Does anyone here recall about the number of MB needed for the boot drive to
convert from Warp 4 to MCP1? In this particular case it looks like I've got
about 350MB for sure, could work out more I'm pretty sure by shuffling things
out of the way, but just wanted a remember guess or so.

Thanks.

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Mike Luther

Mike Luther wrote:
> Does anyone here recall about the number of MB needed for the boot drive
> to convert from Warp 4 to MCP1? In this particular case it looks like
> I've got about 350MB for sure, could work out more I'm pretty sure by
> shuffling things out of the way, but just wanted a remember guess or so.
>
> Thanks.
>
Don't remember how much more it took, but with MCP1 installed, it takes
up about 642M. There are a couple of other things loaded into the
drive, around 10M or so (amouse, gs, snap, etc.). I don't recall it
needing much more than what it's final footprint is during the install,
though I've always had the boot drive in a 5G partition. I do remember
there was a little pain and never updated to MCP2.

Mike

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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:57:15 UTC in comp.os.os2.setup.misc, Mike Luther
wrote:

> Does anyone here recall about the number of MB needed for the boot drive to
> convert from Warp 4 to MCP1? In this particular case it looks like I've got
> about 350MB for sure, could work out more I'm pretty sure by shuffling things
> out of the way, but just wanted a remember guess or so.

My ACP1 install takes up 404MB and I would expect MCP1 to be smaller.

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Mike Luther wrote:
> Does anyone here recall about the number of MB needed for the boot drive
> to convert from Warp 4 to MCP1? In this particular case it looks like
> I've got about 350MB for sure, could work out more I'm pretty sure by
> shuffling things out of the way, but just wanted a remember guess or so.
>
> Thanks.
>
I installed MCP2 on a 1G partition C:. During installation I put
Netscape on drive E: After installation I uninstalled java 118. I
installed java 131 on drive e:. the archive and backup files are on
drive c:.

OS/2=C:\>dir c: /s
snip
Total files listed:
8984 file(s) 339174194 bytes used
691291648 bytes free

OS/2=C:\>dir c:\fix_pak /s
snip
Total files listed:
431 file(s) 24213019 bytes used
691291648 bytes free

On 2008/08/16 03:57 (GMT) Mike Luther apparently typed:

> Does anyone here recall about the number of MB needed for the boot drive to
> convert from Warp 4 to MCP1? In this particular case it looks like I've got
> about 350MB for sure, could work out more I'm pretty sure by shuffling things
> out of the way, but just wanted a remember guess or so.

My eCS 1.1FP4 system lives on a 800M F: partition and has about 32%
freespace. Most apps & data are on other partitions.
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:57:15 UTC, Mike Luther
wrote:

> Does anyone here recall about the number of MB needed for the boot drive to
> convert from Warp 4 to MCP1? In this particular case it looks like I've got
> about 350MB for sure, could work out more I'm pretty sure by shuffling things
> out of the way, but just wanted a remember guess or so.
>
> Thanks.
>
WARP up to 4.50 was happy with 350 MB system drive
MCP and eCS up to 1.1 needs 500 MB minimum. eCS 1.2x loves to see 1
GB. eCS 2.0 loves 1.5 - 2.0GB for a full install.

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Herbert

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Herbert Rosenau wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:57:15 UTC, Mike Luther
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here recall about the number of MB needed for the boot drive to
>> convert from Warp 4 to MCP1? In this particular case it looks like I've got
>> about 350MB for sure, could work out more I'm pretty sure by shuffling things
>> out of the way, but just wanted a remember guess or so.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> WARP up to 4.50 was happy with 350 MB system drive
> MCP and eCS up to 1.1 needs 500 MB minimum. eCS 1.2x loves to see 1
> GB. eCS 2.0 loves 1.5 - 2.0GB for a full install.

? "Loves"....? You mean...?

Here ECS 2.0 rc5 with everything selected in the 1st phase ("a full
install" I'd say) installed quite OK on a 850 MB partition.
Even after adding a few extra programs and using it for 2 weeks there's
still 200 MB free.

Sure, that by itself doesn't ensure that 650 MB should do for an ECS 2.0
boot partition.
But given the original subject I'd be interested to learn why the extra
1+ GB you suggest is needed *on a boot partition*.

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:54:40 UTC, "Herbert Rosenau"
wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:57:15 UTC, Mike Luther
> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone here recall about the number of MB needed for the boot drive to
> > convert from Warp 4 to MCP1? In this particular case it looks like I've got
> > about 350MB for sure, could work out more I'm pretty sure by shuffling things
> > out of the way, but just wanted a remember guess or so.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> WARP up to 4.50 was happy with 350 MB system drive
> MCP and eCS up to 1.1 needs 500 MB minimum. eCS 1.2x loves to see 1
> GB. eCS 2.0 loves 1.5 - 2.0GB for a full install.
>
It appears that eCS is bloating up like doze. I suppose its acting/looking
more like doze also, though I haven't seen anything past 1.1 (didn't like
the interface and it seemed then like it was trying to be more doze-like).
Guess I'll be with Warp4 until it can't run anymore.

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:44:43 UTC, "Eye Pikm" wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:54:40 UTC, "Herbert Rosenau"
> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:57:15 UTC, Mike Luther
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone here recall about the number of MB needed for the boot drive to
> > > convert from Warp 4 to MCP1? In this particular case it looks like I've got
> > > about 350MB for sure, could work out more I'm pretty sure by shuffling things
> > > out of the way, but just wanted a remember guess or so.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > WARP up to 4.50 was happy with 350 MB system drive
> > MCP and eCS up to 1.1 needs 500 MB minimum. eCS 1.2x loves to see 1
> > GB. eCS 2.0 loves 1.5 - 2.0GB for a full install.
> >
> It appears that eCS is bloating up like doze. I suppose its acting/looking
> more like doze also, though I haven't seen anything past 1.1 (didn't like
> the interface and it seemed then like it was trying to be more doze-like).
> Guess I'll be with Warp4 until it can't run anymore.

I don't think so. I for now have got two 2.0 GiB volumes for two eCS
2.0 installs, but it was my choice: last eCS 1.2MR install was on a
700 MiB volume (guess why :-)) and worked flawlessly. I think that
also eCS 2.0 does not need much more than 800 MiB, which means that
you can build a bootable recovery CD easily. The difference with 'doze
XP or (worse than ever) Vista is so big I would not mind.

Mentore

Hi Eye

Eye Pikm wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:54:40 UTC, "Herbert Rosenau"
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:57:15 UTC, Mike Luther
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone here recall about the number of MB needed for the boot drive to
>>> convert from Warp 4 to MCP1? In this particular case it looks like I've got
>>> about 350MB for sure, could work out more I'm pretty sure by shuffling things
>>> out of the way, but just wanted a remember guess or so.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>> WARP up to 4.50 was happy with 350 MB system drive
>> MCP and eCS up to 1.1 needs 500 MB minimum. eCS 1.2x loves to see 1
>> GB. eCS 2.0 loves 1.5 - 2.0GB for a full install.
>>
> It appears that eCS is bloating up like doze. I suppose its acting/looking
> more like doze also, though I haven't seen anything past 1.1 (didn't like
> the interface and it seemed then like it was trying to be more doze-like).
> Guess I'll be with Warp4 until it can't run anymore.
>



eCS is basically OS/2 Warp4 MCP plus a few extra bits so has options not
available during a Warp4 install. The more options you pick the more
space you need. Of course, you do not have to install the options to the
boot drive - or at all.

So, the "bloat" is whatever options *you* choose to install.


Regarding the Interface I guess you must be talking about the Default
eCS interface, eWorkplace, which is, basically, xWorkplace.

I'm not that keen on xWorkplace but other people seem to like it...

You may be interested to know that you can decide to use a Warp4 or
eCS1.0 interface (slightly tarted up Warp4) instead of the Default.

I tend to prefer the eCs1.0 interface myself :-)


Hope that clears up some possible misconceptions.

Regards

Pete

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:44:43 UTC, "Eye Pikm" wrote:

> > WARP up to 4.50 was happy with 350 MB system drive
> > MCP and eCS up to 1.1 needs 500 MB minimum. eCS 1.2x loves to see 1
> > GB. eCS 2.0 loves 1.5 - 2.0GB for a full install.
> >
> It appears that eCS is bloating up like doze. I suppose its acting/looking
> more like doze also, though I haven't seen anything past 1.1 (didn't like
> the interface and it seemed then like it was trying to be more doze-like).
> Guess I'll be with Warp4 until it can't run anymore.

eCS can easily install in 500 MB, same as MCP2. IIRC, the only significant
extras it installs by default, space-wise, are Firefox and Thunderbird.

As for the interface, it's 100% optional. You can install eCS to look
(in fact, be) exactly the same as MCP2 if you like. Obviously, you have
to use the "advanced" install, but frankly, "easy" install is only
intended for complete novices (and the people who write OS reviews).

--
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Fukushima, Japan
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:32:24 UTC, Philip Nienhuis
wrote:

> Herbert Rosenau wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:57:15 UTC, Mike Luther
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone here recall about the number of MB needed for the boot drive to
> >> convert from Warp 4 to MCP1? In this particular case it looks like I've got
> >> about 350MB for sure, could work out more I'm pretty sure by shuffling things
> >> out of the way, but just wanted a remember guess or so.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> > WARP up to 4.50 was happy with 350 MB system drive
> > MCP and eCS up to 1.1 needs 500 MB minimum. eCS 1.2x loves to see 1
> > GB. eCS 2.0 loves 1.5 - 2.0GB for a full install.
>
> ? "Loves"....? You mean...?

Immediately after instll it may requre lots of dispace less. But the
default settings for temp, tmp, spool, swapper.dat, logs are all
poining to the boot drive. And more and more programs are not able to
remove they places in temp, none shortes theyr log files, so the used
space increases quicky. Look on, even the defaults for mozilla_home
and so on are set to that drive.

> Here ECS 2.0 rc5 with everything selected in the 1st phase ("a full
> install" I'd say) installed quite OK on a 850 MB partition.
> Even after adding a few extra programs and using it for 2 weeks there's
> still 200 MB free.

A migration will use during the migration process a lot more disk
space.

>
> Sure, that by itself doesn't ensure that 650 MB should do for an ECS 2.0
> boot partition.
> But given the original subject I'd be interested to learn why the extra
> 1+ GB you suggest is needed *on a boot partition*.

By that I think that today 1 GB more or less on volume size doesn't
matter - except 4 KB too less on that volume ends up in errors, may
end in unwanted rebootsor even in system crash, lost of ini files or
other unwanted behavior. At least RC5 is not GA.

Have you ever tried to print mass of PDF, big graphics and so in a
short frequence with a slow printer? the spool directory grows quickly
but shrinks slowly. It stops shrinking eassy when the printer goes out
of paper, or other resources like ink or toner while you are busy to
feed it with documents.

Not anyboty is trained in to install apps not on the boot drive - and
may of them defaults exactly to that.

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Herbert

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:06:21 UTC, Peter Brown
wrote:

> Hi Eye
>
> Eye Pikm wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:54:40 UTC, "Herbert Rosenau"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:57:15 UTC, Mike Luther
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Does anyone here recall about the number of MB needed for the boot drive to
> >>> convert from Warp 4 to MCP1? In this particular case it looks like I've got
> >>> about 350MB for sure, could work out more I'm pretty sure by shuffling things
> >>> out of the way, but just wanted a remember guess or so.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >> WARP up to 4.50 was happy with 350 MB system drive
> >> MCP and eCS up to 1.1 needs 500 MB minimum. eCS 1.2x loves to see 1
> >> GB. eCS 2.0 loves 1.5 - 2.0GB for a full install.
> >>
> > It appears that eCS is bloating up like doze. I suppose its acting/looking
> > more like doze also, though I haven't seen anything past 1.1 (didn't like
> > the interface and it seemed then like it was trying to be more doze-like).
> > Guess I'll be with Warp4 until it can't run anymore.
> >
>
>
>
> eCS is basically OS/2 Warp4 MCP plus a few extra bits so has options not
> available during a Warp4 install. The more options you pick the more
> space you need. Of course, you do not have to install the options to the
> boot drive - or at all.
>
> So, the "bloat" is whatever options *you* choose to install.
>
>
> Regarding the Interface I guess you must be talking about the Default
> eCS interface, eWorkplace, which is, basically, xWorkplace.
>
> I'm not that keen on xWorkplace but other people seem to like it...
>
> You may be interested to know that you can decide to use a Warp4 or
> eCS1.0 interface (slightly tarted up Warp4) instead of the Default.
>
> I tend to prefer the eCs1.0 interface myself :-)
>
>
> Hope that clears up some possible misconceptions.
>
> Regards
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
I have no misconceptions about eCS itself. the options one chooses to
install default to the boot drive. that equals doze mentality. yes, I know
one change where these can be installed, its just the doze mentality I'm
opposed to. Been a long time since looking at eCS, but I seem to remember
it putting a folder on the desktop aka doze 'my documents'. correct me if
I'm wrong. Couple of other things I didn't like, but can't remember what.

As for XWorkplace, I've been using it since ver 1.0.2 and I like most
features it brings. My biggest dislike is the doze-like 400 mouse clicks
(extreme exaggeration) to shut down the friggin' machine. 'Are you sure you
want to do this or that'. "No, I clicked on shut down cause I wanted the
machine to sprout wings and fly away."
I did fix that with an icon on the tray that goes directly to shutdown.cmd.

Sorry to sound like I'm in a tizzy. I've been manually transfering most of
an XP system from one HD to a new machine for my landlady (80 yrs. old). No
real organization, files everywhere (kinda like the OS files), and of
course no back ups. can't boot the old HD, fried motherboard. the heatsink
clamp sprung and landed on the mb. Old HD is eide, new machine is all sata.
what a mess. the first thing I had to do, was to delete the preinstalled
vista and upgrade to xp. Almost finished and I'm not going to go through
this again, so I'm setting her up with automatic registry back up on every
boot and whole drive back up on every shutdown.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:12:02 UTC, "Alex Taylor"
wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:44:43 UTC, "Eye Pikm" wrote:
>
> > > WARP up to 4.50 was happy with 350 MB system drive
> > > MCP and eCS up to 1.1 needs 500 MB minimum. eCS 1.2x loves to see 1
> > > GB. eCS 2.0 loves 1.5 - 2.0GB for a full install.
> > >
> > It appears that eCS is bloating up like doze. I suppose its acting/looking
> > more like doze also, though I haven't seen anything past 1.1 (didn't like
> > the interface and it seemed then like it was trying to be more doze-like).
> > Guess I'll be with Warp4 until it can't run anymore.
>
> eCS can easily install in 500 MB, same as MCP2. IIRC, the only significant
> extras it installs by default, space-wise, are Firefox and Thunderbird.
>
> As for the interface, it's 100% optional. You can install eCS to look
> (in fact, be) exactly the same as MCP2 if you like. Obviously, you have
> to use the "advanced" install, but frankly, "easy" install is only
> intended for complete novices (and the people who write OS reviews).
>
You mean there's something other than advanced install Frankly, I just
don't remember that option. Or maybe it still installed some eCS folders or
some such thing. Nice to hear that they are not bloating. I guess the idea
of the OS on one partition and apps on another, is still a prudent one with
me. The only extras on my boot partition are Amouse, Snap, the Innotek
stuf, and XWorkplace. Oh, and Warpin also. To me those are intragal enough
to reside on the boot partition. Apps have their own partition, and then
the data partitions. Boot drive uses less than 600 megs and zips up nicely
into about 200 megs.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:54:38 GMT, Eye Pikm wrote:

> As for XWorkplace, I've been using it since ver 1.0.2 and I like most
> features it brings. My biggest dislike is the doze-like 400 mouse clicks
> (extreme exaggeration) to shut down the friggin' machine. 'Are you sure you
> want to do this or that'. "No, I clicked on shut down cause I wanted the
> machine to sprout wings and fly away."
> I did fix that with an icon on the tray that goes directly to shutdown.cmd.

It's hardly difficult to turn off the "Show this message next time" option
is it? After that it doesn't prompt at all. You don't need any batch files.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:03:20 UTC, Paul Ratcliffe
wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:54:38 GMT, Eye Pikm wrote:
>
> > As for XWorkplace, I've been using it since ver 1.0.2 and I like most
> > features it brings. My biggest dislike is the doze-like 400 mouse clicks
> > (extreme exaggeration) to shut down the friggin' machine. 'Are you sure you
> > want to do this or that'. "No, I clicked on shut down cause I wanted the
> > machine to sprout wings and fly away."
> > I did fix that with an icon on the tray that goes directly to shutdown.cmd.
>
> It's hardly difficult to turn off the "Show this message next time" option
> is it? After that it doesn't prompt at all. You don't need any batch files.

Do you still have to click on the X-Button first? Another 'I can't remember
cause its been so long.' And was the "Show this message next time" option
in earlier versions? My old settings keep rolling over with an update to
each new version. If so, then it must have been having to click on X-Button
first to get to shut down. Sorry, but I just despise un-necessary mouse
clicks and having to jump through hoops to perform simple tasks. As I'm set
up now, two mouse clicks gets me to any folder on any drive in my system
and over 90% of the files. A third click gets to the rest. then of course
there's the one click objects also, which in my thinking is what shutdown
should be.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:22:58 UTC, "Eye Pikm" wrote:

> You mean there's something other than advanced install Frankly, I just
> don't remember that option. Or maybe it still installed some eCS folders
> or some such thing. Nice to hear that they are not bloating. I guess the
> idea of the OS on one partition and apps on another, is still a prudent
> one with me. The only extras on my boot partition are Amouse, Snap, the
> Innotek stuf, and XWorkplace. Oh, and Warpin also. To me those are
> intragal enough to reside on the boot partition. Apps have their own
> partition, and then the data partitions. Boot drive uses less than 600
> megs and zips up nicely into about 200 megs.

Most users would agree with you. We (eCS developers) certainly do; we
recommend putting all your apps on a different drive.

The only reason things default to the boot drive is because the installer
has no way of telepathically determining which partition you'd prefer to
install them onto.

It's kind of a pain to change them all, but we're no happier about that
than you are. It's a limitation of the install program which is very
difficult to change without massively redesigning it. (Which is being
worked on, but it's not ready yet.)

--
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Fukushima, Japan
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