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  1. THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    I can't get Thunderbird to start, even in safe mode or without
    extensions! I had recently deleted a lot [but not all] of E-mail
    accounts. Scan for viruses or worms shows nothing. HelllllPPPPPPPP!


  2. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    > I can't get Thunderbird to start, even in safe mode or without
    > extensions! I had recently deleted a lot [but not all] of E-mail
    > accounts. Scan for viruses or worms shows nothing. HelllllPPPPPPPP!
    >

    bring up the task manager [ctrl+alt+del] and make sure its not still
    running in the background. If it is then end it.

    --
    Amazingly Simple Home Remedies . . .

    Have a bad toothache? Smash your thumb with a hammer and you will
    forget all about that toothache.

  3. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    T-bird Leader Hoggins! radioed the tower On 8/30/2006 3:58 PM:

    > gwtc a écrit :
    >> SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    >> bring up the task manager [ctrl+alt+del] and make sure its not still
    >> running in the background. If it is then end it.
    >>

    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    > Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from running
    > it again without manually deleting it.
    > It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like that.
    > Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that case, why do
    > we have to remove it manually ?
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Hoggins!


    When you close TB some systems do not do it cleanly when the X is used.
    In that case use the File menu Exit option. That method is more reliable.

    --
    Ron K.
    Don't be a fonted, it's just type casting.

  4. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    Hoggins! wrote:
    > gwtc a écrit :
    >> SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    >> bring up the task manager [ctrl+alt+del] and make sure its not still
    >> running in the background. If it is then end it.
    >>

    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    > Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from running
    > it again without manually deleting it.
    > It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like that.
    > Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that case, why do
    > we have to remove it manually ?
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Hoggins!

    they don't know! It could be many things. It happens to you but not
    to me, thats the problem. Some say its because of a faulty message
    [usually spam] that was trying to download and got stuck. Others say
    its because of a theme or an extension, or even RSS feeds. Others say
    its because of the way you close the program. It should be from File,
    Close/Exit/Quit [depending on your OS]. Then there are others.

    The same problem occurs in FF. Reasons, there's many, such as themes
    and extensions, java, javascripts, streaming audio/video, and even
    closing the program, just to name a few.

    As I said, they can pinpoint the problem when it happens to some and
    not to others. And for those its happening to, they each give a
    different excuss.

    --
    Amazingly Simple Home Remedies . . .

    Have a bad toothache? Smash your thumb with a hammer and you will
    forget all about that toothache.

  5. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    Hoggins! wrote:

    > BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    > Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from running
    > it again without manually deleting it.
    > It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like that.
    > Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that case, why do
    > we have to remove it manually ?
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Hoggins!


    I had the same problem on a machine with Win98 SE. Switched to XP Pro
    and no problem. Actually had the same problem with Netscape 7 for years
    although ver 6 wasn't a problem. Thought it might be genetic!

  6. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    Ron K. wrote:
    > T-bird Leader Hoggins! radioed the tower On 8/30/2006 3:58 PM:
    >
    >> gwtc a écrit :
    >>> SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    >>> bring up the task manager [ctrl+alt+del] and make sure its not still
    >>> running in the background. If it is then end it.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    >> Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from
    >> running it again without manually deleting it.
    >> It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like
    >> that. Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that case,
    >> why do we have to remove it manually ?
    >>
    >> Thanks
    >>
    >> Hoggins!

    >
    > When you close TB some systems do not do it cleanly when the X is used.
    > In that case use the File menu Exit option. That method is more reliable.
    >

    you see thats the problem. It happens to some, but for me, I've never
    had that problem.

    --
    Amazingly Simple Home Remedies . . .

    Have a bad toothache? Smash your thumb with a hammer and you will
    forget all about that toothache.

  7. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    gwtc wrote:
    > Hoggins! wrote:
    >> gwtc a écrit :
    >>> SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    >>> bring up the task manager [ctrl+alt+del] and make sure its not still
    >>> running in the background. If it is then end it.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    >> Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from
    >> running it again without manually deleting it.
    >> It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like
    >> that. Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that case,
    >> why do we have to remove it manually ?
    >>
    >> Thanks
    >>
    >> Hoggins!

    > they don't know! It could be many things. It happens to you but not to
    > me, thats the problem. Some say its because of a faulty message
    > [usually spam] that was trying to download and got stuck. Others say
    > its because of a theme or an extension, or even RSS feeds. Others say
    > its because of the way you close the program. It should be from File,
    > Close/Exit/Quit [depending on your OS]. Then there are others.
    >
    > The same problem occurs in FF. Reasons, there's many, such as themes
    > and extensions, java, javascripts, streaming audio/video, and even
    > closing the program, just to name a few.
    >
    > As I said, they can pinpoint the problem when it happens to some and not
    > to others. And for those its happening to, they each give a different
    > excuss.
    >


    see this bug report :
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246909
    ( FIXED for IMAP )

  8. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    T-bird Leader gwtc radioed the tower On 8/30/2006 4:24 PM:

    > Ron K. wrote:
    >> T-bird Leader Hoggins! radioed the tower On 8/30/2006 3:58 PM:
    >>
    >>> gwtc a écrit :
    >>>> SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    >>>> bring up the task manager [ctrl+alt+del] and make sure its not still
    >>>> running in the background. If it is then end it.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Hi,
    >>>
    >>> BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    >>> Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from
    >>> running it again without manually deleting it.
    >>> It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like
    >>> that. Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that case,
    >>> why do we have to remove it manually ?
    >>>
    >>> Thanks
    >>>
    >>> Hoggins!

    >>
    >> When you close TB some systems do not do it cleanly when the X is
    >> used. In that case use the File menu Exit option. That method is more
    >> reliable.
    >>

    > you see thats the problem. It happens to some, but for me, I've never
    > had that problem.
    >


    I have had it happen once or maybe twice with each of FF and TB. The
    occurence for me is rare, and not any worse than some other Windows 9x
    applications. Hard to call it a bug according to our experience. Given
    the wide range of configuration options tracing why it happens to a few is
    daunting.

    --
    Ron K.
    Don't be a fonted, it's just type casting.

  9. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START - The cure


    SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    > I can't get Thunderbird to start, even in safe mode or without
    > extensions! I had recently deleted a lot [but not all] of E-mail
    > accounts. Scan for viruses or worms shows nothing. HelllllPPPPPPPP!



    It was not a close down problem because even if I turned off the
    computer for 10 minutes that didn't help. I wound up manually
    deleting/uninstalling EVERTHING. Fortunately, I had a copy of my e-mail
    address books. All the saved e-mail was lost. Probably not a tragedy.


  10. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    T-bird Leader Nir radioed the tower On 8/30/2006 4:49 PM:

    > gwtc wrote:
    >> Hoggins! wrote:
    >>> gwtc a écrit :
    >>>> SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    >>>> bring up the task manager [ctrl+alt+del] and make sure its not still
    >>>> running in the background. If it is then end it.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Hi,
    >>>
    >>> BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    >>> Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from
    >>> running it again without manually deleting it.
    >>> It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like
    >>> that. Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that case,
    >>> why do we have to remove it manually ?
    >>>
    >>> Thanks
    >>>
    >>> Hoggins!

    >> they don't know! It could be many things. It happens to you but not
    >> to me, thats the problem. Some say its because of a faulty message
    >> [usually spam] that was trying to download and got stuck. Others say
    >> its because of a theme or an extension, or even RSS feeds. Others say
    >> its because of the way you close the program. It should be from File,
    >> Close/Exit/Quit [depending on your OS]. Then there are others.
    >>
    >> The same problem occurs in FF. Reasons, there's many, such as themes
    >> and extensions, java, javascripts, streaming audio/video, and even
    >> closing the program, just to name a few.
    >>
    >> As I said, they can pinpoint the problem when it happens to some and
    >> not to others. And for those its happening to, they each give a
    >> different excuss.
    >>

    >
    > see this bug report : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246909
    > ( FIXED for IMAP )


    The IMAP issue was only one cause and it's fix never addressed the POP3 or
    NNTP protocols which could also have connection close issues to block the
    TB.exe processes from shutting down. I was on the CC of this bug and two
    others that were related.

    --
    Ron K.
    Don't be a fonted, it's just type casting.

  11. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    T-bird Leader Lee radioed the tower On 8/30/2006 4:22 PM:

    > Hoggins! wrote:
    >
    >> BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    >> Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from
    >> running it again without manually deleting it.
    >> It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like
    >> that. Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that case,
    >> why do we have to remove it manually ?
    >>
    >> Thanks
    >>
    >> Hoggins!

    >
    > I had the same problem on a machine with Win98 SE. Switched to XP Pro
    > and no problem. Actually had the same problem with Netscape 7 for years
    > although ver 6 wasn't a problem. Thought it might be genetic!


    When you switched to XP were you also getting a hardware upgrade? You may
    have gotten the benefit of enhanced multi-threading that permitted more
    timely processing of a thread needed to signal that TB was done and ready
    for closure.

    --
    Ron K.
    Don't be a fonted, it's just type casting.

  12. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    Nir wrote:
    > gwtc wrote:
    >> Hoggins! wrote:
    >>> gwtc a écrit :
    >>>> SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    >>>> bring up the task manager [ctrl+alt+del] and make sure its not still
    >>>> running in the background. If it is then end it.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Hi,
    >>>
    >>> BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    >>> Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from
    >>> running it again without manually deleting it.
    >>> It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like
    >>> that. Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that case,
    >>> why do we have to remove it manually ?
    >>>
    >>> Thanks
    >>>
    >>> Hoggins!

    >> they don't know! It could be many things. It happens to you but not
    >> to me, thats the problem. Some say its because of a faulty message
    >> [usually spam] that was trying to download and got stuck. Others say
    >> its because of a theme or an extension, or even RSS feeds. Others say
    >> its because of the way you close the program. It should be from File,
    >> Close/Exit/Quit [depending on your OS]. Then there are others.
    >>
    >> The same problem occurs in FF. Reasons, there's many, such as themes
    >> and extensions, java, javascripts, streaming audio/video, and even
    >> closing the program, just to name a few.
    >>
    >> As I said, they can pinpoint the problem when it happens to some and
    >> not to others. And for those its happening to, they each give a
    >> different excuss.
    >>

    >
    > see this bug report : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246909
    > ( FIXED for IMAP )

    but I have pop and I don't have any of those problems

    --
    Amazingly Simple Home Remedies . . .

    Have a bad toothache? Smash your thumb with a hammer and you will
    forget all about that toothache.

  13. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    gwtc wrote:
    > Nir wrote:
    >> gwtc wrote:
    >>> Hoggins! wrote:
    >>>> gwtc a écrit :
    >>>>> SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    >>>>> bring up the task manager [ctrl+alt+del] and make sure its not
    >>>>> still running in the background. If it is then end it.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Hi,
    >>>>
    >>>> BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    >>>> Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from
    >>>> running it again without manually deleting it.
    >>>> It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like
    >>>> that. Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that
    >>>> case, why do we have to remove it manually ?
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks
    >>>>
    >>>> Hoggins!
    >>> they don't know! It could be many things. It happens to you but not
    >>> to me, thats the problem. Some say its because of a faulty message
    >>> [usually spam] that was trying to download and got stuck. Others say
    >>> its because of a theme or an extension, or even RSS feeds. Others
    >>> say its because of the way you close the program. It should be from
    >>> File, Close/Exit/Quit [depending on your OS]. Then there are others.
    >>>
    >>> The same problem occurs in FF. Reasons, there's many, such as themes
    >>> and extensions, java, javascripts, streaming audio/video, and even
    >>> closing the program, just to name a few.
    >>>
    >>> As I said, they can pinpoint the problem when it happens to some and
    >>> not to others. And for those its happening to, they each give a
    >>> different excuss.
    >>>

    >>
    >> see this bug report : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246909
    >> ( FIXED for IMAP )

    > but I have pop and I don't have any of those problems
    >


    me too, i have faced this type of problem only in
    Firefox but never in Thunderbird. It's also true
    that i have never used IMAP . But Ron faced it in
    Thunderbird ( don't know whether he uses IMAP or
    not ) and many others ( see comments in Bug post )
    faced same problem with POP3.
    I think this problem is generated by different
    situations like 'periodic mail check', faulty
    extensions or themes and may be corrupted file in
    your installation folder, as you already mentioned.
    But one thing i like to say, i don't believe that
    File>Exit can solve this problem. It's the random
    nature of this problem that misguided Thunderbird
    users.

  14. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    Ron K. wrote:
    > T-bird Leader Nir radioed the tower On 8/30/2006 4:49 PM:
    >
    >> gwtc wrote:
    >>> Hoggins! wrote:
    >>>> gwtc a écrit :
    >>>>> SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    >>>>> bring up the task manager [ctrl+alt+del] and make sure its not
    >>>>> still running in the background. If it is then end it.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Hi,
    >>>>
    >>>> BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    >>>> Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from
    >>>> running it again without manually deleting it.
    >>>> It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like
    >>>> that. Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that
    >>>> case, why do we have to remove it manually ?
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks
    >>>>
    >>>> Hoggins!
    >>> they don't know! It could be many things. It happens to you but not
    >>> to me, thats the problem. Some say its because of a faulty message
    >>> [usually spam] that was trying to download and got stuck. Others say
    >>> its because of a theme or an extension, or even RSS feeds. Others
    >>> say its because of the way you close the program. It should be from
    >>> File, Close/Exit/Quit [depending on your OS]. Then there are others.
    >>>
    >>> The same problem occurs in FF. Reasons, there's many, such as themes
    >>> and extensions, java, javascripts, streaming audio/video, and even
    >>> closing the program, just to name a few.
    >>>
    >>> As I said, they can pinpoint the problem when it happens to some and
    >>> not to others. And for those its happening to, they each give a
    >>> different excuss.
    >>>

    >>
    >> see this bug report : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246909
    >> ( FIXED for IMAP )

    >
    > The IMAP issue was only one cause and it's fix never addressed the POP3
    > or NNTP protocols which could also have connection close issues to block
    > the TB.exe processes from shutting down. I was on the CC of this bug
    > and two others that were related.
    >


    yes , i think this Bug should be re-opened as
    there is no proper fix for Thunderbird what is
    available in case of similar problem in Firefox.

    [Actually The reporter of this bug , ' Hetz Ben
    Hamo' had never bothered to reply back in that bug
    report and 'Joshua Cope' also hadn't shown any
    further interest as his problem with IMAP was
    fixed .As a result that bug was marked as 'Fixed' ]

  15. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    Hoggins! wrote:
    > Nir a écrit :
    >> gwtc wrote:
    >>
    >> see this bug report : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246909
    >> ( FIXED for IMAP )

    >
    > Well, I use only IMAP, and it happens though. I have 5 IMAP accounts,
    > and I'm not sure about this, but what I think confirms the idea of a
    > message being stuck if its download causes a problem. Indeed, it happens
    > more often when I have connexion problems (material problems, such as a
    > lot of lost packets on ADSL link).
    > That's why there should be sort of a "timer" that stops the faulty
    > process when the transfer breaks.


    if you find your problem get solved by following
    the methods described in that bug report , please
    inform us also .

  16. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    T-bird Leader Nir radioed the tower On 8/31/2006 8:06 AM:

    > Ron K. wrote:
    >> T-bird Leader Nir radioed the tower On 8/30/2006 4:49 PM:
    >>
    >>> gwtc wrote:
    >>>> Hoggins! wrote:
    >>>>> gwtc a écrit :
    >>>>>> SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    >>>>>> bring up the task manager [ctrl+alt+del] and make sure its not
    >>>>>> still running in the background. If it is then end it.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Hi,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    >>>>> Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from
    >>>>> running it again without manually deleting it.
    >>>>> It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like
    >>>>> that. Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that
    >>>>> case, why do we have to remove it manually ?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thanks
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Hoggins!
    >>>> they don't know! It could be many things. It happens to you but
    >>>> not to me, thats the problem. Some say its because of a faulty
    >>>> message [usually spam] that was trying to download and got stuck.
    >>>> Others say its because of a theme or an extension, or even RSS
    >>>> feeds. Others say its because of the way you close the program. It
    >>>> should be from File, Close/Exit/Quit [depending on your OS]. Then
    >>>> there are others.
    >>>>
    >>>> The same problem occurs in FF. Reasons, there's many, such as
    >>>> themes and extensions, java, javascripts, streaming audio/video, and
    >>>> even closing the program, just to name a few.
    >>>>
    >>>> As I said, they can pinpoint the problem when it happens to some and
    >>>> not to others. And for those its happening to, they each give a
    >>>> different excuss.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> see this bug report :
    >>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246909
    >>> ( FIXED for IMAP )

    >>
    >> The IMAP issue was only one cause and it's fix never addressed the
    >> POP3 or NNTP protocols which could also have connection close issues
    >> to block the TB.exe processes from shutting down. I was on the CC of
    >> this bug and two others that were related.
    >>

    >
    > yes , i think this Bug should be re-opened as there is no proper fix for
    > Thunderbird what is available in case of similar problem in Firefox.
    >
    > [Actually The reporter of this bug , ' Hetz Ben Hamo' had never bothered
    > to reply back in that bug report and 'Joshua Cope' also hadn't shown
    > any further interest as his problem with IMAP was fixed .As a result
    > that bug was marked as 'Fixed' ]


    Yes and correctly so, as it's target was IMAP. Unfortunately during
    investigation of a related IMAP bug one of the devs detected a NNTP bug
    that was Dependant on the fix for the IMAP bug.

    --
    Ron K.
    Don't be a fonted, it's just type casting.

  17. Re: THUNDERBIRD WONT START

    T-bird Leader Nir radioed the tower On 8/31/2006 7:35 AM:

    > gwtc wrote:
    >> Nir wrote:
    >>> gwtc wrote:
    >>>> Hoggins! wrote:
    >>>>> gwtc a écrit :
    >>>>>> SKGCPA@gmail.com wrote:
    >>>>>> bring up the task manager [ctrl+alt+del] and make sure its not
    >>>>>> still running in the background. If it is then end it.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Hi,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> BTW, this strange behavior occurs quite often on my machine : a
    >>>>> Thunderbird process still runs when I closed TB, preventing from
    >>>>> running it again without manually deleting it.
    >>>>> It is quite annoying, and I would like to know why it behaves like
    >>>>> that. Is this process a bug, or just sort of a thread ? In that
    >>>>> case, why do we have to remove it manually ?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thanks
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Hoggins!
    >>>> they don't know! It could be many things. It happens to you but
    >>>> not to me, thats the problem. Some say its because of a faulty
    >>>> message [usually spam] that was trying to download and got stuck.
    >>>> Others say its because of a theme or an extension, or even RSS
    >>>> feeds. Others say its because of the way you close the program. It
    >>>> should be from File, Close/Exit/Quit [depending on your OS]. Then
    >>>> there are others.
    >>>>
    >>>> The same problem occurs in FF. Reasons, there's many, such as
    >>>> themes and extensions, java, javascripts, streaming audio/video, and
    >>>> even closing the program, just to name a few.
    >>>>
    >>>> As I said, they can pinpoint the problem when it happens to some and
    >>>> not to others. And for those its happening to, they each give a
    >>>> different excuss.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> see this bug report :
    >>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246909
    >>> ( FIXED for IMAP )

    >> but I have pop and I don't have any of those problems
    >>

    >
    > me too, i have faced this type of problem only in Firefox but never in
    > Thunderbird. It's also true that i have never used IMAP . But Ron faced
    > it in Thunderbird ( don't know whether he uses IMAP or not ) and many
    > others ( see comments in Bug post ) faced same problem with POP3.
    > I think this problem is generated by different situations like 'periodic
    > mail check', faulty extensions or themes and may be corrupted file in
    > your installation folder, as you already mentioned.
    > But one thing i like to say, i don't believe that File>Exit can solve
    > this problem. It's the random nature of this problem that misguided
    > Thunderbird users.


    I am POP3/SNMP and NNTP only. Never heard of IMAP until I began using TB
    0.1a about 6 weeks after the start of the TB project. I was aware of the
    MS MAPI protocols from my Windows for Workgroups 3.11 useage. But I digress...

    --
    Ron K.
    Don't be a fonted, it's just type casting.

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