Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
> I'm taking the plunge and have downloaded the alpha of the new FF3.
>
> I have already installed it, but Not Opened it. I want to open in
> Profile Manager and create a new profile. There are too many changes to
> risk screwing up my FF2 profile.
>
> OR will it create a new profile and convert information from the FF2
> profile.

No, profiles are stored in the same location, so you will have to open
PM and create a new profile. To do so you need to run a command in
Terminal:

In Finder, Go>>Utilities

Select Terminal

Type in or copy/paste the following:

/Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager

Note that if you installed Firefox somewhere other then Applications,
the path must reflect that. Substitute Gran Paradiso.app for
Firefox.app. I think the executable is still called firefox, but I can
check on that whe I get home.

Lee

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Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>> I'm taking the plunge and have downloaded the alpha of the new FF3.
>>
>> I have already installed it, but Not Opened it. I want to open in
>> Profile Manager and create a new profile. There are too many changes to
>> risk screwing up my FF2 profile.
>>
>> OR will it create a new profile and convert information from the FF2
>> profile.
>
> No, profiles are stored in the same location, so you will have to open
> PM and create a new profile. To do so you need to run a command in
> Terminal:
>
> In Finder, Go>>Utilities
>
> Select Terminal
>
> Type in or copy/paste the following:
>
> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>
> Note that if you installed Firefox somewhere other then Applications,
> the path must reflect that. Substitute Gran Paradiso.app for
> Firefox.app. I think the executable is still called firefox, but I can
> check on that whe I get home.
>
> Lee
>
Yes, the executable is called firefox. One correction though, its
GranParadiso.app, not Gran Paradiso.app.. So the command would be:

/Applications/GranParadiso.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager

If you did not install in Applications amend the path accordingly.

Actually, if you still have 2.0 installed, the original command would
have worked, as the two share the same profiles.

Make sure to uncheck the box for Don't ask at startup, so you can select
the appropriate profile.

Lee

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Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>> I'm taking the plunge and have downloaded the alpha of the new FF3.
>>>
>>> I have already installed it, but Not Opened it. I want to open in
>>> Profile Manager and create a new profile. There are too many changes
>>> to risk screwing up my FF2 profile.
>>>
>>> OR will it create a new profile and convert information from the FF2
>>> profile.
>>
>> No, profiles are stored in the same location, so you will have to open
>> PM and create a new profile. To do so you need to run a command in
>> Terminal:
>>
>> In Finder, Go>>Utilities
>>
>> Select Terminal
>>
>> Type in or copy/paste the following:
>>
>> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>
>> Note that if you installed Firefox somewhere other then Applications,
>> the path must reflect that. Substitute Gran Paradiso.app for
>> Firefox.app. I think the executable is still called firefox, but I
>> can check on that whe I get home.
>>
>> Lee
>>
> Yes, the executable is called firefox. One correction though, its
> GranParadiso.app, not Gran Paradiso.app.. So the command would be:
>
> /Applications/GranParadiso.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>
> If you did not install in Applications amend the path accordingly.
>
> Actually, if you still have 2.0 installed, the original command would
> have worked, as the two share the same profiles.
>
> Make sure to uncheck the box for Don't ask at startup, so you can select
> the appropriate profile.
>
> Lee
>
Thanks Lee,

I want to see what all the hoopla is about. Reading all the bugs in Mac
version Its going to be interesting sounds more like it won't work than
it will.

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Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>> I'm taking the plunge and have downloaded the alpha of the new FF3.
>>>>
>>>> I have already installed it, but Not Opened it. I want to open in
>>>> Profile Manager and create a new profile. There are too many changes
>>>> to risk screwing up my FF2 profile.
>>>>
>>>> OR will it create a new profile and convert information from the FF2
>>>> profile.
>>>
>>> No, profiles are stored in the same location, so you will have to
>>> open PM and create a new profile. To do so you need to run a command
>>> in Terminal:
>>>
>>> In Finder, Go>>Utilities
>>>
>>> Select Terminal
>>>
>>> Type in or copy/paste the following:
>>>
>>> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>
>>> Note that if you installed Firefox somewhere other then Applications,
>>> the path must reflect that. Substitute Gran Paradiso.app for
>>> Firefox.app. I think the executable is still called firefox, but I
>>> can check on that whe I get home.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>> Yes, the executable is called firefox. One correction though, its
>> GranParadiso.app, not Gran Paradiso.app.. So the command would be:
>>
>> /Applications/GranParadiso.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>
>> If you did not install in Applications amend the path accordingly.
>>
>> Actually, if you still have 2.0 installed, the original command would
>> have worked, as the two share the same profiles.
>>
>> Make sure to uncheck the box for Don't ask at startup, so you can
>> select the appropriate profile.
>>
>> Lee
>>
> Thanks Lee,
>
> I want to see what all the hoopla is about. Reading all the bugs in Mac
> version Its going to be interesting sounds more like it won't work than
> it will.
>

Its too early for hoopla, its only an alpha. I'm running it right now
on OPS 10.4.8, with no extensions. Its working fine, its going to web
sites, doing what you want a browser to do.

We;ll see more feature changes in the beta versions I am sure.

Lee

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Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>> I'm taking the plunge and have downloaded the alpha of the new FF3.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have already installed it, but Not Opened it. I want to open in
>>>>> Profile Manager and create a new profile. There are too many
>>>>> changes to risk screwing up my FF2 profile.
>>>>>
>>>>> OR will it create a new profile and convert information from the
>>>>> FF2 profile.
>>>>
>>>> No, profiles are stored in the same location, so you will have to
>>>> open PM and create a new profile. To do so you need to run a
>>>> command in Terminal:
>>>>
>>>> In Finder, Go>>Utilities
>>>>
>>>> Select Terminal
>>>>
>>>> Type in or copy/paste the following:
>>>>
>>>> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>>
>>>> Note that if you installed Firefox somewhere other then
>>>> Applications, the path must reflect that. Substitute Gran
>>>> Paradiso.app for Firefox.app. I think the executable is still
>>>> called firefox, but I can check on that whe I get home.
>>>>
>>>> Lee
>>>>
>>> Yes, the executable is called firefox. One correction though, its
>>> GranParadiso.app, not Gran Paradiso.app.. So the command would be:
>>>
>>> /Applications/GranParadiso.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>
>>> If you did not install in Applications amend the path accordingly.
>>>
>>> Actually, if you still have 2.0 installed, the original command would
>>> have worked, as the two share the same profiles.
>>>
>>> Make sure to uncheck the box for Don't ask at startup, so you can
>>> select the appropriate profile.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>> Thanks Lee,
>>
>> I want to see what all the hoopla is about. Reading all the bugs in
>> Mac version Its going to be interesting sounds more like it won't work
>> than it will.
>>
>
> Its too early for hoopla, its only an alpha. I'm running it right now
> on OPS 10.4.8, with no extensions. Its working fine, its going to web
> sites, doing what you want a browser to do.
>
> We;ll see more feature changes in the beta versions I am sure.
>
> Lee
>
On 10.4.8. It was a PIA to setup
First the Profile Manager settings would not stick. Because Both Firefox
and GranParadiso Profiles were set up in:
Username > Library > Application Support > Firefox

And if you set to default to whichever. It would open the opposite the
next time.

I finally cured That problem by setting so Profile Manager window opens
and you select desired profile.

On my Desktop (OSX.3.9) I don't have that problem Because FireFox
profile is setup

Username > Library > Firefox

However; There is a problem with the little icon beside the URL's

I have 1-1/2 icons.

On the laptop with X.4.8 I don't have that problem.

It is faster than FF2 Though.

Did kill all my Extensions. non are compatible.

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Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>>> I'm taking the plunge and have downloaded the alpha of the new FF3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have already installed it, but Not Opened it. I want to open in
>>>>>> Profile Manager and create a new profile. There are too many
>>>>>> changes to risk screwing up my FF2 profile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OR will it create a new profile and convert information from the
>>>>>> FF2 profile.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, profiles are stored in the same location, so you will have to
>>>>> open PM and create a new profile. To do so you need to run a
>>>>> command in Terminal:
>>>>>
>>>>> In Finder, Go>>Utilities
>>>>>
>>>>> Select Terminal
>>>>>
>>>>> Type in or copy/paste the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that if you installed Firefox somewhere other then
>>>>> Applications, the path must reflect that. Substitute Gran
>>>>> Paradiso.app for Firefox.app. I think the executable is still
>>>>> called firefox, but I can check on that whe I get home.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lee
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, the executable is called firefox. One correction though, its
>>>> GranParadiso.app, not Gran Paradiso.app.. So the command would be:
>>>>
>>>> /Applications/GranParadiso.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>>
>>>> If you did not install in Applications amend the path accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, if you still have 2.0 installed, the original command
>>>> would have worked, as the two share the same profiles.
>>>>
>>>> Make sure to uncheck the box for Don't ask at startup, so you can
>>>> select the appropriate profile.
>>>>
>>>> Lee
>>>>
>>> Thanks Lee,
>>>
>>> I want to see what all the hoopla is about. Reading all the bugs in
>>> Mac version Its going to be interesting sounds more like it won't
>>> work than it will.
>>>
>>
>> Its too early for hoopla, its only an alpha. I'm running it right now
>> on OPS 10.4.8, with no extensions. Its working fine, its going to web
>> sites, doing what you want a browser to do.
>>
>> We;ll see more feature changes in the beta versions I am sure.
>>
>> Lee
>>
> On 10.4.8. It was a PIA to setup
> First the Profile Manager settings would not stick. Because Both Firefox
> and GranParadiso Profiles were set up in:
> Username > Library > Application Support > Firefox
>
> And if you set to default to whichever. It would open the opposite the
> next time.
>
> I finally cured That problem by setting so Profile Manager window opens
> and you select desired profile.
>
> On my Desktop (OSX.3.9) I don't have that problem Because FireFox
> profile is setup
>
> Username > Library > Firefox
>
> However; There is a problem with the little icon beside the URL's
>
> I have 1-1/2 icons.
>
> On the laptop with X.4.8 I don't have that problem.
>
> It is faster than FF2 Though.
>
> Did kill all my Extensions. non are compatible.
>
I am a Retired Electronics Technician; and the Reference to the Favicon
Being 1-1/2 Actually is more like an out of phase signal.
the universal Favicon is a Stylized circle.


On OSX.3.9 the left side of the circle is clipped then there is a space,
then left portion of the circle clipped appears to the right.

On my PowerBook 17" 1440x900 resolution.

on my Tower Unit G4-500 I use a 17"x17" Monitor (LCD) made by
Mitsubishi attached through a ATI Rage Pro 6000 DVI video card. its
resolution is 104x768

This is on FF3

This problem doesn't appear on my 17" Laptop.


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Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm taking the plunge and have downloaded the alpha of the new FF3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have already installed it, but Not Opened it. I want to open in
>>>>>>> Profile Manager and create a new profile. There are too many
>>>>>>> changes to risk screwing up my FF2 profile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OR will it create a new profile and convert information from the
>>>>>>> FF2 profile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, profiles are stored in the same location, so you will have to
>>>>>> open PM and create a new profile. To do so you need to run a
>>>>>> command in Terminal:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Finder, Go>>Utilities
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Select Terminal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Type in or copy/paste the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that if you installed Firefox somewhere other then
>>>>>> Applications, the path must reflect that. Substitute Gran
>>>>>> Paradiso.app for Firefox.app. I think the executable is still
>>>>>> called firefox, but I can check on that whe I get home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the executable is called firefox. One correction though, its
>>>>> GranParadiso.app, not Gran Paradiso.app.. So the command would be:
>>>>>
>>>>> /Applications/GranParadiso.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>>>
>>>>> If you did not install in Applications amend the path accordingly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, if you still have 2.0 installed, the original command
>>>>> would have worked, as the two share the same profiles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Make sure to uncheck the box for Don't ask at startup, so you can
>>>>> select the appropriate profile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lee
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks Lee,
>>>>
>>>> I want to see what all the hoopla is about. Reading all the bugs in
>>>> Mac version Its going to be interesting sounds more like it won't
>>>> work than it will.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Its too early for hoopla, its only an alpha. I'm running it right
>>> now on OPS 10.4.8, with no extensions. Its working fine, its going to
>>> web sites, doing what you want a browser to do.
>>>
>>> We;ll see more feature changes in the beta versions I am sure.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>> On 10.4.8. It was a PIA to setup
>> First the Profile Manager settings would not stick. Because Both
>> Firefox and GranParadiso Profiles were set up in:
>> Username > Library > Application Support > Firefox
>>
>> And if you set to default to whichever. It would open the opposite the
>> next time.
>>
>> I finally cured That problem by setting so Profile Manager window
>> opens and you select desired profile.
>>
>> On my Desktop (OSX.3.9) I don't have that problem Because FireFox
>> profile is setup
>>
>> Username > Library > Firefox
>>
>> However; There is a problem with the little icon beside the URL's
>>
>> I have 1-1/2 icons.
>>
>> On the laptop with X.4.8 I don't have that problem.
>>
>> It is faster than FF2 Though.
>>
>> Did kill all my Extensions. non are compatible.
>>
> I am a Retired Electronics Technician; and the Reference to the Favicon
> Being 1-1/2 Actually is more like an out of phase signal.
> the universal Favicon is a Stylized circle.
>
>
> On OSX.3.9 the left side of the circle is clipped then there is a space,
> then left portion of the circle clipped appears to the right.
>
> On my PowerBook 17" 1440x900 resolution.
>
> on my Tower Unit G4-500 I use a 17"x17" Monitor (LCD) made by
> Mitsubishi attached through a ATI Rage Pro 6000 DVI video card. its
> resolution is 104x768
>
> This is on FF3
>
> This problem doesn't appear on my 17" Laptop.
>
>
Never mind. I am discontinuing use.

Just opening FF3 changed all the HTML icon on my Laptop to the new FF3
icon.

Just this one change along changed all the files in my Website Directory
for my Organization. This was caused when I ran Interarchy's Mirror
download to update all the html files. Several Hundred. I shouldn't
have had more than 2 or 3.

So its causing more problems than its worth. I might go to it when
official but not before.

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On 2006-12-16 15:13 (-0700 UTC), Phillip Jones, CET wrote:

> Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm taking the plunge and have downloaded the alpha of the new FF3.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have already installed it, but Not Opened it. I want to open
>>>>>>>> in Profile Manager and create a new profile. There are too many
>>>>>>>> changes to risk screwing up my FF2 profile.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OR will it create a new profile and convert information from the
>>>>>>>> FF2 profile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, profiles are stored in the same location, so you will have to
>>>>>>> open PM and create a new profile. To do so you need to run a
>>>>>>> command in Terminal:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Finder, Go>>Utilities
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Select Terminal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Type in or copy/paste the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note that if you installed Firefox somewhere other then
>>>>>>> Applications, the path must reflect that. Substitute Gran
>>>>>>> Paradiso.app for Firefox.app. I think the executable is still
>>>>>>> called firefox, but I can check on that whe I get home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the executable is called firefox. One correction though, its
>>>>>> GranParadiso.app, not Gran Paradiso.app.. So the command would be:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Applications/GranParadiso.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you did not install in Applications amend the path accordingly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, if you still have 2.0 installed, the original command
>>>>>> would have worked, as the two share the same profiles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Make sure to uncheck the box for Don't ask at startup, so you can
>>>>>> select the appropriate profile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Lee,
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to see what all the hoopla is about. Reading all the bugs in
>>>>> Mac version Its going to be interesting sounds more like it won't
>>>>> work than it will.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Its too early for hoopla, its only an alpha. I'm running it right
>>>> now on OPS 10.4.8, with no extensions. Its working fine, its going
>>>> to web sites, doing what you want a browser to do.
>>>>
>>>> We;ll see more feature changes in the beta versions I am sure.
>>>>
>>>> Lee
>>>>
>>> On 10.4.8. It was a PIA to setup
>>> First the Profile Manager settings would not stick. Because Both
>>> Firefox and GranParadiso Profiles were set up in:
>>> Username > Library > Application Support > Firefox
>>>
>>> And if you set to default to whichever. It would open the opposite
>>> the next time.
>>>
>>> I finally cured That problem by setting so Profile Manager window
>>> opens and you select desired profile.
>>>
>>> On my Desktop (OSX.3.9) I don't have that problem Because FireFox
>>> profile is setup
>>>
>>> Username > Library > Firefox
>>>
>>> However; There is a problem with the little icon beside the URL's
>>>
>>> I have 1-1/2 icons.
>>>
>>> On the laptop with X.4.8 I don't have that problem.
>>>
>>> It is faster than FF2 Though.
>>>
>>> Did kill all my Extensions. non are compatible.
>>>
>> I am a Retired Electronics Technician; and the Reference to the
>> Favicon Being 1-1/2 Actually is more like an out of phase signal.
>> the universal Favicon is a Stylized circle.
>>
>>
>> On OSX.3.9 the left side of the circle is clipped then there is a
>> space, then left portion of the circle clipped appears to the right.
>>
>> On my PowerBook 17" 1440x900 resolution.
>>
>> on my Tower Unit G4-500 I use a 17"x17" Monitor (LCD) made by
>> Mitsubishi attached through a ATI Rage Pro 6000 DVI video card. its
>> resolution is 104x768
>>
>> This is on FF3
>>
>> This problem doesn't appear on my 17" Laptop.
>>
>>
> Never mind. I am discontinuing use.
>
> Just opening FF3 changed all the HTML icon on my Laptop to the new FF3
> icon.
>
> Just this one change along changed all the files in my Website Directory
> for my Organization. This was caused when I ran Interarchy's Mirror
> download to update all the html files. Several Hundred. I shouldn't
> have had more than 2 or 3.
>
> So its causing more problems than its worth. I might go to it when
> official but not before.

I realise that you're on OS X and I'm on SUSE 10.1, but I've done pretty
much the same under Windows, and I find it remarkable that I can run the
official releases of Fx and Tb as well as 3.0a1 nightlies of both --
up-dated pretty much daily (at least under Linux) without a hitch, and yet
you're having so many problems under OS X. . . .

/b.

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Phillip Jones, CET wrote:

> Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
/snip/

I'm not sure why you are having such problems.

I have one machine on 10.3.9, and two on 10.4.8. Both place profiles in:

Username>>Library>>Application Support>>Firefox

Did you perhaps first set up FF in a version earlier then Panther?

Where did you install GranParadiso? If you installed it in a user lever
folder, it would become the default over the FF installed in
Applications, which would account for the switch in icons.

If you are going to run multiple version of FF on OSX, it is essential
that each have its own profile, and that Profile Manager open when each
version is opened, so that the correct profile is used. Remember I said
do not check the box for don't ask at startup? If you do not, the last
opened profile will open, regardless of which version is selected.

It will kill your extensions, of course, Thats a hazard of testing
builds. I now test these builds in a profile without extensions. The
point is to see how the new version will work out of the box, Extensions
come later.

Lee

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Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm taking the plunge and have downloaded the alpha of the new FF3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have already installed it, but Not Opened it. I want to open in
>>>>>>> Profile Manager and create a new profile. There are too many
>>>>>>> changes to risk screwing up my FF2 profile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OR will it create a new profile and convert information from the
>>>>>>> FF2 profile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, profiles are stored in the same location, so you will have to
>>>>>> open PM and create a new profile. To do so you need to run a
>>>>>> command in Terminal:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Finder, Go>>Utilities
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Select Terminal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Type in or copy/paste the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that if you installed Firefox somewhere other then
>>>>>> Applications, the path must reflect that. Substitute Gran
>>>>>> Paradiso.app for Firefox.app. I think the executable is still
>>>>>> called firefox, but I can check on that whe I get home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the executable is called firefox. One correction though, its
>>>>> GranParadiso.app, not Gran Paradiso.app.. So the command would be:
>>>>>
>>>>> /Applications/GranParadiso.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>>>
>>>>> If you did not install in Applications amend the path accordingly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, if you still have 2.0 installed, the original command
>>>>> would have worked, as the two share the same profiles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Make sure to uncheck the box for Don't ask at startup, so you can
>>>>> select the appropriate profile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lee
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks Lee,
>>>>
>>>> I want to see what all the hoopla is about. Reading all the bugs in
>>>> Mac version Its going to be interesting sounds more like it won't
>>>> work than it will.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Its too early for hoopla, its only an alpha. I'm running it right
>>> now on OPS 10.4.8, with no extensions. Its working fine, its going to
>>> web sites, doing what you want a browser to do.
>>>
>>> We;ll see more feature changes in the beta versions I am sure.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>> On 10.4.8. It was a PIA to setup
>> First the Profile Manager settings would not stick. Because Both
>> Firefox and GranParadiso Profiles were set up in:
>> Username > Library > Application Support > Firefox
>>
>> And if you set to default to whichever. It would open the opposite the
>> next time.
>>
>> I finally cured That problem by setting so Profile Manager window
>> opens and you select desired profile.
>>
>> On my Desktop (OSX.3.9) I don't have that problem Because FireFox
>> profile is setup
>>
>> Username > Library > Firefox
>>
>> However; There is a problem with the little icon beside the URL's
>>
>> I have 1-1/2 icons.
>>
>> On the laptop with X.4.8 I don't have that problem.
>>
>> It is faster than FF2 Though.
>>
>> Did kill all my Extensions. non are compatible.
>>
> I am a Retired Electronics Technician; and the Reference to the Favicon
> Being 1-1/2 Actually is more like an out of phase signal.
> the universal Favicon is a Stylized circle.
>
>
> On OSX.3.9 the left side of the circle is clipped then there is a space,
> then left portion of the circle clipped appears to the right.
>
> On my PowerBook 17" 1440x900 resolution.
>
> on my Tower Unit G4-500 I use a 17"x17" Monitor (LCD) made by
> Mitsubishi attached through a ATI Rage Pro 6000 DVI video card. its
> resolution is 104x768
>
> This is on FF3
>
> This problem doesn't appear on my 17" Laptop.
>
>
Sorry about that I typed 104 X 768 for resolution should have been 1024

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Brian Heinrich wrote:
> On 2006-12-16 15:13 (-0700 UTC), Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
>
>> Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm taking the plunge and have downloaded the alpha of the new
>>>>>>>>> FF3.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have already installed it, but Not Opened it. I want to open
>>>>>>>>> in Profile Manager and create a new profile. There are too many
>>>>>>>>> changes to risk screwing up my FF2 profile.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OR will it create a new profile and convert information from
>>>>>>>>> the FF2 profile.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, profiles are stored in the same location, so you will have
>>>>>>>> to open PM and create a new profile. To do so you need to run a
>>>>>>>> command in Terminal:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Finder, Go>>Utilities
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Select Terminal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Type in or copy/paste the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that if you installed Firefox somewhere other then
>>>>>>>> Applications, the path must reflect that. Substitute Gran
>>>>>>>> Paradiso.app for Firefox.app. I think the executable is still
>>>>>>>> called firefox, but I can check on that whe I get home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, the executable is called firefox. One correction though,
>>>>>>> its GranParadiso.app, not Gran Paradiso.app.. So the command
>>>>>>> would be:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Applications/GranParadiso.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox
>>>>>>> -ProfileManager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you did not install in Applications amend the path accordingly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, if you still have 2.0 installed, the original command
>>>>>>> would have worked, as the two share the same profiles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Make sure to uncheck the box for Don't ask at startup, so you can
>>>>>>> select the appropriate profile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Lee,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to see what all the hoopla is about. Reading all the bugs
>>>>>> in Mac version Its going to be interesting sounds more like it
>>>>>> won't work than it will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Its too early for hoopla, its only an alpha. I'm running it right
>>>>> now on OPS 10.4.8, with no extensions. Its working fine, its going
>>>>> to web sites, doing what you want a browser to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> We;ll see more feature changes in the beta versions I am sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lee
>>>>>
>>>> On 10.4.8. It was a PIA to setup
>>>> First the Profile Manager settings would not stick. Because Both
>>>> Firefox and GranParadiso Profiles were set up in:
>>>> Username > Library > Application Support > Firefox
>>>>
>>>> And if you set to default to whichever. It would open the opposite
>>>> the next time.
>>>>
>>>> I finally cured That problem by setting so Profile Manager window
>>>> opens and you select desired profile.
>>>>
>>>> On my Desktop (OSX.3.9) I don't have that problem Because FireFox
>>>> profile is setup
>>>>
>>>> Username > Library > Firefox
>>>>
>>>> However; There is a problem with the little icon beside the URL's
>>>>
>>>> I have 1-1/2 icons.
>>>>
>>>> On the laptop with X.4.8 I don't have that problem.
>>>>
>>>> It is faster than FF2 Though.
>>>>
>>>> Did kill all my Extensions. non are compatible.
>>>>
>>> I am a Retired Electronics Technician; and the Reference to the
>>> Favicon Being 1-1/2 Actually is more like an out of phase signal.
>>> the universal Favicon is a Stylized circle.
>>>
>>>
>>> On OSX.3.9 the left side of the circle is clipped then there is a
>>> space, then left portion of the circle clipped appears to the right.
>>>
>>> On my PowerBook 17" 1440x900 resolution.
>>>
>>> on my Tower Unit G4-500 I use a 17"x17" Monitor (LCD) made by
>>> Mitsubishi attached through a ATI Rage Pro 6000 DVI video card. its
>>> resolution is 104x768
>>>
>>> This is on FF3
>>>
>>> This problem doesn't appear on my 17" Laptop.
>>>
>>>
>> Never mind. I am discontinuing use.
>>
>> Just opening FF3 changed all the HTML icon on my Laptop to the new
>> FF3 icon.
>>
>> Just this one change along changed all the files in my Website
>> Directory for my Organization. This was caused when I ran Interarchy's
>> Mirror download to update all the html files. Several Hundred. I
>> shouldn't have had more than 2 or 3.
>>
>> So its causing more problems than its worth. I might go to it when
>> official but not before.
>
> I realise that you're on OS X and I'm on SUSE 10.1, but I've done pretty
> much the same under Windows, and I find it remarkable that I can run the
> official releases of Fx and Tb as well as 3.0a1 nightlies of both --
> up-dated pretty much daily (at least under Linux) without a hitch, and
> yet you're having so many problems under OS X. . . .
>
> /b.
>
Well you have to remember That as with most software developers, they
give MacOS only a cursory glance, where as with UNIX, Linux, and, of
course window are the bread and butter.

Where Mozilla may have 100 developers MacOS might have 1 for those 100.
Strange thing is except for the Mac Interface THe underneath is UNIX.

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Leonidas Jones wrote:
> Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
>
>> Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
> /snip/
>
> I'm not sure why you are having such problems.
>
> I have one machine on 10.3.9, and two on 10.4.8. Both place profiles in:
>
> Username>>Library>>Application Support>>Firefox
>
> Did you perhaps first set up FF in a version earlier then Panther?
>
> Where did you install GranParadiso? If you installed it in a user lever
> folder, it would become the default over the FF installed in
> Applications, which would account for the switch in icons.
>
> If you are going to run multiple version of FF on OSX, it is essential
> that each have its own profile, and that Profile Manager open when each
> version is opened, so that the correct profile is used. Remember I said
> do not check the box for don't ask at startup? If you do not, the last
> opened profile will open, regardless of which version is selected.
>
> It will kill your extensions, of course, Thats a hazard of testing
> builds. I now test these builds in a profile without extensions. The
> point is to see how the new version will work out of the box, Extensions
> come later.
>
> Lee
>
FireFox on the G4-500. (OSX.3.9) the profile is located in

USERNAME > Library > Firefox.

As per your instructions I used:

/Applications/GranParadiso.app/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager

This installed Profile in:

USERNAME > Library > Application Support > Firefox > Profile (salted name)

On this the only apparent problem is on the the universal Favicon.
-----------------------

On my PowerBook Laptop17"

I used command above in the Terminal.

Firefox was already installed in

USERNAME > Library > Applications Support > FireFox > "default"

I used GranParadiso as profile name for the GranParadiso install

It installed in:

USERNAME > Library > Applications Support > FireFox > "GranParadiso"

"" indicates profile name.

As soon as I opened GranParadiso, immediately all html, and html, shtml
file icons changed from FireFox, to GranParadiso. and for some reason
dates and Times were immediately change to the instance that
GranParadiso was opened the first time.

Because of this, when I update my Mirror download to my Association's
website. Re-downloaded all the files with changed dates and times.

I can't afford the time to do this, all the time. So I'll just
Discontinue use on my powerbook machine.

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Brian Heinrich wrote:
> On 2006-12-16 15:13 (-0700 UTC), Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
>
>> Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>>> Leonidas Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm taking the plunge and have downloaded the alpha of the new
>>>>>>>>> FF3.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have already installed it, but Not Opened it. I want to open
>>>>>>>>> in Profile Manager and create a new profile. There are too many
>>>>>>>>> changes to risk screwing up my FF2 profile.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OR will it create a new profile and convert information from
>>>>>>>>> the FF2 profile.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, profiles are stored in the same location, so you will have
>>>>>>>> to open PM and create a new profile. To do so you need to run a
>>>>>>>> command in Terminal:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Finder, Go>>Utilities
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Select Terminal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Type in or copy/paste the following:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that if you installed Firefox somewhere other then
>>>>>>>> Applications, the path must reflect that. Substitute Gran
>>>>>>>> Paradiso.app for Firefox.app. I think the executable is still
>>>>>>>> called firefox, but I can check on that whe I get home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, the executable is called firefox. One correction though,
>>>>>>> its GranParadiso.app, not Gran Paradiso.app.. So the command
>>>>>>> would be:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Applications/GranParadiso.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox
>>>>>>> -ProfileManager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you did not install in Applications amend the path accordingly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, if you still have 2.0 installed, the original command
>>>>>>> would have worked, as the two share the same profiles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Make sure to uncheck the box for Don't ask at startup, so you can
>>>>>>> select the appropriate profile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Lee,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to see what all the hoopla is about. Reading all the bugs
>>>>>> in Mac version Its going to be interesting sounds more like it
>>>>>> won't work than it will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Its too early for hoopla, its only an alpha. I'm running it right
>>>>> now on OPS 10.4.8, with no extensions. Its working fine, its going
>>>>> to web sites, doing what you want a browser to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> We;ll see more feature changes in the beta versions I am sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lee
>>>>>
>>>> On 10.4.8. It was a PIA to setup
>>>> First the Profile Manager settings would not stick. Because Both
>>>> Firefox and GranParadiso Profiles were set up in:
>>>> Username > Library > Application Support > Firefox
>>>>
>>>> And if you set to default to whichever. It would open the opposite
>>>> the next time.
>>>>
>>>> I finally cured That problem by setting so Profile Manager window
>>>> opens and you select desired profile.
>>>>
>>>> On my Desktop (OSX.3.9) I don't have that problem Because FireFox
>>>> profile is setup
>>>>
>>>> Username > Library > Firefox
>>>>
>>>> However; There is a problem with the little icon beside the URL's
>>>>
>>>> I have 1-1/2 icons.
>>>>
>>>> On the laptop with X.4.8 I don't have that problem.
>>>>
>>>> It is faster than FF2 Though.
>>>>
>>>> Did kill all my Extensions. non are compatible.
>>>>
>>> I am a Retired Electronics Technician; and the Reference to the
>>> Favicon Being 1-1/2 Actually is more like an out of phase signal.
>>> the universal Favicon is a Stylized circle.
>>>
>>>
>>> On OSX.3.9 the left side of the circle is clipped then there is a
>>> space, then left portion of the circle clipped appears to the right.
>>>
>>> On my PowerBook 17" 1440x900 resolution.
>>>
>>> on my Tower Unit G4-500 I use a 17"x17" Monitor (LCD) made by
>>> Mitsubishi attached through a ATI Rage Pro 6000 DVI video card. its
>>> resolution is 104x768
>>>
>>> This is on FF3
>>>
>>> This problem doesn't appear on my 17" Laptop.
>>>
>>>
>> Never mind. I am discontinuing use.
>>
>> Just opening FF3 changed all the HTML icon on my Laptop to the new
>> FF3 icon.
>>
>> Just this one change along changed all the files in my Website
>> Directory for my Organization. This was caused when I ran Interarchy's
>> Mirror download to update all the html files. Several Hundred. I
>> shouldn't have had more than 2 or 3.
>>
>> So its causing more problems than its worth. I might go to it when
>> official but not before.
>
> I realise that you're on OS X and I'm on SUSE 10.1, but I've done pretty
> much the same under Windows, and I find it remarkable that I can run the
> official releases of Fx and Tb as well as 3.0a1 nightlies of both --
> up-dated pretty much daily (at least under Linux) without a hitch, and
> yet you're having so many problems under OS X. . . .
>
> /b.
>

In addition to individual Troubles I have the following common problems:

every time I switch switch from on tab to another in the preferences, it
flickers and jumps like it doesn't quite know where to draw the item.

And even though I can go to customize for the menu and the menu items
appear nothing can be added or taken away. nor can anything be dragged
from one position to another.

The Favicon for Google Menu is so faint you almost can't tell what it is.

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On 2006-12-17 08:50 (-0700 UTC), Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:



>> I realise that you're on OS X and I'm on SUSE 10.1, but I've done
>> pretty much the same under Windows, and I find it remarkable that I
>> can run the official releases of Fx and Tb as well as 3.0a1 nightlies
>> of both -- up-dated pretty much daily (at least under Linux) without a
>> hitch, and yet you're having so many problems under OS X. . . .
>
> Well you have to remember That as with most software developers, they
> give MacOS only a cursory glance, where as with UNIX, Linux, and, of
> course window are the bread and butter.

The code is cross-platform and is then compiled for different platforms, so
there is little or no truth to your claim.

Indeed, David Hyatt (who I believe is still involved with the Mozilla
Project) worked (and may still work) for Apple and was involved in the
development of Safari.

The issue, then is either with OS X (which would surprise me) or in how you
tried to set things up.

> Where Mozilla may have 100 developers MacOS might have 1 for those 100.
> Strange thing is except for the Mac Interface THe underneath is UNIX.

Actually, FreeBSD.

/b.

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Brian Heinrich wrote:
> On 2006-12-17 08:50 (-0700 UTC), Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>
>
>
>>> I realise that you're on OS X and I'm on SUSE 10.1, but I've done
>>> pretty much the same under Windows, and I find it remarkable that I
>>> can run the official releases of Fx and Tb as well as 3.0a1 nightlies
>>> of both -- up-dated pretty much daily (at least under Linux) without
>>> a hitch, and yet you're having so many problems under OS X. . . .
>>
>> Well you have to remember That as with most software developers, they
>> give MacOS only a cursory glance, where as with UNIX, Linux, and, of
>> course window are the bread and butter.
>
> The code is cross-platform and is then compiled for different platforms,
> so there is little or no truth to your claim.
>
> Indeed, David Hyatt (who I believe is still involved with the Mozilla
> Project) worked (and may still work) for Apple and was involved in the
> development of Safari.
>
> The issue, then is either with OS X (which would surprise me) or in how
> you tried to set things up.
>
>> Where Mozilla may have 100 developers MacOS might have 1 for those 100.
>> Strange thing is except for the Mac Interface THe underneath is UNIX.
>
> Actually, FreeBSD.
>
> /b.
>
For OSX.3.9 it's BSD Unix Licensed from Berkly.

OSX.4. used FreeBSD. which is licensed from the same community system as
Mozilla and other products.

Even Terminal uses two totally different systems between the two OSes.
Some commands that work fine in X.4.8 either fail or parially fail in
X.3.9. and vice-versa.

For example That command given:
/Applications/Paradiso/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager

Worked perfect in OSX.4.8.

IN OSX.3.9 It worked it actually opened the profile manager; but; while
doing so it threw up a bunch of error messages.

When OSX.5 come out since it will be geared more to the Intel Macs I
wouldn't be surprised if the code for the Intel Macs is same UNIX that
are used on PC's (X86/Xfree86?).

While most of the internal code may or may not be universal. There are
parts of each code related to how Printing is addressed, how things are
drawn on screen, are unique to each system. Mac OSX, Windows, UNIX, Linux.

And this is where the disparity is That's the reason for my comment
above. for every 100 developers working on Windows there may be 1 for
the Mac, And since UNIX and Linux are so close for every 100 Windows
developers, there might be 60-75 for The other communities.

Its just the way life is. Most of the resources go to the platform is
most used. MS Windows is the 800 pound Gorilla, and the other platforms
have to accept the scraps left over.

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On 2006-12-18 11:55 (-0700 UTC), Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:

> Brian Heinrich wrote:



>>> Where Mozilla may have 100 developers MacOS might have 1 for those 100.
>>> Strange thing is except for the Mac Interface THe underneath is UNIX.
>>
>> Actually, FreeBSD.
>
> For OSX.3.9 it's BSD Unix Licensed from Berkly.
>
> OSX.4. used FreeBSD. which is licensed from the same community system as
> Mozilla and other products.

See .

> Even Terminal uses two totally different systems between the two OSes.
> Some commands that work fine in X.4.8 either fail or parially fail in
> X.3.9. and vice-versa.

I played on an OS X machine for an hour or so a couple months ago and found
that the term didn't function at all like I expected it to. . . .

> For example That command given:
> /Applications/Paradiso/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager

I'm not sure why you'd need to type the whole path; isn't there an
equivalent of /usr/bin/?



> When OSX.5 come out since it will be geared more to the Intel Macs I
> wouldn't be surprised if the code for the Intel Macs is same UNIX that
> are used on PC's (X86/Xfree86?).

XFree86 and Xorg are just different X11 implementations. I'd guess the
significant difference would be in the kernel, so that it would run under
x86 architecture (rather than PPC or x86_64).

> While most of the internal code may or may not be universal. There are
> parts of each code related to how Printing is addressed, [ . . . ]

But printing isn't handled internally by the app; it's handled at the OS
level -- Fx/Moz/SM/Tb/&c don't have in-built print drivers or spools.

> [ . . . ] how things are
> drawn on screen, are unique to each system.

And here I thought rendering tended to start from the first pixel at the
upper left-hand corner of the screen, go all the way through to the bottom
right-hand corner of the screen, and then jump back to the upper left-hand
corner of the screen.

> Mac OSX, Windows, UNIX, Linux.

IANAP, but wouldn't these kinds of things -- printing; screen drawing -- be
(low-level) API calls rather than something implemented by a given piece of
software?

> And this is where the disparity is That's the reason for my comment
> above. for every 100 developers working on Windows there may be 1 for
> the Mac, And since UNIX and Linux are so close for every 100 Windows
> developers, there might be 60-75 for The other communities.

Again, I don't think the claim is particularly either germane or valid.

> Its just the way life is. Most of the resources go to the platform is
> most used. MS Windows is the 800 pound Gorilla, and the other platforms
> have to accept the scraps left over.

I've used Fx/Moz/SM/Tb under both Windows and Linux, with little concern. I
know people who use them under OS X (tho' some prefer Safari) without any
problems -- tho', to be fair, most of 'em wouldn't be fiddling around with
multiple versions. . . .

/b.

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Brian Heinrich wrote:
> On 2006-12-18 11:55 (-0700 UTC), Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>
>> Brian Heinrich wrote:
>
>
>
>>>> Where Mozilla may have 100 developers MacOS might have 1 for those 100.
>>>> Strange thing is except for the Mac Interface THe underneath is UNIX.
>>>
>>> Actually, FreeBSD.
>>
>> For OSX.3.9 it's BSD Unix Licensed from Berkly.
>>
>> OSX.4. used FreeBSD. which is licensed from the same community system
>> as Mozilla and other products.
>
> See .
>
>> Even Terminal uses two totally different systems between the two OSes.
>> Some commands that work fine in X.4.8 either fail or parially fail in
>> X.3.9. and vice-versa.
>
> I played on an OS X machine for an hour or so a couple months ago and
> found that the term didn't function at all like I expected it to. . . .
>
>> For example That command given:
>> /Applications/Paradiso/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>
> I'm not sure why you'd need to type the whole path; isn't there an
> equivalent of /usr/bin/?

This was the command structure I was given my Leonidas Jones

>
>
>> When OSX.5 come out since it will be geared more to the Intel Macs I
>> wouldn't be surprised if the code for the Intel Macs is same UNIX that
>> are used on PC's (X86/Xfree86?).
>
> XFree86 and Xorg are just different X11 implementations. I'd guess the
> significant difference would be in the kernel, so that it would run
> under x86 architecture (rather than PPC or x86_64).

You would know the exact item I am referring to.

>> While most of the internal code may or may not be universal. There are
>> parts of each code related to how Printing is addressed, [ . . . ]
>
> But printing isn't handled internally by the app; it's handled at the OS
> level -- Fx/Moz/SM/Tb/&c don't have in-built print drivers or spools.
>
>> [ . . . ] how things are drawn on screen, are unique to each system.
>
> And here I thought rendering tended to start from the first pixel at the
> upper left-hand corner of the screen, go all the way through to the
> bottom right-hand corner of the screen, and then jump back to the upper
> left-hand corner of the screen.
>
>> Mac OSX, Windows, UNIX, Linux.
>
> IANAP, but wouldn't these kinds of things -- printing; screen drawing --
> be (low-level) API calls rather than something implemented by a given
> piece of software?
>
>> And this is where the disparity is That's the reason for my comment
>> above. for every 100 developers working on Windows there may be 1 for
>> the Mac, And since UNIX and Linux are so close for every 100 Windows
>> developers, there might be 60-75 for The other communities.
>
> Again, I don't think the claim is particularly either germane or valid.
>
>> Its just the way life is. Most of the resources go to the platform is
>> most used. MS Windows is the 800 pound Gorilla, and the other
>> platforms have to accept the scraps left over.
>
> I've used Fx/Moz/SM/Tb under both Windows and Linux, with little
> concern. I know people who use them under OS X (tho' some prefer
> Safari) without any problems -- tho', to be fair, most of 'em wouldn't
> be fiddling around with multiple versions. . . .

Safari doesn't suit me. I put it on par with IE.

Safari started out as slightly retooled version of a browser used on
Linux/UNIX. Its my understanding That on the UNIX/Linux side That it had
been patched so many times. Its not even recommended for use.

I tried the KDE 3.2 version the other day I have installed on my G4-500
and it wouldn't even load secure html pages complained about something
not available.

> /b.
>


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Brian Heinrich wrote:
> On 2006-12-18 11:55 (-0700 UTC), Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
>
>> Brian Heinrich wrote:
>
/snip/
>
>> For example That command given:
>> /Applications/Paradiso/Contents/MacOS/firefox -ProfileManager
>
> I'm not sure why you'd need to type the whole path; isn't there an
> equivalent of /usr/bin/?

If there is, I don't know of it. My direction comes straight from the
mozilla.org directions for opening PM.

I also find the command works just as well on 10.3.9 as it does on
10.4.8, so I am not sure why Phillip had difficulty with it.
/snip/
>> Its just the way life is. Most of the resources go to the platform is
>> most used. MS Windows is the 800 pound Gorilla, and the other
>> platforms have to accept the scraps left over.
>
> I've used Fx/Moz/SM/Tb under both Windows and Linux, with little
> concern. I know people who use them under OS X (tho' some prefer
> Safari) without any problems -- tho', to be fair, most of 'em wouldn't
> be fiddling around with multiple versions. . . .
>
> /b.
>

Actually, under OSX mutltiple versions are very easy to manage, as long
as you have profiles organized for them. I have both GranParadiso and
FF2 running as I write. Its easy to compare across the versions.

Lee

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On 2006-12-18 17:31 (-0700 UTC), Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:



> Safari started out as slightly retooled version of a browser used on
> Linux/UNIX.

Umm . . . WebCore is based on KHTML, and some of Apple's improvements are
merged back into KHTML.

> Its my understanding That on the UNIX/Linux side That it had
> been patched so many times. Its not even recommended for use.

First I've heard of that, since Konqueror is pretty central to KDE.

> I tried the KDE 3.2 [ . . . ]

Version numbers of Konq and KDE should be the same. Most recent release is
3.5.5.

> [ . . . ] version the other day I have installed on my G4-500
> and it wouldn't even load secure html pages complained about something
> not available.

It would depend on what that something is, now, wouldn't it? ;-)

/b.

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