Re: booby squirms some more
Where is that IBM contact name booby? --> You know the one who can verify
that you will be buying OS2 from IBM and reselling it as ecs when IBM
enterprise customers have been told no -- they can't buy OS2 anymore?
You seem to be afraid of telling us that name booby. Doing so would make
a fool out of me. Come on blowhard, I dare you to do it!
In <42ed65c9$0$14462$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>, on 07/31/2005
at 06:55 PM, "Bob St.John" <serenity@augustmail.com> said:
[color=blue]
>me@privacy.net wrote:[color=green]
>> In <42ebdb04$0$14464$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>, on 07/30/2005
>> at 02:51 PM, "Bob St.John" <serenity@augustmail.com> said:
>>
>> ...snipped...
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Shoot, you can't even prove that one! Be a man, for goodness sake. Take
>>>the bet! If eComStation is being sold, with new inventory, in 2006 ...
>>>you leave the newsgroups. Pretty simple. Straightforward.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Here's a suggestion for you Bob, so they can't claim you are selling out
>> old inventory: come out with a brand new release shortly after the new
>> year. Hard to have existing inventory for a new product![/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>We are going to refresh the 1.2 release first. That will be new
>inventory. And we will do a new release, scheduled for the end of the
>year. That has been in the Roadmap since it was put up on the site,
>months ago.[/color]
[color=blue]
>But that doesn't have anything to do with what "ed" and "Tim" are
>saying. It's clear they don't believe a word of what they are saying.[/color]
[color=blue]
>Regards,
>Bob St.John
>Serenity Systems International[/color]
Re: FUD4 Re: OS2Guy openly admits he loves Mickey$oft
[email]letoured@nospam.net[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> Focus on important things booby. Where is that IBM contact name that can
> confirm you will be selling OS2 when IBM stops?[/color]
So, if eComStaton is being sold in January 2006, you agree to quit these
newsgroups, correct? C'mon .. you are always so keen to bet. Don't run
away from this one. According to you, it's a sure thing.
Regards,
Bob St. John
Serenity Systems International
Re: "Mike Ross" ignores truth of ecs again
Mike Ross wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:35:58 GMT, [email]letoured@nospam.net[/email] wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>In <KIRoJuEXw9g9-pn2-evyd7mqSGt9P@ecs>, on 07/31/2005
>> at 05:58 PM, "Kevin K" <kkrieser1@spam.yahoo.com> said:[/color]
>
>
> <snip>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>Kind of conflicts with your claims that ECS isn't OS/2, doesn't it :) --[/color]
>>
>>Not at all. No one denys that OS2 is in the ecs wrapper. But its not the
>>same quality OS2 you get from IBM. --If it was, there would be some ecs
>>enterprise customers.[/color]
>
>
> I think there's a fallacy here.[/color]
I agree. I think you're behind it.
[color=blue]
> Name *any* enterprise customers who
> are rolling out new OS/2 licences of any flavour.[/color]
Since eCS is not OS/2 your attempt to change the focus
is irrelevant.
eCS has been a product for more than 7 years now.
During that entire time Serenity has been unable to
con any large Enterprise customer into purchasing
and using eComStation.
The inability to achieve a sale with even one Enterprise
customer is clearly a failure of the eCS product and
Serenity.
[color=blue]
> I don't think there are any.[/color]
You're right. There are no eCS Enterprise customers.
(There *are* many OS/2 Enterprise customers: Banco
de Brazil, Bank of Italy, Bank of China, Deutsche Bank,
DaimlerChrysler, Vauxhall, Ford (Europe and U.S.)
Toyota, Mitsubishi, Delphi and another 1,000 or so).
[color=blue]
> <snip the rest of the OS/2 bashing>[/color]
[color=blue]
> I don't see how you can suggest a lack of enterprise
> customers for new licenses proves anything.[/color]
It proves that eComStation is a massive failure because
eComStation was never designed for the "home user"
but for the Enterprise customer. Go back to the beginning
of eComStation when LoonyToons and Boob were hyping
the hell out of eCS claiming it would be a product for
large customers (more than 500 seats per sale) and
the draw would be the base OS/2 operating system
and their "new improved 32-second" install program
along with this amazing killer app called "WiseMachine".
And when that failed to materialize, follow back to the
claims by Serenity of where and to whome eCS was
going to be marketed to: Microsoft, Linux and MacIntosh users.
Like the failure of sales to Enterprise customers, eCS was
never marketed outside of the OS/2 community. Why?
Because Serenity knew Microsoft, Linux or Mac users
has no use or desire for, what was obviously, a penny-ante
piece of proprietary software that used an older version
of OS/2.
With misnomer marketing statements ("Warp 5" "only
Serenity could offer JFS" "WiseMachine, the killer app"
"improved install in as little as 32 seconds", eCS the
only future for OS/2, etc.) and then craftily preying on
the fears of OS/2 users, Serenity played the pyramid
game: buy our product today which is dependent upon
our subscription program which is dependent upon our
next upgrade which is dependent upon our improved
subscription program which is dependent upon our
"Refresh" product ... (to infinity).
What you are working so hard at here is ignoring the
truth about Serenity and eCS. You *have* to. You
invested in eCS. Your entire eCS future is dependent
upon a minor third party vendor who conned you into
believing false and manipulative marketing.
So Mike, tell us all, how well does WiseMachine
work and were you able to install your copy of
eCS within the claimed "32-seconds"?
--
Dr. Timothy Martin, The Official and Only OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site - [url]http://www.warpcity.com[/url]
email: [email]OS2Guy@Gmail.com[/email] OR [email]eCSGuy@Gmail.com[/email]
Re: [OT] More Bad News: MS Steals "Vista"
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.os2.apps.]
On 2005-07-25, Jim Moe <jmm-list.AXSPAMGN@sohnen-moe.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> Steve Wendt wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> By the way, am I the only one who finds Microsoft's versioning scheme
>> incredibly stupid? What's wrong with NT 6.0? I'm sure that's what the
>> OS internals call it (or maybe it's 5.5).[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> More like v5.2; winxp is v5.1. They had to change the name because
> Longhorn had become synonymous with "not going to happen in our lifetime."[/color]
So... "Vista" as in "still a long way off?"
:-)
--
John (john@os2.dhs.org)
Re: "Mike Ross" ignores truth of ecs again
Mike Ross wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:35:58 GMT, [email]letoured@nospam.net[/email] wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>In <KIRoJuEXw9g9-pn2-evyd7mqSGt9P@ecs>, on 07/31/2005
>> at 05:58 PM, "Kevin K" <kkrieser1@spam.yahoo.com> said:[/color]
>
>
> <snip>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>Kind of conflicts with your claims that ECS isn't OS/2, doesn't it :) --[/color]
>>
>>Not at all. No one denys that OS2 is in the ecs wrapper. But its not the
>>same quality OS2 you get from IBM. --If it was, there would be some ecs
>>enterprise customers.[/color]
>
>
> I think there's a fallacy here.[/color]
I agree. I think you're behind it.
[color=blue]
> Name *any* enterprise customers who
> are rolling out new OS/2 licences of any flavour.[/color]
Since eCS is not OS/2 your attempt to change the focus
is irrelevant.
eCS has been a product for more than 7 years now.
During that entire time Serenity has been unable to
con any large Enterprise customer into purchasing
and using eComStation.
The inability to achieve a sale with even one Enterprise
customer is clearly a failure of the eCS product and
Serenity.
[color=blue]
> I don't think there are any.[/color]
You're right. There are no eCS Enterprise customers.
(There *are* many OS/2 Enterprise customers: Banco
de Brazil, Bank of Italy, Bank of China, Deutsche Bank,
DaimlerChrysler, Vauxhall, Ford (Europe and U.S.)
Toyota, Mitsubishi, Delphi and another 1,000 or so).
[color=blue]
> <snip the rest of the OS/2 bashing>[/color]
[color=blue]
> I don't see how you can suggest a lack of enterprise
> customers for new licenses proves anything.[/color]
It proves that eComStation is a massive failure because
eComStation was never designed for the "home user"
but for the Enterprise customer. Go back to the beginning
of eComStation when LoonyToons and Boob were hyping
the hell out of eCS claiming it would be a product for
large customers (more than 500 seats per sale) and
the draw would be the base OS/2 operating system
and their "new improved 32-second" install program
along with this amazing killer app called "WiseMachine".
And when that failed to materialize, follow back to the
claims by Serenity of where and to whome eCS was
going to be marketed to: Microsoft, Linux and MacIntosh users.
Like the failure of sales to Enterprise customers, eCS was
never marketed outside of the OS/2 community. Why?
Because Serenity knew Microsoft, Linux or Mac users
has no use or desire for, what was obviously, a penny-ante
piece of proprietary software that used an older version
of OS/2.
With misnomer marketing statements ("Warp 5" "only
Serenity could offer JFS" "WiseMachine, the killer app"
"improved install in as little as 32 seconds", eCS the
only future for OS/2, etc.) and then craftily preying on
the fears of OS/2 users, Serenity played the pyramid
game: buy our product today which is dependent upon
our subscription program which is dependent upon our
next upgrade which is dependent upon our improved
subscription program which is dependent upon our
"Refresh" product ... (to infinity).
What you are working so hard at here is ignoring the
truth about Serenity and eCS. You *have* to. You
invested in eCS. Your entire eCS future is dependent
upon a minor third party vendor who conned you into
believing false and manipulative marketing.
So Mike, tell us all, how well does WiseMachine
work and were you able to install your copy of
eCS within the claimed "32-seconds"?
--
Dr. Timothy Martin, The Official and Only OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site - [url]http://www.warpcity.com[/url]
email: [email]OS2Guy@Gmail.com[/email] OR [email]eCSGuy@Gmail.com[/email]
Re: "Mike Ross" ignores truth of ecs again
Mike Ross wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:30:08 -0400, The OS/2 Guy ? <OS2Guy@Gmail.com>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Mike Ross wrote:[/color]
>
> <much snippage>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>Name *any* enterprise customers who
>>>are rolling out new OS/2 licences of any flavour.[/color]
>>
>>Since eCS is not OS/2 your attempt to change the focus
>>is irrelevant.[/color]
>
> It's certainly based on OS/2.[/color]
If that were true then the eCS clock would work under OS/2.
It doesn't. It is proprietary to eCS and only eCS.
<more snippage>
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> I don't think there are any.[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>>You're right. There are no eCS Enterprise customers.
>>(There *are* many OS/2 Enterprise customers: Banco
>>de Brazil, Bank of Italy, Bank of China, Deutsche Bank,
>>DaimlerChrysler, Vauxhall, Ford (Europe and U.S.)
>>Toyota, Mitsubishi, Delphi and another 1,000 or so).[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> I don't doubt it for an instant. How many *new* OS/2 enterprise
> customers have there been in the last few years?[/color]
Again, has nothing to do with identifying an eCS Enterprise
customer.
You keep working to change the subject here Ross but it
isn't going to happen.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>><snip the rest of the OS/2 bashing>[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> You've snipped my entire point, which is that there have been no
> signifcant new OS/2 sales for the last several years.[/color]
Your 'entire point' is irrelevant to the subject of discussion:
name one eCS Enterprise customer.
Reality reveals the truth: eCS is a failure.
<more OS/2 bashing snipped>
[color=blue]
> <snip the rest of the eCS bashing>[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>>What you are working so hard at here is ignoring the
>>truth about Serenity and eCS. You *have* to. You
>>invested in eCS. Your entire eCS future is dependent
>>upon a minor third party vendor who conned you into
>>believing false and manipulative marketing.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> No-one conned me.[/color]
Turn around quick and you too will find a monkey
flying out of your butt.
[color=blue][color=green]
>>So Mike, tell us all, how well does WiseMachine
>>work and were you able to install your copy of
>>eCS within the claimed "32-seconds"?[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> I've never heard of WiseMachine -[/color]
Ahh the proverbial denial. How about this one:
does your eCS report itself as "Warp 5" or not?
--
Dr. Timothy Martin, The Official and Only OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site - [url]http://www.warpcity.com[/url]
email: [email]OS2Guy@Gmail.com[/email] OR [email]eCSGuy@Gmail.com[/email]
Re: "Mike Ross" ignores truth of ecs again
Mike Ross wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:35:58 GMT, [email]letoured@nospam.net[/email] wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>In <KIRoJuEXw9g9-pn2-evyd7mqSGt9P@ecs>, on 07/31/2005
>> at 05:58 PM, "Kevin K" <kkrieser1@spam.yahoo.com> said:[/color]
>
>
> <snip>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>Kind of conflicts with your claims that ECS isn't OS/2, doesn't it :) --[/color]
>>
>>Not at all. No one denys that OS2 is in the ecs wrapper. But its not the
>>same quality OS2 you get from IBM. --If it was, there would be some ecs
>>enterprise customers.[/color]
>
>
> I think there's a fallacy here.[/color]
I agree. I think you're behind it.
[color=blue]
> Name *any* enterprise customers who
> are rolling out new OS/2 licences of any flavour.[/color]
Since eCS is not OS/2 your attempt to change the focus
is irrelevant.
eCS has been a product for more than 7 years now.
During that entire time Serenity has been unable to
con any large Enterprise customer into purchasing
and using eComStation.
The inability to achieve a sale with even one Enterprise
customer is clearly a failure of the eCS product and
Serenity.
[color=blue]
> I don't think there are any.[/color]
You're right. There are no eCS Enterprise customers.
(There *are* many OS/2 Enterprise customers: Banco
de Brazil, Bank of Italy, Bank of China, Deutsche Bank,
DaimlerChrysler, Vauxhall, Ford (Europe and U.S.)
Toyota, Mitsubishi, Delphi and another 1,000 or so).
[color=blue]
> <snip the rest of the OS/2 bashing>[/color]
[color=blue]
> I don't see how you can suggest a lack of enterprise
> customers for new licenses proves anything.[/color]
It proves that eComStation is a massive failure because
eComStation was never designed for the "home user"
but for the Enterprise customer. Go back to the beginning
of eComStation when LoonyToons and Boob were hyping
the hell out of eCS claiming it would be a product for
large customers (more than 500 seats per sale) and
the draw would be the base OS/2 operating system
and their "new improved 32-second" install program
along with this amazing killer app called "WiseMachine".
And when that failed to materialize, follow back to the
claims by Serenity of where and to whome eCS was
going to be marketed to: Microsoft, Linux and MacIntosh users.
Like the failure of sales to Enterprise customers, eCS was
never marketed outside of the OS/2 community. Why?
Because Serenity knew Microsoft, Linux or Mac users
has no use or desire for, what was obviously, a penny-ante
piece of proprietary software that used an older version
of OS/2.
With misnomer marketing statements ("Warp 5" "only
Serenity could offer JFS" "WiseMachine, the killer app"
"improved install in as little as 32 seconds", eCS the
only future for OS/2, etc.) and then craftily preying on
the fears of OS/2 users, Serenity played the pyramid
game: buy our product today which is dependent upon
our subscription program which is dependent upon our
next upgrade which is dependent upon our improved
subscription program which is dependent upon our
"Refresh" product ... (to infinity).
What you are working so hard at here is ignoring the
truth about Serenity and eCS. You *have* to. You
invested in eCS. Your entire eCS future is dependent
upon a minor third party vendor who conned you into
believing false and manipulative marketing.
So Mike, tell us all, how well does WiseMachine
work and were you able to install your copy of
eCS within the claimed "32-seconds"?
--
Dr. Timothy Martin, The Official and Only OS/2 Guy
Warp City Web Site - [url]http://www.warpcity.com[/url]
email: [email]OS2Guy@Gmail.com[/email] OR [email]eCSGuy@Gmail.com[/email]
