On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:35:13 UTC, "Christian Hennecke"
wrote:

> The July issue of the VOICE Newsletter is now available online.
>
> For online reading:

Downloaded with happiness :-) it's been long time since the latest
issue. Maybe there's not so much to say about OS/2 in times like
these, so it's good to hear something new even in six months! (And the
issues on virtual memory *are* really interesting.)

BTW Christian, I sent you an email months ago asking if there's some
possibility to produce an Italian VOICE newsletter version. It should
be not so hard work. Noone replied so I gave up, but... Who can tell?
:-)

Mentore

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:14:04 UTC, "Mentore Siesto"
wrote:

> > The July issue of the VOICE Newsletter is now available online.
> >
> > For online reading:
>
> Downloaded with happiness :-) it's been long time since the latest
> issue. Maybe there's not so much to say about OS/2 in times like
> these, so it's good to hear something new even in six months! (And the
> issues on virtual memory *are* really interesting.)

As I pointed out before, there are two basic problems: Lack of articles
and lack of manpower. It's not that there's nothing to say. Think of all
the stuff that Paul Smedley ported, new eCS release candidates, etc.
People are just lazy.

> BTW Christian, I sent you an email months ago asking if there's some
> possibility to produce an Italian VOICE newsletter version. It should
> be not so hard work. Noone replied so I gave up, but... Who can tell?
> :-)

Sorry, that was a misunderstanding. I had read your message to mean that
you wanted to inform us but wait with everything else until you could
say more.

If you manage to get enough reliable people on board, we'd certainly be
interested.
--
"I smell blood and an era of prominent madmen." - W.H. Auden

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:14:11 UTC, "Christian Hennecke"
wrote:

-> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:14:04 UTC, "Mentore Siesto"
-> wrote:
->
-> > > The July issue of the VOICE Newsletter is now available online.
-> > >
-> > > For online reading:
-> >
-> > Downloaded with happiness :-) it's been long time since the latest
-> > issue. Maybe there's not so much to say about OS/2 in times like
-> > these, so it's good to hear something new even in six months! (And the
-> > issues on virtual memory *are* really interesting.)
->
-> As I pointed out before, there are two basic problems: Lack of articles
-> and lack of manpower. It's not that there's nothing to say. Think of all
-> the stuff that Paul Smedley ported, new eCS release candidates, etc.
-> People are just lazy.
->

Exactly. Why has no one written articles about installing eCS 2.0 RCs
on new hardware? Where are the reviews of Open Office 2.4? And then
there are all the ports of NIX apps from Paul as mentioned by
Christian. And there is a lot more that can be written about. But
almost no one does. But people still have a lot of questions about
these things and more.

-> > BTW Christian, I sent you an email months ago asking if there's some
-> > possibility to produce an Italian VOICE newsletter version. It should
-> > be not so hard work. Noone replied so I gave up, but... Who can tell?
-> > :-)
->
-> Sorry, that was a misunderstanding. I had read your message to mean that
-> you wanted to inform us but wait with everything else until you could
-> say more.
->
-> If you manage to get enough reliable people on board, we'd certainly be
-> interested.

And if you read Christian's editorial in this new issue you will see
that this became a problem for the German issue. People just stopped
helping and no new people stepped up to help despite Christian's pleas
in the past issue. This is not a job for one or two people.And it
was draining resources from the English version since Christian had to
do a ton of work to finish up the German issue. That delayed the
release even though most of the articles were from 6 months or more
ago. My article in this current issue was written so long ago I had
to reread it to remember what I had written.

Mark

--
From the eComStation of Mark Dodel

Warpstock 2008 - Santa Cruz, California: http://www.warpstock.org
Warpstock Europe 2008 - Düsseldorf, Germany: http://www.warpstock.eu

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:59:37 UTC, "Mark Dodel" wrote:

> And if you read Christian's editorial in this new issue you will see
> that this became a problem for the German issue. People just stopped
> helping and no new people stepped up to help despite Christian's pleas
> in the past issue. This is not a job for one or two people.And it
> was draining resources from the English version since Christian had to
> do a ton of work to finish up the German issue. That delayed the
> release even though most of the articles were from 6 months or more
> ago. My article in this current issue was written so long ago I had
> to reread it to remember what I had written.

Yeah... and I was amused to read my article cheerfully saying that VOICE
would "soon" be releasing PMMail... in fact, the _second_ version just
came out. :P

I've had a number of article ideas... very limited time, unfortunately.
(I've been plodding away on an article on GTAK tape backups for about
two years now. No idea when I'll finish it, especially since my tape
drive is now in a storage locker on the other side of the globe...)

--
Alex Taylor
Fukushima, Japan
http://www.socis.ca/~ataylo00

Please take off hat when replying.

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:59:37 UTC, "Mark Dodel"
wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:14:11 UTC, "Christian Hennecke"
> wrote:

> -> If you manage to get enough reliable people on board, we'd certainly be
> -> interested.
>
> And if you read Christian's editorial in this new issue you will see
> that this became a problem for the German issue. People just stopped
> helping and no new people stepped up to help despite Christian's pleas
> in the past issue. This is not a job for one or two people.And it
> was draining resources from the English version since Christian had to
> do a ton of work to finish up the German issue. That delayed the
> release even though most of the articles were from 6 months or more
> ago. My article in this current issue was written so long ago I had
> to reread it to remember what I had written.

.... Well, maybe it's better to write some articles :-) Now if only I
had more time to spend on my favourite OS...

Mentore

On 17.07.08 22:11, Mentore Siesto wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:59:37 UTC, "Mark Dodel"
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:14:11 UTC, "Christian Hennecke"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you manage to get enough reliable people on board, we'd
>>> certainly be interested.

I surely can be counted to the people who should write articles and
who are able to do that in a very well quality.

>> And if you read Christian's editorial in this new issue you will
>> see that this became a problem for the German issue. People just
>> stopped helping and no new people stepped up to help despite
>> Christian's pleas in the past issue. This is not a job for one or
>> two people.And it was draining resources from the English version
>> since Christian had to do a ton of work to finish up the German
>> issue. That delayed the release even though most of the articles
>> were from 6 months or more ago. My article in this current issue
>> was written so long ago I had to reread it to remember what I had
>> written.
>
> ... Well, maybe it's better to write some articles :-) Now if only I
> had more time to spend on my favourite OS...

That's the only problem. We're just few. Should we spend time on
privacy, on helping eCS getting to get to the GA state or should we
write Voice articles or even contribute to software projects?

OK, I could get me a bit better organized to manage all of them, but
in my case (it's just a time, not a motivation issue), I would call it
rather an exception. Usually developers are bad texters or bad
develepors.

Even for me, I have to set priorities and IMO there are people who
write about new software and there are ones who code it. I count me to
the latter and before getting bored with the current OS/2 scene, I
would surely write a motivating Voice article. I am not, so I think I
invest stuff in my projects.

BTW: A big thank you to all the Voice Newsletter people!

IMO, its a correct decision to drop the German version. I would also
vote for to drop the HTML version, if that hasn't already happened.

--
Andreas Schnellbacher

On 17.07.08 22:55, Andreas Schnellbacher wrote:

> IMO, its a correct decision to drop the German version. I would also
> vote for to drop the HTML version, if that hasn't already happened.

****, that was just a typo. Of course, I meant the INF version
instead.

--
Andreas Schnellbacher

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:25:39 UTC, Andreas Schnellbacher
wrote:

-> On 17.07.08 22:55, Andreas Schnellbacher wrote:
->
-> > IMO, its a correct decision to drop the German version. I would also
-> > vote for to drop the HTML version, if that hasn't already happened.
->
-> ****, that was just a typo. Of course, I meant the INF version
-> instead.
->

hehehe. I was wondering what you meant, since dropping the html
version would pretty much end all work on it. ;-) I had wanted to
drop the INF version years ago, but quite a few people still read it
back then. Some of the few letters I received often thanked me for
the INF version. When Christian took over he automated most of that
so it wasn't quite the bother it was when I was building it using
HomePage Publisher. tables always seemed to mess up the INF version
and had to be corrected by hand.

Mark

--
From the eComStation of Mark Dodel

Warpstock 2008 - Santa Cruz, California: http://www.warpstock.org
Warpstock Europe 2008 - Düsseldorf, Germany: http://www.warpstock.eu

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:22:01 UTC in comp.os.os2.misc, "Alex Taylor"
wrote:

> Yeah... and I was amused to read my article cheerfully saying that VOICE
> would "soon" be releasing PMMail... in fact, the _second_ version just
> came out. :P

And where was this announced? I've not seen anything on any of the c.o.o.*
newsgroups and I subscribe to all of them, with the exception of c.o.o.lunacy

--
Trevor Hemsley, Brighton, UK
Trevor dot Hemsley at ntlworld dot com

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:28:37 UTC, "Trevor Hemsley"
wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:22:01 UTC in comp.os.os2.misc, "Alex Taylor"
> wrote:
>
> > Yeah... and I was amused to read my article cheerfully saying that VOICE
> > would "soon" be releasing PMMail... in fact, the _second_ version just
> > came out. :P
>
> And where was this announced? I've not seen anything on any of the c.o.o.*
> newsgroups and I subscribe to all of them, with the exception of c.o.o.lunacy

It probably weasn't announced in the news groups, although I do
remember seeing it mentioned, once, or twice. It was announced at:

> http://www.os2world.com/

and, of course, at:

> http://pmmail.os2voice.org/index.php...MMail_for_OS/2

Unfortunately, as it turned out, there is a bug in the 3.01 version,
recently released, that turned out to be a bit of trouble, for a few
users. That has now been fixed, and a new release will be made
shortly.
--
From the eComStation 2.0 RC2 of Doug Bissett
dougb007 at telus dot net
(Please make the obvious changes, to e-mail me)

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:28:37 UTC, "Trevor Hemsley"
wrote:

> > Yeah... and I was amused to read my article cheerfully saying that VOICE
> > would "soon" be releasing PMMail... in fact, the _second_ version just
> > came out. :P
>
> And where was this announced? I've not seen anything on any of the c.o.o.*
> newsgroups and I subscribe to all of them, with the exception of
> c.o.o.lunacy

I believe both VOICE News and OS/2 Warp News and Rumours reported it.
Maybe there should've been an announcement on c.o.o.mail-news;
c.o.o.announce, OTOH, is evidently dead.



--
Alex Taylor
Fukushima, Japan
http://www.socis.ca/~ataylo00

Please take off hat when replying.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:06:57 UTC, "Mark Dodel"
wrote:

> -> > IMO, its a correct decision to drop the German version. I would also
> -> > vote for to drop the HTML version, if that hasn't already happened.
> ->
> -> ****, that was just a typo. Of course, I meant the INF version
> -> instead.
> ->
>
> hehehe. I was wondering what you meant, since dropping the html
> version would pretty much end all work on it. ;-) I had wanted to
> drop the INF version years ago, but quite a few people still read it
> back then. Some of the few letters I received often thanked me for
> the INF version. When Christian took over he automated most of that
> so it wasn't quite the bother it was when I was building it using
> HomePage Publisher. tables always seemed to mess up the INF version
> and had to be corrected by hand.

Exactly. Complex tables still need editing by hand but the time we have
to spend on the INF issue has decreased a *lot*. What was about 45 to 90
minutes is now 3 to 30 minutes. Thanks to PPWizard and Cornelis' help,
we are able to output a special, more plain HTML version of each article
which is then converted to IPF. Afterwards, we run the stuff through a
sed script with a number of regular expressions to correct some things.
Together, that takes care of most problems that can occur.
--
"I smell blood and an era of prominent madmen." - W.H. Auden

Andreas Schnellbacher schrieb:
>
> On 17.07.08 22:55, Andreas Schnellbacher wrote:
>
> > IMO, its a correct decision to drop the German version. I would also
> > vote for to drop the HTML version, if that hasn't already happened.
>
> ****, that was just a typo. Of course, I meant the INF version
> instead.
>

Oh no, do NOT drop the inf version.
It is better to read and better to print.

Hendrik

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:55:17 UTC, Hendrik Schmieder
wrote:

> > > IMO, its a correct decision to drop the German version. I would also
> > > vote for to drop the HTML version, if that hasn't already happened.
> >
> > ****, that was just a typo. Of course, I meant the INF version
> > instead.
> >
>
> Oh no, do NOT drop the inf version.
> It is better to read and better to print.

Well, consider this: Of approximately 1000 readers, only roughly 100
download the INF version. Basically, it's a matter of time, i.e., if we
can keep the effort small enough.
--
"I smell blood and an era of prominent madmen." - W.H. Auden