Well yes but with a note!

Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:28:59 GMT, Dave Yeo wrote:
>
>>>> For networking with win9x boxes you need to setup netbios over tcpip,
>>>> not the default netbios.
>>> You don't "need" to do that. You could always install Netbios on Windoze.
>>> Netbios is a better protocol for newbies to use because it doesn't require
>>> any configuration, unlike TCP/IP.
>> Will plain Netbios work through a router?
>
> No of course it won't because Netbios is not a routable protocol. I suspect
> however you don't actually want to route it anywhere in the majority of cases.
> The term router is much misused, especially in home networks. You probably
> mean "switch" or "hub" where you mis-used "router".
> One of the benefits of Netbios is that you can't route it and inadvertently
> expose yourself to security risks.

Boy are those final words important! Unless you have no other choice you
should NEVER use the protocol NETBIOS OVER TCP/IP in the OS/2 network setup for
a system. The reason is that pathway creates one of the easiest ways for a
remote system to download files all over your OS/2 box from afar for virus and
corruption intentions!

True, modern Windows smash thee code doesn't, ordinarily, run on OS/2 boxes.
But that doesn't mean a remote system somewhere around the world to which you
have somehow connected can't put file after file after file in every directory
and subdirectory you have on your system! Which .. although not seen yet in
our world, CAN be made to run if you happen to have the WIN32 drivers
installed. Or CAN be made to run if you have ODIN or whatever and the
targeting is done just right.

As well, using NETBIOS OVER TCP/IP there is nothing to stop an action where you
get a copy of the remote machine's CONFIG.SYS and/or AUTOEXEC.BAT and startup
..CMD files. From there, as we currently use OS/2, there is nothing to prevent
the perp from simply adding a line of code and any custom executable you might
want, which runs at boot time .. or any time a DOS-VDM is opened, or any time
perhaps an new DCHP renewal is required by you IP or whatever.

Yes! I HAVE been hit by this one from afar on an OS/2 system with HUNDREDS of
files that had to be cleaned up on this box and were file, after file, after
file trounced into the quarantine directory by Norman!

I do *NOT* use NETBIOS OVER TCP/IP with OS/2 any more for this reason.

Very good advice Paul, in my opinion.

--


--> Sleep well; OS2's still awake!

Mike Luther

On 06/21/08 06:49 am, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:04:48 GMT, Fred Blau wrote:
>
>>>> ... Will plain Netbios work through a router?
>>> No of course it won't because Netbios is not a routable protocol. I suspect
>>> however you don't actually want to route it anywhere in the majority of cases.
>>> The term router is much misused, especially in home networks. You probably
>>> mean "switch" or "hub" where you mis-used "router".
>>> One of the benefits of Netbios is that you can't route it and inadvertently
>>> expose yourself to security risks.
>> The terminology here is confusing, at least to me. For example, I have
>> a Linksys WRT54G, which Linksys calls a "router". In the past I used
>> Netbios (I now use Netbios over TCP/IP) to share files between two
>> computers on my LAN. Is Linksys misusing the term "router"? Would you
>> call this device a "switch" or "hub"?
>
> This device (as are all its peers) is a hybrid router-switch. This is where
> the problem in the naming occurs. Anything on the LAN side goes into the
> switch. The router has two ports - one which goes to the switch and the other
> which goes to the WAN side.
> As a switch is a layer 2 device, it will pass Netbios traffic (and indeed any
> sort of Ethernet traffic you care to dream up) between the ports. A router is
> a layer 3 device and will not pass Netbios traffic from the LAN side to the
> WAN side. A router will only pass IP traffic.

Ok, this explains better. The original poster mentioned having a netgear
router so I thought router.
Dave

Hi Alex,

"Alex Taylor" wrote in message
news:mdq090pMZSKk-pn2-1yFbfrwWyPyH@localhost...
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:40:30 UTC, "Snydley"
>
> wrote:
>
>> something similar. So I edited Config.sys manually from a command prompt
>> using "e" and removed the reference to that driver. Is there a way to do
>> that with a program in OS/2, something like Device Manager in Windows? I
>> then fdisked the drive and reinstalled, because I don't know how to add
>> or
>> remove a NIC card and drivers from OS/2. How do you do that?
>
> Different types of driver have their own install utilities. The one for
> networking drivers is "Network Adapters and Protocol Services" (MPTS.EXE).
> Should be an icon under System Setup.
>
>
>> This time when I reinstalled, and it prompted me to choose a NIC card I
>> selected "Other" and installed the original Realtek driver I told you
>> about. I checked the lantran.log file with "e" and this is what it says:
>> ...
>> Loading Realtek Fast Ethernet Network Adapter driver (3.23vk)
>> [2005-12-05]
>> Vendor=1186,1186 Dev.=1300,1301 Bus/Dev/Func-No= 0/10/0
>> EtherID=@00055DD05F50
>> The chip is RTL8139C.
>> Network Line Speed is 100 Mbps / Full-Duplex Mode.
>> Link configuration: Auto Negotiation enabled.
>> Flow Control: Transmitisabled, Receiveisabled.
>> Parameters: IOBase = 0x7C00
>> Interrupt Level = 3
>> IBM LANVDD is loaded and operational.
>> IBM OS/2 LAN Netbind
>>
>> To me it looks like it's working ok, but I've never gotten that "deep"
>> into Networks,(Windows always handled that), so I'm not sure. The only
>> questionable thing I see is the flow control. Should that be enabled, or
>> is this the way it should be?
>
> Depends on the driver. You're right, the messages do indeed imply that
> the
> driver is correct and the card is working.
>
> You may just need to configure TCP/IP correctly. There were some kinks in
> Warp 4 as it was originally released, hopefully you can get them sorted.
> See below...
>
>
>> I've got everything working, that I can tell, except the Network and
>> Internet. I did have 2 errors in Config.sys a "com.sys" and a
>> "vcom.sys"not loading . I was wondering if maybe that was caused by me
>> selecting Fax service during the install, but not having a fax-modem, so
>> I
>> manually rem'd those 2 lines out in config.sys and those errors went
>> away.
>
> Those are the serial port drivers. Does the machine have serial ports?
> If
> not, then this message would be expected.
>
> If it does, then this may be caused by the sound driver. ISTR that the
> AWE driver could cause the COM drivers to barf on bootup if you didn't
> manually add a magic parameter (/G, I think) to the driver in CONFIG.SYS.
> (I know that was true for the AWE64 - I had one - but I'm not sure about
> the
> AWE32, which I think you said you have...)
>
>
>> I think my whole problem now with the network is I just don't know how to
>> set it up. The only experience I've had with networks is with Windows and
>> it takes care of all of this for you, pretty much.
>
> Yeah, OS/2 can take a bit of fiddling, especially on older (pre-4.5)
> versions.
>
> Basically, for working Internet, you need to make sure that:
> 1. The NIC driver is installed. You seem to have this.
> 2. The networking protocol (i.e. TCP/IP) is installed and "bound" to the
> NIC. You probably did this during install, but post the contents of
> \IBMCOM\PROTOCOL.INI and we'll take a look.

Here's my protocol.ini file:

[PROT_MAN]

DRIVERNAME = PROTMAN$

[IBMLXCFG]

netbeui_nif = netbeui.nif
tcpip_nif = tcpip.nif
RTL8139_nif = RTL8139.NIF

[NETBIOS]

DriverName = netbios$
ADAPTER0 = netbeui$,0

[netbeui_nif]

DriverName = netbeui$
Bindings = RTL8139_nif
ETHERAND_TYPE = "I"
USEADDRREV = "YES"
OS2TRACEMASK = 0x0
SESSIONS = 254
NCBS = 255
NAMES = 29
SELECTORS = 15
USEMAXDATAGRAM = "YES"
ADAPTRATE = 1000
WINDOWERRORS = 0
MAXDATARCV = 4168
TI = 30000
T1 = 1000
T2 = 200
MAXIN = 1
MAXOUT = 1
NETBIOSTIMEOUT = 500
NETBIOSRETRIES = 3
NAMECACHE = 1000
RNDOPTION = 1
PIGGYBACKACKS = 1
DATAGRAMPACKETS = 10
PACKETS = 335
LOOPPACKETS = 8
PIPELINE = 5
MAXTRANSMITS = 6
MINTRANSMITS = 2
DLCRETRIES = 10
FCPRIORITY = 5
NETFLAGS = 0x0

[tcpip_nif]

DriverName = TCPIP$
Bindings = RTL8139_nif

[RTL8139_nif]

DriverName = RTSND$
MEDIUM = "_AUTO"
NETADDRESS = "192.168.0.3"
TXFIFO = 10
NOIRQ = 0
APM = 1
CARDBUS = 0
FLOWCONTROL = "TXA_RXA"

I'm getting a message from config.sys now when I boot up, it says:

socket:Network is down

Any idea what this is telling me, and how to fix it?
I removed NetBios socket access using MPTS hoping that would get rid of the
socket error, but it didn't


> 3. Configure TCP/IP. DHCP in Warp 4 out of the box was a bit flaky, so I
> suggest trying to get it working with static IP first. We can always
> change that later once you know it works.
>
> For static IP, you need to configure:
> - IP address (if you have the default Netgear configuration, probably
> 192.168.0.something would be correct - I suggest you see what the
> computer uses when booted to Win98, and enter that one).
> - Subnet mask (almost certainly 255.255.255.0; again, copy from Windows).
> - Default route (what Windows calls "gateway") - whatever the LAN-side IP
> address of the Netgear router is.
> - DNS server, whatever your Windows system uses (probably also the Netgear
> IP address).
>
> Let us know if you need any help getting that configured. You can use the
> TCP/IP Configuration program, even though it's a bit ugly.
>
> --
> Alex Taylor
> Fukushima, Japan
> http://www.socis.ca/~ataylo00
>
> Please take off hat when replying.

Thanks,
Snyde

Hi Alex, and everyone,

>> I think my whole problem now with the network is I just don't know how to
>> set it up. The only experience I've had with networks is with Windows and
>> it takes care of all of this for you, pretty much.
>
> Yeah, OS/2 can take a bit of fiddling, especially on older (pre-4.5)
> versions.
>
> Basically, for working Internet, you need to make sure that:
> 1. The NIC driver is installed. You seem to have this.
> 2. The networking protocol (i.e. TCP/IP) is installed and "bound" to the
> NIC. You probably did this during install, but post the contents of
> \IBMCOM\PROTOCOL.INI and we'll take a look.
> 3. Configure TCP/IP. DHCP in Warp 4 out of the box was a bit flaky, so I
> suggest trying to get it working with static IP first. We can always
> change that later once you know it works.
>
> For static IP, you need to configure:
> - IP address (if you have the default Netgear configuration, probably
> 192.168.0.something would be correct - I suggest you see what the
> computer uses when booted to Win98, and enter that one).
> - Subnet mask (almost certainly 255.255.255.0; again, copy from Windows).
> - Default route (what Windows calls "gateway") - whatever the LAN-side IP
> address of the Netgear router is.
> - DNS server, whatever your Windows system uses (probably also the Netgear
> IP address).
>
> Let us know if you need any help getting that configured. You can use the
> TCP/IP Configuration program, even though it's a bit ugly.
>
> --
> Alex Taylor
> Fukushima, Japan
> http://www.socis.ca/~ataylo00
>
> Please take off hat when replying.

I went back into the TCP/IP LAN setup and added 192.168.0.1 for the gateway
and DNS server. I rebooted and nothing worked. So I went back in and
selected DCHP, saved, and rebooted.
When it rebooted I went to WebExplorer, typed in http://www.yahoo.com/ into
the URL field and I noticed in the upper right hand corner of the
WebExplorer window that the little computer monitor animation was moving,
but an error message come up and said "There is no viewer registered for
this type of file.Would you like to copy this file to your local disk?
ok/cancel" So I wondered if data was moving across the LAN from my router to
my computer, but I just couldn't view it. So I cancelled went back to the
desktop, and just for curiousity's sake I clicked on Connections > Web
Sites > OS/2 Related Web Pages > Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS
AND IT WORKED!!!!
I connected to http://www.os2bbs.com .
But this is what's happening: If I click the links that are in the Desktop >
Connections > Web Pages most of the pages will show up in WebExplorer and I
can view and navigate the site, if the website is still working.
If I manually type in an address, ie http://www.yahoo.com or www.yahoo.com
I get an error message saying that "There is no viewer registered for that
type of file. Would you like to copy the file to your local disk? And it
won't load the address into the browser. I wonder too if maybe it's "timing
out" too soon, because it puts that error on the screen rather quickly.
Any ideas what I need to do to get this working?
Thanks,
Snyde

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:28:24 UTC in comp.os.os2.misc, "Snydley"
wrote:

> Any ideas what I need to do to get this working?

Well, Webexplorer is prehistoric so updating to something made in the 21st
century might help!

Firefox or Seamonkey for OS/2 are both available and stand a much better chance
of working.

http://pmw-warpzilla.sf.net/

--
Trevor Hemsley, Brighton, UK
Trevor dot Hemsley at ntlworld dot com

Snydley wrote:

> I went back into the TCP/IP LAN setup and added 192.168.0.1 for the
> gateway and DNS server. I rebooted and nothing worked. So I went back in
> and selected DCHP, saved, and rebooted.
> When it rebooted I went to WebExplorer, typed in http://www.yahoo.com/
> into the URL field and I noticed in the upper right hand corner of the
> WebExplorer window that the little computer monitor animation was moving,
> but an error message come up and said "There is no viewer registered for
> this type of file.Would you like to copy this file to your local disk?
> ok/cancel" So I wondered if data was moving across the LAN from my router
> to my computer, but I just couldn't view it. So I cancelled went back to
> the desktop, and just for curiousity's sake I clicked on Â*Connections Â*>
> Web Sites > OS/2 Related Web Pages > Norloff's OS/2 Shareware BBS
> AND IT WORKED!!!!
> I connected to http://www.os2bbs.com .
> But this is what's happening: If I click the links that are in the Desktop
> > Connections > Web Pages most of the pages will show up in WebExplorer
> and I can view and navigate the site, if the website is still working.
> If I manually type in an address, ie Â*http://www.yahoo.com or
> www.yahoo.com I get an error message saying that "There is no viewer
> registered for that type of file. Would you like to copy the file to your
> local disk? And it won't load the address into the browser. I wonder too
> if maybe it's "timing out" too soon, because it puts that error on the
> screen rather quickly. Any ideas what I need to do to get this working?

Trevor has the best (and ultimately the only) solution. What you are likely
seeing is the web page is trying to load an image or script that WebEx
can't handle. That was a problem 5 - 10 years ago with WE and it certainly
hasn't gone away.

--
Will Honea
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

In , on 06/21/2008
at 01:54 PM, Paul Ratcliffe said:

Hi,

>> Personally, given that the driver loads successfully, I suspect that your
>> NIC is working OK.

>Probably, but it's not guaranteed. I have had NICs die on me. They would
>transmit OK (as confirmed by IPTRACE receiving incoming traffic on
>another system) but would not receive anything (when being Pinged from
>elsewhere and running a local IPTRACE).

I've seen a similar failure on working NICs when there is an interrupt
conflict. Typically, this occurs on older systems with some ISA cards.
Apparently, the driver does not need a working IRQ for transmit, but
definitely needs it for receive.


Steven

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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:14:43 UTC, "Snydley"
wrote:

> > For static IP, you need to configure:
> > - IP address
> > - Subnet mask
> > - Default route
>
> How do I find this? This is the kind of thing I don't know.
>
> > - DNS server, whatever your Windows system uses
>
> How do I find that too? I have DHCP set up on my Windows drive so I've
> never had to "mess" with those settings..

Run 'winipcfg' from Start->Run under Win98 and you should be able to find
out what it's using from the box(es) that pop up.


Although I see from your subsequent messages that you have it all pretty
much sorted, now.

--
Alex Taylor
Fukushima, Japan
http://www.socis.ca/~ataylo00

Please take off hat when replying.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:31:37 UTC, "Snydley"
wrote:

> Here's my protocol.ini file:

--snip--

> [tcpip_nif]
>
> DriverName = TCPIP$
> Bindings = RTL8139_nif
>
> [RTL8139_nif]
>
> DriverName = RTSND$
> MEDIUM = "_AUTO"
> NETADDRESS = "192.168.0.3"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I suggest you remove this particular setting. It doesn't mean your IP
address. I'm pretty sure it's an optional setting for overriding the
firmware MAC address in the Ethernet card.


Everything else looks fine, BTW.

--
Alex Taylor
Fukushima, Japan
http://www.socis.ca/~ataylo00

Please take off hat when replying.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:28:24 UTC, "Snydley"
wrote:

> When it rebooted I went to WebExplorer, typed in http://www.yahoo.com/
> into the URL field and I noticed in the upper right hand corner of the
> WebExplorer window that the little computer monitor animation was moving,
> but an error message come up and said "There is no viewer registered for
> this type of file.Would you like to copy this file to your local disk?
> ok/cancel" So I wondered if data was moving across the LAN from my router
> to my computer, but I just couldn't view it.

More correctly, the web page is loading, but WebExplorer simply doesn't
recognize the file type. It's probably choking on the embedded Javascript.

What this message is saying is: "I don't recognize this as viewable HTML, so
I assume it's a downloadable file." It's not a problem with your net
connection, just with WebExplorer.


> I wonder too if maybe it's "timing out" too soon, because it puts that
> error on the screen rather quickly. Any ideas what I need to do to get
> this working? Thanks,

It comes up quickly because it's only bothering to read the first few bytes
of the page before deciding it can't handle it.

Try a more old-fashioned website like http://hobbes.nmsu.edu and see if you
have more luck with that.

Your only problem here is that WebExplorer is 12 years old, and simply can't
handle a large number of modern websites. Imagine trying to surf the web
today using Netscape 1.0... same principle.


Eventually you'll want to install a browser like Mozilla, or at least
Netscape 4.61. But those will require some updates to your system first.
In the meantime, you might be able to use Links, which is crude but
serviceable:

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/apps/...s-2.1pre14.zip

This is a text-mode browser that runs in a command line window or full
screen. (It has a simple graphical mode too, if you run 'links -g'.)
Press 'Esc' while running to open the menubar, or 'g' to enter a URL.

You will also need to install the EMX runtime libraries in order to run
Links, but you will certainly want them on your system for other apps
anyway:

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/dev/emx/v0.9d/emxrt.zip

And to unzip these files, you'll need the latest UNZIP.EXE:
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/...r/unz552x2.exe
(Run the self-extracting archive and move unzip.exe to a directory on your
PATH.)


There are various other web browsers available for OS/2. However, they will
almost all require you to update your system with more recent service
updates (FixPaks, in the parlance).

If you've got your system installed and running to your satisfaction, I
suggest that it's time to install FixPak 15, which is the last Warp 4 FixPak
that was made available to the general public.

I suggest you peruse my website for some basic information about how FixPaks
work:
http://users.socis.ca/~ataylo00/os2/fixpaks/index.html
(This may or may not be viewable in WebExplorer; it is viewable in Links.)

--
Alex Taylor
Fukushima, Japan
http://www.socis.ca/~ataylo00

Please take off hat when replying.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:31:37 UTC, "Snydley" wrote:

I have a TCP/IP-only setup using a RTL8139 and a static IP (IMHO,
the OS/2 DHCP client is too slow & makes my boot take too long).
The settings in the following files work perfectly for me.


--------------------------
x:\MPTN\BIN\setup.cmd
--------------------------
route -fh
arp -f
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
ifconfig lan0 192.168.0.51 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.254 mtu 1500
hostid 127.0.0.1
route add default 192.168.0.1


Notes: Most home routers assign themselves an address of either
192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 then assign 192.168.x.2 and up to DHCP
clients. Consequently, you want assign yourself an address that
the DHCP server is unlikely to use - in this case, 51.

If you can't tell from your Win settings what the 3rd octet is
(i.e. 0 or 1), open up IE, then try surfing to 192.168.0.1.
If that times out, try 192.168.1.1. Eventually, you'll get the
log in for the router. Once you know the router's address, adjust
all of the addresses above & below accordingly.

BTW... you can run setup.cmd as many times as you need or want;
there's no need to reboot to try different addresses.


--------------------------
x:\MPTN\ETC\RESOLV2
--------------------------
nameserver 192.168.0.1


Notes: this file gives the system the address of your DNS server;
in this case, it's your router.


--------------------------
x:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL.INI
--------------------------
[PROT_MAN]

DRIVERNAME = PROTMAN$

[IBMLXCFG]

tcpip_nif = tcpip.nif
RTL8139_nif = RTL8139.nif

[tcpip_nif]

DriverName = TCPIP$
Bindings = RTL8139_nif

[RTL8139_nif]

DriverName = RTSND$
MEDIUM = "_AUTO"
NOIRQ = 0
APM = 1
CARDBUS = "NO"


Notes: this is for TCP/IP only. Once you have 'net connectivity,
you can go back and add in the Netbios stuff - if you actually
want it. For talking to WinXP or Mac OS X, I use SAMBA instead,
but we can defer that discussion for another day :-)


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Sir:

Steven Levine wrote:
> In , on 06/21/2008 at 01:54 PM,
> Paul Ratcliffe said:
>
> Hi,
>
>>> Personally, given that the driver loads successfully, I suspect
>>> that your NIC is working OK.
>
>> Probably, but it's not guaranteed. I have had NICs die on me. They
>> would transmit OK (as confirmed by IPTRACE receiving incoming
>> traffic on another system) but would not receive anything (when
>> being Pinged from elsewhere and running a local IPTRACE).
>
> I've seen a similar failure on working NICs when there is an
> interrupt conflict. Typically, this occurs on older systems with
> some ISA cards. Apparently, the driver does not need a working IRQ
> for transmit, but definitely needs it for receive.
>

I got a NIC that is failing to(while) preform(ing) the duplicate node
test with a return code of 8. This failure then causes the DHCPcp to
fail when
transmitting the request to the router's DHCPd for an address. But when
I start some program from the desktop that needs to be on the Internet,
everything connects after a short pause to get the local addy assigned.

Lantran.log logs the error as "LT00055: An unexpected error was returned
when the program tried to transmit the duplicate node address test. The
VFET2A_nif MAC return code is 8."


Can you think of any configuration error that would cause this?
--
Bill
Thanks a Million!

> Trevor has the best (and ultimately the only) solution. *What you are likely
> seeing is the web page is trying to load an image or script that WebEx
> can't handle. *That was a problem 5 - 10 years ago with WE and it certainly
> hasn't gone away.
>
> --
> Will Honea
> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm trying to get both, or either, Seamonkey or Firefox to run on my
Warp4 system. I've downloaded and followed the instructions to install
it, but when I type firefox to get it to run from an OS/2
full screen prompt the curser drops down a line, then the desktop
comes on screen for maybe 10 sec., then it goes back to the OS/2
screen with the prompt blinking at d:\firefox. The browsers won't run.
I also tried adding it as a program to the desktop, and when I click
on the Firefox icon, nothing happens. Does anyone know what I'm doing
wrong, and why it won't run? Is it broken, or am I doing something
wrong. This is my 1st outing with Os/2 and there's alot I don't know
here!! On another note, the "wonderful and all powerful RoadRunner"
has stopped it's newsgroups feed to my local area, so now I have to
read and reply from www.google.com. I'm looking for a free feed
somewhere, if that's not possible I'll have to keep posting like this.
Does anyone know of one?
Thanks,
Snyde

Hi Snydley

Snydley wrote:
>> Trevor has the best (and ultimately the only) solution. What you are likely
>> seeing is the web page is trying to load an image or script that WebEx
>> can't handle. That was a problem 5 - 10 years ago with WE and it certainly
>> hasn't gone away.
>>
>> --
>> Will Honea
>> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm trying to get both, or either, Seamonkey or Firefox to run on my
> Warp4 system. I've downloaded and followed the instructions to install
> it, but when I type firefox to get it to run from an OS/2
> full screen prompt the curser drops down a line, then the desktop
> comes on screen for maybe 10 sec., then it goes back to the OS/2
> screen with the prompt blinking at d:\firefox. The browsers won't run.
> I also tried adding it as a program to the desktop, and when I click
> on the Firefox icon, nothing happens. Does anyone know what I'm doing
> wrong, and why it won't run? Is it broken, or am I doing something
> wrong. This is my 1st outing with Os/2 and there's alot I don't know
> here!! On another note, the "wonderful and all powerful RoadRunner"
> has stopped it's newsgroups feed to my local area, so now I have to
> read and reply from www.google.com. I'm looking for a free feed
> somewhere, if that's not possible I'll have to keep posting like this.
> Does anyone know of one?
> Thanks,
> Snyde
>
>



Do you have the required libc**.dll files installed? - check
Firefox/Seamonkey readme files for details or check here
http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Warpzilla.html


Regards

Pete

On Jun 24, 9:23*am, Peter Brown
wrote:
> Hi Snydley
>
>
>
>
>
> Snydley wrote:
> >> Trevor has the best (and ultimately the only) solution. *What you are likely
> >> seeing is the web page is trying to load an image or script that WebEx
> >> can't handle. *That was a problem 5 - 10 years ago with WE and it certainly
> >> hasn't gone away.
>
> >> --
> >> Will Honea
> >> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**-Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I'm trying to get both, or either, Seamonkey or Firefox to run on my
> > Warp4 system. I've downloaded and followed the instructions to install
> > it, but when I type firefox * to get it to run from an OS/2
> > full screen prompt the curser drops down a line, then the desktop
> > comes on screen for maybe 10 sec., then it goes back to the OS/2
> > screen with the prompt blinking at d:\firefox. The browsers won't run.
> > I also tried adding it as a program to the desktop, and when I click
> > on the Firefox icon, nothing happens. Does anyone know what I'm doing
> > wrong, and why it won't run? Is it broken, or am I doing something
> > wrong. This is my 1st outing with Os/2 and there's alot I don't know
> > here!! On another note, the "wonderful and all powerful RoadRunner"
> > has stopped it's newsgroups feed to my local area, so now I have to
> > read and reply fromwww.google.com. I'm looking for a free feed
> > somewhere, if that's not possible I'll have to keep posting like this.
> > Does anyone know of one?
> > Thanks,
> > Snyde
>
> Do you have the required libc**.dll files installed? - check
> Firefox/Seamonkey readme files for details or check herehttp://www.os2bbs..com/os2news/Warpzilla.html
>
> Regards
>
> Pete- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sure do. I went by the directions in the read me file. I wonder if
there's more to installing it than just unzipping it to an empty
directory on the hard drive and typing firefox? There was no installer
for firefox or the library files. I made a directory d:\firefox and
xcopied all of the firefox files from my F: cdrom drive,(with the /s
(subdirectory switch)), to the d:\firefox directory from a DOS window.
I then copied the library files to d:\firefox and when it didn't work
I also copied the library files to d:\os2\dll. Then went to d:
\firefox, in a DOS window, and typed attrib *.* -r /s in case they
were still read only. I'm trying to run Firefox from an OS/2 window
and full screen. I also tried to add it to the desktop via>
OS/2 PROGRAMS > SYSTEM SETUP > INSTALL PROGRAMS > SEARCH & SELECT
PROGRAMS TO ADD.
There is now an Additional OS/2 programs folder with Firefox in it.
When I double click it nothing happens. When I select it, right click
on it, select "Properties" the "Session" tab is "greyed out". I can't
select anything here. It makes me think it didn't install correctly,
or there's something else I have to do to install it.
Any idea?
Thanks,
Snyde

Snydley wrote:

> There is now an Additional OS/2 programs folder with Firefox in it.
> When I double click it nothing happens. When I select it, right click
> on it, select "Properties" the "Session" tab is "greyed out". I can't
> select anything here. It makes me think it didn't install correctly,
> or there's something else I have to do to install it.
> Any idea?
_____
I only installed the SeaMonkey browser and email client on my system.
If i recall correctly, i needed to upgrade the OS/2 system with fixpack
15 for SeaMonkey to work, and add the required libc.
--
Regards / JCH

On 06/24/08 07:42 am, Snydley wrote:
> On Jun 24, 9:23 am, Peter Brown
> wrote:
>> Hi Snydley
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Snydley wrote:
>>>> Trevor has the best (and ultimately the only) solution. What you are likely
>>>> seeing is the web page is trying to load an image or script that WebEx
>>>> can't handle. That was a problem 5 - 10 years ago with WE and it certainly
>>>> hasn't gone away.
>>>> --
>>>> Will Honea
>>>> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**-Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> I'm trying to get both, or either, Seamonkey or Firefox to run on my
>>> Warp4 system. I've downloaded and followed the instructions to install
>>> it, but when I type firefox to get it to run from an OS/2
>>> full screen prompt the curser drops down a line, then the desktop
>>> comes on screen for maybe 10 sec., then it goes back to the OS/2
>>> screen with the prompt blinking at d:\firefox. The browsers won't run.
>>> I also tried adding it as a program to the desktop, and when I click
>>> on the Firefox icon, nothing happens. Does anyone know what I'm doing
>>> wrong, and why it won't run? Is it broken, or am I doing something
>>> wrong. This is my 1st outing with Os/2 and there's alot I don't know
>>> here!! On another note, the "wonderful and all powerful RoadRunner"
>>> has stopped it's newsgroups feed to my local area, so now I have to
>>> read and reply fromwww.google.com. I'm looking for a free feed
>>> somewhere, if that's not possible I'll have to keep posting like this.
>>> Does anyone know of one?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Snyde
>> Do you have the required libc**.dll files installed? - check
>> Firefox/Seamonkey readme files for details or check herehttp://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Warpzilla.html
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Pete- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Sure do. I went by the directions in the read me file. I wonder if
> there's more to installing it than just unzipping it to an empty
> directory on the hard drive and typing firefox? There was no installer
> for firefox or the library files. I made a directory d:\firefox and
> xcopied all of the firefox files from my F: cdrom drive,(with the /s
> (subdirectory switch)), to the d:\firefox directory from a DOS window.
> I then copied the library files to d:\firefox and when it didn't work
> I also copied the library files to d:\os2\dll. Then went to d:
> \firefox, in a DOS window, and typed attrib *.* -r /s in case they
> were still read only. I'm trying to run Firefox from an OS/2 window
> and full screen. I also tried to add it to the desktop via>
> OS/2 PROGRAMS> SYSTEM SETUP> INSTALL PROGRAMS> SEARCH& SELECT
> PROGRAMS TO ADD.
> There is now an Additional OS/2 programs folder with Firefox in it.
> When I double click it nothing happens. When I select it, right click
> on it, select "Properties" the "Session" tab is "greyed out". I can't
> select anything here. It makes me think it didn't install correctly,
> or there's something else I have to do to install it.
> Any idea?
> Thanks,
> Snyde

Your problem is that you copied the files in a DOS window. DOS (on OS/2)
only supports 8.3 filenames and the Mozilla apps use long filenames.
There is also the matter of Extended Attributes which may also get lost
in copying.
Best to copy the zip file to your OS/2 partition and then unzip.
You should also set MOZILLA_HOME in your config.sys to point to a
directory separate from where you install Firefox/Seamonkey. This will
be where your profiles are kept and you can update the apps without
losing your profile
Dave

jch wrote:
> Snydley wrote:
>
>> There is now an Additional OS/2 programs folder with Firefox in it.
>> When I double click it nothing happens. When I select it, right click
>> on it, select "Properties" the "Session" tab is "greyed out". I can't
>> select anything here. It makes me think it didn't install correctly,
>> or there's something else I have to do to install it.
>> Any idea?
> _____
> I only installed the SeaMonkey browser and email client on my system. If
> i recall correctly, i needed to upgrade the OS/2 system with fixpack 15
> for SeaMonkey to work, and add the required libc.
_____
Forgot to mention versions i installed:
libc-0.5.1.exe
seamonkey-1.1.9.en-US.os2.installer.exe
--
Regards / JCH

On Jun 24, 11:15*am, Dave Yeo wrote:
> On 06/24/08 07:42 am, Snydley wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 24, 9:23 am, Peter Brown
> > wrote:
> >> Hi Snydley
>
> >> Snydley wrote:
> >>>> Trevor has the best (and ultimately the only) solution. *What you are likely
> >>>> seeing is the web page is trying to load an image or script that WebEx
> >>>> can't handle. *That was a problem 5 - 10 years ago with WE and it certainly
> >>>> hasn't gone away.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Will Honea
> >>>> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**-Hidequoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> I'm trying to get both, or either, Seamonkey or Firefox to run on my
> >>> Warp4 system. I've downloaded and followed the instructions to install
> >>> it, but when I type firefox * * to get it to run from an OS/2
> >>> full screen prompt the curser drops down a line, then the desktop
> >>> comes on screen for maybe 10 sec., then it goes back to the OS/2
> >>> screen with the prompt blinking at d:\firefox. The browsers won't run..
> >>> I also tried adding it as a program to the desktop, and when I click
> >>> on the Firefox icon, nothing happens. Does anyone know what I'm doing
> >>> wrong, and why it won't run? Is it broken, or am I doing something
> >>> wrong. This is my 1st outing with Os/2 and there's alot I don't know
> >>> here!! On another note, the "wonderful and all powerful RoadRunner"
> >>> has stopped it's newsgroups feed to my local area, so now I have to
> >>> read and reply fromwww.google.com. I'm looking for a free feed
> >>> somewhere, if that's not possible I'll have to keep posting like this..
> >>> Does anyone know of one?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Snyde
> >> Do you have the required libc**.dll files installed? - check
> >> Firefox/Seamonkey readme files for details or check herehttp://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/Warpzilla.html
>
> >> Regards
>
> >> Pete- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Sure do. I went by the directions in the read me file. I wonder if
> > there's more to installing it than just unzipping it to an empty
> > directory on the hard drive and typing firefox? There was no installer
> > for firefox or the library files. I made a directory d:\firefox and
> > xcopied all of the firefox files from my F: cdrom drive,(with the /s
> > (subdirectory switch)), to the d:\firefox directory from a DOS window.
> > I then copied the library files to d:\firefox and when it didn't work
> > I also copied the library files to d:\os2\dll. Then went to d:
> > \firefox, in a DOS window, and typed attrib *.* -r /s in case they
> > were still read only. I'm trying to run Firefox from an OS/2 window
> > and full screen. I also tried to add it to the desktop via>
> > OS/2 PROGRAMS> *SYSTEM SETUP> *INSTALL PROGRAMS> *SEARCH& *SELECT
> > PROGRAMS TO ADD.
> > There is now an Additional OS/2 programs folder with Firefox in it.
> > When I double click it nothing happens. When I select it, right click
> > on it, select "Properties" the "Session" tab is "greyed out". I can't
> > select anything here. It makes me think it didn't install correctly,
> > or there's something else I have to do to install it.
> > Any idea?
> > Thanks,
> > Snyde
>
> Your problem is that you copied the files in a DOS window. DOS (on OS/2)
> only supports 8.3 filenames and the Mozilla apps use long filenames.
> There is also the matter of Extended Attributes which may also get lost
> in copying.
> Best to copy the zip file to your OS/2 partition and then unzip.
> You should also set MOZILLA_HOME in your config.sys to point to a
> directory separate from where you install Firefox/Seamonkey. This will
> be where your profiles are kept and you can update the apps without
> losing your profile
> Dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Geez, this is starting to get ridiculous. Apparently, my OS/2 system
isn't seeing long filenames either, or is it the 16 bit Winzip ver.
6.3 that is in the Programs > Utilities folder that I'm trying to use
to unzip it? It sees firefox-3.0.en-US.os2.zip as firefox_.zip. Do you
know what I have wrong now? Do I have to use a different unzip
program, or enable long filenames in Warp or something?
Thanks for your patience, and help,
Snyde