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  1. Keeping newsgroup messages from getting deleted locally?

    Do newsgroup messages eventually get deleted from the newsserver when it
    gets too full? If so, is there a way TB can keep messages locally so
    when they get deleted from the newsserver they'll still be saved on a
    user's PC?

  2. Re: Keeping newsgroup messages from getting deleted locally?

    Rick wrote:
    > Do newsgroup messages eventually get deleted from the newsserver when
    > it gets too full? If so, is there a way TB can keep messages
    > locally so when they get deleted from the newsserver they'll still be
    > saved on a user's PC?


    Right click on that newsgroup in folder pane , select 'Properties' .
    Select 'offline' tab.
    Check 'Select this newsgroup for offline use' option [ Note , you can do
    same from Tools>Account Settings > that newsgroup account > Offline &
    Disk Space > 'Select Newsgroup for offline use..' ]

    Now this setting will work in this way :
    1. When ever you select any post to read it , its body will be
    downloaded and stored locally in profile folder > News folder > folder
    of that newsgroup .

    2. If you want to download body of selected messages then select those
    in message list pane , right click on selection and select 'Get selected
    messages'.

    3. If you download body of all messages in that folder , select it and
    goto File > Offline > Download & Sync now.

  3. Re: Keeping newsgroup messages from getting deleted locally?

    Nir wrote:
    > Rick wrote:
    >> Do newsgroup messages eventually get deleted from the newsserver when
    >> it gets too full? If so, is there a way TB can keep messages locally
    >> so when they get deleted from the newsserver they'll still be
    >> saved on a user's PC?

    >
    > Right click on that newsgroup in folder pane , select 'Properties' .
    > Select 'offline' tab.
    > Check 'Select this newsgroup for offline use' option [ Note , you can do
    > same from Tools>Account Settings > that newsgroup account > Offline &
    > Disk Space > 'Select Newsgroup for offline use..' ]
    >
    > Now this setting will work in this way :
    > 1. When ever you select any post to read it , its body will be
    > downloaded and stored locally in profile folder > News folder > folder
    > of that newsgroup .
    >
    > 2. If you want to download body of selected messages then select those
    > in message list pane , right click on selection and select 'Get selected
    > messages'.
    >
    > 3. If you download body of all messages in that folder , select it and
    > goto File > Offline > Download & Sync now.


    Thanks, Nir. I've set this newsgroup to 'Select this newsgroup for
    offline use'. So *any* message I read will have its body downloaded
    locally? Therefore, when messages are deleted from the server, those
    messages I'd already read will remain on my PC?

    I'm not sure I understand your (2.) above. Do you mean that to be for
    newsgroups where I *don't* want every read message to be downloaded
    locally but instead want to manually select them for local downloading?
    I tried it -- on another newsgroup, I selected a few messages that I
    hadn't yet read, right-clicked the selection, but 'Get selected
    messages' is dimmed.

    I think I was hoping to be able to create a rule so that all of my
    messages and replies to my messages got automatically stored locally, so
    I could keep them permanently for reference even after they got deleted
    from the server.

  4. Re: Keeping newsgroup messages from getting deleted locally?

    Rick wrote:
    > Nir wrote:


    > I'm not sure I understand your (2.) above. Do you mean that to be
    > for newsgroups where I *don't* want every read message to be
    > downloaded locally but instead want to manually select them for local
    > downloading? I tried it -- on another newsgroup, I selected a few
    > messages that I hadn't yet read, right-clicked the selection, but
    > 'Get selected messages' is dimmed.


    Its actually a bug . select 'Mark' menu item in context menu . As soon
    as sub-menu will be displayed , ' Get selected messages' menu item will
    also become available .

  5. Re: Keeping newsgroup messages from getting deleted locally?

    Nir wrote:
    > Rick wrote:
    >> Nir wrote:

    >
    >> I'm not sure I understand your (2.) above. Do you mean that to be
    >> for newsgroups where I *don't* want every read message to be
    >> downloaded locally but instead want to manually select them for local
    >> downloading? I tried it -- on another newsgroup, I selected a few
    >> messages that I hadn't yet read, right-clicked the selection, but
    >> 'Get selected messages' is dimmed.

    >
    > Its actually a bug . select 'Mark' menu item in context menu . As soon
    > as sub-menu will be displayed , ' Get selected messages' menu item will
    > also become available .


    Thanks, Nir -- I've done this (though before I did so, I noticed that
    'Get Selected Messages' was no longer dimmed when I looked a second
    time...not sure what happened there!). In any case, I'm guessing my
    messages are getting saved to file "mozilla.support.thunderbird.msf" --
    is that right?

    It seems that this process of 'Get Selected Messages' removes the Star
    on a message after it's complete. Don't quite understand that. Any
    thoughts on that?

  6. Re: Keeping newsgroup messages from getting deleted locally?

    Rick wrote:
    > Nir wrote:


    >> Its actually a bug . select 'Mark' menu item in context menu . As
    >> soon as sub-menu will be displayed , ' Get selected messages' menu
    >> item will also become available .

    >
    > Thanks, Nir -- I've done this (though before I did so, I noticed that
    > 'Get Selected Messages' was no longer dimmed when I looked a second
    > time...not sure what happened there!).


    "https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374261"

    > In any case, I'm guessing my messages are getting saved to file
    > "mozilla.support.thunderbird.msf" -- is that right?


    no , it will be saved in a mbox file , like
    "mozilla.support.thunderbird" under the same folder .
    ..msf files are actually index files , it doesn't contain original
    message body .

    > It seems that this process of 'Get Selected Messages' removes the
    > Star on a message after it's complete. Don't quite understand that.
    > Any thoughts on that?


    Same result here . I believe its a bug . You may report it here
    "https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Thunderbird&format=guided"
    You need to create a bugzilla account before you report at bugzilla .

  7. Re: Keeping newsgroup messages from getting deleted locally?

    Ron K. wrote:



    > There is an extension that You may want to look at that can archive mBox
    > mail/new files.
    > This is the URL:
    > http://nic-nac-project.de/~kaosmos/mboximport-en.html
    >
    > The page has good documentation on ways to use the archives. While the
    > mBox format has a huge capacity, the indexing will get sluggish as
    > message retention builds up. This tool can help maintain performance
    > and aid with backup.


    Thanks. I've downloaded and installed this. Rather than archiving
    messages off somewhere else as this does, I was hoping to simply find
    some way so that messages I specify (e.g., my posts and replies to them)
    don't get deleted from my PC when the server deletes them. Is there a
    way to do that with TB? Thanks much.

  8. Sorry -- question already answered

    Rick wrote:
    > Ron K. wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >> There is an extension that You may want to look at that can archive
    >> mBox mail/new files.
    >> This is the URL:
    >> http://nic-nac-project.de/~kaosmos/mboximport-en.html
    >>
    >> The page has good documentation on ways to use the archives. While
    >> the mBox format has a huge capacity, the indexing will get sluggish as
    >> message retention builds up. This tool can help maintain performance
    >> and aid with backup.

    >
    > Thanks. I've downloaded and installed this. Rather than archiving
    > messages off somewhere else as this does, I was hoping to simply find
    > some way so that messages I specify (e.g., my posts and replies to them)
    > don't get deleted from my PC when the server deletes them. Is there a
    > way to do that with TB? Thanks much.


    Please ignore this message. Nir already answered my question: that it's
    done by right-clicking and choosing 'Get Selected Messages'. That works
    fine.

    Though I also see under newsgroup Properties | Retention Policy tab,
    that you can specify that the server NOT delete any messages. So if I
    specify "Don't Delete Any Messages", does that mean all newsgroup
    messages that have been downloaded to my PC will never get deleted from
    my PC?

  9. Re: Sorry -- question already answered

    Rick wrote, On 10/16/2007 01:52 PM:

    > Though I also see under newsgroup Properties | Retention Policy tab,
    > that you can specify that the server NOT delete any messages. So if I
    > specify "Don't Delete Any Messages", does that mean all newsgroup
    > messages that have been downloaded to my PC will never get deleted from
    > my PC?


    Yes.
    Make it sure that you have UNCHECKED 'Always delete read message' option .

  10. Re: Sorry -- question already answered

    Nir wrote:
    > Rick wrote, On 10/16/2007 01:52 PM:
    >
    >> Though I also see under newsgroup Properties | Retention Policy tab,
    >> that you can specify that the server NOT delete any messages. So if I
    >> specify "Don't Delete Any Messages", does that mean all newsgroup
    >> messages that have been downloaded to my PC will never get deleted
    >> from my PC?

    >
    > Yes.
    > Make it sure that you have UNCHECKED 'Always delete read message' option .


    Great; then I don't need to do any of this archiving or saving at all!

    The thing that I don't understand, though: if messages are deleted
    occasionally from the newsserver (when it gets full?), how do they NOT
    get deleted from a user's PC? How would they remain? Are message
    bodies *automatically* stored locally somehow?

  11. Re: Sorry -- question already answered

    Rick wrote:
    > Nir wrote:
    >> Rick wrote, On 10/16/2007 01:52 PM:
    >>
    >>> Though I also see under newsgroup Properties | Retention Policy tab,
    >>> that you can specify that the server NOT delete any messages. So if
    >>> I specify "Don't Delete Any Messages", does that mean all newsgroup
    >>> messages that have been downloaded to my PC will never get deleted
    >>> from my PC?

    >>
    >> Yes.
    >> Make it sure that you have UNCHECKED 'Always delete read message'
    >> option .

    >
    > Great; then I don't need to do any of this archiving or saving at all!
    >
    > The thing that I don't understand, though: if messages are deleted
    > occasionally from the newsserver (when it gets full?), how do they NOT
    > get deleted from a user's PC? How would they remain? Are message
    > bodies *automatically* stored locally somehow?

    Bodies will be retained if:
    1. You have retention set to max in the account settings
    2. You selected the header and read the message
    3. You did not make a body purge selection in the account setting

    The advantage of the extension I pointed out is the archives are
    portable. That means if you migrate to a new system or replace a
    HDD you can preserve access to the archives. Portability also means
    sharable over the internet with others who have mBox format mail/news
    softwares.

    Server owners set retention for news groups based on traffic and binary
    status. I have one group I sub to that has a 3- day retention, yet on
    another server, a group I moderate currently has a 2+ year retention due
    to very low traffic. My assumption is servers may set there purge based
    on a space allocation, not on solely on number of days.

    --
    Ron K.

  12. Re: Sorry -- question already answered

    Ron K. wrote:



    > Bodies will be retained if:
    > 1. You have retention set to max in the account settings


    Ron -- I'm looking in Account Settings and I don't see anything about
    setting retention to max. I think you mean something in the Offline &
    Disk Space pane but I'm not sure which setting. Can you point me in the
    right direction?

    > 2. You selected the header and read the message
    > 3. You did not make a body purge selection in the account setting


    Not sure I see anything in Account Settings about body purge. Can you
    steer me right? Thanks.

    I'm also not sure how the 'Offline' settings are related to this. Is it
    necessary for the desired newsgroup to be 'Selected for Offline use' for
    the above to work on its messages?

    > The advantage of the extension I pointed out is the archives are
    > portable. That means if you migrate to a new system or replace a
    > HDD you can preserve access to the archives. Portability also means
    > sharable over the internet with others who have mBox format mail/news
    > softwares.


    If the message bodies are retained as we describe above, couldn't you
    just import messages from the old machine?

    Really appreciate the help.

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