>
    >>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?


    Classic evasion, Grubman.
    --
    ah

  18. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:51:07 -0500, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>>> evasion?
    >>>>
    >>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>
    >>> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >>
    >>Non sequitur.

    >
    > How ironic.


    No surprise there, really.
    --
    ah

  19. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:56:09 -0500, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:51:07 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.


    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>>>>> evasion?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>
    >>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>
    >>> How ironic.

    >>
    >>Note: no response.

    >
    > On your part, a"h.


    Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    --
    ah

  20. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:28:19 -0500, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:12:19 -0500, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:39:16 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:25:35 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:09:04 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> You are erroneously presupposing that that is a fact, a"h.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>
    >>>> What are attribution problems, a"h? Still suffering from classic
    >>>> evasion?
    >>>
    >>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >>
    >> Who is Grubman, a"h? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    >Classic evasion, Grubman.


    Classic unsubstantiated presupposition laced with invective, as can
    only be expected from someone who lacks a logical argument, a"h.



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