I've always hated agreements like that.

Tim/Jeff/Ron/Larry/Meng/Susan/whoever wrote:
> This means, of course, that every OS/2 user with a Passport
> Advantage contract/subscription will never have to go back to
> IBM and "re-Up' for another 12 months, IBM will assume you
> want to continue receiving your updates, new enhancements,
> software refreshes, etc., and just send you an email or snail
> mail billing.

So you'll be charged for another 12 months even though OS/2 support and
updates via PA ends on Jan 1, 2006, when the product line officially
reaches end-of-life. Sounds great!

Has anyone looked into whether or not a PA subscription can be
pro-rated, if you only want the subscription up until they stop updating
OS/2?

In <421f67f4$1@news.cadence.com>, on 02/25/2005
at 10:01 AM, Marty said:

>Tim/Jeff/Ron/Larry/Meng/Susan/whoever wrote:
>> This means, of course, that every OS/2 user with a Passport
>> Advantage contract/subscription will never have to go back to
>> IBM and "re-Up' for another 12 months, IBM will assume you
>> want to continue receiving your updates, new enhancements,
>> software refreshes, etc., and just send you an email or snail
>> mail billing.

>So you'll be charged for another 12 months even though OS/2 support and
>updates via PA ends on Jan 1, 2006, when the product line officially
>reaches end-of-life. Sounds great!


Of course you don't want read the other and more current words of IBM --
Because they makes an idiot out you -- and stop your ecs shill games dead
in their tracks:

"* OS/2 Support: IBM plans to provide Program support (technical support
and code-related defect questions) for OS/2 Warp 4 Convenience Packages
and for Warp Server for e-business Convenience Packages through 31
December 2006 for Passport Advantage customers with active Software
Maintenance."

Now we know your pretty dumb, but Dec 31, 2006 comes almost a year after
Jan 1, 2006. -->You should have learned that by the first grade
marty-jeff the mallard (and troll).

Going further, right below the list with SSI on it as a ISV that you
shills think means something, IBM states in big type:

"All statements regarding Ibm's future direction and intent are subject to
change or withdrawal without notice, and represent goals and objectives
only."




>Has anyone looked into whether or not a PA subscription can be
>pro-rated, if you only want the subscription up until they stop updating
>OS/2?

No, but you need to talk with hubert about getting another butt plug. You
post less nonsense here when you have one that works.

The OS/2 Guy wrote:

>
> IBM's OS/2 OEM contract with Managed Systems aka the
> fake Serenity Systems of Texas, ends on January 1, 2006

No .. that is not correct. SSI has been an IBM OEM since 1998. No plans
to change this status.

Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems International

Bob StJohn wrote:
> The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>
>>
>> IBM's OS/2 OEM contract with Managed Systems aka the
>> fake Serenity Systems of Texas, ends on January 1, 2006
>
> No .. that is not correct. SSI has been an IBM OEM since 1998. No plans
> to change this status.

Yes .. that is correct and has been confirmed by IBM. Managed
Systems, aka the fake Serenity Systems of Texas, will not have
their OS/2 OEM contract renewed as of December 31, 2005.

Effective January 1, 2006 Managed Systems will have no OS/2
OEM contract with IBM.

IBM will continue to support OS/2 and their OS/2 customers
as long as they maintain a Passport Advantage maintenance
contract or subscription.

IBM Help Desk has confirmed IBM's decision and right *not
to support* eCS customers.

--
Tim Martin, The Official and Only OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site - http://www.warpcity.com
email: OS2Guy@Gmail.com OR eCSGuy@Gmail.com

Marty wrote:
>
> I guess you don't really care about getting good value for your money.
> Heck, that must be why you signed on for PA in the first place. For my
> $139, I got MCP, 4 years of updates, 4 years of drivers, Lotus
> Smartsuite, Zampa firewall, Hoblink X11, Desktop On Call, and numerous
> other items.

More importantly, you got a piece of crap that isn't supported by
IBM and your eCS product is a dead horse as of January 1, 2006.
It is problematic, uses an older version of OS/2 and sold outside
the U.S. where you have no consumer protection laws governing
that so called 'good value' you claim to have.

*Real* OS/2 users with a PA maintenance contract will continue
to receive updates, refreshes, new drivers, new software, new
OS/2 enhancements and OS upgrades. AND we'll get all that
for a minimum yearly renewal fee.

--
Tim Martin, The Official and Only OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site - http://www.warpcity.com
email: OS2Guy@Gmail.com OR eCSGuy@Gmail.com

The OS/2 Guy wrote:
> Marty wrote:
>
>>
>> I guess you don't really care about getting good value for your money.
>> Heck, that must be why you signed on for PA in the first place. For
>> my $139, I got MCP, 4 years of updates, 4 years of drivers, Lotus
>> Smartsuite, Zampa firewall, Hoblink X11, Desktop On Call, and numerous
>> other items.
>
>
> More importantly, you got a piece of crap that isn't supported by
> IBM and your eCS product is a dead horse as of January 1, 2006.
> It is problematic, uses an older version of OS/2 and sold outside
> the U.S. where you have no consumer protection laws governing
> that so called 'good value' you claim to have.
>
> *Real* OS/2 users with a PA maintenance contract will continue
> to receive updates, refreshes, new drivers, new software, new
> OS/2 enhancements and OS upgrades. AND we'll get all that
> for a minimum yearly renewal fee.
>

He seems to write OS/2 software with that setup no problem. What
contributions have you made to OS/2? What business do you run on OS/2?

The OS/2 Guy wrote:
> Bob StJohn wrote:
>
>> The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> IBM's OS/2 OEM contract with Managed Systems aka the
>>> fake Serenity Systems of Texas, ends on January 1, 2006
>>
>>
>> No .. that is not correct. SSI has been an IBM OEM since 1998. No
>> plans to change this status.
>
>
> Yes .. that is correct and has been confirmed by IBM.

LOL .. well, that's great! Since contracts are confidential .. I'll get
a real nice settlement! Ooops .. wait .. you're lying. Or perhaps you
can provide an IBM contact for confirmation so I can collect?

btw .. no congratulations on eComStation 1.2 being voted Best Commercial
Software Product of the Year by real OS/2 users?

Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems International

The OS/2 Guy wrote:

>
> IBM Help Desk has confirmed IBM's decision and right *not
> to support* eCS customers.

Of course not. IBM Help Desk supports folks who have an IBM support
agreement. The nature of an OEM is that the OEM supports the OEM product
and IBM supports the OEM, as mentioned on IBM's web page. Of course,
"ed" already established that anyone ... anyone .. can call IBM and get
a contract for support for $60 by making a fuss. So, if an eComStation
user is keen to spend $60 .. that option is always open.

Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems International

In <421f9732$0$23562$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>, on 02/25/2005
at 03:21 PM, Bob StJohn said:

>The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>
>>
>> IBM Help Desk has confirmed IBM's decision and right *not
>> to support* eCS customers.

>Of course not. IBM Help Desk supports folks who have an IBM support
>agreement. The nature of an OEM is that the OEM supports the OEM product
>and IBM supports the OEM, as mentioned on IBM's web page. Of course,
>"ed" already established that anyone ... anyone .. can call IBM and get
>a contract for support for $60 by making a fuss. So, if an eComStation
>user is keen to spend $60 .. that option is always open.

I never said any such thing. -->But hey thanks for another example of your
sociopath behavior.

-->You would think that after IBM fored you for this stuff, you would have
thought about it and changed your con-man games.


>Regards,
>Bob St.John
>Serenity Systems International

In <421f95ab$0$23560$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>, on 02/25/2005
at 03:15 PM, Bob Stjohn said:

>The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>> Bob StJohn wrote:
>>
>>> The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> IBM's OS/2 OEM contract with Managed Systems aka the
>>>> fake Serenity Systems of Texas, ends on January 1, 2006
>>>
>>>
>>> No .. that is not correct. SSI has been an IBM OEM since 1998. No
>>> plans to change this status.
>>
>>
>> Yes .. that is correct and has been confirmed by IBM.

>LOL .. well, that's great! Since contracts are confidential .. I'll get
>a real nice settlement! Ooops .. wait .. you're lying. Or perhaps you
>can provide an IBM contact for confirmation so I can collect?

How do you plan on suing booby -->You can't pay Texas it annual business
fee, even when they send you a registered letter telling you the business
is going to be forfeited -->which also means you conducted business
illegally -->like the con-man you are.

IBM fired you for this behavior, and you still don't get it.




-->Its really time for you admit that you have a dead product and stop the
whining. Its your own fault it failed -->because of your lies here.


>btw .. no congratulations on eComStation 1.2 being voted Best Commercial
>Software Product of the Year by real OS/2 users?

How many times did you and your shills vote? -->God knows you're not
working on the product or you wouldn't have the time to waste scaming
here.


>Regards,
>Bob St.John
>Serenity Systems International

In <421f81e2$0$23560$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>, on 02/25/2005
at 01:51 PM, Bob StJohn said:

>The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>
>>
>> IBM's OS/2 OEM contract with Managed Systems aka the
>> fake Serenity Systems of Texas, ends on January 1, 2006

>No .. that is not correct. SSI has been an IBM OEM since 1998. No plans
>to change this status.

What your plans are -->and IBM's plans are not the same thing.






>Regards,
>Bob St.John
>Serenity Systems International

letoured@nospam.net wrote:

whining snipped...

>
>
> How many times did you and your shills vote? -->God knows you're not
> working on the product or you wouldn't have the time to waste scaming
> here.
>

Sounds like sour grapes really

>
>
>>Regards,
>>Bob St.John
>>Serenity Systems International
>
>

In <111v6pfo79lpa04@corp.supernews.com>, on 02/25/2005
at 02:40 PM, OS/2 Man said:

>letoured@nospam.net wrote:

>whining snipped...

No --Just truthful statements -- from the public record --that you are
afraid of!!! Right booby!


>>
>>
>> How many times did you and your shills vote? -->God knows you're not
>> working on the product or you wouldn't have the time to waste scaming
>> here.
>>

>Sounds like sour grapes really

I asked a truthful question. Seems you are afraid of it!

Just like you and the other ecs shills here are afraid to face the fact
that booby is broke; e.g., You proved it when you snipped the words you
are afraid of:

Booby:
>LOL .. well, that's great! Since contracts are confidential .. I'll get
>a real nice settlement! Ooops .. wait .. you're lying. Or perhaps you
>can provide an IBM contact for confirmation so I can collect?

The facts -- as determined from public records:
"How do you plan on suing booby -->You can't pay Texas it annual business
fee, even when they send you a registered letter telling you the business
is going to be forfeited -->which also means you conducted business
illegally -->like the con-man you are.

IBM fired you for this behavior, and you still don't get it."






>>
>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Bob St.John
>>>Serenity Systems International
>>
>>

In <421f95ab$0$23560$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>, on 02/25/2005
at 03:15 PM, Bob Stjohn said:

>The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>> Bob StJohn wrote:
>>
>>> The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> IBM's OS/2 OEM contract with Managed Systems aka the
>>>> fake Serenity Systems of Texas, ends on January 1, 2006
>>>
>>>
>>> No .. that is not correct. SSI has been an IBM OEM since 1998. No
>>> plans to change this status.
>>
>>
>> Yes .. that is correct and has been confirmed by IBM.

>LOL .. well, that's great! Since contracts are confidential .. I'll get
>a real nice settlement! Ooops .. wait .. you're lying. Or perhaps you
>can provide an IBM contact for confirmation so I can collect?

How do you plan on suing booby -->You can't pay Texas it annual business
fee, even when they send you a registered letter telling you the business
is going to be forfeited -->which also means you conducted business
illegally -->like the con-man you are.

IBM fired you for this behavior, and you still don't get it.




-->Its really time for you admit that you have a dead product and stop the
whining. Its your own fault it failed -->because of your lies here.


>btw .. no congratulations on eComStation 1.2 being voted Best Commercial
>Software Product of the Year by real OS/2 users?

How many times did you and your shills vote? -->God knows you're not
working on the product or you wouldn't have the time to waste scaming
here.


>Regards,
>Bob St.John
>Serenity Systems International

Tim/Jeff/Ron/Larry/Meng/Susan/whoever wrote:
> Marty wrote:
>
>> I guess you don't really care about getting good value for your money.
>> Heck, that must be why you signed on for PA in the first place. For
>> my $139, I got MCP, 4 years of updates, 4 years of drivers, Lotus
>> Smartsuite, Zampa firewall, Hoblink X11, Desktop On Call, and numerous
>> other items.
>
> More importantly, you got a piece of crap

No. I got the "Best Commercial Software Product of the Year".

> is a dead horse as of January 1, 2006.

Dec. 31, 2006 is the end of life of OS/2 from IBM (according to Ed).
Your date is incorrect.

> It is problematic,

Incorrect.

> uses an older version of OS/2

Incorrect.

> and sold outside the U.S.

As are many things, including PA.

> *Real* OS/2 users with a PA maintenance contract will continue
> to receive updates, refreshes, new drivers, new software, new
> OS/2 enhancements and OS upgrades.

Until Dec 31, 2006.

> AND we'll get all that for a minimum yearly renewal fee.

I get all of those updates, and have for the last 4 years, for an annual
fee of $0. I also got Lotus Smartsuite, Zampa firewall, Hoblink X11,
Desktop On Call, and numerous other items.

letoured@nospam.net wrote:
> In <111v6pfo79lpa04@corp.supernews.com>, on 02/25/2005
> at 02:40 PM, OS/2 Man said:
>
>
>>letoured@nospam.net wrote:
>
>
>>whining snipped...
>
>
> No --Just truthful statements -- from the public record --that you are
> afraid of!!! Right booby!
>

No, it was whining from you.

>
>
>>>
>>>How many times did you and your shills vote? -->God knows you're not
>>>working on the product or you wouldn't have the time to waste scaming
>>>here.
>>>
>
>
>>Sounds like sour grapes really
>
>
> I asked a truthful question. Seems you are afraid of it!
>

No fear.

> Just like you and the other ecs shills here are afraid to face the fact
> that booby is broke; e.g., You proved it when you snipped the words you
> are afraid of:
>
> Booby:
>
>>LOL .. well, that's great! Since contracts are confidential .. I'll get
>>a real nice settlement! Ooops .. wait .. you're lying. Or perhaps you
>>can provide an IBM contact for confirmation so I can collect?
>
>
> The facts -- as determined from public records:
> "How do you plan on suing booby -->You can't pay Texas it annual business
> fee, even when they send you a registered letter telling you the business
> is going to be forfeited -->which also means you conducted business
> illegally -->like the con-man you are.
>
> IBM fired you for this behavior, and you still don't get it."
>

I see an unsubstantiated statement.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Bob St.John
>>>>Serenity Systems International
>>>
>>>
>

letoured@nospam.net wrote:
> In <421f9732$0$23562$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>, on 02/25/2005
> at 03:21 PM, Bob StJohn said:
>
>
>>The OS/2 Guy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>IBM Help Desk has confirmed IBM's decision and right *not
>>>to support* eCS customers.
>
>
>>Of course not. IBM Help Desk supports folks who have an IBM support
>>agreement. The nature of an OEM is that the OEM supports the OEM product
>>and IBM supports the OEM, as mentioned on IBM's web page. Of course,
>>"ed" already established that anyone ... anyone .. can call IBM and get
>>a contract for support for $60 by making a fuss. So, if an eComStation
>>user is keen to spend $60 .. that option is always open.
>
>
> I never said any such thing. -->But hey thanks for another example of your
> sociopath behavior.

Sure you did. When someone who had not renewed SWC and was told to
purchase "re-instatement" .. you said that you received similar
instructions but insisted on speaking to the supervisor. The supervisor
permitted you to purchase the renewal for $60. That's the scoop.

Of course, folks can pay the $180. Sounds like a good deal, eh.

Regards,
Bob St.John
Serenity Systems International

Bob StJohn wrote:
>
> LOL .. well, that's great! Since contracts are confidential ..

I don't know why you continue to lie to your customers. First it
was "we're selling Warp 5" followed by "WiseMachine is the
next great killer application" and a slew of misnomer marketing
statements, false testimonials, sock puppet salesmen, etc.

The worst thing about eCS is the lack of credibility by the
maker. You gotta sell it outside the U.S. because you know
full well the American Consumer Laws would put your damn
ass in jail.

It's understandable why now you would openly lie about
such a claim but time will tell us all and like all the rest
of the phony OS/2 so-called vendors, you'll be shamed
out of the OS/2 world and there are enough people pushing
you now right out the back door.

> btw .. no congratulations on eComStation 1.2 being voted Best Commercial
> Software Product of the Year by real OS/2 users?

LOL! You *are* kidding, right? Six people voted. All six
of your eCS sock puppet salesmen.

Yeah right, "Best Commercial Software Product of the Year"
yet nobody's buying the damn thing.

You are to funny Boob.
--
Tim Martin, The Official and Only OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site - http://www.warpcity.com
email: OS2Guy@Gmail.com OR eCSGuy@Gmail.com