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  1. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:53:14 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>
    >>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>
    >>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.

    >>
    >>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > Classic misrepresentation, as can be expected from someone totally
    > lacking clue.


    Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    --
    ah

  2. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!


    "ah" wrote in message
    news:4906648c$0$67972$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com...
    > Eli Grubman wrote:
    > > On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:53:14 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >
    > >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was

    anxious about separating my
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify

    four values.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From


    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta

    and Yellow primaries is
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing

    uses black ink in addition to the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for

    using black ink include:[5]
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and

    includes fine detail (such as
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely

    detailed outlines using three
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require

    impractically accurate registration
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be

    aligned extremely precisely).
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta,

    and yellow inks soaks the paper
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and

    sometimes impractically so.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta,

    and yellow inks often results in a
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite

    appear black. Adding black ink
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker

    blacks.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than

    using the corresponding amounts
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored

    or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on

    top, making a rich, deep black;
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made

    with just CMY inks is sometimes
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts

    of the other ink is variable,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology,

    paper and ink in use. Processes
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color

    addition, and gray component
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final

    mix; different CMYK recipes will
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of

    all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers).
    What's the need for anything else?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such

    colourspace as CMY."
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C

    M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected

    from someone
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution

    problems?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution

    problems?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    > >>>
    > >>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from

    someone
    > >>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    > >>
    > >>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    > >
    > > Classic misrepresentation, as can be expected from someone totally
    > > lacking clue.

    >
    > Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    > --
    > ah


    Lousy Tholen impression, Faggot "ah".

    Picture of "ah's" ass hole after Deco pounded it for 2 years:

    http://www.charonboat.com/2008/10/ch...com_goatse.jpg

    You Pal,
    HJ


  3. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!


    "ah" wrote in message
    news:49066478$0$67972$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com...
    > Eli Grubman wrote:
    > > On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >
    > >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was

    anxious about separating my
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four

    values.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From


    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta

    and Yellow primaries is
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses

    black ink in addition to the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using

    black ink include:[5]
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and

    includes fine detail (such as
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely

    detailed outlines using three
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require

    impractically accurate registration
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned

    extremely precisely).
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and

    yellow inks soaks the paper
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and

    sometimes impractically so.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and

    yellow inks often results in a
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite

    appear black. Adding black ink
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker

    blacks.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than

    using the corresponding amounts
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored

    or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on

    top, making a rich, deep black;
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with

    just CMY inks is sometimes
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts

    of the other ink is variable,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper

    and ink in use. Processes
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color

    addition, and gray component
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final

    mix; different CMYK recipes will
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of

    all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers).
    What's the need for anything else?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such

    colourspace as CMY."
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M

    and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected

    from someone
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution

    problems?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution

    problems?
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>Note: no response.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    > >>>
    > >>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    > >>
    > >>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.

    > >
    > > Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from

    someone
    > > who lacks a logical argument, a"h.

    >
    > Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    > --
    > ah


    Bad Tholen impression Faggot "ah"

    Picture of "ah's" ass hole after Deco pounded it for 2 years:

    http://www.charonboat.com/2008/10/ch...com_goatse.jpg

    You Pal,
    HJ


  4. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:02:12 -0400, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:53:14 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>
    >>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>
    >>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >>
    >> Classic misrepresentation, as can be expected from someone totally
    >> lacking clue.

    >
    >Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.


    On your part, a"h.


  5. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>
    >>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>
    >>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.

    >>
    >> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.

    >
    >Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?


    Note: no response.


  6. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.

    >> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > Note: no response.
    >

    Presumed dead?

  7. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>
    >>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>
    >>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.

    >>
    >>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > Note: no response.


    How ironic.
    --
    ah

  8. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>
    >>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>
    >>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >>
    >> Note: no response.

    >
    >How ironic.


    Classic evasion.


  9. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:54:44 -0600, "John \"C\""
    wrote:

    >
    >"Eli Grubman" wrote in message
    >news:gmofg45e4dm2ipoo2shj7pf75kvsfanuip@4ax.com...
    >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >> >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> >> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah

    >wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> >>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah

    >wrote:
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> >>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah

    >wrote:
    >> >>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah

    > wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah

    > wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah

    > wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah

    > wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah

    > wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah

    > wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah

    > wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah

    > wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah

    > wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah

    > wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was

    >anxious about separating my
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify

    >four values.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From

    >
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "black" generated by mixing Cyan,

    >Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing

    >uses black ink in addition to the
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for

    >using black ink include:[5]
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and

    >includes fine detail (such as
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other

    >finely detailed outlines using three
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require

    >impractically accurate registration
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be

    >aligned extremely precisely).
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta,

    >and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and

    >sometimes impractically so.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta,

    >and yellow inks often results in a
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite

    >appear black. Adding black ink
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker

    >blacks.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than

    >using the corresponding amounts
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a

    >colored or gray CMY "bedding" is applied
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on

    >top, making a rich, deep black;
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made

    >with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace

    >amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology,

    >paper and ink in use. Processes
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color

    >addition, and gray component
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final

    >mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    >http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of

    >all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers).
    >What's the need for anything else?
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such

    >colourspace as CMY."
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C

    >M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be

    >expected from someone
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution

    >problems?
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution

    >problems?
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >> >>>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >> >>>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >> >>>>>>>
    >> >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution

    >problems?
    >> >>>>>>
    >> >>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from

    >someone
    >> >>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >> >>>
    >> >>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >> >>
    >> >> Note: no response.
    >> >
    >> >How ironic.

    >>
    >> Classic evasion.
    >>

    >
    >Eli,
    >
    >Since "ah" is so stupid and lame to play at being Tholen, you should
    >have every advantage while responding to his Lamery. Here is a link to
    >the most prized object in the Gay Caballer's stock of tricks. "The
    >Tholen Translator".
    >
    >Use it wisely!
    >
    >http://www.mdpub.com/tholen/tholenizer.html
    >
    >Now go forth and kick that Faggot "ah's" Old Ass!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    >HJ


    Thanks, HoJo. I remember seeing that a few years ago.


  10. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!


    "Eli Grubman" wrote in message
    news:gmofg45e4dm2ipoo2shj7pf75kvsfanuip@4ax.com...
    > On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    > >Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah

    wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was

    anxious about separating my
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify

    four values.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From


    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "black" generated by mixing Cyan,

    Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing

    uses black ink in addition to the
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for

    using black ink include:[5]
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and

    includes fine detail (such as
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other

    finely detailed outlines using three
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require

    impractically accurate registration
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be

    aligned extremely precisely).
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta,

    and yellow inks soaks the paper
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and

    sometimes impractically so.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta,

    and yellow inks often results in a
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite

    appear black. Adding black ink
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker

    blacks.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than

    using the corresponding amounts
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a

    colored or gray CMY "bedding" is applied
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on

    top, making a rich, deep black;
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made

    with just CMY inks is sometimes
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace

    amounts of the other ink is variable,
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology,

    paper and ink in use. Processes
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color

    addition, and gray component
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final

    mix; different CMYK recipes will
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of

    all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers).
    What's the need for anything else?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such

    colourspace as CMY."
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C

    M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be

    expected from someone
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution

    problems?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution

    problems?
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution

    problems?
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from

    someone
    > >>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    > >>>
    > >>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    > >>
    > >> Note: no response.

    > >
    > >How ironic.

    >
    > Classic evasion.
    >


    Eli,

    Since "ah" is so stupid and lame to play at being Tholen, you should
    have every advantage while responding to his Lamery. Here is a link to
    the most prized object in the Gay Caballer's stock of tricks. "The
    Tholen Translator".

    Use it wisely!

    http://www.mdpub.com/tholen/tholenizer.html

    Now go forth and kick that Faggot "ah's" Old Ass!!!!!!!!!!

    HJ


  11. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>> Note: no response.

    >> How ironic.

    >
    > Classic evasion.
    >

    Agreed.

    Gonad

  12. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>
    >>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>
    >>> Note: no response.

    >>
    >>How ironic.

    >
    > Classic evasion.


    Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    --
    ah

  13. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>
    >>>> Note: no response.
    >>>
    >>>How ironic.

    >>
    >> Classic evasion.

    >
    >Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.


    Classic pontification, a"h.


  14. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>
    >>>>How ironic.
    >>>
    >>> Classic evasion.

    >>
    >>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.

    >
    > Classic pontification, a"h.


    Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    --
    ah

  15. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>
    >>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>
    >>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.

    >>
    >> Classic pontification, a"h.

    >
    >Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?


    Erroneous presuppository, a"h.


  16. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>> How ironic.
    >>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>> Classic pontification, a"h.

    >> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > Erroneous presuppository, a"h.
    >

    I think the "attribution problem" accusation's record is stuck.

  17. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>
    >>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>
    >>> Classic pontification, a"h.

    >>
    >>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > Erroneous presuppository, a"h.


    Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    --
    ah

  18. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:

    >Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>
    >>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>
    >>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >>
    >> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.

    >
    >Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?


    You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.


  19. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    ah wrote:
    > Eli Grubman wrote:
    >> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>
    >>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>> How ironic.
    >>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>> Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>> Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.

    >
    > Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?


    Change the record, you're getting very boring!

  20. Re: Don't fret, Kanga, there's always the Paralympics!

    Eli Grubman wrote:
    > On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:20:40 -0400, ah wrote:
    >
    >>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:21:11 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:22 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:22:03 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:53 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:22:51 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:59:47 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:53:17 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:34:36 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:54:34 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:30:45 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:19:44 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eli Grubman wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:57:27 -0400, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:30:35 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter Hucker wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:18:30 +0100, ah wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rand mair fheal wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm getting separations anxiety!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually he's wrong. You used RGB.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I did. Hence the assertion that I was anxious about separating my
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colour-space!
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such colourspace as CMY,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aw con't rare.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be CMYK, and you didn't specify four values.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Why black ink is used
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The “black” generated by mixing Cyan, Magenta and Yellow primaries is
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsatisfactory, and so four-color printing uses black ink in addition to the
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subtractive primaries. Common reasons for using black ink include:[5]
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Text is typically printed in black and includes fine detail (such as
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serifs), so to reproduce text or other finely detailed outlines using three
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inks without slight blurring would require impractically accurate registration
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (i.e. all three images would need to be aligned extremely precisely).
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks soaks the paper
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ink, making it slower to dry, and sometimes impractically so.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * A combination of 100% cyan, magenta, and yellow inks often results in a
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muddy dark brown color that does not quite appear black. Adding black ink
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorbs more light, and yields much darker blacks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Using black ink is less expensive than using the corresponding amounts
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of colored inks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a very dark area is desirable, a colored or gray CMY “bedding” is applied
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first, then a full black layer is applied on top, making a rich, deep black;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is called rich black.[6] A black made with just CMY inks is sometimes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called a composite black.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of black to use to replace amounts of the other ink is variable,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the choice depends on the technology, paper and ink in use. Processes
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called under color removal, under color addition, and gray component
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacement are used to decide on the final mix; different CMYK recipes will
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used depending on the printing task."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't need black, it isn't used.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My photo editor refers to RGB, CMYK, and HSL.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.couleur.org/index.php?page=transformations
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arctan?!?! ****ing hell. What is the point of all these? RGB for light (monitors), and CMYK for ink (printers). What's the need for anything else?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said--and I quote--"There is no such colourspace as CMY."
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, no such useful colourspace. You try mixing C M and Y. You will not get black.. More likely the colour of diarhea.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non-sequitur, Peter.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still suffering from attribution problems, Grubman?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non sequitur, laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical answer, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Non sequitur.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On your part, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: non sequitur laced with invective.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Classic evasion laced with invective, as can be expected from someone
    >>>>>>>>>>> who lacks a logical argument, a"h.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Note: no response.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>How ironic.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Classic evasion.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Classic erroneous and unsubstantiated claim, Grubman.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Classic pontification, a"h.
    >>>>
    >>>>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    >>>
    >>> Erroneous presuppository, a"h.

    >>
    >>Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?

    >
    > You are erroneously presupposing that you are correct, a"h.


    Who is a"h, Grubman? Still suffering from attribution problems?
    --
    ah

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