On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:24:26 UTC, John Varela
wrote:

-> I haven't found a picture viewer for OS X that compares to PMView. Or
-> Irfanview, for that matter.

Apple Preview is pretty worthless. Its rediculous that I can't figure
out how to do something as simple as browse images in a folder with
it. I end up having to drag all the images in a folder from finder to
Preview and then clicking on each to view the image. I'm not a fan of
iPhoto either. A port of PMView to OSX would be welcome.

About the only thing I have found my Macs (we have 3 now, a G5 iMac
and 2 Macbook Pros for my kids, I had a G3 iMac for years before
these.) really good for is video editing. My daughter is into music
as well as video, so she uses her Macbook a lot for her keyboard and
of course her iPod video. For me though eCS remains my platform for
everyday use. There is nothing comparable to Pronews/2 on Mac either
from what I have seen as well and I actually prefer Firefox and TB on
eCS to the Mac versions.

Mark


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Mark Dodel wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 20:24:26 UTC, John Varela
> wrote:
>
> -> I haven't found a picture viewer for OS X that compares to PMView. Or
> -> Irfanview, for that matter.
>
> Apple Preview is pretty worthless. Its rediculous that I can't figure
> out how to do something as simple as browse images in a folder with
> it. I end up having to drag all the images in a folder from finder to
> Preview and then clicking on each to view the image. I'm not a fan of
> iPhoto either. A port of PMView to OSX would be welcome.


Ummm... tag the pictures you want to view then right mouse to "Open
With" and select Preview. One Preview window is open and you can arrow
through them up and down and magnify to fit your screen.

If you want the features of PMView you'd have to purchase Aperture and
it is leagues above PMView when it comes to photo editing, enhancing,
web publishing, photographic work, slide show preview, editing,
enhancing, etc. and the darn thing is fun to work with. You can put up
a web gallery of photos so professional looking folks will naturally
believe you are a full fledged photographer.

Looking at my Mac directory of running applications I have 233.
Tubesock, Audacity, Automator, Bitrocket, Cabos, the list seems endless.
If something needs to be done I've got an app to do it with.

> About the only thing I have found my Macs (we have 3 now, a G5 iMac
> and 2 Macbook Pros for my kids, I had a G3 iMac for years before
> these.) really good for is video editing. My daughter is into music
> as well as video, so she uses her Macbook a lot for her keyboard and
> of course her iPod video.

Yeah, Macs are great for video anything. Geez, so many video players it
is hard to pick the one you like best. And you've got to admit apps
like Toast, Handbreak, VisualHub, ImageTricks, SnapNDrag, Explicit,
ImageWell,MTR, ForkLift, EyeTV, FileMakerPro, LiquidCD, iTunes,
GarageSale, and the higher end Final Cut [Express], Cinematize,
BurnAgain, BBEdit, Audio Hijack, Transmission, TubeSock, Snapz Pro, Add
Movie, Media Rage, iRecord, well... I could go on forever - those types
of apps just aren't found in the OS/2 or eCS world and probably never
will be.

> For me though eCS remains my platform for
> everyday use. There is nothing comparable to Pronews/2 on Mac either
> from what I have seen as well and I actually prefer Firefox and TB on
> eCS to the Mac versions.

And there's nothing that comes close to Mac's Mail in the world of OS/2
and the majority of former OS/2 users who now use Macs would say FireFox
and TB for the Mac are superior to the same versions for OS/2.

I have never had a program crash OSX. Hell, I've never had any kind of
crash or system halt with OSX. That was expected under OS/2 and eCS,
just something you had to live with. Well that and no software to speak
of.

Suppose I miss Embellish...

Tim...

John Varela wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:18:04 -0400, © The OS/2 Guy © wrote
> (in article <468fa5ba$0$11951$88260bb3@unlimited.teranews.com>):
>
>> Once you move to OSX there is really no reason to look back at OS/2 and
>> that's the one statement that seems to be said by most new OSX users.
>
> I haven't found a picture viewer for OS X that compares to PMView. Or
> Irfanview, for that matter.
>

It's sad but PMView is old now. Have you even looked at Aperture?
http://www.apple.com/aperture/ I am not kidding. It is a work of art
and can turn any novice into an amazing artist. It takes very little
effort to turn a badly taken snapshot into a high quality "belongs in a
gallery" photograph.

When I sync the iPhone it is Aperture that sees the camera and opens up,
imports the pictures I've taken and guides me through the process of
turning them into works of art. "You took that on the iPhone?"

Times change. You either move with them or you're left behind
'remembering the good old days...". You never know what's outside until
you go outside and look.

Tim...

In article <469063a5$0$11942$88260bb3@unlimited.teranews.com>,
=?ISO-8859-15?Q?=A9_The_OS/2_Guy_=A9?= wrote:
>
>It's sad but PMView is old now. Have you even looked at Aperture?
>http://www.apple.com/aperture/ I am not kidding. It is a work of art
>and can turn any novice into an amazing artist. It takes very little
>effort to turn a badly taken snapshot into a high quality "belongs in a
>gallery" photograph.

Macs are the machine of choice for people who want to turn badly recorded
music into a chart topping hit, too. A friend of mine carries his whole
studio around on a laptop. I remember about 20 years ago his home studio
filled a wheeled case that took 2 men to lift, and it didn't produce as good
a quality sound as the laptop does.

But all that is beside the point: regardless of the quality of the tools,
if the original picture (or tune) is poor quality, no amount of processing
will produce a masterpiece. You're just polishing turds.

--
Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand
"New interface closely resembles Presentation Manager,
preparing you for the wonders of OS/2!"
-- Advertisement on the box for Microsoft Windows 2.11 for 286

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 01:48:26 -0400, © The OS/2 Guy © wrote
(in article <469063a5$0$11942$88260bb3@unlimited.teranews.com>):

> John Varela wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:18:04 -0400, © The OS/2 Guy © wrote
>> (in article <468fa5ba$0$11951$88260bb3@unlimited.teranews.com>):
>>
>>> Once you move to OSX there is really no reason to look back at OS/2 and
>>> that's the one statement that seems to be said by most new OSX users.
>>
>> I haven't found a picture viewer for OS X that compares to PMView. Or
>> Irfanview, for that matter.
>>
>
> It's sad but PMView is old now. Have you even looked at Aperture?
> http://www.apple.com/aperture/ I am not kidding. It is a work of art and
> can turn any novice into an amazing artist. It takes very little effort to
> turn a badly taken snapshot into a high quality "belongs in a gallery"
> photograph.

I can do all the photo manipulation I want with iPhoto and Photoshop. What I
want is a picture viewer like PMView or Irfanview. If you know of one for
the Mac, name it.

And as Mark says, there is no decent newsreader for the Mac, either. I'm
using Hogwasher and it's a piece of crap.

--
John Varela
Trade NEW lamps for OLD for email.

In <1183291647snz@deltrak.demon.co.uk>, on 07/01/2007
at 12:07 PM, ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk (Andrew Stephenson) said:

>Mug. OTOH, it's the early-adopter fashion victims who pay for the
>debugging. Maybe I shouldn't complain if Timmie's found a niche
>usefulness in polishing the bling. :-)

Only if she/he/it is telling the truth about standing in line. Given
the record, I treat anything s/h/it writes as doubtful.

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Pete wrote:
> I have this Razr v3, which is quite nice. What I would like to do is
> turn off messaging and web browsing; fix things so these options aren't
> available at all (already turned off the camera button). All I want is a
> PHONE, not something which will also do the dishes and give the cat a
> bath, er I mean dog. If I want to listen to music, I have this Nex mp3
> player which uses unencrypted CF cards (all I have to do is mount the
> card and copy the files via WPS dnd). Not fancy, nor will it wash the
> dog either, but it does the job quite nicely, including when using a
> tape adapter in my truck's stereo player.

I used to think that I was alone in the world until I read this post.

I had a gun put to my head and was told to get a cell phone for work
about 4 years ago. I got the simplest looking and cheapest one I could
find (some kind of Nokia). I turn it on and I'm instantly bombarded
with 4 "multimedia" "messages" waiting for me, receiving a new one about
every half hour. They were advertisements. I immediately shut it off
(which required going through 2 menus and holding a power button for 5
seconds), and started reading what little documentation came with it.
The simplest phone I could get had picture and text messaging,
rudimentary web access, games, wallpapers, ringtones, and all of this
nonsense that was getting in the way of just having a mobile phone
(which I didn't even really want, but needed for work).

So I finally go through and disable all this crap and get something
semi-usable. Now I see all these ridiculous ads coming out for new
phones and it makes me shudder to think of ever being forced to update
to one of them.

Kudos to Wayne for being mobile-free. I'm definitely jealous. Those
damn things are like shackles.

> Matbe he's a shill for a battery manufacturer or the power company which
> sells you the electricity to recharge the battery in the thing.

Tim/Nick/Ron/Jeff/Larry, or whatever his name is this week, has always
been a shill for something. He's never had his own ideas and never
produced anything of value on his own. He feels some pathetic
psychological need to latch on to whatever is popular or marginally
superior at the time to feel like he is a part of something worthwhile.
A sad existence, likely devoid of human contact.

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On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:31:06 -0700, Marty wrote:

> So I finally go through and disable all this crap and get something
> semi-usable. Now I see all these ridiculous ads coming out for new
> phones and it makes me shudder to think of ever being forced to update
> to one of them.
>
> Kudos to Wayne for being mobile-free. I'm definitely jealous. Those
> damn things are like shackles.

Hey Marty. The problem with mobiles as I see it is people (including
spammers, in your case) think you have it for their convenience and
bombard you with calls and messages at inconvenient times. When I did
have a mobile I'd switch it off when I did not want to be disturbed.
If people really needed to contact me at those times they could
send email, if they didn't it meant it really wasn't important.

BTW. They do have simple phones here, aimed mainly at the 'senior'
market :-)

Wayne
--
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http://www.geocities.jp/rondonko/

Sir:

Wayne wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:31:06 -0700, Marty wrote:
>
>> So I finally go through and disable all this crap and get something
>> semi-usable. Now I see all these ridiculous ads coming out for new
>> phones and it makes me shudder to think of ever being forced to update
>> to one of them.
>>
>> Kudos to Wayne for being mobile-free. I'm definitely jealous. Those
>> damn things are like shackles.
>
> Hey Marty. The problem with mobiles as I see it is people (including
> spammers, in your case) think you have it for their convenience and
> bombard you with calls and messages at inconvenient times. When I did
> have a mobile I'd switch it off when I did not want to be disturbed.
> If people really needed to contact me at those times they could
> send email, if they didn't it meant it really wasn't important.
>
> BTW. They do have simple phones here, aimed mainly at the 'senior'
> market :-)
>
> Wayne
I need one of those senior phones. I don't know how to disable the damn
voice mail feature. People keep on putting messages in there, and I
don't know how to get them out! Then they blame me for failure to
communicate. Ya, I've read the manual for what it worth. Still don't
know anything.
--
Bill
Thanks a Million!

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:00:08 -0500, William L. Hartzell wrote:

> I need one of those senior phones. I don't know how to disable the damn
> voice mail feature. People keep on putting messages in there, and I
> don't know how to get them out! Then they blame me for failure to
> communicate. Ya, I've read the manual for what it worth. Still don't
> know anything.

Here you go :-)

http://www.au.kddi.com/english/produ...e_phone_a101k/
index.html

Watch for wrap

Wayne

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You all sound like a bunch of old geezers to me - too old to embrace new
technology, too set in your ways to see beyond the edge of your bifocals
and a bit too tired to get your hefty rears out of that Barko lounger...

The iPhone is an amazing little device, simply amazing. In a nutshell
it's a palm-sized touch-screen computer. Email, web browsing, music,
videos, selective voice mail and more.

Sizing in at just a 4.5 inches long and 2.4 inches wide, a slight 135
grams in wieght and packing 8Gig of space, a 3.5 diagonal HD widescreen
multi-touch display that is so gorgeous people near you can't help but
peer over your shoulder.

You've seen the ads but even those ads fall short when it comes to the
actual iPhone in your hand. It is so small yet so powerful. Just slide
your finger across the screen to unlock it (yes, you can add a pin
number if you fear losing it and someone running off and using your
account). Listen to music and the music will fade quickly when a call
comes in - take the call - disconnect with just a slight squeeze of the
cord microphone and your music/video returns right where you left off.

I watch everything from last night's Miss Marple, Big Brother, Colbert
Report, Daily Show, The Closer, Monk, Dexter, Bones, Foyle's War, Hotel
Babylon, Midsomer Murders,Mad Men to yesterday's Cleopatra with
Elizabeth Taylor, Casino Royal, Babel, Little Children, Lady in the
Lake, Memento, 13th Warrior - geez, I could go on and on and on...

I've had my iPhone now since January 29th and I'm still glowing with
pleasure and excitement every time I slide my fingers around it. It
rarely leaves my pocket now and I've always got a TVShow, Movie or great
music playing.

The battery time cannot be matched by any cell or smart phone. I place
it in the dock when I got to bed and use it all day long - yes, all the
features from music to videos to making/receiving calls, writing/reading
emails, browsing the web, watching YouTube videos, checking the weather,
my stocks, taking photo after photo, taking notes, scheduling my
calendar, using Google to map my way around and again it works all day
long. Full WiFi and BlueTooth and it is all so easy.

It is what OS/2 was meant to do and never got the chance - and it all
runs without crashing like Windows on OSX (OS10).

Those of you whining like aging children are simply too inept and old to
understand the beauty and power of such an amazing device.

Next time you're on the street and you see someone with an iPod check to
see if that white cord has a tiny microphone at mouth level. That's an
iPhone. Ask him - do you like that thing? I guarantee you'll get a
broad smile and a happy nod yes.

Tim...

Tim/Nick/Ron/Jeff/Larry/Meng/whoever wrote:
> You all sound like a bunch of old geezers to me -

You're older than I am, turkey. In this case, it is clear that age does
not necessarily bring wisdom.

> too old to embrace new technology,

LOL. Tell that to my 64-bit Opteron.

> I watch everything from last night's Miss Marple, Big Brother, Colbert
> Report, Daily Show, The Closer, Monk, ...

Yeah, I watch my favorite shows too... in my home, using my big TV, on
my comfy couch, with my best buddy by my side, occasionally with a cold
one in hand. Beats the hell out of watching them on a 4" screen between
sweaty passengers while standing up on the bus.

> It is what OS/2 was meant to do

OS/2 was never meant to do any of those things. Users wanted it to do a
few of those things because it made such a great desktop system. And
the capability is there for those who want it.

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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:51:23 -0400, © The OS/2 Guy © wrote
(in article <46af180b$0$11990$88260bb3@unlimited.teranews.com>):

> The iPhone is an amazing little device, simply amazing.

So was the charactron CRT in its day. So what?

--
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Trade NEW lamps for OLD for email.

Marty wrote:
> Pete wrote:
>> I have this Razr v3, which is quite nice. What I would like to do is
>> turn off messaging and web browsing; fix things so these options
>> aren't available at all (already turned off the camera button). All I
>> want is a
>> PHONE, not something which will also do the dishes and give the cat a
>> bath, er I mean dog. If I want to listen to music, I have this Nex mp3
>> player which uses unencrypted CF cards (all I have to do is mount the
>> card and copy the files via WPS dnd). Not fancy, nor will it wash the
>> dog either, but it does the job quite nicely, including when using a
>> tape adapter in my truck's stereo player.
>
> I used to think that I was alone in the world until I read this post.
>
> I had a gun put to my head and was told to get a cell phone for work
> about 4 years ago. I got the simplest looking and cheapest one I could
> find (some kind of Nokia). I turn it on and I'm instantly bombarded
> with 4 "multimedia" "messages" waiting for me, receiving a new one about
> every half hour. They were advertisements. I immediately shut it off
> (which required going through 2 menus and holding a power button for 5
> seconds), and started reading what little documentation came with it.
> The simplest phone I could get had picture and text messaging,
> rudimentary web access, games, wallpapers, ringtones, and all of this
> nonsense that was getting in the way of just having a mobile phone
> (which I didn't even really want, but needed for work).
>
> So I finally go through and disable all this crap and get something
> semi-usable. Now I see all these ridiculous ads coming out for new
> phones and it makes me shudder to think of ever being forced to update
> to one of them.
>
> Kudos to Wayne for being mobile-free. I'm definitely jealous. Those
> damn things are like shackles.
>
When I needed to update my phone I just went to the local swap meet,
picked up an old Nokia for $10 (+$5 for the charger) plugged my sim card
in to it and started using it.
This is Canada which like the States has basically one GMS provider and
you have to use GMS to get the freedom of using a sim card. Have to
watch what network the phone is locked to as well though in my case the
phone is supposed to be unlocked.
Dave

Dave Yeo wrote:
>>
> When I needed to update my phone I just went to the local swap meet,
> picked up an old Nokia for $10 (+$5 for the charger) plugged my sim card
> in to it and started using it.

How sad that you are so restricted financially that you have to settle
for used outdated cell technology. My heart goes out to you.

> This is Canada which like the States has basically one GMS provider and
> you have to use GMS to get the freedom of using a sim card. Have to
> watch what network the phone is locked to as well though in my case the
> phone is supposed to be unlocked.

Now I really feel sorry for you but I am oh so very glad I live in
America where we have some semblence of freedom.

God bless you, hey?

Tim...

© The OS/2 Guy © wrote:
> Dave Yeo wrote:
>>>
>> When I needed to update my phone I just went to the local swap meet,
>> picked up an old Nokia for $10 (+$5 for the charger) plugged my sim
>> card in to it and started using it.
>
> How sad that you are so restricted financially that you have to settle
> for used outdated cell technology. My heart goes out to you.

Huh? I barely use the cell phone and wanted something simple which is
what this thread is now talking about. They don't sell simple phones
anymore so my solution was a used one.
>
>> This is Canada which like the States has basically one GMS provider
>> and you have to use GMS to get the freedom of using a sim card. Have
>> to watch what network the phone is locked to as well though in my case
>> the phone is supposed to be unlocked.
>
> Now I really feel sorry for you but I am oh so very glad I live in
> America where we have some semblence of freedom.

You do realize that cell phones are just as locked down in the States as
Canada don't you?

>
> God bless you, hey?
>
> Tim...

Dave

On Aug 1, 5:16 pm, John Varela wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:51:23 -0400, © The OS/2 Guy © wrote
> (in article <46af180b$0$11990$88260...@unlimited.teranews.com>):
>
> > The iPhone is an amazing little device, simply amazing.
>
> So was the charactron CRT in its day. So what?

The difference being: the CRT's days are over while the iPhone's days
have just begun. Life makes way for the new and buries the dead.

Tim...

On Aug 2, 9:33 pm, Dave Yeo wrote:
> © The OS/2 Guy © wrote:
>
> > Dave Yeo wrote:
>
> >> When I needed to update my phone I just went to the local swap meet,
> >> picked up an old Nokia for $10 (+$5 for the charger) plugged my sim
> >> card in to it and started using it.
>
> > How sad that you are so restricted financially that you have to settle
> > for used outdated cell technology. My heart goes out to you.
>
> Huh? I barely use the cell phone and wanted something simple which is
> what this thread is now talking about. They don't sell simple phones
> anymore so my solution was a used one.

Simple is in the eye of the beholder. There are those who believe OS/
2 is simple while a great many would claim otherwise. The iPhone was
never offered as a simple cell phone, it is a computer that fits in
the palm of your hand, that just happens to offer cell phone
capability among many other electronic features. Features that are
not found in other cell phone offerings.
>
> >> This is Canada which like the States has basically one GMS provider
> >> and you have to use GMS to get the freedom of using a sim card. Have
> >> to watch what network the phone is locked to as well though in my case
> >> the phone is supposed to be unlocked.
>
> > Now I really feel sorry for you but I am oh so very glad I live in
> > America where we have some semblence of freedom.
>
> You do realize that cell phones are just as locked down in the States as
> Canada don't you?

What I realize is that Canada has but one phone company and should the
citizens there want to use the iPhone they will have to pay enormous
monthly fees for unlimited internet access and cell phone use compared
to what I pay for unlimited iPhone internet access and cell phone use
through my American service provider.

I don't see that as being "locked down" at all. Of course, being
without iPhone availability entirely, as you are in Canada, is sure to
make Canadians feeling "locked out".

Tim...

Tim...

On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:36:22 -0700, The OS/2 Guy wrote:

>iPhone's days have just begun.

Here the technical press pointed out that
afterall the iPhone is just a consumer item
and as such it is terribly overpriced.

Hey - Apple have brought out a great new
device - the iRack.

See

http://gprime.net/video.php/theirack



Cheers,

Tom [Tom Perrett]