Well, more news maybe!

Marc Lewis wrote:

> I have DFSEE 7 (registered version), but have no experience with
> cloning a drive with it. I've always used Norton's "Ghost", but
> I'm not sure that it's going to see an SATA drive. I'll have to
> get more info (e.g. RTFM) on cloning with DFSEE. (If you can
> give me advice on this, please do!)

DFSEE even version 7.15 comes with a FREEDOS package. As well, if you even
have a DOS boot disk, you can add the DFSDOS items from at least version 7.1.5
to this floppy boot diskette. Prior to the version 7.1.5, there were a number
of problems with USB and other issues with DFSEE, but Jan worked very carefully
with myself and IBM to get that 7.1.5 version clean so that it could even clone
IBM ThinkPads to USB external storage devices.

Per my recall, I use an 'official' MS-DOS 6.2.1 boot disk for all this. Works
fine here.

Needless to say the further versions of DFSEE haven't corrupted this. It has
gotten even better per my experience. Jan is also a treasure to OS/2 users as
well as Dani.

> ML> You do need to carefully read the documentation if you
> ML> intend to use the latest level of her code for the 1.8.1
> ML> level upwards. That level of her code cannot be just
> ML> re-named to IBM1S506.ADD. and it must have her coordinated
> ML> ATAPI driver as well instead of the IBM code to work if
> ML> you need that.
>
> Point me to a source for Daniela's most recent edition of her
> drivers please.

Hobbs is fine. Look for daniatapi049.zip which is or may be needed, as well as
her latest release danis506r185.zip which I just checked on and are there.
Really, please do study the docs on this. Dani is far to valuable to this to
tie her up with this sort of help which does tell you how to do things with
these latest releases. It works fine with me on any MCP2 level box, although I
do *NOT* use her post 1/7 version driver package on Warp 4 boxes which still
permit rename use as IBM1S506.ADD for her driver and still may work with the
earler IBMATAPI and whatever. Recall that even IBM chunked are the other IDE
related ATAPI stuff into that one driver somewhere back then. Post this
official release you only need to load the IBMATAPI device driver.

>
> ML> Using DFSEE you can do a floppy diskette boot run, then see
> ML> both the IDE and SATA drive in Jan's toolset.
>
> I've only used the CD to boot to DFSEE. Should work just as
> well I suppose. (?)

Well, the folks at Microage here which have worked very carefully with me for
some 20 years now were STUNNED when I took in a DOS floppy diskette to them.
They jammed it into one of the mission critical secured IBM ThinkPads on Win
XP. It booted! More curiously, DFSEE went right to work on the WIN XP hard
drive in it and I showed them how to just use the menu and it could clone their
whole drive externally to a USB plug-in drive storage device!

> ML> I've just cloned the IDE drive to the SATA drive and away
> ML> it goes!

If you go to the DFSEE menu and select an item to work with from even the DOS
floppy boot, you will get to choose a hard disk to work with. Then you swing
right on the menu master folder choices. You pick the COPY option. If you
have a second hard drive attached as another IDE, a SATA unit, an external SCSI
unit, or even a USB external storage unit which can be seen by your BIOS, and
DFSEE can see that it is simple!

You just tell it to copy the whole drive to another drive. Whole OS/2, LVM
info, everything just fine. Whoosh, Off it goes and does it.

You may, under certain circumstances with earlier versions of DFSEE past 7.1.5,
have to also go in and declare your new drive as startable. But that done, you
can just go in and either make it the master drive in the SATA box with no IDE
drive there, or even with the USB external drive on an IBM ThinkPad with the
proper USB device drivers for it (or other box), tell the BIOS to boot from the
USB device. Whoosh! Off you go. Even an IBM ThinkPad will boot here from the
USB external box!

> (Diverging a bit...) How's OS/2 deal with the multi-processor
> Pentium Core2Duo? Any problems? (I am running CP3 on that
> machine.)

From other information you have shared with me, I think you are telling me
that you are running MCP2 at Fix Pack XRC03 level. I also recall that you,
too, have Warp 4 boxes still left. There are significant fixes post XRC03
level which are important. Most especially DHCP vs. DOS-VDM system corruption
and a bunch more items especially related to DOSCALL1 and so on. I known that
there have been people who have been unhappy with XRC05 with failures. But
I've never seen this on any of a large number of systems here. At least
XRC04, I guess, is really needed. Together with kernel updates past this.

IBM released major kernel updates for OS/2 post CD install (or bootup) use
which have address a number of key failure and update issues. I can't recall
from memory here exactly what the restrctions are. However, if my memory is
correct, the IBM Kernel update for MCP1 and MCP2 version version WR0811.ZIP
released August 15, 2005, had code in it which I think lets the Kernel work on
Duo Core processors. From the README.


Please! If anyone here knows that the 104a kernel above
will not work with the Dual Core Intel CPU, post here and
tell us. Please!

I know there are boundary issues between IBM's MCP2 and eCs 1.4 and to be 2.0
and so on over this. Anyone really understanding this, please reply here so
that Marc, I and others do not go astray. Thanks!

> This contains fixes since xr_e002/xr_m015/mcp/acp. Important note: If you use
> the OS/2 SES facility, you need a new sesdd32.sys dated April 2001 or later
> to use this kernel. Also, a matching dump formatter (df_ret.exe), provided
> separately, is required, if you want to analyze a dump from this kernel.
> Finally, note that os2ldr is only required for the >64mb memory detection
> mentioned below.

From what I can recall, I'm still using the WR0621.ZIP update of June 22,
2004, on the Warp 4 boxes. I think that the later kernel fix is supposed to
work on these other boxes, if your system is Fix Packed *AFTER* FP15 as well.
Which in my case is FP17 for them. However, I've never had trouble with other
than the WR0621.ZIP kernel update on them, so I've never experimented with the
later kernel on them as well.

Let me know how else I can help.


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Mike Luther

Hello all.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:33:05 UTC, Mike Luther
wrote:

> Well, more news maybe!

> Marc Lewis wrote:

> > I have DFSEE 7 (registered version), but have no experience
> > with cloning a drive with it. [snip]

> DFSEE even version 7.15 comes with a FREEDOS package.

As does Version 7.04 that I have.

> As well, if you even have a DOS boot disk, you can add the
> DFSDOS items from at least version 7.1.5 to this floppy boot
> diskette. Prior to the version 7.1.5, there were a number of
> problems with USB and other issues with DFSEE, but Jan worked
> very carefully with myself and IBM to get that 7.1.5 version
> clean so that it could even clone IBM ThinkPads to USB
> external storage devices.

I will have to download the current version before doing anything
else... Now I have to remember how to compile the license into
the .ISO disk image file.

ML> You do need to carefully read the documentation if you
ML> intend to use the latest level of her code for the 1.8.1
ML> level upwards.

I believe I'm running 1.6.?

ML> That level of her code cannot be just re-named to
ML> IBM1S506.ADD. and it must have her coordinated ATAPI driver
ML> as well instead of the IBM code to work if you need that.

I don't think 1.6.? can be renamed either, but I may be wrong on
that. Is the SATA drive seen as an ATAPI device?

ML> Using DFSEE you can do a floppy diskette boot run, then see
ML> both the IDE and SATA drive in Jan's toolset.

> > I've only used the CD to boot to DFSEE. Should work just
> > as well I suppose. (?)

> Well, the folks at Microage here which have worked very
> carefully with me for some 20 years now were STUNNED when I
> took in a DOS floppy diskette to them.

It is surprising indeed that MS-DOS 6.2.x can allow DFSEE to even
find, much less work with an HPFS, NTFS or any other "Non-DOS"
partition. Interesting indeed!

> If you go to the DFSEE menu and select an item to work with
> from even the DOS floppy boot, you will get to choose a hard
> disk to work with. Then you swing right on the menu master
> folder choices. You pick the COPY option.

IIRC, there is also a "clone" option presented on the pull-down.
Is that not correct? What is the difference between the "COPY"
and the "CLONE" operations? ... Or am I thinking of some other
program.(?)

> You just tell it to copy the whole drive to another drive.
> Whole OS/2, LVM info, everything just fine. Whoosh, Off it
> goes and does it.

What happens if the drives are a different size? With Ghost, if
the new drive is larger, it will do the drive copy operation and
seemingly autoformat the remaining unused space in the partition
of the target drive. How's that work with DFSEE?

[snip]
> > (Diverging a bit...) How's OS/2 deal with the
> > multi-processor Pentium Core2Duo? Any problems? (I am
> > running CP3 on that machine.)

> From other information you have shared with me, I think you
> are telling me that you are running MCP2 at Fix Pack XRC03
> level. I also recall that you, too, have Warp 4 boxes still
> left. There are significant fixes post XRC03 level which are
> important. Most especially DHCP vs. DOS-VDM system
> corruption and a bunch more items especially related to
> DOSCALL1 and so on.

I don't use DHCP on any of the OS/2 machines; all are fixed IP.

Here is what SYSINFO tells me I'm running:
==============cut==============
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 0Kb Cacche at 2337.9MHz (Family:15 Model:3
Stepping:3)
Memory: Physical: 479.6Mb ( 16.5% Used), SwapFile: 2.0Mb
Video: Res: 1024 x 768 x 16777216 Colors, Intel i865 Springdale-G
(Build 23), 31.8Mb Ram
Multimedia: CD: IDE CDROM Drive, Audio/Video: OS/2 Universal
Audio
Version: OS/2 4.51 US (Convenience Package -
OS/2 Warp 4 Base Operating System)
Kernel level: 14.103 (from WSeB CP#2/Warp 4 CP#2 PostFix)
FixPack level: WSeB CP#1/Warp 4 CP#1 FixPack #5 US (XR0C005)
DOS Support: Installed.
Printer/Queue: LS:\\WIN98C-XP\EPSONSTY
==============cut==============

> I known that there have been people who have been unhappy
> with XRC05 with failures. But I've never seen this on any of
> a large number of systems here. At least XRC04, I guess, is
> really needed. Together with kernel updates past this.

I suppose then that I should update the kernel on all the
machines, yes/no?

> Please! If anyone here knows that the 104a kernel above will
> not work with the Dual Core Intel CPU, post here and tell us.
> Please!

> I know there are boundary issues between IBM's MCP2 and eCs
> 1.4 and to be 2.0 and so on over this. Anyone really
> understanding this, please reply here so that Marc, I and
> others do not go astray. Thanks!

> > This contains fixes since xr_e002/xr_m015/mcp/acp.
> > Important note: If you use the OS/2 SES facility,

Not familiar with SES. Describe please.

> > Finally, note that os2ldr is only required for the >64mb
> > memory detection mentioned below.

I presume that the os2ldr is part of the kernel upgrade you
mentioned above?

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I think I can clarify this .

Marc Lewis wrote:

> A little confused over which is which now as far as the kernel
> goes. Is WR0621 the latest or should I find something later. If
> so, what's its file name?
>
> Best regards,
> Marc

The numbers in the names as in WR0621.ZIP and WR0811.ZIP are the release month
and day for these two releases. The WR0621.ZIP is the latest kernel fix I have
which I have installed on Warp 4 FixPack 17 boxes.

Released on 06-21-2004 it is level 20040621 14.100c

The WR0811.ZIP is the latest kernel fix I have left as used on MCP2 FixPack
XRC005 boxes.

Released on 08-11-2005 it is level 200507808 14.104a

As far as I know the doubled date deal is either an 'accident' or may relate to
the the fact that two releases of this one were made in quick succession as is
shown in the readme:

200507808 14.104
Basically, a re-build of the above from an "official" build machine.
*This build is safe for Pentium Pros. Note: 486SX CPUs are (and have
always been) safe ONLY on the W4 kernel.

200507808 14.104a
- fixed problem in 14.104 (only) that caused (at least) some VDM
applications (such as COPY) to fail.

I have not tried the 14.104a release on Warp4 boxes. Maybe someone else here
can report on that for us. As well, there is actually an even later Kernel
level that has appeared on the escaped XRC006 FixPack for I guess MCP2/eCs
whatever in test. I have that complete fix applied to a mobile drive tray
using SATA technology for test purposes which has not produced any failures
here. But then it is not in heavy or daily use at anything either.

Does this help?


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Mike Luther

On 07/12/08 11:29 pm, Mike Luther wrote:
> I have not tried the 14.104a release on Warp4 boxes. Maybe someone else
> here can report on that for us. As well, there is actually an even
> later Kernel level that has appeared on the escaped XRC006 FixPack for I
> guess MCP2/eCs whatever in test.

Both 14.104a and 14.105 (from the escaped fixpak) run fine here on Warp
v4 FP 15 plus all other free fixes.
Dave

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Hello All.

Can OS/2 operate from an SATA drive? One of my main servers is
starting to develop some problems on the MB; I can get a
complete system w/ Intel Core2 processor and a 350GB drive for
an excellent price... But am not familiar with whether or not
there is a driver that will see the SATA drive. Or will
Daniela's standard driver work?

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,
Marc
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Hello all.

Re: SATA drives >

> Can OS/2 operate from an SATA drive? One of my main servers
> is starting to develop some problems on the MB; I can get a
> complete system w/ Intel Core2 processor and a 350GB drive
> for an excellent price... But am not familiar with whether or
> not there is a driver that will see the SATA drive. Or will
> Daniela's standard driver work?

ML> Yes it can! I have a whole cadre of what started out as
ML> high quality late model IDE drives that have been cloned
ML> with DFSEE to SATA drives in Intel 915 class motherboard
ML> cases. I think that the latest IBM IDE device drivers will
ML> work with the SATA level stuff, but in my case I've gone to
ML> Dani's priceless device drivers which absolutely do work
ML> with it.

I have DFSEE 7 (registered version), but have no experience with
cloning a drive with it. I've always used Norton's "Ghost", but
I'm not sure that it's going to see an SATA drive. I'll have to
get more info (e.g. RTFM) on cloning with DFSEE. (If you can
give me advice on this, please do!)

ML> You do need to carefully read the documentation if you
ML> intend to use the latest level of her code for the 1.8.1
ML> level upwards. That level of her code cannot be just
ML> re-named to IBM1S506.ADD. and it must have her coordinated
ML> ATAPI driver as well instead of the IBM code to work if
ML> you need that.

Point me to a source for Daniela's most recent edition of her
drivers please.

ML> Using DFSEE you can do a floppy diskette boot run, then see
ML> both the IDE and SATA drive in Jan's toolset.

I've only used the CD to boot to DFSEE. Should work just as
well I suppose. (?)

ML> I've just cloned the IDE drive to the SATA drive and away
ML> it goes!

(Diverging a bit...) How's OS/2 deal with the multi-processor
Pentium Core2Duo? Any problems? (I am running CP3 on that
machine.)

ML> More important, I use the technique to clone/backup even
ML> IBM ThinkPads to USB storage drives. Then I can even take
ML> that type drive, and use DFSEE to clone it to an SATA
ML> drive. POOF! That even works I have found out as well.

Good to know!

Best regards,
Marc
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