[A complimentary Cc of this posting was NOT [per weedlist] sent to
Peter Weilbacher
], who wrote in article :
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:57:35 UTC, Ilya Zakharevich wrote:
>
> > I start Mozilla, load a cyrillic page, select+COPY, and read the
> > content of the CF_TEXT of the clipboard. On 850,866 system the
> > content is "????? ???" (or somesuch) (real question marks) if
> > process_CP of Mozilla is 850; the content is `expected Cyrillic in
> > cp866' if process_CP is 866.
>
> Ah, but Mozilla is no normal PM app. I am not sure that this experiment
> tells you anything about PM behaviour.

Well, obviously, the second part (starting in secondary codepage)
works with any other PM application as well; otherwise there would be
little sense in having 2 codepages allowed. This shows that in this
case there is no translation. Obviously, one can't check the first
part (application switching its codepage) with "normal PM
applications" ;-).

Or maybe E.exe and EPM.exe are not "normal PM applications"?

Thanks,
Ilya

Sir:

Ilya Zakharevich wrote:
> [A complimentary Cc of this posting was NOT [per weedlist] sent to
> Peter Weilbacher
> ], who wrote in article :
>
>>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:57:35 UTC, Ilya Zakharevich wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I start Mozilla, load a cyrillic page, select+COPY, and read the
>>>content of the CF_TEXT of the clipboard. On 850,866 system the
>>>content is "????? ???" (or somesuch) (real question marks) if
>>>process_CP of Mozilla is 850; the content is `expected Cyrillic in
>>>cp866' if process_CP is 866.
>>
>>Ah, but Mozilla is no normal PM app. I am not sure that this experiment
>>tells you anything about PM behaviour.
>
>
> Well, obviously, the second part (starting in secondary codepage)
> works with any other PM application as well; otherwise there would be
> little sense in having 2 codepages allowed. This shows that in this
> case there is no translation. Obviously, one can't check the first
> part (application switching its codepage) with "normal PM
> applications" ;-).
>
> Or maybe E.exe and EPM.exe are not "normal PM applications"?
>

Before you go too far down this copy to clipboard and getting all ????,
you should change the system default font to a font that has those
glyphs in its repository. That is what those ???? are telling me, you
need. Try drag and dropping Times New Roman MT30 onto the desktop.
--
Bill
Thanks a Million!

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
William L. Hartzell
], who wrote in article :
> Before you go too far down this copy to clipboard and getting all ????,
> you should change the system default font to a font that has those
> glyphs in its repository. That is what those ???? are telling me, you
> need. Try drag and dropping Times New Roman MT30 onto the desktop.

??? This is about *pasting plain text from clipboard*; or, looking
deeper, about contents of CF_TEXT field of the clipboard. E.g., about
pasting to a VIO window. How "glyphs" can come into play when one
works with bytes escapes me...

BTW, the character "usually" shown for for a missing glyph is often
0x7F, not '?'. But this, of course, is per font. (Or do I mix it
with what Uni* conversion API returns for a missing codepoint?)

Yours,
Ilya

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
Yuri Proniakin
], who wrote in article :
> On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:39:16 UTC, Ilya Zakharevich wrote:
> > > this secondary layer as "index of primary layer + 2".

> > I see. I would probably write it as "index of primary layer" | 0x2. ;-)

> Unlike you, I, undoubtedly, shall use INC(index, 2) ;-)

OUPS! One can go from 1 to 3 by "| 0x2", but not from 2 to 4!

So my suggesting was completely bogus,
Ilya

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
Yuri Proniakin
], who wrote in article :

> Try to compare you current KEYBOARD.DCP and KEYB.COM with original ones
> (KEYBOARD.DCP is in the fixpak, KEYB - in the \OS2IMAGE\DISK_3\BUNDLE file,
> if it is an old Warp 4, not a Convenience Package) - perhaps, something wrong
> with them.
> And didn't you forget to install the fixpak for device drivers? It contains
> KBDBASE.SYS.

This was it! KBDBASE.SYS was not served by UpdCD 2.42. When I
manually changed it to the version from dd2,

KEYB ru

started to work again. Thanks!

================================================== =====

And another problem solved: Old microsoft-compatible fonts (Arial etc)
without enough UGL glyphs: I removed all Arials and the Impact, then
installed fonts from
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/multimedi...s/mswbfnts.zip. Now Firefox
works with Cyrillic cites which set these fonts.

Hmm, Now I also see

http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/windows/m...-1.2.1-os2.zip
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/multimedi...ontpack1_2.zip

I wonder what is the difference...

Thanks,
Ilya

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:52:24 UTC, Ilya Zakharevich wrote:

> And another problem solved: Old microsoft-compatible fonts (Arial etc)
> without enough UGL glyphs: I removed all Arials and the Impact, then
> installed fonts from
> http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/multimedi...s/mswbfnts.zip. Now Firefox
> works with Cyrillic cites which set these fonts.
>
> Hmm, Now I also see
>
> http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/windows/m...-1.2.1-os2.zip
> http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/multimedi...ontpack1_2.zip
>
> I wonder what is the difference...

msfontpack1_2.zip is just a set of some tools (wget, cabextract, FreeType),
but does not contain any fonts. From its readme:
"This package contain all tool and scripts needed to download and install M$
core TTF fonts on OS/2."

msfonts-1.2.1-os2.zip is a superset of mswbfnts.zip (and fonts in
mswbfnts.zip are older).

--
Yuri Proniakin

Suddenly, Yuri Proniakin sprang forth and uttered these pithy words:
> As I wrote to Ilya, KEYB changes keyboard layout for text mode
> sessions via IoCtl, and then changes layout for PM programs by
> calling of WinSetKbdLayout.
> Will WinSetKbdLayout work in your program without IoCtl prior it?

I don't know?

I don't really follow what KEYB does, but it does specifically say it
has to be used in a full screen command prompt... Hardly sounds
desirable for PM.

Erm, so basically I don't know what to do and neither does anyone else,
so I think I will take the feature out.


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