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  1. Filtering

    Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters are
    going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly how soon?
    The filtering currently available in TB is a little lacking.

  2. Re: Filtering

    On 8/28/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Snorkelson MacBurp pounded out on the
    keyboard

    > Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters are
    > going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly how soon?
    > The filtering currently available in TB is a little lacking.


    Why "nudge to the Moz Champs"?

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  3. Re: Filtering

    Terry R. wrote:
    > On 8/28/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Snorkelson MacBurp pounded out on the
    > keyboard
    >
    >> Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters are
    >> going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly how soon?
    >> The filtering currently available in TB is a little lacking.

    >
    > Why "nudge to the Moz Champs"?
    >



    Message filters as in email filters or as in newsgroup filters?

    Email filtering is already far more extensive than Newsgroup filtering
    so the answer to your question depends on which you are referring to.


  4. Re: Filtering

    Snorkelson MacBurp wrote:
    > Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters are
    > going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly how soon?
    > The filtering currently available in TB is a little lacking.


    especially the ones for newsgroups!

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  5. Re: Filtering

    On 8/28/2007 7:44 PM, Snorkelson MacBurp wrote:
    > Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters are
    > going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly how soon?
    > The filtering currently available in TB is a little lacking.


    Your guess is a s good as anyone else's. See
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16913

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  6. Re: Filtering

    On 29.08.2007 07:19, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Irwin
    Greenwald to generate the following:? :
    > On 8/28/2007 7:44 PM, Snorkelson MacBurp wrote:
    >
    >> Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters are
    >> going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly how soon?
    >> The filtering currently available in TB is a little lacking.
    >>

    >
    > Your guess is a s good as anyone else's. See
    > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16913
    >
    >

    usual "activity" there..... 8 years old, 63 votes, not assigned.....

    reg

  7. Re: Filtering

    Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    > Terry R. wrote:
    >> On 8/28/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Snorkelson MacBurp pounded out on the
    >> keyboard
    >>
    >>> Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters are
    >>> going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly how
    >>> soon? The filtering currently available in TB is a little lacking.

    >>
    >> Why "nudge to the Moz Champs"?
    >>

    >
    >
    > Message filters as in email filters or as in newsgroup filters?
    >
    > Email filtering is already far more extensive than Newsgroup filtering
    > so the answer to your question depends on which you are referring to.
    >


    Sorry about that, I meant for newsgroups.

  8. Re: Filtering

    Terry R. wrote:
    > On 8/28/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Snorkelson MacBurp pounded out on the
    > keyboard
    >
    >> Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters are
    >> going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly how soon?
    >> The filtering currently available in TB is a little lacking.

    >
    > Why "nudge to the Moz Champs"?
    >


    They tend to be more plugged in to the goings on about TB and/or FF.

  9. Re: Filtering

    squaredancer wrote:
    > On 29.08.2007 07:19, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Irwin
    > Greenwald to generate the following:? :
    >> On 8/28/2007 7:44 PM, Snorkelson MacBurp wrote:
    >>
    >>> Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters are
    >>> going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly how
    >>> soon? The filtering currently available in TB is a little lacking.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Your guess is a s good as anyone else's. See
    >> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16913
    >>
    >>

    > usual "activity" there..... 8 years old, 63 votes, not assigned.....
    >
    > reg


    I agree, newsgroups are given *VERY* short shrift in TB.

    However, I am currently working on a patch to ignore a subthread (should
    help for some spam that likes to tack onto ongoing thread and pervasive
    trolls).

    It also seems that bug 16913 is much easier to fix now given the new
    NNTP spec, but I don't know how widely that is supported...

  10. Re: Filtering

    Snorkelson MacBurp wrote:
    > Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    >> Terry R. wrote:
    >>> On 8/28/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Snorkelson MacBurp pounded out on the
    >>> keyboard
    >>>
    >>>> Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters
    >>>> are going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly how
    >>>> soon? The filtering currently available in TB is a little lacking.
    >>>
    >>> Why "nudge to the Moz Champs"?
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Message filters as in email filters or as in newsgroup filters?
    >>
    >> Email filtering is already far more extensive than Newsgroup filtering
    >> so the answer to your question depends on which you are referring to.
    >>

    >
    > Sorry about that, I meant for newsgroups.



    As far as I can determine, there is nothing directly on newsgroup
    filtering in the plans for Thunderbird 3. Thats not to say there won't
    be some improvements made, but the conversion to XULRunner/frozen
    links/mailnews strings conversion/ and other points have priority.
    Generally speaking, it sounds as more emphasis is being put on the email
    side of things for the time being.

  11. Re: Filtering

    On 8/29/2007 9:50 AM, Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    > Snorkelson MacBurp wrote:
    >> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    >>> Terry R. wrote:
    >>>> On 8/28/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Snorkelson MacBurp pounded out on
    >>>> the keyboard
    >>>>
    >>>>> Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters
    >>>>> are going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly
    >>>>> how soon? The filtering currently available in TB is a little lacking.
    >>>>
    >>>> Why "nudge to the Moz Champs"?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Message filters as in email filters or as in newsgroup filters?
    >>>
    >>> Email filtering is already far more extensive than Newsgroup
    >>> filtering so the answer to your question depends on which you are
    >>> referring to.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Sorry about that, I meant for newsgroups.

    >
    >
    > As far as I can determine, there is nothing directly on newsgroup
    > filtering in the plans for Thunderbird 3.


    What "plan"? There is no public plan or wish list for TB 3 as far as I
    know.


  12. Re: Filtering

    Wayne Mery wrote:
    > On 8/29/2007 9:50 AM, Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    >> Snorkelson MacBurp wrote:
    >>> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    >>>> Terry R. wrote:
    >>>>> On 8/28/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Snorkelson MacBurp pounded out on
    >>>>> the keyboard
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters
    >>>>>> are going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly
    >>>>>> how soon? The filtering currently available in TB is a little
    >>>>>> lacking.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Why "nudge to the Moz Champs"?
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Message filters as in email filters or as in newsgroup filters?
    >>>>
    >>>> Email filtering is already far more extensive than Newsgroup
    >>>> filtering so the answer to your question depends on which you are
    >>>> referring to.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Sorry about that, I meant for newsgroups.

    >>
    >>
    >> As far as I can determine, there is nothing directly on newsgroup
    >> filtering in the plans for Thunderbird 3.

    >
    > What "plan"? There is no public plan or wish list for TB 3 as far as I
    > know.
    >



    No plan? What do you call these?
    http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thun...d/roadmap.html
    see Thunderbird 3 heading
    http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/rumbl...runk_news.html

    Plans are there, and you can find news of them, if you care to look

  13. Re: Filtering

    On 8/29/2007 5:46 PM, Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    > Wayne Mery wrote:
    >> On 8/29/2007 9:50 AM, Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    >>> Snorkelson MacBurp wrote:
    >>>> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    >>>>> Terry R. wrote:
    >>>>>> On 8/28/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Snorkelson MacBurp pounded out on
    >>>>>> the keyboard
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message filters
    >>>>>>> are going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so, roughly
    >>>>>>> how soon? The filtering currently available in TB is a little
    >>>>>>> lacking.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Why "nudge to the Moz Champs"?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Message filters as in email filters or as in newsgroup filters?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Email filtering is already far more extensive than Newsgroup
    >>>>> filtering so the answer to your question depends on which you are
    >>>>> referring to.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Sorry about that, I meant for newsgroups.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> As far as I can determine, there is nothing directly on newsgroup
    >>> filtering in the plans for Thunderbird 3.

    >>
    >> What "plan"? There is no public plan or wish list for TB 3 as far as
    >> I know.
    >>

    >
    >
    > No plan? What do you call these?
    > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thun...d/roadmap.html
    > see Thunderbird 3 heading
    > http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/rumbl...runk_news.html
    >
    >
    > Plans are there, and you can find news of them, if you care to look


    Thanks. I am aware of these. They are a starting point, but neither is
    definitive nor a plan in the normal sense of the word.


    ** http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thun...d/roadmap.html (TB 3)

    is but an rough statement. It offers two bullets:

    1. "We are currently brainstorming about various user interface
    improvements to take advantage of the advanced graphic rendering
    work being done for Gecko 1.9."

    I think graphics changes are not likely to lead to any substantial
    feature improvements to the news or mail environment (not that I
    believe the statement attempts to say that it will).

    2. "additional user interface enhancements and many substantial
    platform improvement"

    The first phrase is what it is. The later phrase of platform
    improvements speaks at least in part to your second URL plus
    the substantial changes that come with Gecko 1.9.


    **
    http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/rumbl...runk_news.html


    talks only of internal changes and linux requirements which will be
    imposed because of Gecko 1.9


    This is not to say no work is being done - a lot is happening on the
    trunk, or that the developers aren't thinking about what they might
    attempt. But no specific plan of UI and functional changes and
    improvements has been made that I have found. Based on short
    conversation with a developer a week or two ago, "the plan" might not
    appear until Thunderbird's relationship to Mozilla Foundation/Mozilla
    Corporation gets resolved.


    If one wants to view the gory detail of Gecko 1.9 see
    http://wiki.mozilla.org/Gecko_1.9_Roadmap


  14. Re: Filtering

    Wayne Mery wrote:
    > On 8/29/2007 5:46 PM, Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    >> Wayne Mery wrote:
    >>> On 8/29/2007 9:50 AM, Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    >>>> Snorkelson MacBurp wrote:
    >>>>> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    >>>>>> Terry R. wrote:
    >>>>>>> On 8/28/2007 7:44 PM On a whim, Snorkelson MacBurp pounded out on
    >>>>>>> the keyboard
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Does anyone know (nudge to the Moz Champs) if the message
    >>>>>>>> filters are going to be expanded upon in future releases? If so,
    >>>>>>>> roughly how soon? The filtering currently available in TB is a
    >>>>>>>> little lacking.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Why "nudge to the Moz Champs"?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Message filters as in email filters or as in newsgroup filters?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Email filtering is already far more extensive than Newsgroup
    >>>>>> filtering so the answer to your question depends on which you are
    >>>>>> referring to.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Sorry about that, I meant for newsgroups.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> As far as I can determine, there is nothing directly on newsgroup
    >>>> filtering in the plans for Thunderbird 3.
    >>>
    >>> What "plan"? There is no public plan or wish list for TB 3 as far as
    >>> I know.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> No plan? What do you call these?
    >> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thun...d/roadmap.html
    >> see Thunderbird 3 heading
    >> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/rumbl...runk_news.html
    >>
    >>
    >> Plans are there, and you can find news of them, if you care to look

    >
    > Thanks. I am aware of these. They are a starting point, but neither is
    > definitive nor a plan in the normal sense of the word.
    >
    >
    > ** http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thun...d/roadmap.html (TB 3)
    >
    > is but an rough statement. It offers two bullets:
    >
    > 1. "We are currently brainstorming about various user interface
    > improvements to take advantage of the advanced graphic rendering
    > work being done for Gecko 1.9."
    >
    > I think graphics changes are not likely to lead to any substantial
    > feature improvements to the news or mail environment (not that I
    > believe the statement attempts to say that it will).
    >
    > 2. "additional user interface enhancements and many substantial
    > platform improvement"
    >
    > The first phrase is what it is. The later phrase of platform
    > improvements speaks at least in part to your second URL plus
    > the substantial changes that come with Gecko 1.9.
    >
    >
    > **
    > http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/rumbl...runk_news.html
    >
    >
    > talks only of internal changes and linux requirements which will be
    > imposed because of Gecko 1.9
    >
    >
    > This is not to say no work is being done - a lot is happening on the
    > trunk, or that the developers aren't thinking about what they might
    > attempt. But no specific plan of UI and functional changes and
    > improvements has been made that I have found. Based on short
    > conversation with a developer a week or two ago, "the plan" might not
    > appear until Thunderbird's relationship to Mozilla Foundation/Mozilla
    > Corporation gets resolved.
    >
    >
    > If one wants to view the gory detail of Gecko 1.9 see
    > http://wiki.mozilla.org/Gecko_1.9_Roadmap
    >


    Your definition of a 'plan' and mine are different

  15. Re: Filtering

    On 8/29/07 9:13 PM, _Moz Champion (Dan)_ spoke thusly:
    > Your definition of a 'plan' and mine are different


    Dan, the plan for Tb3 has not been drafted yet. They still need to
    establish the organizational structure, before moving onto the Tb3 plan.
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    List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia

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