The Push To Discredit Leopard

I'm sure you've seen them lately. It started at PCMagazine with a
short pro/con review of Leopard but has been picked up by a gaggle of
Windows/Microsoft loving bloggers who are now claiming "Apple's
Leopard is the New Vista". Their game is to discredit Leopard and
Apple, to insinuate Leopard is as poorly developed as Vista. That's
total hogwash, of course, but there are those computer users looking
at Macs as an alternative and believing the crap posted by PCMagazine
and their blog lovers.

Read the entire article here:

[url]http://www.os2guy.com/2007/11/free-wallpaper-click-to-download-iphone.html[/url]

On this same page you can read these scoops:

- The First Pre-iPhone Mini for sale on Cragslist
- iPhone Credit Ends COB Today
- Release date for Office for the Mac 2008
- Release date for new 20% faster Mac Pros

Dr. Tim Martin, The OS/2 Guy
Visit The OS/2 Guy Blog Today
[url]http://www.os2guy.com[/url]

I am sure this has received a lot of attention in the
comp.sys.mac.advocacy group. If not, you can be the first?

In article
<9f77e942-49cd-4d01-b342-b73ce4b7df3e@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"(c) The OS/2 Guy (c)" <os2guy@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I'm sure you've seen them lately. It started at PCMagazine with a
> short pro/con review of Leopard but has been picked up by a gaggle of
> Windows/Microsoft loving bloggers who are now claiming "Apple's
> Leopard is the New Vista". Their game is to discredit Leopard and
> Apple, to insinuate Leopard is as poorly developed as Vista. That's
> total hogwash, of course, but there are those computer users looking
> at Macs as an alternative and believing the crap posted by PCMagazine
> and their blog lovers.[/color]

Well, without going anywhere _near_ "Leopard is as poorly developed
as Vista" (which I do not remotely believe to be the case...), I have
good experience with Leopard on my MacBook (other than the utterly
abominable and hateful "translucent" menus, which suck big time...).

However, I have nothing but grief trying to put Leopard on my G5 dual
system. Half a dozen attempts, with varying styles (upgrading, doing
a complete erase-and-install, etc.) all wind up unusable. I have never
(in about 20 years of Mac usage, starting with a MacII) had this kind
of problem with a new Mac OS release. Ever. Leopard is, IMO, flawed.

Michael Siemon wrote:[color=blue]
> In article
> <9f77e942-49cd-4d01-b342-b73ce4b7df3e@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> "(c) The OS/2 Guy (c)" <os2guy@gmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I'm sure you've seen them lately. It started at PCMagazine with a
>> short pro/con review of Leopard but has been picked up by a gaggle of
>> Windows/Microsoft loving bloggers who are now claiming "Apple's
>> Leopard is the New Vista". Their game is to discredit Leopard and
>> Apple, to insinuate Leopard is as poorly developed as Vista. That's
>> total hogwash, of course, but there are those computer users looking
>> at Macs as an alternative and believing the crap posted by PCMagazine
>> and their blog lovers.[/color]
>
> Well, without going anywhere _near_ "Leopard is as poorly developed
> as Vista" (which I do not remotely believe to be the case...), I have
> good experience with Leopard on my MacBook (other than the utterly
> abominable and hateful "translucent" menus, which suck big time...).
>
> However, I have nothing but grief trying to put Leopard on my G5 dual
> system. Half a dozen attempts, with varying styles (upgrading, doing
> a complete erase-and-install, etc.) all wind up unusable. I have never
> (in about 20 years of Mac usage, starting with a MacII) had this kind
> of problem with a new Mac OS release. Ever. Leopard is, IMO, flawed.[/color]

No, your logic is flawed.

Checked your hardware/memory?

As you said, it works on your MacBook.

In article
<47510994$0$25239$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
Andy <nospam@no.no> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Michael Siemon wrote:[color=green]
> > In article
> > <9f77e942-49cd-4d01-b342-b73ce4b7df3e@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > "(c) The OS/2 Guy (c)" <os2guy@gmail.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> I'm sure you've seen them lately. It started at PCMagazine with a
> >> short pro/con review of Leopard but has been picked up by a gaggle of
> >> Windows/Microsoft loving bloggers who are now claiming "Apple's
> >> Leopard is the New Vista". Their game is to discredit Leopard and
> >> Apple, to insinuate Leopard is as poorly developed as Vista. That's
> >> total hogwash, of course, but there are those computer users looking
> >> at Macs as an alternative and believing the crap posted by PCMagazine
> >> and their blog lovers.[/color]
> >
> > Well, without going anywhere _near_ "Leopard is as poorly developed
> > as Vista" (which I do not remotely believe to be the case...), I have
> > good experience with Leopard on my MacBook (other than the utterly
> > abominable and hateful "translucent" menus, which suck big time...).
> >
> > However, I have nothing but grief trying to put Leopard on my G5 dual
> > system. Half a dozen attempts, with varying styles (upgrading, doing
> > a complete erase-and-install, etc.) all wind up unusable. I have never
> > (in about 20 years of Mac usage, starting with a MacII) had this kind
> > of problem with a new Mac OS release. Ever. Leopard is, IMO, flawed.[/color]
>
> No, your logic is flawed.
>
> Checked your hardware/memory?
>
> As you said, it works on your MacBook.[/color]

The G5 runs every other Mac OS of the last three+ years just fine,
thank you. Abstract notions of "there is a hardware problem" are
mostly just crap, in that context. You can believe that if you like.
Sure, there may be some bizarre and totally obscure reason that the
new OS _doesn't_ work -- but so ****ing what? It _doesn't_ work.
Meanwhile, Tiger is just great. No problem at all. That is _not_
my definition of a "hardware" problem.

Do you understand that? What the **** is your point? I should junk
my system because it won't run an OS upgrade that I have ambivalent
feelings about? I repeat -- there is _no_ problem on this system in
Tiger. None. Nada. Nitchevo. I suspect, rather, that Apple is not
really all that interested in Power PC G5 systems, these days. I'll
live with it, and I will probably pick up the new MacPro when it
is announced. But that doesn't mean I'm a happy camper. I have, as
I said, _never_ had this kind of **** from Apple before.

Michael Siemon wrote:[color=blue]
> In article
> <47510994$0$25239$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> Andy <nospam@no.no> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Michael Siemon wrote:[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> However, I have nothing but grief trying to put Leopard on my G5 dual
>>> system. Half a dozen attempts, with varying styles (upgrading, doing
>>> a complete erase-and-install, etc.) all wind up unusable. I have never
>>> (in about 20 years of Mac usage, starting with a MacII) had this kind
>>> of problem with a new Mac OS release. Ever. Leopard is, IMO, flawed.[/color]
>> No, your logic is flawed.
>>
>> Checked your hardware/memory?
>>
>> As you said, it works on your MacBook.[/color]
>
> The G5 runs every other Mac OS of the last three+ years just fine,
> thank you. Abstract notions of "there is a hardware problem" are
> mostly just crap, in that context. You can believe that if you like.
> Sure, there may be some bizarre and totally obscure reason that the
> new OS _doesn't_ work -- but so ****ing what? It _doesn't_ work.
> Meanwhile, Tiger is just great. No problem at all. That is _not_
> my definition of a "hardware" problem.
>
> Do you understand that? What the **** is your point? I should junk
> my system because it won't run an OS upgrade that I have ambivalent
> feelings about? I repeat -- there is _no_ problem on this system in
> Tiger. None. Nada. Nitchevo. I suspect, rather, that Apple is not
> really all that interested in Power PC G5 systems, these days. I'll
> live with it, and I will probably pick up the new MacPro when it
> is announced. But that doesn't mean I'm a happy camper. I have, as
> I said, _never_ had this kind of **** from Apple before.[/color]


So...

Have you run memtest in single user mode to check for MARGINAL RAM?

I'm guessing not.

Andy wrote:[color=blue]
> Michael Siemon wrote:[color=green]
>> In article
>> <47510994$0$25239$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>> Andy <nospam@no.no> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Michael Siemon wrote:[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>> However, I have nothing but grief trying to put Leopard on my G5 dual
>>>> system. Half a dozen attempts, with varying styles (upgrading, doing
>>>> a complete erase-and-install, etc.) all wind up unusable. I have never
>>>> (in about 20 years of Mac usage, starting with a MacII) had this kind
>>>> of problem with a new Mac OS release. Ever. Leopard is, IMO, flawed.
>>> No, your logic is flawed.
>>>
>>> Checked your hardware/memory?
>>>
>>> As you said, it works on your MacBook.[/color]
>>
>> The G5 runs every other Mac OS of the last three+ years just fine,
>> thank you. Abstract notions of "there is a hardware problem" are
>> mostly just crap, in that context. You can believe that if you like.
>> Sure, there may be some bizarre and totally obscure reason that the
>> new OS _doesn't_ work -- but so ****ing what? It _doesn't_ work.
>> Meanwhile, Tiger is just great. No problem at all. That is _not_
>> my definition of a "hardware" problem.
>>
>> Do you understand that? What the **** is your point? I should junk
>> my system because it won't run an OS upgrade that I have ambivalent
>> feelings about? I repeat -- there is _no_ problem on this system in
>> Tiger. None. Nada. Nitchevo. I suspect, rather, that Apple is not
>> really all that interested in Power PC G5 systems, these days. I'll
>> live with it, and I will probably pick up the new MacPro when it
>> is announced. But that doesn't mean I'm a happy camper. I have, as
>> I said, _never_ had this kind of **** from Apple before.[/color]
>
>
> So...
>
> Have you run memtest in single user mode to check for MARGINAL RAM?
>
> I'm guessing not.[/color]

No chit.

Greg

In article
<47510994$0$25239$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
Andy <nospam@no.no> wrote:
[color=blue]
> No, your logic is flawed.
>
> Checked your hardware/memory?
>
> As you said, it works on your MacBook.[/color]

It works perfectly on my Mac Pro, too, but there are a slew of reports
of it _not_ working on some G5 machines. It's flawed somehow, and
playing the "the customer is always wrong" game isn't going to change
that. Apple isn't the established church, Stevie isn't the godhead.
Apple is a huge and greedy corporation that's made some interesting
mistakes recently.

I like Leopard, but there's some seriously stupid (to the point of
retardation) design in the interface and why the **** isn't Java 6
included and why the **** won't Apple talk about it? And what mental
midget designed those leaning-tower stacks?

Remember PowerTalk? AROSE?
--
W. Oates

In article <13l29t08p8no077@corp.supernews.com>,
"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote:

The Push To Discredit Leopard?

.....And some people will defend Apple no matter what reality intrudes.

(c) The OS/2 Guy (c) wrote:[color=blue]
> [url]http://www.os2guy.com/2007/11/free-wallpaper-click-to-download-iphone.html[/url][/color]

Can you please call that beautiful wall paper "The Road Ahead" after the
great Bill Gates novel? ;-)

--
Dr Jon D Harrop, Flying Frog Consultancy Ltd.
[url]http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/?u[/url]

In article <rikoski-F79E9F.08213801122007@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Rikoski <rikoski@comcast.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> The Push To Discredit Leopard?
>
> ....And some people will defend Apple no matter what reality
> intrudes.[/color]

And many more will attack Apple no matter what reality intrudes.

--
Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.

Rikoski wrote:[color=blue]
> ....And some people will defend Apple no matter what reality intrudes.[/color]

Well, when faced with a conspiracy, I mena a "Push" ....

:-)

--
Wes Groleau

Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which
the only specification is that it should run noiselessly.
-- unknown

Jon Harrop wrote:[color=blue]
> (c) The OS/2 Guy (c) wrote:[color=green]
>> [url]http://www.os2guy.com/2007/11/free-wallpaper-click-to-download-iphone.html[/url][/color]
>
> Can you please call that beautiful wall paper "The Road Ahead" after the
> great Bill Gates novel? ;-)
>[/color]

Having Tim/Larry on the team and cross posting to OS2 groups will
certainly help to discredit the Leopard. FUD, invented by Gates and
adopted by Timmy.

Keep your Mac discussions in the Mac groups please.


Remove comp.os.os2.misc *Before* replying so that I don't see the reply :-)

Thank You



(c) The OS/2 Guy (c) wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm sure you've seen them lately. It started at PCMagazine with a
> short pro/con review of Leopard but has been picked up by a gaggle of
> Windows/Microsoft loving bloggers who are now claiming "Apple's
> Leopard is the New Vista". Their game is to discredit Leopard and
> Apple, to insinuate Leopard is as poorly developed as Vista. That's
> total hogwash, of course, but there are those computer users looking
> at Macs as an alternative and believing the crap posted by PCMagazine
> and their blog lovers.
>
> Read the entire article here:
>
> [url]http://www.os2guy.com/2007/11/free-wallpaper-click-to-download-iphone.html[/url]
>
> On this same page you can read these scoops:
>
> - The First Pre-iPhone Mini for sale on Cragslist
> - iPhone Credit Ends COB Today
> - Release date for Office for the Mac 2008
> - Release date for new 20% faster Mac Pros
>
> Dr. Tim Martin, The OS/2 Guy
> Visit The OS/2 Guy Blog Today
> [url]http://www.os2guy.com[/url][/color]

In article
<9f77e942-49cd-4d01-b342-b73ce4b7df3e@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"(c) The OS/2 Guy (c)" <os2guy@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I'm sure you've seen them lately. It started at PCMagazine[/color]

Yeah, Larry. About a week ago.

As usual, Larry Chauvet is clueless.

Bob Campbell

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 02:15:39 UTC, "(c) The OS/2 Guy (c)"
<os2guy@gmail.com> wrote:

His usual load of garbage. NOBODY discredits leopard more than the, so
called, os2guy.

Please, in the future, use a little respect for your fellow news
readers, and add the designation [FUD4] to the subject line, as I,
hopefully, remembered to do here, when replying to one of them (if you
really feel that you must make yourself look silly), or when
discussing the "problem", and filter the FUD4 (you will easily
identify them, when they post), AND the FUD4 subject, to avoid even
seeing their crap. Also, try to refrain from quoting ANYTHING, that
they have to say. That will help to avoid the other problem (news
group noise). Many users really don't care anymore, and doing this,
helps to make this news group usable again.

Also, see:

[url]http://tmfaq.servehttp.com/[/url]

if you don't know what all of this is about.

If you persist in quoting the idiot(s), without using the [FUD4] flag,
in the subject, I will have to globally filter you (and others) too.
Arguing with the idiot(s), makes you just as bad as they are. If you
feel that you must say something, simply erase everything that they
have to say, and point any follow on readers to the above web page. It
says all that needs to be said to, and about, the idiot(s).

Thanks...
--
From the eComStation 2.0 RC2 of Doug Bissett
dougb007 at telus dot net
(Please make the obvious changes, to e-mail me)

In article <mlsiemon-7DEE83.22114530112007@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net>,
Michael Siemon <mlsiemon@sonic.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Well, without going anywhere _near_ "Leopard is as poorly developed
> as Vista" (which I do not remotely believe to be the case...), I have
> good experience with Leopard on my MacBook (other than the utterly
> abominable and hateful "translucent" menus, which suck big time...).
>
> However, I have nothing but grief trying to put Leopard on my G5 dual
> system. Half a dozen attempts, with varying styles (upgrading, doing
> a complete erase-and-install, etc.) all wind up unusable. I have never
> (in about 20 years of Mac usage, starting with a MacII) had this kind
> of problem with a new Mac OS release. Ever. Leopard is, IMO, flawed.[/color]


Upgraded to Leopard (from burned DVD) into a Dual 1.8GHz PowerPC G5,
with 512MB: no problem at all, it works as a charm. Not that I like it
much more that Tiger or Panther, but I've had no problems.

(The machine where I do most of my work is on 10.3.9).

_x.

--
Only one "o" in my e-mail address

On Dec 3, 6:28 am, Xavier Llobet <Xavier.Lloo...@epfl.ch> wrote:[color=blue]
> In article <mlsiemon-7DEE83.22114530112...@nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net>,
> Michael Siemon <mlsie...@sonic.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Well, without going anywhere _near_ "Leopard is as poorly developed
> > as Vista" (which I do not remotely believe to be the case...), I have
> > good experience with Leopard on my MacBook (other than the utterly
> > abominable and hateful "translucent" menus, which suck big time...).[/color]
>[color=green]
> > However, I have nothing but grief trying to put Leopard on my G5 dual
> > system. Half a dozen attempts, with varying styles (upgrading, doing
> > a complete erase-and-install, etc.) all wind up unusable. I have never
> > (in about 20 years of Mac usage, starting with a MacII) had this kind
> > of problem with a new Mac OS release. Ever. Leopard is, IMO, flawed.[/color]
>
> Upgraded to Leopard (from burned DVD) into a Dual 1.8GHz PowerPC G5,
> with 512MB: no problem at all, it works as a charm. Not that I like it
> much more that Tiger or Panther, but I've had no problems.
>
> (The machine where I do most of my work is on 10.3.9).
>
> _x.
>
> --
> Only one "o" in my e-mail address[/color]

Any chance you could stop cross this posting Leopard stuff?

Thanks,

In article <SKfw30zmCGmZ-pn2-YiSBDb4izMS2@blah.blah.com>,
"Doug Bissett" <dougb007!SPAM@telus.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> If you persist in quoting the idiot(s), without using the [FUD4] flag,
> in the subject, I will have to globally filter you (and others) too.[/color]

Please do. Now you've created a 2nd thread about nothing except your own
neurotic instabilities.
--
W. Oates

PB> Remove comp.os.os2.misc *Before* replying so that I don't see the
reply :-)

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