What about the junk filter? - Mozilla

This is a discussion on What about the junk filter? - Mozilla ; Moz Champion (Dan) wrote: >> Now for the question: >> Does TB's JMC learn ham? If so, how (other than marking the rare >> message that is mis-identified as spam as "not junk")? > > In a minimal manner. > ...

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    Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    >> Now for the question:
    >> Does TB's JMC learn ham? If so, how (other than marking the rare
    >> message that is mis-identified as spam as "not junk")?

    >
    > In a minimal manner.
    > When you first start JMC, all messages are marked as spam until you mark
    > some as non junk (and restart). Then all messages are not marked as spam
    > until you mark some as junk (and restart)



    Um, it didn't do that when I started JMC. There are ~120 messages in my
    inbox - *none* were marked as spam. To date, I have marked ~10 messages
    as ham (all new messages which were false positives). That would seem to
    be massively insufficient based on every whitepaper I've ever read on
    Baysian filtering.


    > But, then, why does it need to? A catch ratio of 99.8% is hardly poor or
    > non effective.


    You must not have seen my other reply to this statistic. My effective rate
    is closer to 92% - and that's combining JMC with SpamAssassin on the server...



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  2. Re: What about the junk filter?

    Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
    > And telling them what works for me so well is NOT the best option
    > available? It works, it works well, and it takes almost no time at all
    > to do it. Thats not a good option?


    Bluntly - no, it's not.

    A developer needs to make sure that something WORKS for everyone. Until it
    does, they cannot claim that the product "works".

    Me, and others, have repeatedly said that we are experiencing catch rates
    of FAR less than the 99.8% you claim. And from what I can tell, we're all
    doing pretty much the same thing you are doing (after all, there isn't
    alot of tweaking to be done in the JMC).


    > One again, you are telling flies they cant fly, well, the flies aint
    > listening!
    >
    > What works, works. Period.
    >
    > You can explain again and again and again why flies CANT fly. But they
    > do. You can explain again and again and again why the way I suggest
    > SHOULDNT work, but the fact of the matter is, it does work. Period.


    No - they are stating that THEIR flies are flying. Not theory - fact. We
    are trying to figure out how to get our flies to fly. The fact that your
    flies can fly is all well and good, but it doesn't mean squadoosh to
    everyone else.

    According to whitepapers on Baysian filters that have been around for far
    longer than TB, teaching the filter about both spam AND ham is the best way
    to do it.



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  3. Re: What about the junk filter?

    The attached message was not marked as spam by JMC.



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  4. Re: What about the junk filter?

    On 22/01/2007 21:11, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Chris Barnes
    to generate the following:? :
    > The attached message was not marked as spam by JMC.
    >
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    *lol* Chris...

    TB actually *KNOWS* that you want to get a new TV...

    reg

  5. Re: What about the junk filter?

    squaredancer wrote:
    > *lol* Chris...
    >
    > TB actually *KNOWS* that you want to get a new TV...



    It must think I need Cialis too. :-O

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  6. Re: What about the junk filter?

    Chris Barnes wrote:
    > squaredancer wrote:
    >> *lol* Chris...
    >>
    >> TB actually *KNOWS* that you want to get a new TV...

    >
    >
    > It must think I need Cialis too. :-O
    >

    i want a woman,and V1@gr@ to.

  7. Re: What about the junk filter?

    Chris Barnes wrote:
    > squaredancer wrote:
    >> *lol* Chris...
    >>
    >> TB actually *KNOWS* that you want to get a new TV...

    >
    >
    > It must think I need Cialis too. :-O
    >

    Wellllllll! If you was watching the TV you wouldn't the
    Cialis. ;-)
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  8. Re: What about the junk filter?

    On 25/01/2007 01:21, CET - what odd quirk of fate caused Phillip M.
    Jones, C.E.T to generate the following:? :
    > Chris Barnes wrote:
    >
    >> squaredancer wrote:
    >>
    >>> *lol* Chris...
    >>>
    >>> TB actually *KNOWS* that you want to get a new TV...
    >>>

    >> It must think I need Cialis too. :-O
    >>
    >>

    > Wellllllll! If you was watching the TV you wouldn't the
    > Cialis. ;-)
    >

    THANK YOU, Phillip.... I *knew* I was missing something... couldn't for
    life of me remember what...

    reg

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