>
> Anyway, the reason they took Firefox etc. away from us is that they
> can push updates out to IE since it's entwined in Windows.
>
> It is not sufficient for them to take it as given that we the users
> are notified by the program itself when there are updates available
> and then go and update it because they have no GUARANTEE that we will
> update it immediately
>
> Is there some way that they can do it 'centrally' so that I can tell
> them to go stick IE & the MSN Toolbar and give me me back my REAL
> browser?

Look under tools> options> advanced> update>
and push the automatic update button.

Good luck with the IT twits. Remember that not that long ago some of
them could not even spell _IT_ and now they are IT professionals. ;-)

-Jim

AyJay wrote:

> The place where I work has recenly inflicted a new Ghost image on us that
> removed "non-standard" tabbed browsers (Firefox, Opera, MyIE2, SlimBrowser
> etc) and gave us IE & the MSN Toolbar so that we have tabs 'just like we
> used to'..... So yeah, I won't even go further with that.
>
> Anyway, the reason they took Firefox etc. away from us is that they can push
> updates out to IE since it's entwined in Windows.
>
> It is not sufficient for them to take it as given that we the users are
> notified by the program itself when there are updates available and then go
> and update it because they have no GUARANTEE that we will update it
> immediately
>
> Is there some way that they can do it 'centrally' so that I can tell them to
> go stick IE & the MSN Toolbar and give me me back my REAL browser?
>
> Oh please, oh please, oh please say that there is some way to do this.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> Andrew
>
>
go talk to them.

I don't know if this would work, but you can carry FF, TB, and others
around with you, by putting it on a memory stick or flash card or
whatever. All you have to do is plug it into a USB port and off you
go: http://portableapps.com/apps

On 26-02-2006 19:16 CET, AyJay composed this enchanting statement:
> The place where I work has recenly inflicted a new Ghost image on us that
> removed "non-standard" tabbed browsers (Firefox, Opera, MyIE2, SlimBrowser
> etc) and gave us IE & the MSN Toolbar so that we have tabs 'just like we
> used to'..... So yeah, I won't even go further with that.
>
> Anyway, the reason they took Firefox etc. away from us is that they can push
> updates out to IE since it's entwined in Windows.
>
> It is not sufficient for them to take it as given that we the users are
> notified by the program itself when there are updates available and then go
> and update it because they have no GUARANTEE that we will update it
> immediately
>
> Is there some way that they can do it 'centrally' so that I can tell them to
> go stick IE & the MSN Toolbar and give me me back my REAL browser?
>
> Oh please, oh please, oh please say that there is some way to do this.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>

Of course, they can install the Firefox (FF) program centrally, assuming
you are in a company network, such as Windows NT. I think they would
install a security upgrade when it becomes available, but put any
functional upgrade on the shelf to mature some weeks or even months.

The user profile will tailor FF to your needs. The challenge is how exactly
the initial profile is created, at first invocation. Thinking ......

--
Kind regards,

Melchert

MacOS 10.3.9/Firefox 1.5/Thunderbird 1.5

"AyJay" wrote in
:

> Anyway, the reason they took Firefox etc. away from us is that
> they can push updates out to IE since it's entwined in Windows.
>
> It is not sufficient for them to take it as given that we the
> users are notified by the program itself when there are updates
> available and then go and update it because they have no GUARANTEE
> that we will update it immediately

Or at all. I just ran across two cow orkers both using Fx 1.0.1 last
week.

> Is there some way that they can do it 'centrally' so that I can
> tell them to go stick IE & the MSN Toolbar and give me me back my
> REAL browser?
>
> Oh please, oh please, oh please say that there is some way to do
> this.

Unfortunately, AFAIK there isn't. The idea has been kicked around for
years without much being done. IMO, the Firefox folks have made quite
a mistake in not making it easy for admins to push updates across their
network well in advance of IE7's release. Anyway, you might want to
keep an eye on
. If that bug
is ever fixed, your admins will have what they need to push updates.

--
»Q«

»Q« wrote:
[snip]
> Or at all. I just ran across two cow orkers both using Fx 1.0.1 last
> week.
>
[snip]
for those wondering but "cow orkers" is real, and it has nothing to do
with orking cows:
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?...ext=cow-orkers
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;...ers&sbid=lc05b

> AyJay wrote:
>
>> The place where I work has recenly inflicted a new Ghost image on us that
>> removed "non-standard" tabbed browsers (Firefox, Opera, MyIE2,
>> SlimBrowser etc) and gave us IE & the MSN Toolbar so that we have tabs
>> 'just like we used to'..... So yeah, I won't even go further with that.
>>
>> Anyway, the reason they took Firefox etc. away from us is that they can
>> push updates out to IE since it's entwined in Windows.
>>
>> It is not sufficient for them to take it as given that we the users are
>> notified by the program itself when there are updates available and then
>> go and update it because they have no GUARANTEE that we will update it
>> immediately
>>
>> Is there some way that they can do it 'centrally' so that I can tell them
>> to go stick IE & the MSN Toolbar and give me me back my REAL browser?
>>
>> Oh please, oh please, oh please say that there is some way to do this.
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
> go talk to them.
>
> I don't know if this would work, but you can carry FF, TB, and others
> around with you, by putting it on a memory stick or flash card or
> whatever. All you have to do is plug it into a USB port and off you go:
> http://portableapps.com/apps

Unfortunately, when they inflicted the image on us, they DISABLED all
external drives!
CD, Floppy, USB - all of them. I used to use my USB thumbstick for backing
up bookmarks...

As for talking to them.... to a certain extent, they're following the orders
of Management, who
believe that it's such a big deal, and me saying that the 20 things that I
can no longer do add
up over the course of the day and reduce my productivity.... but no - they
don't care.

Listing off the uses for Copy Plain Text, IE Tab, etc just falls on deaf
ears, so I'm trying to
at least take away the objection that they can't update it remotely.

Good thought, though

AyJay wrote:

>>AyJay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The place where I work has recenly inflicted a new Ghost image on us that
>>>removed "non-standard" tabbed browsers (Firefox, Opera, MyIE2,
>>>SlimBrowser etc) and gave us IE & the MSN Toolbar so that we have tabs
>>>'just like we used to'..... So yeah, I won't even go further with that.
>>>
>>>Anyway, the reason they took Firefox etc. away from us is that they can
>>>push updates out to IE since it's entwined in Windows.
>>>
>>>It is not sufficient for them to take it as given that we the users are
>>>notified by the program itself when there are updates available and then
>>>go and update it because they have no GUARANTEE that we will update it
>>>immediately
>>>
>>>Is there some way that they can do it 'centrally' so that I can tell them
>>>to go stick IE & the MSN Toolbar and give me me back my REAL browser?
>>>
>>>Oh please, oh please, oh please say that there is some way to do this.
>>>
>>>Thanks for any suggestions.
>>>
>>>Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>
>>go talk to them.
>>
>>I don't know if this would work, but you can carry FF, TB, and others
>>around with you, by putting it on a memory stick or flash card or
>>whatever. All you have to do is plug it into a USB port and off you go:
>>http://portableapps.com/apps
>
>
> Unfortunately, when they inflicted the image on us, they DISABLED all
> external drives!
> CD, Floppy, USB - all of them. I used to use my USB thumbstick for backing
> up bookmarks...
>
> As for talking to them.... to a certain extent, they're following the orders
> of Management, who
> believe that it's such a big deal, and me saying that the 20 things that I
> can no longer do add
> up over the course of the day and reduce my productivity.... but no - they
> don't care.
>
> Listing off the uses for Copy Plain Text, IE Tab, etc just falls on deaf
> ears, so I'm trying to
> at least take away the objection that they can't update it remotely.
>
> Good thought, though
>
>
then by pass the IT people and go directly to management, and convince
them. Sometimes, all they need is an education. Especially, that
they are more open to viruses, trojans, worms, and other harmful
problems by using IE and O/OE than they are with a Mozilla product.

There was an article out a number of years ago that mentioned that the
Head of IT Security for MS wouldn't even touch their own products, and
he only used a Mozilla product. You can search on Wired for the
article: http://www.wired.com/

On 26-02-2006 21:49 CET, »Q« composed this enchanting statement:
> "AyJay" wrote in
> :
>
>> Anyway, the reason they took Firefox etc. away from us is that
>> they can push updates out to IE since it's entwined in Windows.
>>
>> It is not sufficient for them to take it as given that we the
>> users are notified by the program itself when there are updates
>> available and then go and update it because they have no GUARANTEE
>> that we will update it immediately
>>
> Or at all. I just ran across two cow orkers both using Fx 1.0.1 last
> week.
>
>> Is there some way that they can do it 'centrally' so that I can
>> tell them to go stick IE & the MSN Toolbar and give me me back my
>> REAL browser?
>>
>> Oh please, oh please, oh please say that there is some way to do
>> this.
>>
> Unfortunately, AFAIK there isn't. The idea has been kicked around for
> years without much being done. IMO, the Firefox folks have made quite
> a mistake in not making it easy for admins to push updates across their
> network well in advance of IE7's release. Anyway, you might want to
> keep an eye on
> . If that bug
> is ever fixed, your admins will have what they need to push updates.
>
Very interesting. I guess a strategic (marketing) plan is required for
this beauty.
It is classified as an enhancement. The status is now 'New', free to
take on, and the priority is 2.

--
Kind regards,

Melchert

MacOS 10.3.9/Firefox 1.5/Thunderbird 1.5

"Jim" wrote in message
news:cv6dna85hpoeZJzZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
>
>>
>> Anyway, the reason they took Firefox etc. away from us is that they
>> can push updates out to IE since it's entwined in Windows.
>>
>> It is not sufficient for them to take it as given that we the users
>> are notified by the program itself when there are updates available
>> and then go and update it because they have no GUARANTEE that we will
>> update it immediately
>>
>> Is there some way that they can do it 'centrally' so that I can tell
>> them to go stick IE & the MSN Toolbar and give me me back my REAL
>> browser?
>
> Look under tools> options> advanced> update>
> and push the automatic update button.
>
> Good luck with the IT twits. Remember that not that long ago some of them
> could not even spell _IT_ and now they are IT professionals. ;-)
>
> -Jim

I took a screenshot of the Options-Advanced window and sent it to my manager
with the following email:

-----Original Message-----
From: [Me]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:29 PM
To: [The Boss]
Subject: Automatic updates for Firefox

Hi [Boss],

I think I've found something that will lend weight to my request to have
Firefox back: the attached screenshot shows the option in Firefox that can
be enabled so that Firefox automatically downloads & installs all available
updates so that there's no longer the concern that the user has an out of
date version that's vulnerable to compromise through known security holes.

If Firefox was included in the image we have and that option was set, it
would then always be up to date which I believe is one of the primary
concerns for disallowing the use of Firefox in the image.

Let me know what you think.

Andrew

This is the reply that I got back from the boss:

Hi Andrew, We will not be bring firefox back as we have to work with the
new image provided to us

[Boss]

So much for that......

Thanks for all the suggestions, but I believe this now means 'Case Closed'
and shows that they actually have no reasonable objections to Firefox being
used..... and by that I mean that the objections to its use are
UNreasonable.

After all, we on the front lines in the company are only providing internet
support to our customers and proviing advice where necessary on security
measures to keept their computers secure..... what could WE possibly know
about using secure programs and keeping them up to date with respect to
security holes.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone!

AyJay wrote:

> "Jim" wrote in message
> news:cv6dna85hpoeZJzZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
>
>>>Anyway, the reason they took Firefox etc. away from us is that they
>>>can push updates out to IE since it's entwined in Windows.
>>>
>>>It is not sufficient for them to take it as given that we the users
>>>are notified by the program itself when there are updates available
>>>and then go and update it because they have no GUARANTEE that we will
>>>update it immediately
>>>
>>>Is there some way that they can do it 'centrally' so that I can tell
>>>them to go stick IE & the MSN Toolbar and give me me back my REAL
>>>browser?
>>
>>Look under tools> options> advanced> update>
>>and push the automatic update button.
>>
>>Good luck with the IT twits. Remember that not that long ago some of them
>>could not even spell _IT_ and now they are IT professionals. ;-)
>>
>> -Jim
>
>
> I took a screenshot of the Options-Advanced window and sent it to my manager
> with the following email:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [Me]
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:29 PM
> To: [The Boss]
> Subject: Automatic updates for Firefox
>
> Hi [Boss],
>
> I think I've found something that will lend weight to my request to have
> Firefox back: the attached screenshot shows the option in Firefox that can
> be enabled so that Firefox automatically downloads & installs all available
> updates so that there's no longer the concern that the user has an out of
> date version that's vulnerable to compromise through known security holes.
>
> If Firefox was included in the image we have and that option was set, it
> would then always be up to date which I believe is one of the primary
> concerns for disallowing the use of Firefox in the image.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Andrew
>
> This is the reply that I got back from the boss:
>
> Hi Andrew, We will not be bring firefox back as we have to work with the
> new image provided to us
>
> [Boss]
>
> So much for that......
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions, but I believe this now means 'Case Closed'
> and shows that they actually have no reasonable objections to Firefox being
> used..... and by that I mean that the objections to its use are
> UNreasonable.
>
> After all, we on the front lines in the company are only providing internet
> support to our customers and proviing advice where necessary on security
> measures to keept their computers secure..... what could WE possibly know
> about using secure programs and keeping them up to date with respect to
> security holes.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions everyone!
>
>
well, atleast you tried. :-(

On 27-02-2006 19:18 CET, AyJay composed this enchanting statement:
> "Jim" wrote in message
> news:cv6dna85hpoeZJzZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
>
>>> Anyway, the reason they took Firefox etc. away from us is that they
>>> can push updates out to IE since it's entwined in Windows.
>>>
>>> It is not sufficient for them to take it as given that we the users
>>> are notified by the program itself when there are updates available
>>> and then go and update it because they have no GUARANTEE that we will
>>> update it immediately
>>>
>>> Is there some way that they can do it 'centrally' so that I can tell
>>> them to go stick IE & the MSN Toolbar and give me me back my REAL
>>> browser?
>>>
>> Look under tools> options> advanced> update>
>> and push the automatic update button.
>>
>> Good luck with the IT twits. Remember that not that long ago some of them
>> could not even spell _IT_ and now they are IT professionals. ;-)
>>
>> -Jim
>>
>
> I took a screenshot of the Options-Advanced window and sent it to my manager
> with the following email:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [Me]
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:29 PM
> To: [The Boss]
> Subject: Automatic updates for Firefox
>
> Hi [Boss],
>
> I think I've found something that will lend weight to my request to have
> Firefox back: the attached screenshot shows the option in Firefox that can
> be enabled so that Firefox automatically downloads & installs all available
> updates so that there's no longer the concern that the user has an out of
> date version that's vulnerable to compromise through known security holes.
>
> If Firefox was included in the image we have and that option was set, it
> would then always be up to date which I believe is one of the primary
> concerns for disallowing the use of Firefox in the image.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Andrew
>
> This is the reply that I got back from the boss:
>
> Hi Andrew, We will not be bring firefox back as we have to work with the
> new image provided to us
>
> [Boss]
>
> So much for that......
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions, but I believe this now means 'Case Closed'
> and shows that they actually have no reasonable objections to Firefox being
> used..... and by that I mean that the objections to its use are
> UNreasonable.
>
> After all, we on the front lines in the company are only providing internet
> support to our customers and proviing advice where necessary on security
> measures to keept their computers secure..... what could WE possibly know
> about using secure programs and keeping them up to date with respect to
> security holes.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions everyone!
>
I wonder which new image which is provided. Is it M$ IE7?

Have you heard about the EEC verdict and penalties related to those
intertwined applications in Windows systems, blocking fair competition?

--
Kind regards,

Melchert

MacOS 10.3.9/Firefox 1.5/Thunderbird 1.5

AyJay wrote:
> "Jim" wrote in message
> news:cv6dna85hpoeZJzZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@mozilla.org. ..
>>> Anyway, the reason they took Firefox etc. away from us is that they
>>> can push updates out to IE since it's entwined in Windows.
>>>
>>> It is not sufficient for them to take it as given that we the users
>>> are notified by the program itself when there are updates available
>>> and then go and update it because they have no GUARANTEE that we will
>>> update it immediately
>>>
>>> Is there some way that they can do it 'centrally' so that I can tell
>>> them to go stick IE & the MSN Toolbar and give me me back my REAL
>>> browser?
>> Look under tools> options> advanced> update>
>> and push the automatic update button.
>>
>> Good luck with the IT twits. Remember that not that long ago some of them
>> could not even spell _IT_ and now they are IT professionals. ;-)
>>
>> -Jim
>
> I took a screenshot of the Options-Advanced window and sent it to my manager
> with the following email:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [Me]
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:29 PM
> To: [The Boss]
> Subject: Automatic updates for Firefox
>
> Hi [Boss],
>
> I think I've found something that will lend weight to my request to have
> Firefox back: the attached screenshot shows the option in Firefox that can
> be enabled so that Firefox automatically downloads & installs all available
> updates so that there's no longer the concern that the user has an out of
> date version that's vulnerable to compromise through known security holes.
>
> If Firefox was included in the image we have and that option was set, it
> would then always be up to date which I believe is one of the primary
> concerns for disallowing the use of Firefox in the image.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Andrew
>
> This is the reply that I got back from the boss:
>
> Hi Andrew, We will not be bring firefox back as we have to work with the
> new image provided to us
>
> [Boss]
>
> So much for that......
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions, but I believe this now means 'Case Closed'
> and shows that they actually have no reasonable objections to Firefox being
> used..... and by that I mean that the objections to its use are
> UNreasonable.
>
> After all, we on the front lines in the company are only providing internet
> support to our customers and proviing advice where necessary on security
> measures to keept their computers secure..... what could WE possibly know
> about using secure programs and keeping them up to date with respect to
> security holes.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions everyone!

My condolences. I hope I'll never have to rely on a company using that
stupid a policy for any serious business.

BR,
Gudmund