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  1. fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    I have just unloaded Firefox 3 beta because it kept interfering with FireFox
    2, particularly in plugins.

    Having deleted FireFox 3 beta (note 3!) I received a questionnaire on why I
    had deleted it. I answered form the standpoint of deleting 3 but keeping 2,
    I only realised that the questionnaire was for FireFox 2 when I sent it off.

    I was also VERY surprised that the questionnaire was handled by IE 7
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    My copy of FireFox 2 was still there and still my default browser. Don't
    Mozilla trust their own product???????



  2. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    Chris Dart keyboarded, On 4/22/2008 10:55 AM :
    > I have just unloaded Firefox 3 beta because it kept interfering with FireFox
    > 2, particularly in plugins.
    >
    > Having deleted FireFox 3 beta (note 3!) I received a questionnaire on why I
    > had deleted it. I answered form the standpoint of deleting 3 but keeping 2,
    > I only realised that the questionnaire was for FireFox 2 when I sent it off.
    >
    > I was also VERY surprised that the questionnaire was handled by IE 7
    > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    > My copy of FireFox 2 was still there and still my default browser. Don't
    > Mozilla trust their own product???????
    >
    >
    >


    Firefox 2, yes, but Firefox 3 is still a developmental project not yet
    officially ready for prime time.

    --
    Ron K.
    Who is General Failure, and why is he searching my HDD?
    Kernel Restore reported BSOD use by Major Error to msg the enemy!

  3. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    "Ron K." wrote in message
    newsJSdnQ5xOJV9lZPVnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@mozilla.org...
    > Firefox 2, yes, but Firefox 3 is still a developmental project not yet
    > officially ready for prime time.


    I have Firefox 3 on a test computer but I won't run it on my main computer
    until it supports the Google toolbar.


  4. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    On 22-04-2008 16:55 CET, Chris Dart composed this enchanting statement:
    > I have just unloaded Firefox 3 beta because it kept interfering with FireFox
    > 2, particularly in plugins.
    >
    > Having deleted FireFox 3 beta (note 3!) I received a questionnaire on why I
    > had deleted it. I answered form the standpoint of deleting 3 but keeping 2,
    > I only realised that the questionnaire was for FireFox 2 when I sent it off.
    >
    > I was also VERY surprised that the questionnaire was handled by IE 7
    > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    > My copy of FireFox 2 was still there and still my default browser. Don't
    > Mozilla trust their own product???????
    >

    Have you read the applicable release notes before installing this
    Firefox 3 beta? If not, wait for general availability of Firefox 3.

    So, you have read them: now, do you understand the consequences of
    using the Firefox version 2 profile?

    Well, I hope you did and that you saved your Firefox version 2 profile
    before running Firefox 3 beta for the first time.

    Good luck!

    --
    Kind regards,
    Melchert

    (MacOS 10.3.9 / Firefox 2.0, Thunderbird 2.0)

  5. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:55:27 +0200
    "Chris Dart" wrote:

    > I have just unloaded Firefox 3 beta because it kept interfering with
    > FireFox 2, particularly in plugins.


    They can't share the same profile. If you want to run Fx 2 as well as
    do beta-testing for Fx 3, you need to create a new profile for Fx 3 and
    then be careful about which profile you are using whenever you run Fx 3.

    > Having deleted FireFox 3 beta (note 3!) I received a questionnaire on
    > why I had deleted it. I answered form the standpoint of deleting 3
    > but keeping 2, I only realised that the questionnaire was for FireFox
    > 2 when I sent it off.


    I didn't know there was such a survey -- it popped up at the
    uninstaller run?

    > I was also VERY surprised that the questionnaire was handled by IE 7
    > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    > My copy of FireFox 2 was still there and still my default browser.
    > Don't Mozilla trust their own product???????


    It makes /some/ since that it would use IE7, since it thought you
    didn't have Fx at all any more.

  6. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    On 4/22/2008 5:34 PM, Q wrote:

    > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:55:27 +0200
    > "Chris Dart" wrote:
    >
    >> I have just unloaded Firefox 3 beta because it kept interfering with
    >> FireFox 2, particularly in plugins.

    >
    > They can't share the same profile. If you want to run Fx 2 as well as
    > do beta-testing for Fx 3, you need to create a new profile for Fx 3 and
    > then be careful about which profile you are using whenever you run Fx 3.
    >
    >> Having deleted FireFox 3 beta (note 3!) I received a questionnaire on
    >> why I had deleted it. I answered form the standpoint of deleting 3
    >> but keeping 2, I only realised that the questionnaire was for FireFox
    >> 2 when I sent it off.

    >
    > I didn't know there was such a survey -- it popped up at the
    > uninstaller run?


    Yes, that is where you see a link to it.

    --
    Best regards
    Gord McFee

  7. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    Mickey Segal wrote:
    > "Ron K." wrote in message
    > newsJSdnQ5xOJV9lZPVnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@mozilla.org...
    >> Firefox 2, yes, but Firefox 3 is still a developmental project not yet
    >> officially ready for prime time.

    >
    > I have Firefox 3 on a test computer but I won't run it on my main
    > computer until it supports the Google toolbar.
    >

    I think you have that backwards. It is NOT the responsibility of FF3 to
    support anything produced by Google, but rather the other way around.


    --
    Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

  8. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    On 23.04.2008 10:30, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Ron Hunter to
    generate the following:? :
    > Mickey Segal wrote:
    >
    >> "Ron K." wrote in message
    >> newsJSdnQ5xOJV9lZPVnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@mozilla.org...
    >>
    >>> Firefox 2, yes, but Firefox 3 is still a developmental project not yet
    >>> officially ready for prime time.
    >>>

    >> I have Firefox 3 on a test computer but I won't run it on my main
    >> computer until it supports the Google toolbar.
    >>
    >>

    > I think you have that backwards. It is NOT the responsibility of FF3 to
    > support anything produced by Google, but rather the other way around.
    >
    >
    >


    not only that, Ron.... from what one gets to read on these groups,
    Google Toolbar is a "step back" in its own right :-(

    reg

  9. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    "Ron Hunter" wrote in message
    news:Rf6dnYmQeo8xbpPVnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
    > I think you have that backwards. It is NOT the responsibility of FF3 to
    > support anything produced by Google, but rather the other way around.


    I don't know if the changes needed to make the Google Toolbar work on FF3
    are ones for Google to make or Firefox to make. But I switched to Firefox
    in the first place because Microsoft makes it difficult to use the Google
    Toolbar (you need to add an entire toolbar row to use it and you can't
    remove Microft's inferior search component) and will not use FF3 routinely
    until the Google toolbar works.

    If Firefox can't convince Google to make its toolbar work on FF3, they
    should implement the "Word find" feature themselves; that is all I need
    beyond basic searching in the Google toolbar. Microsoft tried to do a Word
    Find equivalent in IE7 but they did a terrible job that requires multiple
    clicks and considers all search terms to be a single quote.




  10. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    On 23/04/2008 15:14, Mickey Segal wrote:
    > "Ron Hunter" wrote in message
    > news:Rf6dnYmQeo8xbpPVnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
    >> I think you have that backwards. It is NOT the responsibility of FF3
    >> to support anything produced by Google, but rather the other way around.

    >
    > I don't know if the changes needed to make the Google Toolbar work on
    > FF3 are ones for Google to make or Firefox to make. But I switched to
    > Firefox in the first place because Microsoft makes it difficult to use
    > the Google Toolbar (you need to add an entire toolbar row to use it and
    > you can't remove Microft's inferior search component) and will not use
    > FF3 routinely until the Google toolbar works.
    >
    > If Firefox can't convince Google to make its toolbar work on FF3, they
    > should implement the "Word find" feature themselves; that is all I need
    > beyond basic searching in the Google toolbar. Microsoft tried to do a
    > Word Find equivalent in IE7 but they did a terrible job that requires
    > multiple clicks and considers all search terms to be a single quote.
    >


    They already have Ctrl F in Firefox to find a word, why add something else?

    --
    wtwjgc (Joe)
    http://www.localcooling.com/ref/?type=link&id=26575

  11. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    "Mickey Segal" ...
    > If Firefox can't convince Google to make its toolbar work on FF3, they
    > should implement the "Word find" feature themselves; that is all I need
    > beyond basic searching in the Google toolbar.


    I can't see why anyone would install Google toolbar.

    As far as finding words (actually strings) within a document goes, the best 'extension'
    is Opera (the browser) which you can invoke using the "Launchy"
    extension. The "Highlight All" extension adds function to the Find bar to highlight all
    occurrences of a string.

    HighlightAll 1.3.1, by Jerome Goudey
    Automatically highlight and count all occurrences of the selected text with just a click
    (substitute to Ctrl-F with highlight option). Another click in the document removes highlighting.
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4240

    I don't see a count anywhere, but it does highlight separate from Find. Opera automatically
    highlights all when you use Find, and positions Find where you can see your found string
    within context of surrounding material.

    In order to install if you don't see green install button, you would have to turn off
    compatibility testing, and would have to select from "See All Versions" which
    appears just below the Long Description, which will let you download all known
    versions of an add-on independent of the version of your browser.
    http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firef...bilitydisabled

    --
    HTH,
    David McRitchie, extensions I use are briefly documented on my site
    Firefox Custom: http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/firefox.htm



  12. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    On 4/23/2008 9:14 AM, Mickey Segal wrote:
    > "Ron Hunter" wrote in message
    > news:Rf6dnYmQeo8xbpPVnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
    >> I think you have that backwards. It is NOT the responsibility of FF3
    >> to support anything produced by Google, but rather the other way around.

    >
    > I don't know if the changes needed to make the Google Toolbar work on
    > FF3 are ones for Google to make or Firefox to make. But I switched to
    > Firefox in the first place because Microsoft makes it difficult to use
    > the Google Toolbar (you need to add an entire toolbar row to use it and
    > you can't remove Microft's inferior search component) and will not use
    > FF3 routinely until the Google toolbar works.
    >
    > If Firefox can't convince Google to make its toolbar work on FF3, they
    > should implement the "Word find" feature themselves; that is all I need
    > beyond basic searching in the Google toolbar. Microsoft tried to do a
    > Word Find equivalent in IE7 but they did a terrible job that requires
    > multiple clicks and considers all search terms to be a single quote.
    >
    >
    >

    I find words all the time using the feature built into Firefox, both
    versions 2 and 3. In Options > Advanced >Accessibility, just turn on
    "search for words when I start typing". You can also use Ctrl-F to
    search within a webpage.

  13. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    On 4/22/2008 4:34 PM, Q wrote:
    > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:55:27 +0200
    > "Chris Dart" wrote:
    >
    >> I have just unloaded Firefox 3 beta because it kept interfering with
    >> FireFox 2, particularly in plugins.

    >
    > They can't share the same profile. If you want to run Fx 2 as well as
    > do beta-testing for Fx 3, you need to create a new profile for Fx 3 and
    > then be careful about which profile you are using whenever you run Fx 3.
    >
    >> Having deleted FireFox 3 beta (note 3!) I received a questionnaire on
    >> why I had deleted it. I answered form the standpoint of deleting 3
    >> but keeping 2, I only realised that the questionnaire was for FireFox
    >> 2 when I sent it off.

    >
    > I didn't know there was such a survey -- it popped up at the
    > uninstaller run?
    >
    >> I was also VERY surprised that the questionnaire was handled by IE 7
    >> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>
    >> My copy of FireFox 2 was still there and still my default browser.
    >> Don't Mozilla trust their own product???????

    >
    > It makes /some/ since that it would use IE7, since it thought you
    > didn't have Fx at all any more.


    I've been using the same profile for v2 and v3 without any problem.
    Maybe I'm living dangerously, but it sure is convenient. Version 3 has
    been working very well for me. I do miss some of the add-ons, but
    ForecastFox works and I still have ReminderFox working in Thunderbird
    and those are the two that are important to me.

    I don't run both versions at the same time of course.

    The only place I've noticed an incompatibility between version 2 and 3
    is in bookmarks and that isn't a problem either. Bookmarks that I've
    added in version 3 don't show up if I run version 2, but all of the
    version 2 bookmarks do show in version 3.

    Bernie

  14. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    "Bernie" wrote in message news:Pd-dnVf5X8SGU5LVnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@mozilla.org...
    > On 4/22/2008 4:34 PM, Q wrote:
    >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:55:27 +0200
    >> "Chris Dart" wrote:
    >>
    >>> I have just unloaded Firefox 3 beta because it kept interfering with
    >>> FireFox 2, particularly in plugins.

    >>
    >> They can't share the same profile. If you want to run Fx 2 as well as
    >> do beta-testing for Fx 3, you need to create a new profile for Fx 3 and
    >> then be careful about which profile you are using whenever you run Fx 3.
    >>
    >>> Having deleted FireFox 3 beta (note 3!) I received a questionnaire on
    >>> why I had deleted it. I answered form the standpoint of deleting 3
    >>> but keeping 2, I only realised that the questionnaire was for FireFox
    >>> 2 when I sent it off.

    >>
    >> I didn't know there was such a survey -- it popped up at the
    >> uninstaller run?
    >>
    >>> I was also VERY surprised that the questionnaire was handled by IE 7 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>>
    >>> My copy of FireFox 2 was still there and still my default browser.
    >>> Don't Mozilla trust their own product???????

    >>
    >> It makes /some/ since that it would use IE7, since it thought you
    >> didn't have Fx at all any more.

    >
    > I've been using the same profile for v2 and v3 without any problem. Maybe I'm living dangerously, but it sure is convenient.
    > Version 3 has been working very well for me. I do miss some of the add-ons, but ForecastFox works and I still have ReminderFox
    > working in Thunderbird and those are the two that are important to me.
    >
    > I don't run both versions at the same time of course.
    >
    > The only place I've noticed an incompatibility between version 2 and 3 is in bookmarks and that isn't a problem either. Bookmarks
    > that I've added in version 3 don't show up if I run version 2, but all of the version 2 bookmarks do show in version 3.
    >
    > Bernie


    You might want to read a bug report so that you will have an idea of
    what you are doing, and be forewarned that FF3 is beta and final
    delivery could be using different configuration settings that you
    would not be using. Basically for now bookmarks.html is
    used by FF2 and was used by FF3 only to start out the sqlite bookmarks
    data base. When FF2 is done bookmarks.html will be updated.
    When FF3 is done bookmarks.postplaces.html will be updated.
    You have a folder of backups for bookmarks created one per day.
    Since you are using two different bookmark files you could end up
    with bookmarks from one or the other, it is even remotely possible
    that all five could be from the same version if you use one version
    each morning and a different FF version each afternoon.

    Using the same profile, you should be aware that some addons
    versions run on FF2 but not on FF3 and have a counterpart
    with same name that runs on FF3 but not on FF2, so you are
    threading on dangerous soil. The default theme is different,
    wonder what you are seeing on each.

    Bug 381216 - prevent bookmarks dataloss when a user goes from Firefox 2, Firefox 3 beta, Firefox 2, and then back to Firefox 3 [was:
    After initial import, minefield with bookmarks-on-places throws out Firefox 2 bookmarks changes]
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=381216


    --
    HTH,
    David McRitchie, extensions I use are briefly documented on my site
    Firefox Custom: http://www.mvps.org/dmcritchie/firefox/firefox.htm



  15. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2


    "Mickey Segal" wrote in message
    news:KfWdnWEpr_qjjJPVnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
    > "Ron K." wrote in message
    > newsJSdnQ5xOJV9lZPVnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@mozilla.org...
    >> Firefox 2, yes, but Firefox 3 is still a developmental project not yet
    >> officially ready for prime time.

    >
    > I have Firefox 3 on a test computer but I won't run it on my main computer
    > until it supports the Google toolbar.


    I keep Google software off my computer.

    But I do need Flashblock!




  16. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    * Mickey Segal wrote, On 4/23/2008 07:14:
    > "Ron Hunter" wrote in message
    > news:Rf6dnYmQeo8xbpPVnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
    >> I think you have that backwards. It is NOT the responsibility of FF3
    >> to support anything produced by Google, but rather the other way around.

    >
    > I don't know if the changes needed to make the Google Toolbar work on
    > FF3 are ones for Google to make or Firefox to make. But I switched to
    > Firefox in the first place because Microsoft makes it difficult to use
    > the Google Toolbar (you need to add an entire toolbar row to use it and
    > you can't remove Microft's inferior search component) and will not use
    > FF3 routinely until the Google toolbar works.
    >
    > If Firefox can't convince Google to make its toolbar work on FF3, they
    > should implement the "Word find" feature themselves; that is all I need
    > beyond basic searching in the Google toolbar. Microsoft tried to do a
    > Word Find equivalent in IE7 but they did a terrible job that requires
    > multiple clicks and considers all search terms to be a single quote.
    >
    >
    >


    Not having used FF3 or Google Toolbar I may be out of bounds. But what
    is needed other than typing your search into the location field in FF
    2.x which will turn up with Google's reply?

    (Furthermore I have the extension Customize Google that provides
    everything I need.)
    Miles

  17. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    Mickey Segal wrote:
    > "Ron Hunter" wrote in message
    > news:Rf6dnYmQeo8xbpPVnZ2dnUVZ_tDinZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
    >> I think you have that backwards. It is NOT the responsibility of FF3
    >> to support anything produced by Google, but rather the other way around.

    >
    > I don't know if the changes needed to make the Google Toolbar work on
    > FF3 are ones for Google to make or Firefox to make. But I switched to
    > Firefox in the first place because Microsoft makes it difficult to use
    > the Google Toolbar (you need to add an entire toolbar row to use it and
    > you can't remove Microft's inferior search component) and will not use
    > FF3 routinely until the Google toolbar works.
    >
    > If Firefox can't convince Google to make its toolbar work on FF3, they
    > should implement the "Word find" feature themselves; that is all I need
    > beyond basic searching in the Google toolbar. Microsoft tried to do a
    > Word Find equivalent in IE7 but they did a terrible job that requires
    > multiple clicks and considers all search terms to be a single quote.
    >
    >
    >

    FF2 (and FF3) both have a perfectly adequate word find function without
    the need to add a third party toolbar.


    --
    Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

  18. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    Paul Pedersen wrote:
    > "Mickey Segal" wrote in message
    > news:KfWdnWEpr_qjjJPVnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
    >> "Ron K." wrote in message
    >> newsJSdnQ5xOJV9lZPVnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@mozilla.org...
    >>> Firefox 2, yes, but Firefox 3 is still a developmental project not yet
    >>> officially ready for prime time.

    >> I have Firefox 3 on a test computer but I won't run it on my main computer
    >> until it supports the Google toolbar.

    >
    > I keep Google software off my computer.
    >
    > But I do need Flashblock!
    >
    >
    >

    Flashblock is available for FF3b5.


    --
    Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

  19. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2


    "Ron Hunter" wrote in message
    > Flashblock is available for FF3b5.


    How's the beta? Usable yet? Compatible with 2.x extentions?



  20. Re: fireFox3 v FireFox 2

    "wtwjgc" wrote in message
    news:Ha-dnSByt_xl1ZLVnZ2dnUVZ_qvinZ2d@mozilla.org...
    > They already have Ctrl F in Firefox to find a word, why add something
    > else?


    Typically I've searched for a page with Google and want to see where on the
    page the search terms appear. I don't want to re-type the text. There is a
    certain logic for integrating this with Google or other search providers.


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