Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ? - Mozilla

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  1. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    Ron K. wrote:
    > Star date 7/6/2007 4:00 AM by teletype, Thunderbird leader Ron Hunter
    > called the control tower to announce :
    >> Ron K. wrote:
    >>
    >>> Star date 7/5/2007 5:54 AM by teletype, Thunderbird leader d d called
    >>> the control tower to announce :
    >>>
    >>>> I see messages here that start with "I'm using TB1.5 and
    >>>> doing this, this and this, but this doesn't work". I can't
    >>>> help but wonder why they don't upgrade to 2.0.0.4.
    >>>>
    >>>> ~dd
    >>>>
    >>> Because it is still not available through the official update
    >>> channel. Until it is there are thousands who do not know that Tb
    >>> 2.x.x even exists.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Say what? Turn on notification of updates, not automatic updates, and
    >> you should get a notice.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Still not available in the release channel, said after just running a
    > manual check.
    >

    So just manually download the program. It's really not that difficult,
    and many users have better luck with the 'full install'. The 2.0.0.4
    release IS the current release version.


    --
    Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

  2. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    squaredancer wrote:
    > On 06.07.2007 10:05, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Ron Hunter to
    > generate the following:? :
    >> clay wrote:
    >>
    >>> Vicks Rocz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 7/5/2007 05:17 PM India Time, _squaredancer_ wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 05.07.2007 11:54, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused d d to
    >>>>> generate the following:? :
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> I see messages here that start with "I'm using TB1.5 and
    >>>>>> doing this, this and this, but this doesn't work". I can't
    >>>>>> help but wonder why they don't upgrade to 2.0.0.4.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> ~dd
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> because....
    >>>>>
    >>>>> some of us believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
    >>>>>
    >>>>> some of us actually read the difficulties that *hundreds* of posts
    >>>>> indicate
    >>>>>
    >>>>> some of us *DO NOT WANT* the bells and whistles that the devs claim
    >>>>> to be "security updates"
    >>>>>
    >>>>> some of us ask themselves "why the hell do those twits update and
    >>>>> then complain here about all the problems the update brought them"?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> reason enough??????
    >>>>>
    >>>>> reg - very happy with 1.5.0.9
    >>>>>
    >>>> Good list.
    >>>>
    >>>> I update to newer versions after some times they get released so
    >>>> that I give time to my extensions to become compatible.
    >>>>
    >>>> However, I am still not sure that I have seen anything really NEW
    >>>> AND USEFUL in TB 2* that was not there in TB 1.5. All that security
    >>>> updates etc. might be important but they are actually patches and
    >>>> they should not have called a new version release, otherwise WINDOWS
    >>>> with its almost daily security would have gone to a version counting
    >>>> the number of since it has been released.
    >>>>
    >>>> I feel all that noise about something great coming TB 2.0 was
    >>>> unjustified and, in a way, TB 2.0 has just fooled us by giving the
    >>>> same old wine in the old bottle just changing the label on the bottle.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> Something got changed in 2.0 which, for me anyway, is one of the more
    >>> apparent 'fixes' that I've ever seen in a new release.
    >>> I leave TB open 24-7 on my work box. Occasionally I have to close it
    >>> for one reason or another.
    >>> All prior versions of TB would run on for 5-10 minutes after closing
    >>> the GUI.
    >>> V2.x closes immediately. Usually faster than I can get task manager
    >>> open to see if it's gone.
    >>> That by itself is worth the price of admission.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> For me, the most useful feature of TB 2 is the ability to move the
    >> 'folder pane' to a drop-down menu. I see no reason to take up 1/4 of
    >> my screen space for information needed only momentarily when changing
    >> newsgroups or email folders.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > well, Ron.... as my 1.5.0.9 has a vertical bar that I can DRAG to any
    > width (including "closed"), I certainly *DO NOT* see that as an advantage!
    >
    > reg

    I do. I don't enjoy dragging the bar back and forth. Actually, my
    theme has a grippy I can just click, but it is also a nuisance. I just
    like the drop-down menu approach better.


    --
    Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

  3. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    squaredancer wrote:
    > On 06.07.2007 09:18, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused kes to
    > generate the following:? :
    >> squaredancer wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 05.07.2007 11:54, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused d d to
    >>> generate the following:? :
    >>>
    >>>> I see messages here that start with "I'm using TB1.5 and
    >>>> doing this, this and this, but this doesn't work". I can't
    >>>> help but wonder why they don't upgrade to 2.0.0.4.
    >>>>
    >>>> ~dd
    >>>>
    >>> because....
    >>>
    >>> some of us believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
    >>>
    >>> some of us actually read the difficulties that *hundreds* of posts
    >>> indicate
    >>>
    >>> some of us *DO NOT WANT* the bells and whistles that the devs claim
    >>> to be "security updates"
    >>>
    >>> some of us ask themselves "why the hell do those twits update and
    >>> then complain here about all the problems the update brought them"?
    >>>
    >>> reason enough??????
    >>>
    >>> reg - very happy with 1.5.0.9
    >>>

    >>
    >> Er... reg, what was broken in 1.5.0.8 which made you update to your
    >> current FF?
    >>
    >> (By your reasoning, you should still be using telex. It was NOT broken!)
    >>

    >
    > 1) the soddin thing updated itself.. (I posted some time ago) - but
    > then, I was on 1.5.0.4 *lol*
    > 2) Telex IS indeed busted here... and I also am on adsl.... 8-) so
    > Telex would probably overtake itself and start printing backwards
    >
    > but, on the more serious side, I look at the "features" that the update
    > is supposed to contain and decide... "do I *REALLY* need that"?? Most
    > often, the answer is "no, I don't *NEED* that"
    >
    > It's like the newest automobile technology - have you tried to replace a
    > headlight bulb in the newest cars??
    > Answer - You can't! It's a garage maintenance job and takes up to three
    > (3) specialist hours.
    > Is that an improvement??? Ask the local cop who pulls you to the side
    > 'cos your lights aren't functional!
    >
    > reg


    I am sure some aspects of the newer cars aren't improvements, but one
    has to take the device as a whole. There are several things about my
    current car that are VAST improvements over any I have ever had, like
    being smart enough NOT to kick in the starter if the motor is already
    running, and to unlock the door after 30 seconds if the door is locked,
    then closed, when the key is in the ignition.

    Similarly, there are little things in new versions, many of which an
    individual user will never be consciously aware of, which are under the
    heading of 'reliability improvements' but cumulatively are well worth
    having. If, like me, you load the program, do your thing, then quit the
    program, then a memory leak might never be noticed, and fixing it
    wouldn't impact you. However, if, like many, you leave the program
    running for a week at a time, then a memory leak being fixed might just
    be of major importance.
    In my book security is very important, and most updates include one or
    more security improvements, so I do the updates.


    --
    Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

  4. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    squaredancer wrote:
    > On 06.07.2007 09:59, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Ron Hunter to
    > generate the following:? :
    >> squaredancer wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 05.07.2007 11:54, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused d d to
    >>> generate the following:? :
    >>>
    >>>> I see messages here that start with "I'm using TB1.5 and
    >>>> doing this, this and this, but this doesn't work". I can't
    >>>> help but wonder why they don't upgrade to 2.0.0.4.
    >>>>
    >>>> ~dd
    >>>>
    >>> because....
    >>>
    >>> some of us believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
    >>>
    >>> some of us actually read the difficulties that *hundreds* of posts
    >>> indicate
    >>>
    >>> some of us *DO NOT WANT* the bells and whistles that the devs claim
    >>> to be "security updates"
    >>>
    >>> some of us ask themselves "why the hell do those twits update and
    >>> then complain here about all the problems the update brought them"?
    >>>
    >>> reason enough??????
    >>>
    >>> reg - very happy with 1.5.0.9
    >>>

    >>
    >> And most of us update with no problems whatsoever. And in many cases
    >> updates are issued because it IS broke, particularly when a serious
    >> security flaw is discovered. Staying with an older version for a very
    >> long time opens one up to security problems, and reduced functionality
    >> as the web changes over time.
    >>
    >> I suppose you ignore those 'recall notices' you get on your car, too.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > my car's a 1993 diesel - got about 140.000 miles on the clock (Europe's
    > a small place) and does about 47 miles/US gallon (56 miles UK gallon).
    > Not had a recall in those 14 years (it's not a US model *lol*) and I can
    > change the headlight bulbs in about 3 minutes!
    >
    > If NS 4.72 or 7.02 were still viable options, I would also be using them
    > (see many posts on the MTMM and NTMM groups). As I have stated quite
    > often, not all advancements are *progress*
    >
    > reg


    Very often it depends on one's point of view. I rather liked NS 4.72,
    for its day, but I suspect the surfing experience wouldn't be
    particularly satisfying with it now. There are always those who would
    rather be near the back of the pack, rather than in the front. I recall
    dropping back from a couple of releases because certain
    extensions/addons I needed hadn't been updated yet, but those were
    temporary hitches. As soon as the addons were updated, I moved back to
    the newer versions.


    --
    Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

  5. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    squaredancer wrote:
    > On 05.07.2007 21:29, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused clay to
    > generate the following:? :
    >> Ron K. wrote:
    >>
    >>> Star date 7/5/2007 3:07 PM by teletype, Thunderbird leader The Real
    >>> Bev called the control tower to announce :
    >>>
    >>>> Herb wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 05.07.2007 17:21 UK Time, The Real Bev wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> far. I don't like the new 'view' box, though. It used to have
    >>>>>> all my newly-created options on the first screen, but now it's a
    >>>>>> sub-screen. I hate sub-screens.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> What do you mean by 'view' box?
    >>>>>
    >>>> http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=viewboxae8.jpg
    >>>>
    >>>> The fill-in box ("All") in the center that says 'View' to the left.
    >>>> It might be a creation of one of the toolbar extensions, but I don't
    >>>> remember a time when I didn't have it.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> Agh, the Search Bar which in 1.5 is just above the thread pane in the
    >>> wide 3 pane view. Killed that wastrel the first day. Hope the Tb 2
    >>> is not going to push that in my face.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Nah... About the only thing you're stuck with on v2 is the fru fru
    >> icons. The rest you can turn off.
    >> http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/moz-screenshot-72.jpg
    >>
    >>

    >
    > at least you have a nice-looking UI... (with the icons, it would look
    > much the same as mine).
    >
    > If you would like more screen space, you can reduce the gap between the
    > vertical offset lines with this in your profiles\ chrome userContent.css
    >
    > blockquote[type=cite] {
    > padding: 3px ! important;
    > border-right: none ! important;
    > }
    > the padding, set to 3 px is the secret!
    >
    > http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?i...board02yd2.jpg
    >
    > reg
    >

    I thought it looked about as bland as a bucket of poi.
    And too many PANES.


    --
    Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

  6. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    Star date 7/6/2007 8:34 AM by teletype, Thunderbird leader Ron Hunter
    called the control tower to announce :
    > Ron K. wrote:
    >
    >> Star date 7/6/2007 4:00 AM by teletype, Thunderbird leader Ron Hunter
    >> called the control tower to announce :Ron K. wrote:
    >>
    >>>> Star date 7/5/2007 5:54 AM by teletype, Thunderbird leader d d called
    >>>> the control tower to announce :
    >>>>
    >>>>> I see messages here that start with "I'm using TB1.5 and
    >>>>> doing this, this and this, but this doesn't work". I can't
    >>>>> help but wonder why they don't upgrade to 2.0.0.4.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ~dd
    >>>>>
    >>>> Because it is still not available through the official update
    >>>> channel. Until it is there are thousands who do not know that Tb
    >>>> 2.x.x even exists.
    >>>>
    >>> Say what? Turn on notification of updates, not automatic updates, and
    >>> you should get a notice.
    >>>

    >> Still not available in the release channel, said after just running a
    >> manual check.

    > o just manually download the program. It's really not that difficult,
    > and many users have better luck with the 'full install'. The 2.0.0.4
    > release IS the current release version.


    I have been using Tb since week 5 of the project and have paid my dues.
    Now I am content to get updates when the build engineers have a build
    ready to ship.

    --
    Ron K.
    Don't be a fonted, it's just type casting

  7. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    Vicks Rocz wrote:
    > On 7/5/2007 05:17 PM India Time, _squaredancer_ wrote:
    >
    >> On 05.07.2007 11:54, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused d d to
    >> generate the following:? :
    >>> I see messages here that start with "I'm using TB1.5 and
    >>> doing this, this and this, but this doesn't work". I can't
    >>> help but wonder why they don't upgrade to 2.0.0.4.
    >>>
    >>> ~dd
    >>>

    >> because....
    >>
    >> some of us believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
    >>
    >> some of us actually read the difficulties that *hundreds* of posts
    >> indicate
    >>
    >> some of us *DO NOT WANT* the bells and whistles that the devs claim to
    >> be "security updates"
    >>
    >> some of us ask themselves "why the hell do those twits update and then
    >> complain here about all the problems the update brought them"?
    >>
    >> reason enough??????
    >>
    >> reg - very happy with 1.5.0.9

    >
    > Good list.
    >
    > I update to newer versions after some times they get released so that I
    > give time to my extensions to become compatible.
    >
    > However, I am still not sure that I have seen anything really NEW AND
    > USEFUL in TB 2* that was not there in TB 1.5. All that security updates
    > etc. might be important but they are actually patches and they should
    > not have called a new version release, otherwise WINDOWS with its almost
    > daily security would have gone to a version counting the number of since
    > it has been released.


    Windows is only updated once per month nowadays (second Monday each
    month it seems), and by just counting the number of bugs it seems that
    FF has significantly more bugs than IE (not mentioning some FF/TB bugs
    that seem to take ages to correct).

    --
    th

  8. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    On 06.07.2007 17:12, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused th to generate
    the following:? :
    > Vicks Rocz wrote:
    >
    >> On 7/5/2007 05:17 PM India Time, _squaredancer_ wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> On 05.07.2007 11:54, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused d d to
    >>> generate the following:? :
    >>>
    >>>> I see messages here that start with "I'm using TB1.5 and
    >>>> doing this, this and this, but this doesn't work". I can't
    >>>> help but wonder why they don't upgrade to 2.0.0.4.
    >>>>
    >>>> ~dd
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> because....
    >>>
    >>> some of us believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
    >>>
    >>> some of us actually read the difficulties that *hundreds* of posts
    >>> indicate
    >>>
    >>> some of us *DO NOT WANT* the bells and whistles that the devs claim to
    >>> be "security updates"
    >>>
    >>> some of us ask themselves "why the hell do those twits update and then
    >>> complain here about all the problems the update brought them"?
    >>>
    >>> reason enough??????
    >>>
    >>> reg - very happy with 1.5.0.9
    >>>

    >> Good list.
    >>
    >> I update to newer versions after some times they get released so that I
    >> give time to my extensions to become compatible.
    >>
    >> However, I am still not sure that I have seen anything really NEW AND
    >> USEFUL in TB 2* that was not there in TB 1.5. All that security updates
    >> etc. might be important but they are actually patches and they should
    >> not have called a new version release, otherwise WINDOWS with its almost
    >> daily security would have gone to a version counting the number of since
    >> it has been released.
    >>

    >
    > Windows is only updated once per month nowadays (second Monday each
    > month it seems), and by just counting the number of bugs it seems that
    > FF has significantly more bugs than IE (not mentioning some FF/TB bugs
    > that seem to take ages to correct).
    >
    >


    I recall reading (I think that Chris I posted it) that the TB and FF
    bugs are *ONLY* corrected/cured IF AND WHEN they affect the *current*
    release version. Bugs that were encountered in previous versions are
    left to die a natural death, which is why there are still version 1.5.*
    bugs on the list that are 3-5 years old! No chance that they will ever
    be seen to!
    I wonder if this is why the Versions are so fast in being upgraded,
    instead of more sub-versions???

    reg

  9. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    Ron Hunter wrote:
    > clay wrote:
    >> Ron K. wrote:
    >>> Star date 7/5/2007 3:07 PM by teletype, Thunderbird leader The Real
    >>> Bev called the control tower to announce :
    >>>> Herb wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 05.07.2007 17:21 UK Time, The Real Bev wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> far. I don't like the new 'view' box, though. It used to have
    >>>>>> all my newly-created options on the first screen, but now it's a
    >>>>>> sub-screen. I hate sub-screens.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> What do you mean by 'view' box?
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=viewboxae8.jpg
    >>>>
    >>>> The fill-in box ("All") in the center that says 'View' to the left.
    >>>> It might be a creation of one of the toolbar extensions, but I don't
    >>>> remember a time when I didn't have it.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> Agh, the Search Bar which in 1.5 is just above the thread pane in the
    >>> wide 3 pane view. Killed that wastrel the first day. Hope the Tb 2
    >>> is not going to push that in my face.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Nah... About the only thing you're stuck with on v2 is the fru fru
    >> icons. The rest you can turn off.
    >> http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/moz-screenshot-72.jpg
    >>

    >
    > You appear to have eliminated the icons. BTW, there ARE themes so that
    > you can chose icons you like, if you wish, as I have.
    >

    I don't like icons. They take up space, use resources (gonna get flamed
    for that) and add unnecessary clutter to the apps.
    Since I mostly use key commands I could probably remove the text 'icons'
    as well. Guess I leave them for the times my hand is on the mouse and in
    the neighborhood, click 'um instead of wandering back to the keyboard.

  10. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    squaredancer wrote:
    > On 06.07.2007 09:59, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Ron Hunter to
    > generate the following:? :...
    >>
    >> I suppose you ignore those 'recall notices' you get on your car, too.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > my car's a 1993 diesel - got about 140.000 miles on the clock (Europe's
    > a small place) and does about 47 miles/US gallon (56 miles UK gallon).
    > Not had a recall in those 14 years (it's not a US model *lol*) and I can
    > change the headlight bulbs in about 3 minutes!
    >
    > If NS 4.72 or 7.02 were still viable options, I would also be using them
    > (see many posts on the MTMM and NTMM groups). As I have stated quite
    > often, not all advancements are *progress*
    >
    > reg



    4.7x was a very good era. (I'm tinkering with getting it going on this
    box, just for fun...)
    (...and my '83 with 250k had any recalls dealt with back when the only
    recall some of you knew about was the recess bell.*g*)

  11. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    On 7/6/2007 Ron Hunter wrote:
    > For me, the most useful feature of TB 2 is the ability to move the
    > 'folder pane' to a drop-down menu. I see no reason to take up 1/4 of
    > my screen space for information needed only momentarily when changing
    > newsgroups or email folders.
    >

    Ron: how do you do that?

    --
    Irwin

    Please do not use my email address to make requests for help.

    Knowledge Base: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Main_Page

  12. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    On 7/6/2007 1:43 PM On a whim, Irwin Greenwald pounded out on the keyboard

    > On 7/6/2007 Ron Hunter wrote:
    >> For me, the most useful feature of TB 2 is the ability to move the
    >> 'folder pane' to a drop-down menu. I see no reason to take up 1/4 of
    >> my screen space for information needed only momentarily when changing
    >> newsgroups or email folders.
    >>

    > Ron: how do you do that?
    >


    Right click on the toolbar, Customize. Drag the "Folder location" to
    where desired.

    --
    Terry R.
    Anti-spam measures are included in my email address.
    Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.

  13. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    On 7/6/2007 1:05 AM On a whim, Ron Hunter pounded out on the keyboard

    > clay wrote:
    >> Vicks Rocz wrote:
    >>> On 7/5/2007 05:17 PM India Time, _squaredancer_ wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 05.07.2007 11:54, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused d d to
    >>>> generate the following:? :
    >>>>> I see messages here that start with "I'm using TB1.5 and
    >>>>> doing this, this and this, but this doesn't work". I can't
    >>>>> help but wonder why they don't upgrade to 2.0.0.4.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ~dd
    >>>>>
    >>>> because....
    >>>>
    >>>> some of us believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
    >>>>
    >>>> some of us actually read the difficulties that *hundreds* of posts
    >>>> indicate
    >>>>
    >>>> some of us *DO NOT WANT* the bells and whistles that the devs claim
    >>>> to be "security updates"
    >>>>
    >>>> some of us ask themselves "why the hell do those twits update and
    >>>> then complain here about all the problems the update brought them"?
    >>>>
    >>>> reason enough??????
    >>>>
    >>>> reg - very happy with 1.5.0.9
    >>> Good list.
    >>>
    >>> I update to newer versions after some times they get released so that
    >>> I give time to my extensions to become compatible.
    >>>
    >>> However, I am still not sure that I have seen anything really NEW AND
    >>> USEFUL in TB 2* that was not there in TB 1.5. All that security
    >>> updates etc. might be important but they are actually patches and they
    >>> should not have called a new version release, otherwise WINDOWS with
    >>> its almost daily security would have gone to a version counting the
    >>> number of since it has been released.
    >>>
    >>> I feel all that noise about something great coming TB 2.0 was
    >>> unjustified and, in a way, TB 2.0 has just fooled us by giving the
    >>> same old wine in the old bottle just changing the label on the bottle.
    >>>

    >> Something got changed in 2.0 which, for me anyway, is one of the more
    >> apparent 'fixes' that I've ever seen in a new release.
    >> I leave TB open 24-7 on my work box. Occasionally I have to close it for
    >> one reason or another.
    >> All prior versions of TB would run on for 5-10 minutes after closing the
    >> GUI.
    >> V2.x closes immediately. Usually faster than I can get task manager open
    >> to see if it's gone.
    >> That by itself is worth the price of admission.
    >>

    >
    > For me, the most useful feature of TB 2 is the ability to move the
    > 'folder pane' to a drop-down menu. I see no reason to take up 1/4 of my
    > screen space for information needed only momentarily when changing
    > newsgroups or email folders.
    >
    >


    Does anyone have the hack to change the width of that folder pane? It's
    too narrow for me, otherwise I'd probably use it too.

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  14. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    On 7/6/07 11:56 AM, _squaredancer_ spoke thusly:
    > I recall reading (I think that Chris I posted it) that the TB and FF
    > bugs are *ONLY* corrected/cured IF AND WHEN they affect the *current*
    > release version. Bugs that were encountered in previous versions are
    > left to die a natural death, which is why there are still version 1.5.*
    > bugs on the list that are 3-5 years old!


    I don't recall ever saying that. You must be mistaking me for someone
    else, or misinterpreting something I said. Do you have a link to the post?
    --
    Chris Ilias
    List-owner: support-firefox, support-thunderbird, test-multimedia

  15. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    *-* On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:31:57 +0200,
    *-* In Article oL6dnWwFD6izqxPbnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@mozilla.org,
    *-* squaredancer wrote
    *-* About Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    [ ... ]

    > If you would like more screen space, you can reduce the gap between
    > the vertical offset lines with this in your profiles\ chrome
    > userContent.css


    > blockquote[type=cite] {
    > padding: 3px ! important;
    > border-right: none ! important;
    > }
    > the padding, set to 3 px is the secret!


    I have a variation on that in my userContent.css. In fact, I
    think I copied it from a post you made a few months ago, in which
    case, thanks. I kind of like the "balanced" look of having those
    vertical lines on both sides of the screen, so I omitted the
    "border-right: none ! important;" stipulation. I also found that the
    "padding" setting doesn't seem to affect the lines on the right side,
    and that a value of 4px gives the same spacing on both sides on my
    system. Again, thanks for providing me with the template.

    Ken Whiton

    FIDO: 1:132/152
    InterNet: kenwhiton@surfglobal.net.INVAL (remove the obvious to reply)

  16. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    d d wrote:
    > I see messages here that start with "I'm using TB1.5 and
    > doing this, this and this, but this doesn't work". I can't
    > help but wonder why they don't upgrade to 2.0.0.4.
    >
    > ~dd


    In my case when I am Windows, more than 1/2 of my extensions
    have not been upgraded for 2.x.x.x. Those extensions make
    handling hundreds of e-mails a day sufferable. I am now in
    Linux 90% of the time and it is driving me crazy using
    2.0.0.04 and not having my productivity extensions.

    Ciao . . . C.Joseph

    "A promise is nothing more than an attempt,
    to respond to an unreasonable request."

    * http://blog.tlerma.com/
    (A Windows professional's view of entering the Linux world)

  17. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    Ron K. wrote:
    > Star date 7/6/2007 8:34 AM by teletype, Thunderbird leader Ron Hunter
    > called the control tower to announce :
    >> Ron K. wrote:
    >>
    >>> Star date 7/6/2007 4:00 AM by teletype, Thunderbird leader Ron Hunter
    >>> called the control tower to announce :Ron K. wrote:
    >>>>> Star date 7/5/2007 5:54 AM by teletype, Thunderbird leader d d
    >>>>> called the control tower to announce :
    >>>>>> I see messages here that start with "I'm using TB1.5 and
    >>>>>> doing this, this and this, but this doesn't work". I can't
    >>>>>> help but wonder why they don't upgrade to 2.0.0.4.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> ~dd
    >>>>> Because it is still not available through the official update
    >>>>> channel. Until it is there are thousands who do not know that Tb
    >>>>> 2.x.x even exists.
    >>>> Say what? Turn on notification of updates, not automatic updates,
    >>>> and you should get a notice.
    >>> Still not available in the release channel, said after just running a
    >>> manual check.

    >> o just manually download the program. It's really not that difficult,
    >> and many users have better luck with the 'full install'. The 2.0.0.4
    >> release IS the current release version.

    >
    > I have been using Tb since week 5 of the project and have paid my dues.
    > Now I am content to get updates when the build engineers have a build
    > ready to ship.
    >

    It IS ready, it HAS shipped. I suppose you wait to reboot until MS
    sends someone out to press the buttons for you? It would seem that
    there is some difficulty with getting a reliable autoupdate from 1.5
    version to the 2.0 version, as this was promised some time ago.


    --
    Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

  18. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    th wrote:
    > Vicks Rocz wrote:
    >> On 7/5/2007 05:17 PM India Time, _squaredancer_ wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 05.07.2007 11:54, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused d d to
    >>> generate the following:? :
    >>>> I see messages here that start with "I'm using TB1.5 and
    >>>> doing this, this and this, but this doesn't work". I can't
    >>>> help but wonder why they don't upgrade to 2.0.0.4.
    >>>>
    >>>> ~dd
    >>>>
    >>> because....
    >>>
    >>> some of us believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
    >>>
    >>> some of us actually read the difficulties that *hundreds* of posts
    >>> indicate
    >>>
    >>> some of us *DO NOT WANT* the bells and whistles that the devs claim
    >>> to be "security updates"
    >>>
    >>> some of us ask themselves "why the hell do those twits update and
    >>> then complain here about all the problems the update brought them"?
    >>>
    >>> reason enough??????
    >>>
    >>> reg - very happy with 1.5.0.9

    >>
    >> Good list.
    >>
    >> I update to newer versions after some times they get released so that
    >> I give time to my extensions to become compatible.
    >>
    >> However, I am still not sure that I have seen anything really NEW AND
    >> USEFUL in TB 2* that was not there in TB 1.5. All that security
    >> updates etc. might be important but they are actually patches and they
    >> should not have called a new version release, otherwise WINDOWS with
    >> its almost daily security would have gone to a version counting the
    >> number of since it has been released.

    >
    > Windows is only updated once per month nowadays (second Monday each
    > month it seems), and by just counting the number of bugs it seems that
    > FF has significantly more bugs than IE (not mentioning some FF/TB bugs
    > that seem to take ages to correct).
    >


    Well, for one thing, MS has a programmer or two more than Mozilla, and
    MS PAYS its programmers, so they can expect more from them. And does
    your new car have more bugs in it because you don't have to take it to
    the shop as much as your old one?
    BTW, hardly a month goes by without one, or more, of the MS patches
    being specifically for IE. And MS often issues patches between the
    monthly updates, as they did last month.


    --
    Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

  19. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    squaredancer wrote:
    > On 06.07.2007 17:12, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused th to generate
    > the following:? :
    >> Vicks Rocz wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 7/5/2007 05:17 PM India Time, _squaredancer_ wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> On 05.07.2007 11:54, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused d d to
    >>>> generate the following:? :
    >>>>
    >>>>> I see messages here that start with "I'm using TB1.5 and
    >>>>> doing this, this and this, but this doesn't work". I can't
    >>>>> help but wonder why they don't upgrade to 2.0.0.4.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ~dd
    >>>>>
    >>>> because....
    >>>>
    >>>> some of us believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
    >>>>
    >>>> some of us actually read the difficulties that *hundreds* of posts
    >>>> indicate
    >>>>
    >>>> some of us *DO NOT WANT* the bells and whistles that the devs claim
    >>>> to be "security updates"
    >>>>
    >>>> some of us ask themselves "why the hell do those twits update and
    >>>> then complain here about all the problems the update brought them"?
    >>>>
    >>>> reason enough??????
    >>>>
    >>>> reg - very happy with 1.5.0.9
    >>>>
    >>> Good list.
    >>>
    >>> I update to newer versions after some times they get released so that
    >>> I give time to my extensions to become compatible.
    >>>
    >>> However, I am still not sure that I have seen anything really NEW AND
    >>> USEFUL in TB 2* that was not there in TB 1.5. All that security
    >>> updates etc. might be important but they are actually patches and
    >>> they should not have called a new version release, otherwise WINDOWS
    >>> with its almost daily security would have gone to a version counting
    >>> the number of since it has been released.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Windows is only updated once per month nowadays (second Monday each
    >> month it seems), and by just counting the number of bugs it seems that
    >> FF has significantly more bugs than IE (not mentioning some FF/TB bugs
    >> that seem to take ages to correct).
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I recall reading (I think that Chris I posted it) that the TB and FF
    > bugs are *ONLY* corrected/cured IF AND WHEN they affect the *current*
    > release version. Bugs that were encountered in previous versions are
    > left to die a natural death, which is why there are still version 1.5.*
    > bugs on the list that are 3-5 years old! No chance that they will ever
    > be seen to!
    > I wonder if this is why the Versions are so fast in being upgraded,
    > instead of more sub-versions???
    >
    > reg


    I am not sure there is any real standard as to when a version gets from,
    say 1.5 to 2 or 2.3 to 3.0. Addition of major new features has
    something to do with it, but quantifying this is pretty difficult, from
    the outside, looking in.
    Perhaps someone can enlighten us.


    --
    Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

  20. Re: Why is anyone still using TB1.5 ?

    clay wrote:
    > Ron Hunter wrote:
    >> clay wrote:
    >>> Ron K. wrote:
    >>>> Star date 7/5/2007 3:07 PM by teletype, Thunderbird leader The Real
    >>>> Bev called the control tower to announce :
    >>>>> Herb wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On 05.07.2007 17:21 UK Time, The Real Bev wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> far. I don't like the new 'view' box, though. It used to have
    >>>>>>> all my newly-created options on the first screen, but now it's a
    >>>>>>> sub-screen. I hate sub-screens.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>> What do you mean by 'view' box?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=viewboxae8.jpg
    >>>>>
    >>>>> The fill-in box ("All") in the center that says 'View' to the
    >>>>> left. It might be a creation of one of the toolbar extensions, but
    >>>>> I don't remember a time when I didn't have it.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>> Agh, the Search Bar which in 1.5 is just above the thread pane in
    >>>> the wide 3 pane view. Killed that wastrel the first day. Hope the
    >>>> Tb 2 is not going to push that in my face.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Nah... About the only thing you're stuck with on v2 is the fru fru
    >>> icons. The rest you can turn off.
    >>> http://home.pacbell.net/clayt/moz-screenshot-72.jpg
    >>>

    >>
    >> You appear to have eliminated the icons. BTW, there ARE themes so
    >> that you can chose icons you like, if you wish, as I have.
    >>

    > I don't like icons. They take up space, use resources (gonna get flamed
    > for that) and add unnecessary clutter to the apps.
    > Since I mostly use key commands I could probably remove the text 'icons'
    > as well. Guess I leave them for the times my hand is on the mouse and in
    > the neighborhood, click 'um instead of wandering back to the keyboard.


    I usually use both text and icons, just to add a little color to the
    interface, but I use a pretty frugal (of space) theme. On FF, I have
    the interface quite customized to conserve screen space.


    --
    Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

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