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  1. Ubuntu sucks

    I've played around a little with SUSE which I thought was alright, but
    figured with all I hear about Ubuntu, it was worth a shot. so I
    downloaded 7.04, burned a CD and booted it from my main desktop box.

    after going through the first series of questions, the disk
    partitioning chapter came up, defaulted to managing the entire disk,
    rather than the freespace at the end, which I didn't appreciate.

    eventually I got it to offer me a swap partition and another for
    installation -- but even then I had a hard time getting the radio
    button to format the new partitions.

    the installation started, then aborted in five minutes with a cryptic
    message about setting up the disks. I yanked the CD & when I tried to
    reboot, the system hung, looking for a CD from which to boot. when I
    rebooted from a DFSee CD (thank goodness for DFSee) I saw that Ubuntu
    had wiped away the Boot Manager contents.

    say what you will about SUSE, it never did anything close to that.
    any recommendations? for another distro?


  2. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    rafe wrote:
    > I've played around a little with SUSE which I thought was alright, but
    > figured with all I hear about Ubuntu, it was worth a shot. so I
    > downloaded 7.04, burned a CD and booted it from my main desktop box.
    >
    > after going through the first series of questions, the disk
    > partitioning chapter came up, defaulted to managing the entire disk,
    > rather than the freespace at the end, which I didn't appreciate.
    >
    > eventually I got it to offer me a swap partition and another for
    > installation -- but even then I had a hard time getting the radio
    > button to format the new partitions.
    >
    > the installation started, then aborted in five minutes with a cryptic
    > message about setting up the disks. I yanked the CD & when I tried to
    > reboot, the system hung, looking for a CD from which to boot. when I
    > rebooted from a DFSee CD (thank goodness for DFSee) I saw that Ubuntu
    > had wiped away the Boot Manager contents.
    >
    > say what you will about SUSE, it never did anything close to that.
    > any recommendations? for another distro?
    >

    you just do not like the defaults. A chacun son gout. If you follow the
    advanced route (ie hot shots) is goes pretty well.

  3. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On Tue, 22 May 2007 13:08:01 UTC, rafe wrote:

    > I've played around a little with SUSE which I thought was alright, but
    > figured with all I hear about Ubuntu, it was worth a shot. so I
    > downloaded 7.04, burned a CD and booted it from my main desktop box.
    >
    > after going through the first series of questions, the disk
    > partitioning chapter came up, defaulted to managing the entire disk,
    > rather than the freespace at the end, which I didn't appreciate.
    >
    > eventually I got it to offer me a swap partition and another for
    > installation -- but even then I had a hard time getting the radio
    > button to format the new partitions.
    >
    > the installation started, then aborted in five minutes with a cryptic
    > message about setting up the disks. I yanked the CD & when I tried to
    > reboot, the system hung, looking for a CD from which to boot. when I
    > rebooted from a DFSee CD (thank goodness for DFSee) I saw that Ubuntu
    > had wiped away the Boot Manager contents.
    >
    > say what you will about SUSE, it never did anything close to that.
    > any recommendations? for another distro?
    >


    Xandros plays pretty well with OS/2 and boot manager. However, I am not
    impressed with their support. They don't seem to update the common
    applications like Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office, etc. as new
    releases come out..

    --
    Chuck McKinnis
    mckinnis@sandia.net
    Covenant Solutions
    http://7cities.net/~mckinnis/

  4. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    rafe wrote:

    > I've played around a little with SUSE which I thought was alright, but
    > figured with all I hear about Ubuntu, it was worth a shot. so I
    > downloaded 7.04, burned a CD and booted it from my main desktop box.
    >
    > after going through the first series of questions, the disk
    > partitioning chapter came up, defaulted to managing the entire disk,
    > rather than the freespace at the end, which I didn't appreciate.
    >
    > eventually I got it to offer me a swap partition and another for
    > installation -- but even then I had a hard time getting the radio
    > button to format the new partitions.
    >
    > the installation started, then aborted in five minutes with a cryptic
    > message about setting up the disks. I yanked the CD & when I tried to
    > reboot, the system hung, looking for a CD from which to boot. when I
    > rebooted from a DFSee CD (thank goodness for DFSee) I saw that Ubuntu
    > had wiped away the Boot Manager contents.
    >
    > say what you will about SUSE, it never did anything close to that.
    > any recommendations? for another distro?


    I've tried several - Ubuntu, openSUSE, Red Hat, Mandriva, Gentoo - and
    basically decided that openSUSE was the least hassle and the easiest
    install to control (I run at least 4 OSs on the sandbox machine). I did
    manage to convince Ubuntu to leave the @#$%^ MBR alone, but it's a fight
    and I am not impressed by the result anyway.

    --
    Will Honea

  5. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    Am 22.05.07 08.08 schrieb rafe:
    > I've played around a little with SUSE which I thought was alright, but
    > figured with all I hear about Ubuntu, it was worth a shot. so I
    > downloaded 7.04, burned a CD and booted it from my main desktop box.
    >
    > after going through the first series of questions, the disk
    > partitioning chapter came up, defaulted to managing the entire disk,
    > rather than the freespace at the end, which I didn't appreciate.
    >
    > eventually I got it to offer me a swap partition and another for
    > installation -- but even then I had a hard time getting the radio
    > button to format the new partitions.
    >
    > the installation started, then aborted in five minutes with a cryptic
    > message about setting up the disks. I yanked the CD & when I tried to
    > reboot, the system hung, looking for a CD from which to boot. when I
    > rebooted from a DFSee CD (thank goodness for DFSee) I saw that Ubuntu
    > had wiped away the Boot Manager contents.


    Did you use the Live/Desktop CD?

    AFAIK the Live/Desktop version still installs straight into your MBR and is
    mainly targeted for Windows users, gotten curious about Linux.

    In order to do a more customised installation, as it most likely would be the
    case for most of us here, one has to use the Alternate CD, which offers more
    options and allows for the boot loader to be installed into the target
    partition's boot record, from where it can be started by the OS/2 Boot Manager.


  6. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On 22 May 2007 06:08:01 -0700, rafe wrote:

    :>I've played around a little with SUSE which I thought was alright, but
    :>figured with all I hear about Ubuntu, it was worth a shot. so I
    :>downloaded 7.04, burned a CD and booted it from my main desktop box.
    :>
    :>after going through the first series of questions, the disk
    :>partitioning chapter came up, defaulted to managing the entire disk,
    :>rather than the freespace at the end, which I didn't appreciate.
    :>
    :>eventually I got it to offer me a swap partition and another for
    :>installation -- but even then I had a hard time getting the radio
    :>button to format the new partitions.
    :>
    :>the installation started, then aborted in five minutes with a cryptic
    :>message about setting up the disks. I yanked the CD & when I tried to
    :>reboot, the system hung, looking for a CD from which to boot. when I
    :>rebooted from a DFSee CD (thank goodness for DFSee) I saw that Ubuntu
    :>had wiped away the Boot Manager contents.
    :>
    :>say what you will about SUSE, it never did anything close to that.
    :>any recommendations? for another distro?

    I'm reasonably happy with Mandriva, but always installed the real thing, not
    from the live CD, so I'm not sure how the 'live cd' install would go. All my
    machine are multiboot (using airboot now).

    Mat Nieuwenhoven



  7. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    rafe wrote:

    > say what you will about SUSE, it never did anything close to that.
    > any recommendations? for another distro?


    I gave once Fedora a shot and I liked it pretty much.




  8. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    Wayne wrote:
    > On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:19 +0200, Riccardo Rubini wrote:
    >
    >
    >>rafe wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>say what you will about SUSE, it never did anything close to that. any
    >>>recommendations? for another distro?

    >>
    >>I gave once Fedora a shot and I liked it pretty much.

    >
    >
    > At least it isn't owned by Microsucks like Novell/Suse
    >
    > Wayne


    I installed Slacware on a machine 1ith 32MB [note] a year or so ago and
    liked it. I upgraded to 64MB and found that current versions of Ubuntu
    and RedHat require lots more memory just to install.

    [note] may be 16MB and 32MB, I can't recall just now, but anyhow the
    bloat is amazing.


  9. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On Thu, 24 May 2007 17:56:36 -0500, Peter Flass wrote:

    > I installed Slacware on a machine 1ith 32MB [note] a year or so ago and
    > liked it. I upgraded to 64MB and found that current versions of Ubuntu
    > and RedHat require lots more memory just to install.
    >
    > [note] may be 16MB and 32MB, I can't recall just now, but anyhow the
    > bloat is amazing.


    I hear noises of satisfaction coming from people using Debian Etch.
    I had trouble installing Xubuntu on a machine with limited memory,
    even though it was the minimum required it still would stop when
    coming to the partitioner. Had to use the alternative CD. I
    recently installed Ubuntu on another machine and it went with no
    problem. That version is a Japanese customised version and the
    DBCS fonts are a million times better looking than installing
    the English version with Japanese language support. Once I had
    it installed I just switched the default language to UK English.

    Wayne
    --
    Registered Linux user #375994
    http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/

  10. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On 2007/05/24 12:28 (GMT+0200) Riccardo Rubini apparently typed:

    > rafe wrote:


    >> say what you will about SUSE, it never did anything close to that.
    >> any recommendations? for another distro?


    I've tried a bunch, but haven't found anything better than SUSE.

    > I gave once Fedora a shot and I liked it pretty much.


    Must have been a quick shot that didn't include accessing HPFS partitions
    while booted to Fedora. SUSE, Mandriva, Debian & *buntu at least don't make
    you recompile the kernel to gain access to OS/2 partitions.
    --
    "The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, shining
    ever brighter till the full light of day." Proverbs 4:18 NIV

    Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

    Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/

  11. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On May 27, 9:48 am, Felix Miata
    wrote:
    > On 2007/05/24 12:28 (GMT+0200) Riccardo Rubini apparently typed:
    >
    > > rafe wrote:
    > >> say what you will about SUSE, it never did anything close to that.
    > >> any recommendations? for another distro?

    >
    > I've tried a bunch, but haven't found anything better than SUSE.


    this OS/2 setup has been giving me some trouble (hopefully resolved)
    but in an attempt to check out the HW I booted the SUSE 10.1 DVD and
    tried to install. it told me I have too many partitions (I do, about
    15 or so) and I couldn't figure out a way to install without it
    wanting to delete a bunch. is there a workaround?


  12. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On 2007/05/27 08:24 (GMT-0700) rafe apparently typed:

    > this OS/2 setup has been giving me some trouble (hopefully resolved)
    > but in an attempt to check out the HW I booted the SUSE 10.1 DVD and
    > tried to install. it told me I have too many partitions (I do, about
    > 15 or so) and I couldn't figure out a way to install without it
    > wanting to delete a bunch. is there a workaround?


    Not if you're trying to install to SATA. This problem is a kernel problem, not a SUSE problem. All recent distros that don't already have it soon will.

    I don't remember what the story was in 10.1, but in 10.2 to install to PATA you provide to the kernel during installation boot the following:

    brokenmodules=ata_piix

    https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=214992
    --
    "Respect everyone." I Peter 2:17 NIV

    Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

    Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/

  13. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On Jun 12, 8:42 am, Felix Miata
    wrote:
    > On 2007/05/27 08:24 (GMT-0700) rafe apparently typed:
    >
    > > this OS/2 setup has been giving me some trouble (hopefully resolved)
    > > but in an attempt to check out the HW I booted the SUSE 10.1 DVD and
    > > tried to install. it told me I have too many partitions (I do, about
    > > 15 or so) and I couldn't figure out a way to install without it
    > > wanting to delete a bunch. is there a workaround?

    >
    > Not if you're trying to install to SATA. This problem is a kernel problem, not a SUSE problem. All recent distros that don't already have it soon will.
    >
    > I don't remember what the story was in 10.1, but in 10.2 to install to PATA you provide to the kernel during installation boot the following:
    >
    > brokenmodules=ata_piix
    >
    > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=214992
    > --
    > "Respect everyone." I Peter 2:17 NIV
    >
    > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409
    >
    > Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/




    just as a side note: as it happens, the drive is scsi, with 20 logical
    partitions on it. the last day or two I've made a few attempts with
    the Alternate CD but I can't seem to find a way to get it to partition
    it successfully: I've put a 1MB swap partition, a 10MB partition for
    \, and a 7MB Home partition, but it keeps reporting "the ext3 file
    system creation in partition #20 of scsi1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed"

    but -- that's actually not why I'm posting: I'm about to take delivery
    of a new little box

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856110057

    on which I plan to install some flavor of Linux, plus XP, and might
    even someday take a crack at with ecs 1.2. I'll partition with DFSee,
    then install ubuntu (hopefully), then XP.

    what I can't seem to grasp is, at what point in the ubuntu
    installation process do I specify that the boot loader be installed
    into the ubuntu partition's boot record?

    & I don't know if it's realated, but the ubuntu install routine wipes
    out Boot Manager every time.

    -rafe


  14. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:33:00 UTC, rafe wrote:

    > On Jun 12, 8:42 am, Felix Miata


    --snip--

    Looked at ubuntu by running it off the CD but was never impressed enough
    to install it.

    > but -- that's actually not why I'm posting: I'm about to take delivery
    > of a new little box
    >
    > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856110057
    >
    > on which I plan to install some flavor of Linux, plus XP, and might
    > even someday take a crack at with ecs 1.2. I'll partition with DFSee,
    > then install ubuntu (hopefully), then XP.


    --snip--

    Having set up a couple of boxes with OS2, DOS6.22, W98, XP, and Linux
    (one of then with both red hat and suse), I recommend creating all the
    partitions you're going to need at the outset because creating them
    later can render XP incapable of booting on account of teh resulting
    changes the partioning enumeration within XP. It's possible to fix this
    by editing boot.ini manually, but it can be a pain. Use IBM's Boot
    Manager, GRUB (not lilo), and put GRUB in the linux /boot directory.
    Don't let any partitioning tools other than DFSee tinker with the MBR
    and partition tables.

    HTH,
    Pete

    --


  15. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On Aug 8, 2:40 pm, "Pete" wrote:
    > On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:33:00 UTC, rafe wrote:
    > > On Jun 12, 8:42 am, Felix Miata

    >
    > --snip--
    >
    > Looked at ubuntu by running it off the CD but was never impressed enough
    > to install it.
    >
    > > but -- that's actually not why I'm posting: I'm about to take delivery
    > > of a new little box

    >
    > >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856110057

    >
    > > on which I plan to install some flavor of Linux, plus XP, and might
    > > even someday take a crack at with ecs 1.2. I'll partition with DFSee,
    > > then install ubuntu (hopefully), then XP.

    >
    > --snip--
    >
    > Having set up a couple of boxes with OS2, DOS6.22, W98, XP, and Linux
    > (one of then with both red hat and suse), I recommend creating all the
    > partitions you're going to need at the outset because creating them
    > later can render XP incapable of booting on account of teh resulting
    > changes the partioning enumeration within XP. It's possible to fix this
    > by editing boot.ini manually, but it can be a pain. Use IBM's Boot
    > Manager, GRUB (not lilo), and put GRUB in the linux /boot directory.
    > Don't let any partitioning tools other than DFSee tinker with the MBR
    > and partition tables.
    >
    > HTH,
    > Pete
    >
    > --



    I think it used grub. unfortunately after I selected guided
    partitioning, it more or less took off and that was that, so I don't
    really know. it's my secondary machine that I use mostly for the
    iPod, archiving photos (I have to use the Nikon s/w as well as
    Photoshop), and burning CDs.

    I just put ubuntu on yesterday, and after an hour I couldn't say I
    prefer it to SUSE, not by a long shot -- though YAST sometimes takes
    my lifetime, in fact none of the package handlers people have put
    together for SUSE has really does everything right. I wanted to try
    ubuntu out, see if someday I could make it do, but I haven't seen how
    yet. (have never figured out how to get decent screen resolution out
    of either distro, maybe I'm missing something.) haven't seen anything
    to impel me off OS/2, really, and won't look much harder unless Dosbox
    gets much better.

    if someone would buy Snap, that would be pretty good. this is really
    quite a nifty little system, I wish I could get OS/2 running on it.


  16. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On Aug 10, 11:30 am, rafe wrote:
    > On Aug 8, 2:40 pm, "Pete" wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 16:33:00 UTC, rafe wrote:
    > > > On Jun 12, 8:42 am, Felix Miata

    >
    > > --snip--

    >
    > > Looked at ubuntu by running it off the CD but was never impressed enough
    > > to install it.

    >
    > > > but -- that's actually not why I'm posting: I'm about to take delivery
    > > > of a new little box

    >
    > > >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856110057

    >
    > > > on which I plan to install some flavor of Linux, plus XP, and might
    > > > even someday take a crack at with ecs 1.2. I'll partition with DFSee,
    > > > then install ubuntu (hopefully), then XP.

    >
    > > --snip--

    >
    > > Having set up a couple of boxes with OS2, DOS6.22, W98, XP, and Linux
    > > (one of then with both red hat and suse), I recommend creating all the
    > > partitions you're going to need at the outset because creating them
    > > later can render XP incapable of booting on account of teh resulting
    > > changes the partioning enumeration within XP. It's possible to fix this
    > > by editing boot.ini manually, but it can be a pain. Use IBM's Boot
    > > Manager, GRUB (not lilo), and put GRUB in the linux /boot directory.
    > > Don't let any partitioning tools other than DFSee tinker with the MBR
    > > and partition tables.

    >
    > > HTH,
    > > Pete

    >
    > > --

    >
    > I think it used grub. unfortunately after I selected guided
    > partitioning, it more or less took off and that was that, so I don't
    > really know. it's my secondary machine that I use mostly for the
    > iPod, archiving photos (I have to use the Nikon s/w as well as
    > Photoshop), and burning CDs.
    >
    > I just put ubuntu on yesterday, and after an hour I couldn't say I
    > prefer it to SUSE, not by a long shot -- though YAST sometimes takes
    > my lifetime, in fact none of the package handlers people have put
    > together for SUSE has really does everything right. I wanted to try
    > ubuntu out, see if someday I could make it do, but I haven't seen how
    > yet. (have never figured out how to get decent screen resolution out
    > of either distro, maybe I'm missing something.) haven't seen anything
    > to impel me off OS/2, really, and won't look much harder unless Dosbox
    > gets much better.
    >
    > if someone would buy Snap, that would be pretty good. this is really
    > quite a nifty little system, I wish I could get OS/2 running on it.



    to return to the thread subject: I ended up blowing away ubuntu in
    favor of SUSE 10.2. maybe I am a MS patsy, but SUSE seems light-years
    ahead, and ZEN seems to work a little better.


  17. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    rafe wrote:

    > to return to the thread subject: I ended up blowing away ubuntu in
    > favor of SUSE 10.2. *maybe I am a MS patsy, but SUSE seems light-years
    > ahead, and ZEN seems to work a little better.


    Same rationale for moving - but while you may like Zen, just wait until it
    bites you in the butt! CPU hog and flakey, it's gone from the 10.3
    version. SMART id supposed to be good, but the stodgy old YAST way has
    been the most reliable for me.

    --
    Will Honea

  18. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On 2007/08/08 16:33 (GMT) rafe apparently typed:

    > just as a side note: as it happens, the drive is scsi, with 20 logical
    > partitions on it. the last day or two I've made a few attempts with
    > the Alternate CD but I can't seem to find a way to get it to partition
    > it successfully: I've put a 1MB swap partition, a 10MB partition for
    > \, and a 7MB Home partition, but it keeps reporting "the ext3 file
    > system creation in partition #20 of scsi1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed"


    Linux architecture prohibits SCSI devices from containing more than 15
    partitions. I've never tried, but I suppose by using DFSee or other non-Linux
    partitioning tools that you may be able to have more than 15 as long as all
    above 15 are non-Linux-native types or otherwise never need to be accessed by
    Linux.
    --
    " It is impossible to rightly govern the world without
    God and the Bible." George Washington

    Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

    Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/

  19. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On 2007/08/14 13:58 (GMT) rafe apparently typed:

    > to return to the thread subject: I ended up blowing away ubuntu in
    > favor of SUSE 10.2. maybe I am a MS patsy, but SUSE seems light-years
    > ahead, and ZEN seems to work a little better.


    You might want to try Smart. It's what I'm using from command line in 10.3
    Factory while YaST/zyyper problems continue, though I continue with YaST from
    GUI. Zen is gone from openSUSE 10.3.
    --
    " It is impossible to rightly govern the world without
    God and the Bible." George Washington

    Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409

    Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/

  20. Re: Ubuntu sucks

    On Aug 27, 6:52 pm, Felix Miata
    wrote:
    > On 2007/08/14 13:58 (GMT) rafe apparently typed:
    >
    > > to return to the thread subject: I ended up blowing away ubuntu in
    > > favor of SUSE 10.2. maybe I am a MS patsy, but SUSE seems light-years
    > > ahead, and ZEN seems to work a little better.

    >
    > You might want to try Smart. It's what I'm using from command line in 10.3
    > Factory while YaST/zyyper problems continue, though I continue with YaST from
    > GUI. Zen is gone from openSUSE 10.3.
    > --
    > " It is impossible to rightly govern the world without
    > God and the Bible." George Washington
    >
    > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409
    >
    > Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/



    I used Smart after I got fed up with both Zen and YAST with 10.1, & I
    thought it was fine. (Zen however has, as Will predicted, turned
    messy on 10.2.)

    so far I haven't gotten terribly ambitious with 10.2 but it's probably
    only a matter of weeks or months before I start needing to install
    multimedia stuff. with the dependencies and three or four different
    installation tools, I start to get a bit nervous.


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