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  1. Re: Apple's New iPhone - WOW!

    On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:18:04 -0400, The OS/2 Guy wrote
    (in article <468fa5ba$0$11951$88260bb3@unlimited.teranews.com>):

    > Once you move to OSX there is really no reason to look back at OS/2 and
    > that's the one statement that seems to be said by most new OSX users.


    I haven't found a picture viewer for OS X that compares to PMView. Or
    Irfanview, for that matter.

    --
    John Varela
    Trade NEW lamps for OLD for email.


  2. OT: OSX [Was: Apple's New iPhone - WOW!]

    On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:24:26 UTC, John Varela
    wrote:

    -> I haven't found a picture viewer for OS X that compares to PMView. Or
    -> Irfanview, for that matter.

    Apple Preview is pretty worthless. Its rediculous that I can't figure
    out how to do something as simple as browse images in a folder with
    it. I end up having to drag all the images in a folder from finder to
    Preview and then clicking on each to view the image. I'm not a fan of
    iPhoto either. A port of PMView to OSX would be welcome.

    About the only thing I have found my Macs (we have 3 now, a G5 iMac
    and 2 Macbook Pros for my kids, I had a G3 iMac for years before
    these.) really good for is video editing. My daughter is into music
    as well as video, so she uses her Macbook a lot for her keyboard and
    of course her iPod video. For me though eCS remains my platform for
    everyday use. There is nothing comparable to Pronews/2 on Mac either
    from what I have seen as well and I actually prefer Firefox and TB on
    eCS to the Mac versions.

    Mark


    --
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    http://www.os2voice.org
    Warpstock 2006, Windsor, Ontario, Canada, Oct 12-15, 2006 -
    http://www.warpstock.org

  3. Re: OT: OSX

    Mark Dodel wrote:
    > On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:24:26 UTC, John Varela
    > wrote:
    >
    > -> I haven't found a picture viewer for OS X that compares to PMView. Or
    > -> Irfanview, for that matter.
    >
    > Apple Preview is pretty worthless. Its rediculous that I can't figure
    > out how to do something as simple as browse images in a folder with
    > it. I end up having to drag all the images in a folder from finder to
    > Preview and then clicking on each to view the image. I'm not a fan of
    > iPhoto either. A port of PMView to OSX would be welcome.



    Ummm... tag the pictures you want to view then right mouse to "Open
    With" and select Preview. One Preview window is open and you can arrow
    through them up and down and magnify to fit your screen.

    If you want the features of PMView you'd have to purchase Aperture and
    it is leagues above PMView when it comes to photo editing, enhancing,
    web publishing, photographic work, slide show preview, editing,
    enhancing, etc. and the darn thing is fun to work with. You can put up
    a web gallery of photos so professional looking folks will naturally
    believe you are a full fledged photographer.

    Looking at my Mac directory of running applications I have 233.
    Tubesock, Audacity, Automator, Bitrocket, Cabos, the list seems endless.
    If something needs to be done I've got an app to do it with.

    > About the only thing I have found my Macs (we have 3 now, a G5 iMac
    > and 2 Macbook Pros for my kids, I had a G3 iMac for years before
    > these.) really good for is video editing. My daughter is into music
    > as well as video, so she uses her Macbook a lot for her keyboard and
    > of course her iPod video.


    Yeah, Macs are great for video anything. Geez, so many video players it
    is hard to pick the one you like best. And you've got to admit apps
    like Toast, Handbreak, VisualHub, ImageTricks, SnapNDrag, Explicit,
    ImageWell,MTR, ForkLift, EyeTV, FileMakerPro, LiquidCD, iTunes,
    GarageSale, and the higher end Final Cut [Express], Cinematize,
    BurnAgain, BBEdit, Audio Hijack, Transmission, TubeSock, Snapz Pro, Add
    Movie, Media Rage, iRecord, well... I could go on forever - those types
    of apps just aren't found in the OS/2 or eCS world and probably never
    will be.

    > For me though eCS remains my platform for
    > everyday use. There is nothing comparable to Pronews/2 on Mac either
    > from what I have seen as well and I actually prefer Firefox and TB on
    > eCS to the Mac versions.


    And there's nothing that comes close to Mac's Mail in the world of OS/2
    and the majority of former OS/2 users who now use Macs would say FireFox
    and TB for the Mac are superior to the same versions for OS/2.

    I have never had a program crash OSX. Hell, I've never had any kind of
    crash or system halt with OSX. That was expected under OS/2 and eCS,
    just something you had to live with. Well that and no software to speak
    of.

    Suppose I miss Embellish...

    Tim...

  4. Re: Apple's New iPhone - WOW!

    John Varela wrote:
    > On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:18:04 -0400, The OS/2 Guy wrote
    > (in article <468fa5ba$0$11951$88260bb3@unlimited.teranews.com>):
    >
    >> Once you move to OSX there is really no reason to look back at OS/2 and
    >> that's the one statement that seems to be said by most new OSX users.

    >
    > I haven't found a picture viewer for OS X that compares to PMView. Or
    > Irfanview, for that matter.
    >


    It's sad but PMView is old now. Have you even looked at Aperture?
    http://www.apple.com/aperture/ I am not kidding. It is a work of art
    and can turn any novice into an amazing artist. It takes very little
    effort to turn a badly taken snapshot into a high quality "belongs in a
    gallery" photograph.

    When I sync the iPhone it is Aperture that sees the camera and opens up,
    imports the pictures I've taken and guides me through the process of
    turning them into works of art. "You took that on the iPhone?"

    Times change. You either move with them or you're left behind
    'remembering the good old days...". You never know what's outside until
    you go outside and look.

    Tim...

  5. Re: Apple's New iPhone - WOW! [FUD4]

    In article <469063a5$0$11942$88260bb3@unlimited.teranews.com>,
    =?ISO-8859-15?Q?=A9_The_OS/2_Guy_=A9?= wrote:
    >
    >It's sad but PMView is old now. Have you even looked at Aperture?
    >http://www.apple.com/aperture/ I am not kidding. It is a work of art
    >and can turn any novice into an amazing artist. It takes very little
    >effort to turn a badly taken snapshot into a high quality "belongs in a
    >gallery" photograph.


    Macs are the machine of choice for people who want to turn badly recorded
    music into a chart topping hit, too. A friend of mine carries his whole
    studio around on a laptop. I remember about 20 years ago his home studio
    filled a wheeled case that took 2 men to lift, and it didn't produce as good
    a quality sound as the laptop does.

    But all that is beside the point: regardless of the quality of the tools,
    if the original picture (or tune) is poor quality, no amount of processing
    will produce a masterpiece. You're just polishing turds.

    --
    Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand
    "New interface closely resembles Presentation Manager,
    preparing you for the wonders of OS/2!"
    -- Advertisement on the box for Microsoft Windows 2.11 for 286

  6. Re: Apple's New iPhone - WOW!

    On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 01:48:26 -0400, The OS/2 Guy wrote
    (in article <469063a5$0$11942$88260bb3@unlimited.teranews.com>):

    > John Varela wrote:
    >> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:18:04 -0400, The OS/2 Guy wrote
    >> (in article <468fa5ba$0$11951$88260bb3@unlimited.teranews.com>):
    >>
    >>> Once you move to OSX there is really no reason to look back at OS/2 and
    >>> that's the one statement that seems to be said by most new OSX users.

    >>
    >> I haven't found a picture viewer for OS X that compares to PMView. Or
    >> Irfanview, for that matter.
    >>

    >
    > It's sad but PMView is old now. Have you even looked at Aperture?
    > http://www.apple.com/aperture/ I am not kidding. It is a work of art and
    > can turn any novice into an amazing artist. It takes very little effort to
    > turn a badly taken snapshot into a high quality "belongs in a gallery"
    > photograph.


    I can do all the photo manipulation I want with iPhoto and Photoshop. What I
    want is a picture viewer like PMView or Irfanview. If you know of one for
    the Mac, name it.

    And as Mark says, there is no decent newsreader for the Mac, either. I'm
    using Hogwasher and it's a piece of crap.

    --
    John Varela
    Trade NEW lamps for OLD for email.


  7. Re: Apple's New iPhone - WOW!

    In <1183291647snz@deltrak.demon.co.uk>, on 07/01/2007
    at 12:07 PM, ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson) said:

    >Mug. OTOH, it's the early-adopter fashion victims who pay for the
    >debugging. Maybe I shouldn't complain if Timmie's found a niche
    >usefulness in polishing the bling. :-)


    Only if she/he/it is telling the truth about standing in line. Given
    the record, I treat anything s/h/it writes as doubtful.

    --
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    right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail. Reply to
    domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+news to contact me. Do not
    reply to spamtrap@library.lspace.org


  8. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    Pete wrote:
    > I have this Razr v3, which is quite nice. What I would like to do is
    > turn off messaging and web browsing; fix things so these options aren't
    > available at all (already turned off the camera button). All I want is a
    > PHONE, not something which will also do the dishes and give the cat a
    > bath, er I mean dog. If I want to listen to music, I have this Nex mp3
    > player which uses unencrypted CF cards (all I have to do is mount the
    > card and copy the files via WPS dnd). Not fancy, nor will it wash the
    > dog either, but it does the job quite nicely, including when using a
    > tape adapter in my truck's stereo player.


    I used to think that I was alone in the world until I read this post.

    I had a gun put to my head and was told to get a cell phone for work
    about 4 years ago. I got the simplest looking and cheapest one I could
    find (some kind of Nokia). I turn it on and I'm instantly bombarded
    with 4 "multimedia" "messages" waiting for me, receiving a new one about
    every half hour. They were advertisements. I immediately shut it off
    (which required going through 2 menus and holding a power button for 5
    seconds), and started reading what little documentation came with it.
    The simplest phone I could get had picture and text messaging,
    rudimentary web access, games, wallpapers, ringtones, and all of this
    nonsense that was getting in the way of just having a mobile phone
    (which I didn't even really want, but needed for work).

    So I finally go through and disable all this crap and get something
    semi-usable. Now I see all these ridiculous ads coming out for new
    phones and it makes me shudder to think of ever being forced to update
    to one of them.

    Kudos to Wayne for being mobile-free. I'm definitely jealous. Those
    damn things are like shackles.

    > Matbe he's a shill for a battery manufacturer or the power company which
    > sells you the electricity to recharge the battery in the thing.


    Tim/Nick/Ron/Jeff/Larry, or whatever his name is this week, has always
    been a shill for something. He's never had his own ideas and never
    produced anything of value on his own. He feels some pathetic
    psychological need to latch on to whatever is popular or marginally
    superior at the time to feel like he is a part of something worthwhile.
    A sad existence, likely devoid of human contact.

    --
    [Reverse the parts of the e-mail address to reply.]

  9. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:31:06 -0700, Marty wrote:

    > So I finally go through and disable all this crap and get something
    > semi-usable. Now I see all these ridiculous ads coming out for new
    > phones and it makes me shudder to think of ever being forced to update
    > to one of them.
    >
    > Kudos to Wayne for being mobile-free. I'm definitely jealous. Those
    > damn things are like shackles.


    Hey Marty. The problem with mobiles as I see it is people (including
    spammers, in your case) think you have it for their convenience and
    bombard you with calls and messages at inconvenient times. When I did
    have a mobile I'd switch it off when I did not want to be disturbed.
    If people really needed to contact me at those times they could
    send email, if they didn't it meant it really wasn't important.

    BTW. They do have simple phones here, aimed mainly at the 'senior'
    market :-)

    Wayne
    --
    Registered Linux user #375994
    http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/

  10. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    Sir:

    Wayne wrote:
    > On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:31:06 -0700, Marty wrote:
    >
    >> So I finally go through and disable all this crap and get something
    >> semi-usable. Now I see all these ridiculous ads coming out for new
    >> phones and it makes me shudder to think of ever being forced to update
    >> to one of them.
    >>
    >> Kudos to Wayne for being mobile-free. I'm definitely jealous. Those
    >> damn things are like shackles.

    >
    > Hey Marty. The problem with mobiles as I see it is people (including
    > spammers, in your case) think you have it for their convenience and
    > bombard you with calls and messages at inconvenient times. When I did
    > have a mobile I'd switch it off when I did not want to be disturbed.
    > If people really needed to contact me at those times they could
    > send email, if they didn't it meant it really wasn't important.
    >
    > BTW. They do have simple phones here, aimed mainly at the 'senior'
    > market :-)
    >
    > Wayne

    I need one of those senior phones. I don't know how to disable the damn
    voice mail feature. People keep on putting messages in there, and I
    don't know how to get them out! Then they blame me for failure to
    communicate. Ya, I've read the manual for what it worth. Still don't
    know anything.
    --
    Bill
    Thanks a Million!

  11. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:00:08 -0500, William L. Hartzell wrote:

    > I need one of those senior phones. I don't know how to disable the damn
    > voice mail feature. People keep on putting messages in there, and I
    > don't know how to get them out! Then they blame me for failure to
    > communicate. Ya, I've read the manual for what it worth. Still don't
    > know anything.


    Here you go :-)

    http://www.au.kddi.com/english/produ...e_phone_a101k/
    index.html

    Watch for wrap

    Wayne

    --
    Registered Linux user #375994
    http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/

  12. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    You all sound like a bunch of old geezers to me - too old to embrace new
    technology, too set in your ways to see beyond the edge of your bifocals
    and a bit too tired to get your hefty rears out of that Barko lounger...

    The iPhone is an amazing little device, simply amazing. In a nutshell
    it's a palm-sized touch-screen computer. Email, web browsing, music,
    videos, selective voice mail and more.

    Sizing in at just a 4.5 inches long and 2.4 inches wide, a slight 135
    grams in wieght and packing 8Gig of space, a 3.5 diagonal HD widescreen
    multi-touch display that is so gorgeous people near you can't help but
    peer over your shoulder.

    You've seen the ads but even those ads fall short when it comes to the
    actual iPhone in your hand. It is so small yet so powerful. Just slide
    your finger across the screen to unlock it (yes, you can add a pin
    number if you fear losing it and someone running off and using your
    account). Listen to music and the music will fade quickly when a call
    comes in - take the call - disconnect with just a slight squeeze of the
    cord microphone and your music/video returns right where you left off.

    I watch everything from last night's Miss Marple, Big Brother, Colbert
    Report, Daily Show, The Closer, Monk, Dexter, Bones, Foyle's War, Hotel
    Babylon, Midsomer Murders,Mad Men to yesterday's Cleopatra with
    Elizabeth Taylor, Casino Royal, Babel, Little Children, Lady in the
    Lake, Memento, 13th Warrior - geez, I could go on and on and on...

    I've had my iPhone now since January 29th and I'm still glowing with
    pleasure and excitement every time I slide my fingers around it. It
    rarely leaves my pocket now and I've always got a TVShow, Movie or great
    music playing.

    The battery time cannot be matched by any cell or smart phone. I place
    it in the dock when I got to bed and use it all day long - yes, all the
    features from music to videos to making/receiving calls, writing/reading
    emails, browsing the web, watching YouTube videos, checking the weather,
    my stocks, taking photo after photo, taking notes, scheduling my
    calendar, using Google to map my way around and again it works all day
    long. Full WiFi and BlueTooth and it is all so easy.

    It is what OS/2 was meant to do and never got the chance - and it all
    runs without crashing like Windows on OSX (OS10).

    Those of you whining like aging children are simply too inept and old to
    understand the beauty and power of such an amazing device.

    Next time you're on the street and you see someone with an iPod check to
    see if that white cord has a tiny microphone at mouth level. That's an
    iPhone. Ask him - do you like that thing? I guarantee you'll get a
    broad smile and a happy nod yes.

    Tim...

  13. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    Tim/Nick/Ron/Jeff/Larry/Meng/whoever wrote:
    > You all sound like a bunch of old geezers to me -


    You're older than I am, turkey. In this case, it is clear that age does
    not necessarily bring wisdom.

    > too old to embrace new technology,


    LOL. Tell that to my 64-bit Opteron.

    > I watch everything from last night's Miss Marple, Big Brother, Colbert
    > Report, Daily Show, The Closer, Monk, ...


    Yeah, I watch my favorite shows too... in my home, using my big TV, on
    my comfy couch, with my best buddy by my side, occasionally with a cold
    one in hand. Beats the hell out of watching them on a 4" screen between
    sweaty passengers while standing up on the bus.

    > It is what OS/2 was meant to do


    OS/2 was never meant to do any of those things. Users wanted it to do a
    few of those things because it made such a great desktop system. And
    the capability is there for those who want it.

    --
    [Reverse the parts of the e-mail address to reply.]

  14. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:51:23 -0400, © The OS/2 Guy © wrote
    (in article <46af180b$0$11990$88260bb3@unlimited.teranews.com>):

    > The iPhone is an amazing little device, simply amazing.


    So was the charactron CRT in its day. So what?

    --
    John Varela
    Trade NEW lamps for OLD for email.


  15. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    Marty wrote:
    > Pete wrote:
    >> I have this Razr v3, which is quite nice. What I would like to do is
    >> turn off messaging and web browsing; fix things so these options
    >> aren't available at all (already turned off the camera button). All I
    >> want is a
    >> PHONE, not something which will also do the dishes and give the cat a
    >> bath, er I mean dog. If I want to listen to music, I have this Nex mp3
    >> player which uses unencrypted CF cards (all I have to do is mount the
    >> card and copy the files via WPS dnd). Not fancy, nor will it wash the
    >> dog either, but it does the job quite nicely, including when using a
    >> tape adapter in my truck's stereo player.

    >
    > I used to think that I was alone in the world until I read this post.
    >
    > I had a gun put to my head and was told to get a cell phone for work
    > about 4 years ago. I got the simplest looking and cheapest one I could
    > find (some kind of Nokia). I turn it on and I'm instantly bombarded
    > with 4 "multimedia" "messages" waiting for me, receiving a new one about
    > every half hour. They were advertisements. I immediately shut it off
    > (which required going through 2 menus and holding a power button for 5
    > seconds), and started reading what little documentation came with it.
    > The simplest phone I could get had picture and text messaging,
    > rudimentary web access, games, wallpapers, ringtones, and all of this
    > nonsense that was getting in the way of just having a mobile phone
    > (which I didn't even really want, but needed for work).
    >
    > So I finally go through and disable all this crap and get something
    > semi-usable. Now I see all these ridiculous ads coming out for new
    > phones and it makes me shudder to think of ever being forced to update
    > to one of them.
    >
    > Kudos to Wayne for being mobile-free. I'm definitely jealous. Those
    > damn things are like shackles.
    >

    When I needed to update my phone I just went to the local swap meet,
    picked up an old Nokia for $10 (+$5 for the charger) plugged my sim card
    in to it and started using it.
    This is Canada which like the States has basically one GMS provider and
    you have to use GMS to get the freedom of using a sim card. Have to
    watch what network the phone is locked to as well though in my case the
    phone is supposed to be unlocked.
    Dave

  16. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    Dave Yeo wrote:
    >>

    > When I needed to update my phone I just went to the local swap meet,
    > picked up an old Nokia for $10 (+$5 for the charger) plugged my sim card
    > in to it and started using it.


    How sad that you are so restricted financially that you have to settle
    for used outdated cell technology. My heart goes out to you.

    > This is Canada which like the States has basically one GMS provider and
    > you have to use GMS to get the freedom of using a sim card. Have to
    > watch what network the phone is locked to as well though in my case the
    > phone is supposed to be unlocked.


    Now I really feel sorry for you but I am oh so very glad I live in
    America where we have some semblence of freedom.

    God bless you, hey?

    Tim...

  17. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    The OS/2 Guy wrote:
    > Dave Yeo wrote:
    >>>

    >> When I needed to update my phone I just went to the local swap meet,
    >> picked up an old Nokia for $10 (+$5 for the charger) plugged my sim
    >> card in to it and started using it.

    >
    > How sad that you are so restricted financially that you have to settle
    > for used outdated cell technology. My heart goes out to you.


    Huh? I barely use the cell phone and wanted something simple which is
    what this thread is now talking about. They don't sell simple phones
    anymore so my solution was a used one.
    >
    >> This is Canada which like the States has basically one GMS provider
    >> and you have to use GMS to get the freedom of using a sim card. Have
    >> to watch what network the phone is locked to as well though in my case
    >> the phone is supposed to be unlocked.

    >
    > Now I really feel sorry for you but I am oh so very glad I live in
    > America where we have some semblence of freedom.


    You do realize that cell phones are just as locked down in the States as
    Canada don't you?

    >
    > God bless you, hey?
    >
    > Tim...


    Dave

  18. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    On Aug 1, 5:16 pm, John Varela wrote:
    > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:51:23 -0400, The OS/2 Guy wrote
    > (in article <46af180b$0$11990$88260...@unlimited.teranews.com>):
    >
    > > The iPhone is an amazing little device, simply amazing.

    >
    > So was the charactron CRT in its day. So what?


    The difference being: the CRT's days are over while the iPhone's days
    have just begun. Life makes way for the new and buries the dead.

    Tim...



  19. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    On Aug 2, 9:33 pm, Dave Yeo wrote:
    > The OS/2 Guy wrote:
    >
    > > Dave Yeo wrote:

    >
    > >> When I needed to update my phone I just went to the local swap meet,
    > >> picked up an old Nokia for $10 (+$5 for the charger) plugged my sim
    > >> card in to it and started using it.

    >
    > > How sad that you are so restricted financially that you have to settle
    > > for used outdated cell technology. My heart goes out to you.

    >
    > Huh? I barely use the cell phone and wanted something simple which is
    > what this thread is now talking about. They don't sell simple phones
    > anymore so my solution was a used one.


    Simple is in the eye of the beholder. There are those who believe OS/
    2 is simple while a great many would claim otherwise. The iPhone was
    never offered as a simple cell phone, it is a computer that fits in
    the palm of your hand, that just happens to offer cell phone
    capability among many other electronic features. Features that are
    not found in other cell phone offerings.
    >
    > >> This is Canada which like the States has basically one GMS provider
    > >> and you have to use GMS to get the freedom of using a sim card. Have
    > >> to watch what network the phone is locked to as well though in my case
    > >> the phone is supposed to be unlocked.

    >
    > > Now I really feel sorry for you but I am oh so very glad I live in
    > > America where we have some semblence of freedom.

    >
    > You do realize that cell phones are just as locked down in the States as
    > Canada don't you?


    What I realize is that Canada has but one phone company and should the
    citizens there want to use the iPhone they will have to pay enormous
    monthly fees for unlimited internet access and cell phone use compared
    to what I pay for unlimited iPhone internet access and cell phone use
    through my American service provider.

    I don't see that as being "locked down" at all. Of course, being
    without iPhone availability entirely, as you are in Canada, is sure to
    make Canadians feeling "locked out".

    Tim...

    Tim...


  20. Re: Cell phone unneccesary nonsense

    On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:36:22 -0700, The OS/2 Guy wrote:

    >iPhone's days have just begun.


    Here the technical press pointed out that
    afterall the iPhone is just a consumer item
    and as such it is terribly overpriced.

    Hey - Apple have brought out a great new
    device - the iRack.

    See

    http://gprime.net/video.php/theirack



    Cheers,

    Tom [Tom Perrett]




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