On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:50:20 +0000, Elmer Fudd wrote:

> What would be the best application for joining multiple bitmap images (in
> different formats) into one single larger bitmap image, perhaps also being
> able to make a nice gradation between the individual bitmap images and also
> adding a gradual changeover to a given color at the edge of the new, larger
> image?

I think this would be a relatively straightforward job with Truespectra
Photo>Graphics. Check out the "bitmap frame" : it draws any kind of shape
on the canvas, using any imùage file for the shape' contents.

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Thank you, Luc, will do.

On 06 Jun 2007 19:38:09 GMT, Luc Van Bogaert wrote:

:>On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:50:20 +0000, Elmer Fudd wrote:
:>
:>> What would be the best application for joining multiple bitmap images (in
:>> different formats) into one single larger bitmap image, perhaps alsobeing
:>> able to make a nice gradation between the individual bitmap images and also
:>> adding a gradual changeover to a given color at the edge of the new,larger
:>> image?
:>
:>I think this would be a relatively straightforward job with Truespectra
:>Photo>Graphics. Check out the "bitmap frame" : it draws any kind of shape
:>on the canvas, using any imùage file for the shape' contents.
:>
:>--
:>Luc Van Bogaert

Hmm, I battled with the lousy interface of TrueSpectra for a while but did
not find an easy way of joining two or more bitmap images into a single
larger image. Most of the time the bitmaps ended up on top of each other
without me being able to separate them and then position them although in one
case I began by creating a new bitmap of large size and loaded two bitmaps
into that one. They loaded on top of each other and I found no easy wayof
simply moving them so I stretched them out, each one in a different
direction, and then shrunk them back on the other side -- very clumsy way of
moving them and likely to result in an image that has a new size...

I also went back to Embellish and even tried DrawIt, neither one seemed to
accomplish what seems like a very straightforward task to me...

Do we have any drawing/bitmap/creative experts in the audience? Surely I
cannot be the first person since the launch of OS/2 to do this??

On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:45:31 -0400 (EDT), Elmer Fudd wrote:

:>Thank you, Luc, will do.
:>
:>On 06 Jun 2007 19:38:09 GMT, Luc Van Bogaert wrote:
:>
:>:>On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:50:20 +0000, Elmer Fudd wrote:
:>:>
:>:>> What would be the best application for joining multiple bitmap images (in
:>:>> different formats) into one single larger bitmap image, perhaps also being
:>:>> able to make a nice gradation between the individual bitmap imagesand also
:>:>> adding a gradual changeover to a given color at the edge of the new, larger
:>:>> image?
:>:>
:>:>I think this would be a relatively straightforward job with Truespectra
:>:>Photo>Graphics. Check out the "bitmap frame" : it draws any kind of shape
:>:>on the canvas, using any imùage file for the shape' contents.
:>:>
:>:>--
:>:>Luc Van Bogaert
:>
:>

Elmer Fudd wrote:
> What would be the best application for joining multiple bitmap images (in
> different formats) into one single larger bitmap image, perhaps also being
> able to make a nice gradation between the individual bitmap images and also
> adding a gradual changeover to a given color at the edge of the new, larger
> image?
>
> I looked quickly at Embellish, Galleria, PMView, and TrueSpectra but it was
> not obvious to me that any of them could accomplish the above? Hopefully I
> am wrong, or there is another package (and I do prefer a native OS/2
> package.)
>
> Thanks.

I do this with PMView to create desktop backgrounds all the time. Open
two copies of PMView. In one copy, create a new blank image the size of
both bitmaps combined. In the other copy, open your first image.
Select "Edit" and "Copy" from the menu. Paste this into the blank image
"as Selection". While it is selected, you can slide it around in your
blank image. Then open the other bitmap, copy, and paste into the
half-filled bitmap. Slide as needed, click off of it, save, and you're
all set.

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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:50:20 GMT, Elmer Fudd wrote:
> What would be the best application for joining multiple bitmap images (in
> different formats) into one single larger bitmap image, perhaps also being
> able to make a nice gradation between the individual bitmap images and also
> adding a gradual changeover to a given color at the edge of the new, larger
> image?
>
> I looked quickly at Embellish, Galleria, PMView, and TrueSpectra but it was
> not obvious to me that any of them could accomplish the above? Hopefully I
> am wrong, or there is another package (and I do prefer a native OS/2
> package.)

Marty's suggestion is good for simple jobs. For a more integrated
approach, you could use Pixel32 or The GIMP.

--
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http://www.cs-club.org/~alex

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Thanks Alex but before I install one of the two you mentioned, do you know
for sure that I can stitch multiple bitmap images together and blend them
into each other?

As I mentioned before, TrueSpectra which I believe has been a highly regarded
image manipulation package fell well short of my expectations in usability
overall.

On 7 Jun 2007 10:39:02 -0500, Alex Taylor wrote:

:>On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:50:20 GMT, Elmer Fudd wrote:
:>> What would be the best application for joining multiple bitmap images (in
:>> different formats) into one single larger bitmap image, perhaps also being
:>> able to make a nice gradation between the individual bitmap images and also
:>> adding a gradual changeover to a given color at the edge of the new, larger
:>> image?
:>>
:>> I looked quickly at Embellish, Galleria, PMView, and TrueSpectra but it was
:>> not obvious to me that any of them could accomplish the above? Hopefully I
:>> am wrong, or there is another package (and I do prefer a native OS/2
:>> package.)
:>
:>Marty's suggestion is good for simple jobs. For a more integrated
:>approach, you could use Pixel32 or The GIMP.
:>
:>--
:>Alex Taylor
:>http://www.cs-club.org/~alex
:>
:>Remove hat to reply (reply-to address).

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:53:47 +0000, Elmer Fudd wrote:

> Hmm, I battled with the lousy interface of TrueSpectra for a while but did
> not find an easy way of joining two or more bitmap images into a single
> larger image. Most of the time the bitmaps ended up on top of each other
> without me being able to separate them and then position them although in one
> case I began by creating a new bitmap of large size and loaded two bitmaps
> into that one. They loaded on top of each other and I found no easy way of
> simply moving them so I stretched them out, each one in a different
> direction, and then shrunk them back on the other side -- very clumsy way of
> moving them and likely to result in an image that has a new size...
>
> I also went back to Embellish and even tried DrawIt, neither one seemed to
> accomplish what seems like a very straightforward task to me...
>
> Do we have any drawing/bitmap/creative experts in the audience? Surely I
> cannot be the first person since the launch of OS/2 to do this??

What I would do in Photo>Graphics is create a new canvas of the desired
size. Then, in the new canvas, create a new frame of type 'bitmap'. It'll
ask you to select the bitmap file. Once you've created the frame, select
it (F2), and move and drag to desired size and location. Do the same for
the second bitmap.

--
Luc Van Bogaert

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:02:04 GMT, Elmer Fudd wrote:
> Thanks Alex but before I install one of the two you mentioned, do you know
> for sure that I can stitch multiple bitmap images together and blend them
> into each other?

Since I don't have a highly clear picture of what the exact effect is that
you're looking for, I can't give you a completely definitive answer. Both
programs certainly allow you to combine and manipulate images in almost
any imaginable way. You may find the learning curve a bit steep, of
course, if you have never used a Photoshop-like application before. But I
think both are considerably easier than Truespectra, which I could never
make sense of.

--
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http://www.cs-club.org/~alex

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Thanks, will try them.

On 8 Jun 2007 09:31:01 -0500, Alex Taylor wrote:

:>On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:02:04 GMT, Elmer Fudd wrote:
:>> Thanks Alex but before I install one of the two you mentioned, do you know
:>> for sure that I can stitch multiple bitmap images together and blend them
:>> into each other?
:>
:>Since I don't have a highly clear picture of what the exact effect is that
:>you're looking for, I can't give you a completely definitive answer. Both
:>programs certainly allow you to combine and manipulate images in almost
:>any imaginable way. You may find the learning curve a bit steep, of
:>course, if you have never used a Photoshop-like application before. But I
:>think both are considerably easier than Truespectra, which I could never
:>make sense of.
:>
:>--
:>Alex Taylor
:>http://www.cs-club.org/~alex
:>
:>Remove hat to reply (reply-to address).

Luc, the awkward non-intuitive interface of TrueSpectra drives me away from
it. While I was indeed able to accomplish what you describe, it was far from
intuitive and I have yet to find an easy way of blending images into each
other. I was quite surprised since the package's virtues had been extolled
so many times in the past...

On 08 Jun 2007 11:41:49 GMT, Luc Van Bogaert wrote:

:>On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:53:47 +0000, Elmer Fudd wrote:
:>
:>> Hmm, I battled with the lousy interface of TrueSpectra for a while but did
:>> not find an easy way of joining two or more bitmap images into a single
:>> larger image. Most of the time the bitmaps ended up on top of each other
:>> without me being able to separate them and then position them although in one
:>> case I began by creating a new bitmap of large size and loaded two bitmaps
:>> into that one. They loaded on top of each other and I found no easy way of
:>> simply moving them so I stretched them out, each one in a different
:>> direction, and then shrunk them back on the other side -- very clumsy way of
:>> moving them and likely to result in an image that has a new size...
:>>
:>> I also went back to Embellish and even tried DrawIt, neither one seemed to
:>> accomplish what seems like a very straightforward task to me...
:>>
:>> Do we have any drawing/bitmap/creative experts in the audience? Surely I
:>> cannot be the first person since the launch of OS/2 to do this??
:>
:>What I would do in Photo>Graphics is create a new canvas of the desired
:>size. Then, in the new canvas, create a new frame of type 'bitmap'. It'll
:>ask you to select the bitmap file. Once you've created the frame, select
:>it (F2), and move and drag to desired size and location. Do the same for
:>the second bitmap.
:>
:>--
:>Luc Van Bogaert

I have not found a later version of GIMP than version 1.22 on netlabs.org
which carries a file date of August '01 -- can that really be right? As for
Pixel32, it is not clear if the OS/2 version is on par with the versions for
other operating systems -- Mensys' website does not list a version number.

Does anyone know what the latest versions of GIMP and Pixel32 for OS/2 are?
And, where can the latest version of GIMP be downloaded from?

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:25:28 -0400 (EDT), Elmer Fudd wrote:

:>Thanks, will try them.
:>
:>On 8 Jun 2007 09:31:01 -0500, Alex Taylor wrote:
:>
:>:>On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:02:04 GMT, Elmer Fudd wrote:
:>:>> Thanks Alex but before I install one of the two you mentioned, do you know
:>:>> for sure that I can stitch multiple bitmap images together and blend them
:>:>> into each other?
:>:>
:>:>Since I don't have a highly clear picture of what the exact effect is that
:>:>you're looking for, I can't give you a completely definitive answer. Both
:>:>programs certainly allow you to combine and manipulate images in almost
:>:>any imaginable way. You may find the learning curve a bit steep, of
:>:>course, if you have never used a Photoshop-like application before. But I
:>:>think both are considerably easier than Truespectra, which I could never
:>:>make sense of.
:>:>
:>:>--
:>:>Alex Taylor
:>:>http://www.cs-club.org/~alex
:>:>
:>:>Remove hat to reply (reply-to address).
:>
:>

Elmer Fudd wrote:
> I have not found a later version of GIMP than version 1.22 on netlabs.org
> which carries a file date of August '01 -- can that really be right? As for
> Pixel32, it is not clear if the OS/2 version is on par with the versions for
> other operating systems -- Mensys' website does not list a version number.
>
> Does anyone know what the latest versions of GIMP and Pixel32 for OS/2 are?
> And, where can the latest version of GIMP be downloaded from?
>

Start here,
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-bro...gimp&sort=date.
Needs XFree 4.5 etc. Will run in Hoblink X11 but needs quite a few
libraries. Read the readme.
Dave

In , "Elmer Fudd" writes:
>Luc, the awkward non-intuitive interface of TrueSpectra drives me away from
>it. While I was indeed able to accomplish what you describe, it was far from
>intuitive and I have yet to find an easy way of blending images into each
>other. I was quite surprised since the package's virtues had been extolled
>so many times in the past...


The virtue of True Spectra is that it retains the identity of each object
overlaid on the canvas so that they can be moved or replaced.

I use ColorWorks to assemble a montage of images by pasting each one from the
clipboard, but after the last mouseclick the image is instantly glued to the
canvas and no changes are possible. I have not tried blending the edges of one
image to its neighbour.

Thank you, sounds complicated so I'll pass on it.

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 01:01:34 GMT, Dave Yeo wrote:

:>Elmer Fudd wrote:
:>> I have not found a later version of GIMP than version 1.22 on netlabs.org
:>> which carries a file date of August '01 -- can that really be right? As for
:>> Pixel32, it is not clear if the OS/2 version is on par with the versions for
:>> other operating systems -- Mensys' website does not list a version number.
:>>
:>> Does anyone know what the latest versions of GIMP and Pixel32 for OS/2 are?
:>> And, where can the latest version of GIMP be downloaded from?
:>>
:>
:>Start here,
:>http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-bro...gimp&sort=date.
:>Needs XFree 4.5 etc. Will run in Hoblink X11 but needs quite a few
:>libraries. Read the readme.
:>Dave

Looked at Pixel and found that it does not use native controls which means
that text is too small on my monitor, looks fuzzy etc. Not using native
controls but reinventing the wheel and thus losing out on any system settings
etc receives a big minus in my book!

On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:46:02 -0400 (EDT), Elmer Fudd wrote:

:>I have not found a later version of GIMP than version 1.22 on netlabs.org
:>which carries a file date of August '01 -- can that really be right? As for
:>Pixel32, it is not clear if the OS/2 version is on par with the versions for
:>other operating systems -- Mensys' website does not list a version number.
:>
:>Does anyone know what the latest versions of GIMP and Pixel32 for OS/2 are?
:>And, where can the latest version of GIMP be downloaded from?
:>
:>On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:25:28 -0400 (EDT), Elmer Fudd wrote:
:>
:>:>Thanks, will try them.
:>:>
:>:>On 8 Jun 2007 09:31:01 -0500, Alex Taylor wrote:
:>:>
:>:>:>On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:02:04 GMT, Elmer Fudd wrote:
:>:>:>> Thanks Alex but before I install one of the two you mentioned, do you know
:>:>:>> for sure that I can stitch multiple bitmap images together and blend them
:>:>:>> into each other?
:>:>:>
:>:>:>Since I don't have a highly clear picture of what the exact effect is that
:>:>:>you're looking for, I can't give you a completely definitive answer. Both
:>:>:>programs certainly allow you to combine and manipulate images in almost
:>:>:>any imaginable way. You may find the learning curve a bit steep, of
:>:>:>course, if you have never used a Photoshop-like application before. But I
:>:>:>think both are considerably easier than Truespectra, which I could never
:>:>:>make sense of.
:>:>:>
:>:>:>--
:>:>:>Alex Taylor
:>:>:>http://www.cs-club.org/~alex
:>:>:>
:>:>:>Remove hat to reply (reply-to address).
:>:>
:>:>
:>
:>

Thank you for the heads up. The awkward user interface of TrueSpectra is a
hindrance. As for ColorWorks I installed it yesterday and began taking a
look at it. The fact that it always seems to expand to maximum size on the
desktop annoys me, I have not found it uses the right mouse button on objects
together with some other odd things (such as why would you want to set the
number of processors used on a multiprocessor system? Let the OS take care
of that. Also, on my quad-system, I am able to set more than 4
processors.... This is a typical example of the developers falling in love
with what they can do rather than the utility of it.)

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:57:09 GMT, johnsuth@nospam.com.au wrote:

:>In , "Elmer Fudd" writes:
:>>Luc, the awkward non-intuitive interface of TrueSpectra drives me away from
:>>it. While I was indeed able to accomplish what you describe, it was far from
:>>intuitive and I have yet to find an easy way of blending images into each
:>>other. I was quite surprised since the package's virtues had been extolled
:>>so many times in the past...
:>
:>
:>The virtue of True Spectra is that it retains the identity of each object
:>overlaid on the canvas so that they can be moved or replaced.
:>
:>I use ColorWorks to assemble a montage of images by pasting each one from the
:>clipboard, but after the last mouseclick the image is instantly glued to the
:>canvas and no changes are possible. I have not tried blending the edges of one
:>image to its neighbour.
:>
:>
:>

In , on 06/10/2007
at 01:01 AM, Dave Yeo said:

Hi,

>Start here,
>http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-bro...gimp&sort=date.
>Needs XFree 4.5 etc. Will run in Hoblink X11 but needs quite a few
>libraries.

Alex made it pretty trivial to get running under HOBLink. See

http://www.cs-club.org/~alex/os2/uti...imp228-hob.png

and

http://www.cs-club.org/~alex/os2/utils


Steven

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OK, will reconsider, thank you.

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:24:33 GMT, Steven Levine wrote:

:>In , on 06/10/2007
:> at 01:01 AM, Dave Yeo said:
:>
:>Hi,
:>
:>>Start here,
:>>http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/h-bro...gimp&sort=date.
:>>Needs XFree 4.5 etc. Will run in Hoblink X11 but needs quite a few
:>>libraries.
:>
:>Alex made it pretty trivial to get running under HOBLink. See
:>
:> http://www.cs-club.org/~alex/os2/uti...imp228-hob.png
:>
:>and
:>
:> http://www.cs-club.org/~alex/os2/utils
:>
:>
:>Steven
:>
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:>eCS/Warp/DIY/14.103a_W4 www.scoug.com irc.ca.webbnet.info #scoug (Wed 7pm PST)
:>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
:>

On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:46:15 GMT, Elmer Fudd wrote:
> I have not found a later version of GIMP than version 1.22 on netlabs.org
> which carries a file date of August '01 -- can that really be right? As for
> Pixel32, it is not clear if the OS/2 version is on par with the versions for
> other operating systems -- Mensys' website does not list a version number.
>
> Does anyone know what the latest versions of GIMP and Pixel32 for OS/2 are?
> And, where can the latest version of GIMP be downloaded from?

Not sure about Pixel32, but as Steven noted you can grab the latest
(AFAIK) GIMP here:
http://www.cs-club.org/~alex/os2/utils/#gimp

You will need an X11 server like HOB, which is included with some versions
of eComStation. WeirdX is also available (free) but is a bit slower.

It requires a small amount of legwork to configure, but it's all pretty
straightforward - and orders of magnitude easier than trying to set it up
manually. For more information, see:
http://www.cs-club.org/~alex/os2/uti...imp/readme.txt

CAVEAT: if you do use HOBlink as your X server, make sure you SAVE EARLY
and SAVE OFTEN when working in the GIMP. I've found that HOBlink tends to
crash from time to time, and takes the GIMP with it.

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