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  1. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    Pete wrote:

    > Terry wrote:
    >
    >>On 1/17/2006 12:57 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard
    >>
    >>
    >>>Chris Ilias wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>_Pete_ spoke thusly on 16/01/2006 1:40 PM:
    >>>>
    >>>>>gwtc wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Does Firefox 1.5 have a way to notify me when new updates become
    >>>>>>>available for download?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>It will notify you if you want: Tools, Options, Advanced, and
    >>>>>>click on the Update tab and fiddle around with the settings there
    >>>>>>until you get what you want.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>gwtc...why does the update tab refer to checking for updates to FF,
    >>>>>extensions and themes, and search engines (ie in the three check
    >>>>>boxes) - but right below that, it only refers to FF (where the two
    >>>>>radio buttons are). I noticed this when I first installed 1.5, but
    >>>>>figured it was just another moz glitch :-) ...Pete
    >>>>
    >>>>It only refers to Firefox, because it only applies to Firefox. :-)
    >>>
    >>>Then why have the check boxes for "extensions and themes" and "search
    >>>engines" in the updates tab. You guys are still not answering my
    >>>question. This makes no sense to me at all, and obviously is a
    >>>glitch in the updates tab :-) ...Pete
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>FF will search for updates to Extensions and Themes but it will NOT
    >>install them for you. It is up to you to do that in Tools, Extensions
    >>or Tools, Themes.

    >
    >
    > Terry (and Q and gwtc)...I don't think you understand what I am asking, or
    > saying. If firefox searches for the extensions and themes and search
    > engines, what good is it if it isn't going to at least notify you that it
    > found some. The radio buttons only apply to FF. So the question is what
    > happens if you have the check boxes checked for themes and extensions and
    > search engines and it finds some. What happens next (ie is it going to
    > notify you that it found some or what - if not what good are the check
    > boxes). I can't be much clearer than that...Pete


    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    >
    >>FF would not and should not allow an extension or theme by an outside
    >>source to install itself automatically. Having the user update it is
    >>the best method IMO.
    >>
    >>There isn't a "moz glitch". It's just a UI to search for the external
    >>updates. It made more sense for the devs to put it there than anywhere
    >>else. The section below it is specifically for FF and those updates
    >>can be trusted to automatically download if that is your choice. I
    >>would NOT want my extensions or themes updating on their own. They
    >>can cause enough problems when I'm aware of it!

    >
    >
    >


  2. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    On 1/17/2006 4:23 PM Pacific, gwtc wrote:
    > Pete wrote:


    >> Terry (and Q and gwtc)...I don't think you understand what I am asking, or
    >> saying. If firefox searches for the extensions and themes and search
    >> engines, what good is it if it isn't going to at least notify you that it
    >> found some. The radio buttons only apply to FF. So the question is what
    >> happens if you have the check boxes checked for themes and extensions and
    >> search engines and it finds some. What happens next (ie is it going to
    >> notify you that it found some or what - if not what good are the check
    >> boxes). I can't be much clearer than that...Pete

    >
    > YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    You are correct in stating that FF doesn't directly notify you when
    updates to extensions/themes are available. However it does indirectly
    tell you that updates are available in the extensions/themes windows by
    placing an "Update" clickable button next to the extensions/themes for
    which updates are available.

    Perfect? No! Usable? Depends on the user!

    Irwin

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  3. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    gwtc wrote:
    > Pete wrote:
    >
    >> Terry wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 1/17/2006 12:57 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> Chris Ilias wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> _Pete_ spoke thusly on 16/01/2006 1:40 PM:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> gwtc wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Jeff wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Does Firefox 1.5 have a way to notify me when new updates
    >>>>>>>> become available for download?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> It will notify you if you want: Tools, Options, Advanced, and
    >>>>>>> click on the Update tab and fiddle around with the settings
    >>>>>>> there until you get what you want.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> gwtc...why does the update tab refer to checking for updates to
    >>>>>> FF, extensions and themes, and search engines (ie in the three
    >>>>>> check boxes) - but right below that, it only refers to FF (where
    >>>>>> the two radio buttons are). I noticed this when I first
    >>>>>> installed 1.5, but figured it was just another moz glitch :-)
    >>>>>> ...Pete
    >>>>>
    >>>>> It only refers to Firefox, because it only applies to Firefox. :-)
    >>>>
    >>>> Then why have the check boxes for "extensions and themes" and
    >>>> "search engines" in the updates tab. You guys are still not
    >>>> answering my question. This makes no sense to me at all, and
    >>>> obviously is a glitch in the updates tab :-) ...Pete
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> FF will search for updates to Extensions and Themes but it will NOT
    >>> install them for you. It is up to you to do that in Tools,
    >>> Extensions or Tools, Themes.

    >>
    >>
    >> Terry (and Q and gwtc)...I don't think you understand what I am
    >> asking, or saying. If firefox searches for the extensions and
    >> themes and search engines, what good is it if it isn't going to at
    >> least notify you that it found some. The radio buttons only apply
    >> to FF. So the question is what happens if you have the check boxes
    >> checked for themes and extensions and search engines and it finds
    >> some. What happens next (ie is it going to notify you that it found
    >> some or what - if not what good are the check boxes). I can't be
    >> much clearer than that...Pete

    >
    > YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Then it should state that it will notify you if it finds updates for the
    themes and extensions and search engines (if you have them checked). The
    way it is presented is ambiguous at best.


    >
    >
    >>
    >>> FF would not and should not allow an extension or theme by an
    >>> outside source to install itself automatically. Having the user
    >>> update it is the best method IMO.
    >>>
    >>> There isn't a "moz glitch". It's just a UI to search for the
    >>> external updates. It made more sense for the devs to put it there
    >>> than anywhere else. The section below it is specifically for FF
    >>> and those updates can be trusted to automatically download if that
    >>> is your choice. I would NOT want my extensions or themes updating
    >>> on their own. They can cause enough problems when I'm aware of it!




  4. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    Irwin Greenwald wrote:
    > On 1/17/2006 4:23 PM Pacific, gwtc wrote:
    >> Pete wrote:

    >
    >>> Terry (and Q and gwtc)...I don't think you understand what I am
    >>> asking, or saying. If firefox searches for the extensions and
    >>> themes and search engines, what good is it if it isn't going to at
    >>> least notify you that it found some. The radio buttons only apply
    >>> to FF. So the question is what happens if you have the check boxes
    >>> checked for themes and extensions and search engines and it finds
    >>> some. What happens next (ie is it going to notify you that it
    >>> found some or what - if not what good are the check boxes). I
    >>> can't be much clearer than that...Pete

    >>
    >> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    >
    > You are correct in stating that FF doesn't directly notify you when
    > updates to extensions/themes are available. However it does
    > indirectly tell you that updates are available in the
    > extensions/themes windows by placing an "Update" clickable button
    > next to the extensions/themes for which updates are available.
    >
    > Perfect? No! Usable? Depends on the user!
    >
    > Irwin


    Irwin...I don't remember seeing the update clickable button when I just
    updated adblock to build 42 (I may have missed it). I hit the "find
    updates" button on the bottom (which searches for updates to all the
    extensions in the list), and then the update button came on next to adblock,
    but I don't think it was there before I hit find updates and it found the
    update. I may be mistaken and will look for it the next time I check (every
    so often - they update stuff constantly as you know). If there is nothing
    there, but yet something shows up by clicking find updates, then the auto
    notify feature obviously may not be up to snuff. I will report later if I
    find this happening. I do have all the check boxes checked in the update
    tab...Pete



  5. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    On 1/17/2006 5:02 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard

    > Irwin Greenwald wrote:
    >> On 1/17/2006 4:23 PM Pacific, gwtc wrote:
    >>> Pete wrote:
    >>>> Terry (and Q and gwtc)...I don't think you understand what I am
    >>>> asking, or saying. If firefox searches for the extensions and
    >>>> themes and search engines, what good is it if it isn't going to at
    >>>> least notify you that it found some. The radio buttons only apply
    >>>> to FF. So the question is what happens if you have the check boxes
    >>>> checked for themes and extensions and search engines and it finds
    >>>> some. What happens next (ie is it going to notify you that it
    >>>> found some or what - if not what good are the check boxes). I
    >>>> can't be much clearer than that...Pete
    >>> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    >> You are correct in stating that FF doesn't directly notify you when
    >> updates to extensions/themes are available. However it does
    >> indirectly tell you that updates are available in the
    >> extensions/themes windows by placing an "Update" clickable button
    >> next to the extensions/themes for which updates are available.
    >>
    >> Perfect? No! Usable? Depends on the user!
    >>
    >> Irwin

    >
    > Irwin...I don't remember seeing the update clickable button when I just
    > updated adblock to build 42 (I may have missed it). I hit the "find
    > updates" button on the bottom (which searches for updates to all the
    > extensions in the list), and then the update button came on next to adblock,
    > but I don't think it was there before I hit find updates and it found the
    > update. I may be mistaken and will look for it the next time I check (every
    > so often - they update stuff constantly as you know). If there is nothing
    > there, but yet something shows up by clicking find updates, then the auto
    > notify feature obviously may not be up to snuff. I will report later if I
    > find this happening. I do have all the check boxes checked in the update
    > tab...Pete
    >
    >


    Tab Mix Plus and NTT both had notifications (the FF throbber) in my
    Extension window a couple days ago. I clicked the button and it updated.
    To me, it was acting just how it should, by letting me know in the
    Extension window that an update was available. What do you want, a
    browser window to pop up?

    I think you are expecting FF to do something that no program does with
    3rd party tools/extensions/themes. Does Windows tell you that there is
    an update to FF? Other than MS updates, what does Windows notify you
    about? Nothing. It's not up to FF to do any more than it is doing, and I
    think you are expecting something only because it doesn't seem right to
    you.

    It's like you just want someone to validate what you said, but I'm
    sorry, I think the function works fine. You just have to check the
    Extension/Theme window once in a while for a notification.

    --
    Terry

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  6. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    On 1/17/2006 4:40 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard

    > gwtc wrote:
    >> Pete wrote:
    >>
    >>> Terry wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 1/17/2006 12:57 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> Chris Ilias wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> _Pete_ spoke thusly on 16/01/2006 1:40 PM:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> gwtc wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Jeff wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Does Firefox 1.5 have a way to notify me when new updates
    >>>>>>>>> become available for download?
    >>>>>>>> It will notify you if you want: Tools, Options, Advanced, and
    >>>>>>>> click on the Update tab and fiddle around with the settings
    >>>>>>>> there until you get what you want.
    >>>>>>> gwtc...why does the update tab refer to checking for updates to
    >>>>>>> FF, extensions and themes, and search engines (ie in the three
    >>>>>>> check boxes) - but right below that, it only refers to FF (where
    >>>>>>> the two radio buttons are). I noticed this when I first
    >>>>>>> installed 1.5, but figured it was just another moz glitch :-)
    >>>>>>> ...Pete
    >>>>>> It only refers to Firefox, because it only applies to Firefox. :-)
    >>>>> Then why have the check boxes for "extensions and themes" and
    >>>>> "search engines" in the updates tab. You guys are still not
    >>>>> answering my question. This makes no sense to me at all, and
    >>>>> obviously is a glitch in the updates tab :-) ...Pete
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>> FF will search for updates to Extensions and Themes but it will NOT
    >>>> install them for you. It is up to you to do that in Tools,
    >>>> Extensions or Tools, Themes.
    >>>
    >>> Terry (and Q and gwtc)...I don't think you understand what I am
    >>> asking, or saying. If firefox searches for the extensions and
    >>> themes and search engines, what good is it if it isn't going to at
    >>> least notify you that it found some. The radio buttons only apply
    >>> to FF. So the question is what happens if you have the check boxes
    >>> checked for themes and extensions and search engines and it finds
    >>> some. What happens next (ie is it going to notify you that it found
    >>> some or what - if not what good are the check boxes). I can't be
    >>> much clearer than that...Pete

    >> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    >
    > Then it should state that it will notify you if it finds updates for the
    > themes and extensions and search engines (if you have them checked). The
    > way it is presented is ambiguous at best.
    >
    >
    >>
    >>>> FF would not and should not allow an extension or theme by an
    >>>> outside source to install itself automatically. Having the user
    >>>> update it is the best method IMO.
    >>>>
    >>>> There isn't a "moz glitch". It's just a UI to search for the
    >>>> external updates. It made more sense for the devs to put it there
    >>>> than anywhere else. The section below it is specifically for FF
    >>>> and those updates can be trusted to automatically download if that
    >>>> is your choice. I would NOT want my extensions or themes updating
    >>>> on their own. They can cause enough problems when I'm aware of it!

    >
    >


    (interspersed comment by Pete)
    "Then it should state that it will notify you if it finds updates for
    the themes and extensions and search engines (if you have them checked).
    The way it is presented is ambiguous at best."

    It does notify you. In the Extension/Theme window. At least they
    provided a way to do it. I don't see IE notifying a user about any
    add-in updates. MS could care less.

    You now know how FF informs you of it. No need to keep beating a dead
    horse, right?

    --
    Terry

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  7. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    "Pete" wrote in
    :

    >>> Terry (and Q and gwtc)...I don't think you understand what I am
    >>> asking, or saying. If firefox searches for the extensions and
    >>> themes and search engines, what good is it if it isn't going to
    >>> at least notify you that it found some. The radio buttons only
    >>> apply to FF. So the question is what happens if you have the
    >>> check boxes checked for themes and extensions and search engines
    >>> and it finds some. What happens next (ie is it going to notify
    >>> you that it found some or what - if not what good are the check
    >>> boxes). I can't be much clearer than that...Pete

    >>
    >> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    >
    > Then it should state that it will notify you if it finds updates
    > for the themes and extensions and search engines (if you have them
    > checked). The way it is presented is ambiguous at best.


    The only "ambiguity" you have been able to read into it is the
    possibility that it will check for updates then completely hide the
    update info from you, but you then imply that that possibility doesn't
    make sense. And it doesn't, which leaves you with only one way to read
    it.

    --
    Q

  8. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    Terry wrote:

    > On 1/17/2006 4:40 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard
    >
    >
    >>gwtc wrote:
    >>
    >>>Pete wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Terry wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>On 1/17/2006 12:57 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Chris Ilias wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>_Pete_ spoke thusly on 16/01/2006 1:40 PM:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>gwtc wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Does Firefox 1.5 have a way to notify me when new updates
    >>>>>>>>>>become available for download?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>It will notify you if you want: Tools, Options, Advanced, and
    >>>>>>>>>click on the Update tab and fiddle around with the settings
    >>>>>>>>>there until you get what you want.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>gwtc...why does the update tab refer to checking for updates to
    >>>>>>>>FF, extensions and themes, and search engines (ie in the three
    >>>>>>>>check boxes) - but right below that, it only refers to FF (where
    >>>>>>>>the two radio buttons are). I noticed this when I first
    >>>>>>>>installed 1.5, but figured it was just another moz glitch :-)
    >>>>>>>>...Pete
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>It only refers to Firefox, because it only applies to Firefox. :-)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Then why have the check boxes for "extensions and themes" and
    >>>>>>"search engines" in the updates tab. You guys are still not
    >>>>>>answering my question. This makes no sense to me at all, and
    >>>>>>obviously is a glitch in the updates tab :-) ...Pete
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>FF will search for updates to Extensions and Themes but it will NOT
    >>>>>install them for you. It is up to you to do that in Tools,
    >>>>>Extensions or Tools, Themes.
    >>>>
    >>>>Terry (and Q and gwtc)...I don't think you understand what I am
    >>>>asking, or saying. If firefox searches for the extensions and
    >>>>themes and search engines, what good is it if it isn't going to at
    >>>>least notify you that it found some. The radio buttons only apply
    >>>>to FF. So the question is what happens if you have the check boxes
    >>>>checked for themes and extensions and search engines and it finds
    >>>>some. What happens next (ie is it going to notify you that it found
    >>>>some or what - if not what good are the check boxes). I can't be
    >>>>much clearer than that...Pete
    >>>
    >>>YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    >>
    >>Then it should state that it will notify you if it finds updates for the
    >>themes and extensions and search engines (if you have them checked). The
    >>way it is presented is ambiguous at best.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>>>FF would not and should not allow an extension or theme by an
    >>>>>outside source to install itself automatically. Having the user
    >>>>>update it is the best method IMO.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>There isn't a "moz glitch". It's just a UI to search for the
    >>>>>external updates. It made more sense for the devs to put it there
    >>>>>than anywhere else. The section below it is specifically for FF
    >>>>>and those updates can be trusted to automatically download if that
    >>>>>is your choice. I would NOT want my extensions or themes updating
    >>>>>on their own. They can cause enough problems when I'm aware of it!

    >>
    >>

    >
    > (interspersed comment by Pete)
    > "Then it should state that it will notify you if it finds updates for
    > the themes and extensions and search engines (if you have them checked).
    > The way it is presented is ambiguous at best."
    >
    > It does notify you. In the Extension/Theme window. At least they
    > provided a way to do it. I don't see IE notifying a user about any
    > add-in updates. MS could care less.
    >
    > You now know how FF informs you of it. No need to keep beating a dead
    > horse, right?
    >

    I only use FF to help others, and I don't have any extensions or
    themes installed, so someone will have to tell me if this function
    happens or not.

    I have two extensions installed in TB 1.0.7. About a month before TB
    1.5 came out, I got a message that popped up from where the clock is.
    The pop up stated that an update is available.

    So, my question is, does FF have something like that?

  9. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    On 1/17/2006 11:05 PM On a whim, gwtc pounded out on the keyboard

    > Terry wrote:
    >
    >> On 1/17/2006 4:40 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard
    >>
    >>
    >>> gwtc wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Pete wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> Terry wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On 1/17/2006 12:57 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Chris Ilias wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> _Pete_ spoke thusly on 16/01/2006 1:40 PM:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> gwtc wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Jeff wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Does Firefox 1.5 have a way to notify me when new updates
    >>>>>>>>>>> become available for download?
    >>>>>>>>>> It will notify you if you want: Tools, Options, Advanced, and
    >>>>>>>>>> click on the Update tab and fiddle around with the settings
    >>>>>>>>>> there until you get what you want.
    >>>>>>>>> gwtc...why does the update tab refer to checking for updates to
    >>>>>>>>> FF, extensions and themes, and search engines (ie in the three
    >>>>>>>>> check boxes) - but right below that, it only refers to FF (where
    >>>>>>>>> the two radio buttons are). I noticed this when I first
    >>>>>>>>> installed 1.5, but figured it was just another moz glitch :-)
    >>>>>>>>> ...Pete
    >>>>>>>> It only refers to Firefox, because it only applies to Firefox. :-)
    >>>>>>> Then why have the check boxes for "extensions and themes" and
    >>>>>>> "search engines" in the updates tab. You guys are still not
    >>>>>>> answering my question. This makes no sense to me at all, and
    >>>>>>> obviously is a glitch in the updates tab :-) ...Pete
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>> FF will search for updates to Extensions and Themes but it will NOT
    >>>>>> install them for you. It is up to you to do that in Tools,
    >>>>>> Extensions or Tools, Themes.
    >>>>> Terry (and Q and gwtc)...I don't think you understand what I am
    >>>>> asking, or saying. If firefox searches for the extensions and
    >>>>> themes and search engines, what good is it if it isn't going to at
    >>>>> least notify you that it found some. The radio buttons only apply
    >>>>> to FF. So the question is what happens if you have the check boxes
    >>>>> checked for themes and extensions and search engines and it finds
    >>>>> some. What happens next (ie is it going to notify you that it found
    >>>>> some or what - if not what good are the check boxes). I can't be
    >>>>> much clearer than that...Pete
    >>>> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>> Then it should state that it will notify you if it finds updates for the
    >>> themes and extensions and search engines (if you have them checked). The
    >>> way it is presented is ambiguous at best.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>>> FF would not and should not allow an extension or theme by an
    >>>>>> outside source to install itself automatically. Having the user
    >>>>>> update it is the best method IMO.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> There isn't a "moz glitch". It's just a UI to search for the
    >>>>>> external updates. It made more sense for the devs to put it there
    >>>>>> than anywhere else. The section below it is specifically for FF
    >>>>>> and those updates can be trusted to automatically download if that
    >>>>>> is your choice. I would NOT want my extensions or themes updating
    >>>>>> on their own. They can cause enough problems when I'm aware of it!
    >>>

    >> (interspersed comment by Pete)
    >> "Then it should state that it will notify you if it finds updates for
    >> the themes and extensions and search engines (if you have them checked).
    >> The way it is presented is ambiguous at best."
    >>
    >> It does notify you. In the Extension/Theme window. At least they
    >> provided a way to do it. I don't see IE notifying a user about any
    >> add-in updates. MS could care less.
    >>
    >> You now know how FF informs you of it. No need to keep beating a dead
    >> horse, right?
    >>

    > I only use FF to help others, and I don't have any extensions or
    > themes installed, so someone will have to tell me if this function
    > happens or not.
    >
    > I have two extensions installed in TB 1.0.7. About a month before TB
    > 1.5 came out, I got a message that popped up from where the clock is.
    > The pop up stated that an update is available.
    >
    > So, my question is, does FF have something like that?


    In TB I remember that happening quite a while back, but I've either used
    1.6a1 or trunk builds of 1.5 for so long that I forgot it used to do
    that. I haven't seen it for months.

    I also haven't seen FF do that although the throbber in the upper right
    underneath the X used to give me the same animated icon I saw in the
    extensions a few days ago, alerting me an update was available.


    --
    Terry

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  10. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    On 1/17/2006 11:05 PM gwtc scribbled:

    > Terry wrote:
    >
    >
    >>On 1/17/2006 4:40 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>gwtc wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Pete wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Terry wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>On 1/17/2006 12:57 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Chris Ilias wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>_Pete_ spoke thusly on 16/01/2006 1:40 PM:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>gwtc wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Does Firefox 1.5 have a way to notify me when new updates
    >>>>>>>>>>>become available for download?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>It will notify you if you want: Tools, Options, Advanced, and
    >>>>>>>>>>click on the Update tab and fiddle around with the settings
    >>>>>>>>>>there until you get what you want.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>gwtc...why does the update tab refer to checking for updates to
    >>>>>>>>>FF, extensions and themes, and search engines (ie in the three
    >>>>>>>>>check boxes) - but right below that, it only refers to FF (where
    >>>>>>>>>the two radio buttons are). I noticed this when I first
    >>>>>>>>>installed 1.5, but figured it was just another moz glitch :-)
    >>>>>>>>>...Pete
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>It only refers to Firefox, because it only applies to Firefox. :-)
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Then why have the check boxes for "extensions and themes" and
    >>>>>>>"search engines" in the updates tab. You guys are still not
    >>>>>>>answering my question. This makes no sense to me at all, and
    >>>>>>>obviously is a glitch in the updates tab :-) ...Pete
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>FF will search for updates to Extensions and Themes but it will NOT
    >>>>>>install them for you. It is up to you to do that in Tools,
    >>>>>>Extensions or Tools, Themes.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Terry (and Q and gwtc)...I don't think you understand what I am
    >>>>>asking, or saying. If firefox searches for the extensions and
    >>>>>themes and search engines, what good is it if it isn't going to at
    >>>>>least notify you that it found some. The radio buttons only apply
    >>>>>to FF. So the question is what happens if you have the check boxes
    >>>>>checked for themes and extensions and search engines and it finds
    >>>>>some. What happens next (ie is it going to notify you that it found
    >>>>>some or what - if not what good are the check boxes). I can't be
    >>>>>much clearer than that...Pete
    >>>>
    >>>>YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>>
    >>>Then it should state that it will notify you if it finds updates for the
    >>>themes and extensions and search engines (if you have them checked). The
    >>>way it is presented is ambiguous at best.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>>>FF would not and should not allow an extension or theme by an
    >>>>>>outside source to install itself automatically. Having the user
    >>>>>>update it is the best method IMO.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>There isn't a "moz glitch". It's just a UI to search for the
    >>>>>>external updates. It made more sense for the devs to put it there
    >>>>>>than anywhere else. The section below it is specifically for FF
    >>>>>>and those updates can be trusted to automatically download if that
    >>>>>>is your choice. I would NOT want my extensions or themes updating
    >>>>>>on their own. They can cause enough problems when I'm aware of it!
    >>>
    >>>

    >>(interspersed comment by Pete)
    >>"Then it should state that it will notify you if it finds updates for
    >>the themes and extensions and search engines (if you have them checked).
    >> The way it is presented is ambiguous at best."
    >>
    >>It does notify you. In the Extension/Theme window. At least they
    >>provided a way to do it. I don't see IE notifying a user about any
    >>add-in updates. MS could care less.
    >>
    >>You now know how FF informs you of it. No need to keep beating a dead
    >>horse, right?
    >>

    >
    > I only use FF to help others, and I don't have any extensions or
    > themes installed, so someone will have to tell me if this function
    > happens or not.
    >
    > I have two extensions installed in TB 1.0.7. About a month before TB
    > 1.5 came out, I got a message that popped up from where the clock is.
    > The pop up stated that an update is available.
    >
    > So, my question is, does FF have something like that?

    tools>options>advanced>updates?

  11. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    jg wrote:

    > On 1/17/2006 11:05 PM gwtc scribbled:
    >
    >
    >>Terry wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>On 1/17/2006 4:40 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>gwtc wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Pete wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>Terry wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>On 1/17/2006 12:57 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Chris Ilias wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>_Pete_ spoke thusly on 16/01/2006 1:40 PM:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>gwtc wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>Does Firefox 1.5 have a way to notify me when new updates
    >>>>>>>>>>>>become available for download?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>It will notify you if you want: Tools, Options, Advanced, and
    >>>>>>>>>>>click on the Update tab and fiddle around with the settings
    >>>>>>>>>>>there until you get what you want.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>gwtc...why does the update tab refer to checking for updates to
    >>>>>>>>>>FF, extensions and themes, and search engines (ie in the three
    >>>>>>>>>>check boxes) - but right below that, it only refers to FF (where
    >>>>>>>>>>the two radio buttons are). I noticed this when I first
    >>>>>>>>>>installed 1.5, but figured it was just another moz glitch :-)
    >>>>>>>>>>...Pete
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>It only refers to Firefox, because it only applies to Firefox. :-)
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>Then why have the check boxes for "extensions and themes" and
    >>>>>>>>"search engines" in the updates tab. You guys are still not
    >>>>>>>>answering my question. This makes no sense to me at all, and
    >>>>>>>>obviously is a glitch in the updates tab :-) ...Pete
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>FF will search for updates to Extensions and Themes but it will NOT
    >>>>>>>install them for you. It is up to you to do that in Tools,
    >>>>>>>Extensions or Tools, Themes.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Terry (and Q and gwtc)...I don't think you understand what I am
    >>>>>>asking, or saying. If firefox searches for the extensions and
    >>>>>>themes and search engines, what good is it if it isn't going to at
    >>>>>>least notify you that it found some. The radio buttons only apply
    >>>>>>to FF. So the question is what happens if you have the check boxes
    >>>>>>checked for themes and extensions and search engines and it finds
    >>>>>>some. What happens next (ie is it going to notify you that it found
    >>>>>>some or what - if not what good are the check boxes). I can't be
    >>>>>>much clearer than that...Pete
    >>>>>
    >>>>>YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>>>
    >>>>Then it should state that it will notify you if it finds updates for the
    >>>>themes and extensions and search engines (if you have them checked). The
    >>>>way it is presented is ambiguous at best.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>>>FF would not and should not allow an extension or theme by an
    >>>>>>>outside source to install itself automatically. Having the user
    >>>>>>>update it is the best method IMO.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>There isn't a "moz glitch". It's just a UI to search for the
    >>>>>>>external updates. It made more sense for the devs to put it there
    >>>>>>>than anywhere else. The section below it is specifically for FF
    >>>>>>>and those updates can be trusted to automatically download if that
    >>>>>>>is your choice. I would NOT want my extensions or themes updating
    >>>>>>>on their own. They can cause enough problems when I'm aware of it!
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>(interspersed comment by Pete)
    >>>"Then it should state that it will notify you if it finds updates for
    >>>the themes and extensions and search engines (if you have them checked).
    >>> The way it is presented is ambiguous at best."
    >>>
    >>>It does notify you. In the Extension/Theme window. At least they
    >>>provided a way to do it. I don't see IE notifying a user about any
    >>>add-in updates. MS could care less.
    >>>
    >>>You now know how FF informs you of it. No need to keep beating a dead
    >>>horse, right?
    >>>

    >>
    >>I only use FF to help others, and I don't have any extensions or
    >>themes installed, so someone will have to tell me if this function
    >>happens or not.
    >>
    >>I have two extensions installed in TB 1.0.7. About a month before TB
    >>1.5 came out, I got a message that popped up from where the clock is.
    >> The pop up stated that an update is available.
    >>
    >>So, my question is, does FF have something like that?

    >
    > tools>options>advanced>updates?

    thanks, but that really didn't answer my question. I wanted to know
    about the popup.

  12. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    _gwtc_ spoke thusly on 18/01/2006 2:05 AM:
    > I only use FF to help others, and I don't have any extensions or themes
    > installed, so someone will have to tell me if this function happens or not.
    >
    > I have two extensions installed in TB 1.0.7. About a month before TB
    > 1.5 came out, I got a message that popped up from where the clock is.
    > The pop up stated that an update is available.
    >
    > So, my question is, does FF have something like that?


    I've had it set to automatically download updates, at which point I get
    an actual window (title bar, etc.) that pops up telling me an update has
    just been downloaded. I assume it's the same with "ask me what to do",
    except you get the pop at an earlier stage in the update process.
    --
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  13. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    On 1/18/2006 10:52 AM On a whim, Chris Ilias pounded out on the keyboard

    > _gwtc_ spoke thusly on 18/01/2006 2:05 AM:
    >> I only use FF to help others, and I don't have any extensions or themes
    >> installed, so someone will have to tell me if this function happens or not.
    >>
    >> I have two extensions installed in TB 1.0.7. About a month before TB
    >> 1.5 came out, I got a message that popped up from where the clock is.
    >> The pop up stated that an update is available.
    >>
    >> So, my question is, does FF have something like that?

    >
    > I've had it set to automatically download updates, at which point I get
    > an actual window (title bar, etc.) that pops up telling me an update has
    > just been downloaded. I assume it's the same with "ask me what to do",
    > except you get the pop at an earlier stage in the update process.


    You've received an update for 1.5 or was this for prior versions? My
    Update History is empty although I have my setting to auto download and
    install.

    I never have seen a window for an update. I only see the throbber with
    the red & yellow getting my attention.

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  14. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    Terry wrote:
    > On 1/17/2006 5:02 PM On a whim, Pete pounded out on the keyboard
    >
    >> Irwin Greenwald wrote:
    >>> On 1/17/2006 4:23 PM Pacific, gwtc wrote:
    >>>> Pete wrote:
    >>>>> Terry (and Q and gwtc)...I don't think you understand what I am
    >>>>> asking, or saying. If firefox searches for the extensions and
    >>>>> themes and search engines, what good is it if it isn't going to at
    >>>>> least notify you that it found some. The radio buttons only apply
    >>>>> to FF. So the question is what happens if you have the check
    >>>>> boxes checked for themes and extensions and search engines and it
    >>>>> finds some. What happens next (ie is it going to notify you that
    >>>>> it found some or what - if not what good are the check boxes). I
    >>>>> can't be much clearer than that...Pete
    >>>> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >>> You are correct in stating that FF doesn't directly notify you when
    >>> updates to extensions/themes are available. However it does
    >>> indirectly tell you that updates are available in the
    >>> extensions/themes windows by placing an "Update" clickable button
    >>> next to the extensions/themes for which updates are available.
    >>>
    >>> Perfect? No! Usable? Depends on the user!
    >>>
    >>> Irwin

    >>
    >> Irwin...I don't remember seeing the update clickable button when I
    >> just updated adblock to build 42 (I may have missed it). I hit the
    >> "find updates" button on the bottom (which searches for updates to
    >> all the extensions in the list), and then the update button came on
    >> next to adblock, but I don't think it was there before I hit find
    >> updates and it found the update. I may be mistaken and will look
    >> for it the next time I check (every so often - they update stuff
    >> constantly as you know). If there is nothing there, but yet
    >> something shows up by clicking find updates, then the auto notify
    >> feature obviously may not be up to snuff. I will report later if I
    >> find this happening. I do have all the check boxes checked in the
    >> update tab...Pete

    >
    > Tab Mix Plus and NTT both had notifications (the FF throbber) in my
    > Extension window a couple days ago. I clicked the button and it
    > updated. To me, it was acting just how it should, by letting me know
    > in the Extension window that an update was available. What do you
    > want, a browser window to pop up?
    >
    > I think you are expecting FF to do something that no program does with
    > 3rd party tools/extensions/themes. Does Windows tell you that there
    > is an update to FF? Other than MS updates, what does Windows notify
    > you about? Nothing. It's not up to FF to do any more than it is
    > doing, and I think you are expecting something only because it
    > doesn't seem right to you.
    >
    > It's like you just want someone to validate what you said, but I'm
    > sorry, I think the function works fine. You just have to check the
    > Extension/Theme window once in a while for a notification.


    I already said I will do that, and that I wasn't sure the function was
    working, and I will let you all know in the future. Thanks.



  15. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    _Terry_ spoke thusly on 18/01/2006 2:52 PM:
    > On 1/18/2006 10:52 AM On a whim, Chris Ilias pounded out on the keyboard
    >
    >> I've had it set to automatically download updates, at which point I
    >> get an actual window (title bar, etc.) that pops up telling me an
    >> update has just been downloaded. I assume it's the same with "ask me
    >> what to do", except you get the pop at an earlier stage in the update
    >> process.

    >
    > You've received an update for 1.5 or was this for prior versions? My
    > Update History is empty although I have my setting to auto download and
    > install.
    >
    > I never have seen a window for an update. I only see the throbber with
    > the red & yellow getting my attention.


    Before 1.5 was released, I was updating nightly.
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  16. Re: Firefox Update notifications?

    On 1/18/2006 3:09 PM On a whim, Chris Ilias pounded out on the keyboard

    > _Terry_ spoke thusly on 18/01/2006 2:52 PM:
    >> On 1/18/2006 10:52 AM On a whim, Chris Ilias pounded out on the keyboard
    >>
    >>> I've had it set to automatically download updates, at which point I
    >>> get an actual window (title bar, etc.) that pops up telling me an
    >>> update has just been downloaded. I assume it's the same with "ask me
    >>> what to do", except you get the pop at an earlier stage in the update
    >>> process.

    >> You've received an update for 1.5 or was this for prior versions? My
    >> Update History is empty although I have my setting to auto download and
    >> install.
    >>
    >> I never have seen a window for an update. I only see the throbber with
    >> the red & yellow getting my attention.

    >
    > Before 1.5 was released, I was updating nightly.


    Just curious as to why I never saw a window pop up as you have prior to 1.5.

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