Re: Help me plz - Mozilla

This is a discussion on Re: Help me plz - Mozilla ; On 23.05.2008 19:26, Daniel wrote: --- Original Message --- > Jay Garcia wrote: >> On 23.05.2008 00:30, Daniel wrote: >> >> --- Original Message --- >> >>> Jay Garcia wrote: >>>> On 22.05.2008 10:34, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: ...

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  1. Re: Help me plz

    On 23.05.2008 19:26, Daniel wrote:

    --- Original Message ---

    > Jay Garcia wrote:
    >> On 23.05.2008 00:30, Daniel wrote:
    >>
    >> --- Original Message ---
    >>
    >>> Jay Garcia wrote:
    >>>> On 22.05.2008 10:34, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> --- Original Message ---
    >>>>
    >>>>> Then you might have Chris I come in here and tell you this
    >>>>> server isn't Usenet.
    >>>> Well, it isn't "usenet", the posts are not propagated/fed to/from
    >>>> usenet, only Google.
    >>>>
    >>> Well!!!....almost, Jay.
    >>>
    >>> Daniel

    >>
    >> Technically speaking, it's not. Behavior-wise ... yup. :-)
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > Technically speaking, it it, sort off!!
    >
    > My Usenet ISP is news.teranews.com, and, if you check it out, it
    > provides groups m.s.seamonkey, m.s.firefox, etc.
    >
    > Now whilst the posts I see on the news.mozills.org server are not all
    > appearing there, the posts for the Thursday Thunderbird bug clean ups
    > program have been appearing on the teranews server group. Haven't
    > checked in a couple of weeks, so don't know if it's still happening!
    >
    > Daniel


    We've been through all this previously. n.m.o. groups are not propagated
    to usenet or teranews. You can get an explanation from someone else then.


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  2. Re: Help me plz

    Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    > Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.

    >
    > Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D
    >


    Isn't that a Church?? Or maybe its just short of Romania??

    Daniel

  3. Re: Help me plz

    Alexander wrote:
    > Jay Garcia wrote:
    >>
    >> Well, simply put, if you belong to a Chevie car club and you show up in
    >> a Ford .. 'nuff said! :-)
    >>

    >
    > That'd be posting off-topic. Your example would be rather like you
    > belong to a Chevie car club and one day show up in corduroy trousers
    > instead of blue jeans .
    >
    > Alexander
    >


    ....but who would wear cords in a Ford in any case??

    Daniel

  4. Re: Help me plz

    Jay Garcia wrote:
    > On 23.05.2008 19:26, Daniel wrote:
    >
    > --- Original Message ---
    >
    >> Jay Garcia wrote:
    >>> On 23.05.2008 00:30, Daniel wrote:
    >>>
    >>> --- Original Message ---
    >>>
    >>>> Jay Garcia wrote:
    >>>>> On 22.05.2008 10:34, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --- Original Message ---
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Then you might have Chris I come in here and tell you this
    >>>>>> server isn't Usenet.
    >>>>> Well, it isn't "usenet", the posts are not propagated/fed to/from
    >>>>> usenet, only Google.
    >>>>>
    >>>> Well!!!....almost, Jay.
    >>>>
    >>>> Daniel
    >>> Technically speaking, it's not. Behavior-wise ... yup. :-)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Technically speaking, it it, sort off!!
    >>
    >> My Usenet ISP is news.teranews.com, and, if you check it out, it
    >> provides groups m.s.seamonkey, m.s.firefox, etc.
    >>
    >> Now whilst the posts I see on the news.mozills.org server are not all
    >> appearing there, the posts for the Thursday Thunderbird bug clean ups
    >> program have been appearing on the teranews server group. Haven't
    >> checked in a couple of weeks, so don't know if it's still happening!
    >>
    >> Daniel

    >
    > We've been through all this previously. n.m.o. groups are not propagated
    > to usenet or teranews. You can get an explanation from someone else then.


    We've been through all this previously. [Some] n.m.o groups
    *are* propagated to [some] usenet [servers]. You can get an
    explanation from someone else then. :-)

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  5. Re: Help me plz

    Daniel wrote:
    > Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    >> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >>> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.

    >> Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D
    >>

    >
    > Isn't that a Church?? Or maybe its just short of Romania??
    >
    > Daniel


    he could have meant Roman Polanski, or roman a type of
    typeface, or the Actress Ruth Roman, or the town Roman of
    Romania, or the boxer Jose "King" Roman, or the Classical
    Musician Johan Helmich Roman, or . . . shall I continue?

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  6. Re: Help me plz

    Daniel wrote:
    > Alexander wrote:
    >> Jay Garcia wrote:
    >>> Well, simply put, if you belong to a Chevie car club and you show up in
    >>> a Ford .. 'nuff said! :-)
    >>>

    >> That'd be posting off-topic. Your example would be rather like you
    >> belong to a Chevie car club and one day show up in corduroy trousers
    >> instead of blue jeans .
    >>
    >> Alexander
    >>

    >
    > ...but who would wear cords in a Ford in any case??
    >
    > Daniel


    thats right, everytime you moved your leg to step on the gas
    and then the brakes, you'd hear this strange noise, and not
    realizing its coming from those damned cords.

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  7. Re: Help me plz

    On 23.05.2008 21:31, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

    --- Original Message ---

    > We've been through all this previously. [Some] n.m.o groups
    > *are* propagated to [some] usenet [servers]. You can get an
    > explanation from someone else then. :-)


    Really? Which ones?

    The COX "usenet" system carries two mozilla support groups:

    mozilla.support.firefox
    mozilla.support.thunderbird

    Both do not show any feeds from n.m.o. ... wonder why? Could it be that
    n.m.o does not feed to "usenet" or maybe some other "usenet"?

    My memory fails at times but I think one or two of your gang buddies
    mentioned that n.m.o is only fed to Google Groups.

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  8. Re: Help me plz

    On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:51:16 -0500
    Jay Garcia wrote:

    > On 23.05.2008 21:31, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    >
    > --- Original Message ---
    >
    > > We've been through all this previously. [Some] n.m.o groups
    > > *are* propagated to [some] usenet [servers]. You can get an
    > > explanation from someone else then. :-)

    >
    > Really? Which ones?
    >
    > The COX "usenet" system carries two mozilla support groups:
    >
    > mozilla.support.firefox
    > mozilla.support.thunderbird
    >
    > Both do not show any feeds from n.m.o. ... wonder why?


    Because you're right that they aren't fed to Usenet, heh.

    I think Giganews Usenet servers may also carry the groups (but not
    propagate them to other Usenet servers). Actually, I'm pretty sure
    they do, and that's how the Thunderbird cleanup posts escape -- those
    posts are crossposted to groups that /are/ Usenet groups, so they get
    propagated by Giganews. Here are the Path and Newsgroups headers of
    Teranews' copy of the latest one:

    Path:
    news.teranews.com!newsfeed.teranews.com!beE1!out03 b.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in04.usen etserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!nx01.iad01.news hosting.com!newshosting.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsf eed.fjserv.net!oleane.net!oleane!news.ecp.fr!borde r1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02 .nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.mozilla.org!news.mozil la.org.POSTED!not-for-mail

    Newsgroups:
    mozilla.dev.quality,mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird,m ozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey,mozilla.dev.apps.calenda r,mozilla.support.thunderbird,mozilla.support.seam onkey,netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news


  9. Re: Help me plz

    On Sat, 24 May 2008 10:58:38 +1000
    Daniel wrote:

    > Alexander wrote:
    > > Jay Garcia wrote:
    > >>
    > >> Well, simply put, if you belong to a Chevie car club and you show
    > >> up in a Ford .. 'nuff said! :-)

    > >
    > > That'd be posting off-topic. Your example would be rather like you
    > > belong to a Chevie car club and one day show up in corduroy
    > > trousers instead of blue jeans .

    >
    > ...but who would wear cords in a Ford in any case??


    The friction will only make the tank explode if you sit in the /back/
    seat.

  10. Re: Help me plz

    Q wrote:
    > On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:51:16 -0500
    > Jay Garcia wrote:
    >
    >> On 23.05.2008 21:31, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    >>
    >> --- Original Message ---
    >>
    >>> We've been through all this previously. [Some] n.m.o groups
    >>> *are* propagated to [some] usenet [servers]. You can get an
    >>> explanation from someone else then. :-)

    >> Really? Which ones?
    >>
    >> The COX "usenet" system carries two mozilla support groups:
    >>
    >> mozilla.support.firefox
    >> mozilla.support.thunderbird
    >>
    >> Both do not show any feeds from n.m.o. ... wonder why?

    >
    > Because you're right that they aren't fed to Usenet, heh.
    >
    > I think Giganews Usenet servers may also carry the groups (but not
    > propagate them to other Usenet servers). Actually, I'm pretty sure
    > they do, and that's how the Thunderbird cleanup posts escape -- those
    > posts are crossposted to groups that /are/ Usenet groups, so they get
    > propagated by Giganews. Here are the Path and Newsgroups headers of
    > Teranews' copy of the latest one:
    >
    > Path:
    > news.teranews.com!newsfeed.teranews.com!beE1!out03 b.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in04.usen etserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!nx01.iad01.news hosting.com!newshosting.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsf eed.fjserv.net!oleane.net!oleane!news.ecp.fr!borde r1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02 .nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.mozilla.org!news.mozil la.org.POSTED!not-for-mail
    >
    > Newsgroups:
    > mozilla.dev.quality,mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird,m ozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey,mozilla.dev.apps.calenda r,mozilla.support.thunderbird,mozilla.support.seam onkey,netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news
    >


    So are you saying, Q, that those who post m.s.thunderbird on
    news.teranews.com might think they are really posting to m.s.thunderbird
    on this server, and, therefore, getting help from the horses' mouth, so
    to speak??

    Daniel

  11. Re: Help me plz

    On 23.05.2008 23:20, Q wrote:

    --- Original Message ---

    > On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:51:16 -0500
    > Jay Garcia wrote:
    >
    >> On 23.05.2008 21:31, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    >>
    >> --- Original Message ---
    >>
    >> > We've been through all this previously. [Some] n.m.o groups
    >> > *are* propagated to [some] usenet [servers]. You can get an
    >> > explanation from someone else then. :-)

    >>
    >> Really? Which ones?
    >>
    >> The COX "usenet" system carries two mozilla support groups:
    >>
    >> mozilla.support.firefox
    >> mozilla.support.thunderbird
    >>
    >> Both do not show any feeds from n.m.o. ... wonder why?

    >
    > Because you're right that they aren't fed to Usenet, heh.
    >
    > I think Giganews Usenet servers may also carry the groups (but not
    > propagate them to other Usenet servers). Actually, I'm pretty sure
    > they do, and that's how the Thunderbird cleanup posts escape -- those
    > posts are crossposted to groups that /are/ Usenet groups, so they get
    > propagated by Giganews. Here are the Path and Newsgroups headers of
    > Teranews' copy of the latest one:
    >
    > Path:
    > news.teranews.com!newsfeed.teranews.com!beE1!out03 b.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!in04.usen etserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!nx01.iad01.news hosting.com!newshosting.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsf eed.fjserv.net!oleane.net!oleane!news.ecp.fr!borde r1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02 .nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.mozilla.org!news.mozil la.org.POSTED!not-for-mail
    >
    > Newsgroups:
    > mozilla.dev.quality,mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird,m ozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey,mozilla.dev.apps.calenda r,mozilla.support.thunderbird,mozilla.support.seam onkey,netscape.public.mozilla.mail-news
    >


    Right, a "single" server is not "usenet" even though that particular
    server feeds to/from usenet. Wikipedia has a really good entry for "usenet".


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  12. Re: Help me plz

    On 24.05.2008 06:19, Daniel wrote:

    --- Original Message ---

    > So are you saying, Q, that those who post m.s.thunderbird on
    > news.teranews.com might think they are really posting to m.s.thunderbird
    > on this server, and, therefore, getting help from the horses' mouth, so
    > to speak??


    That's it, you got it! ;-)

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  13. Re: Help me plz

    Alexander wrote:
    > Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >> also doesn't work on SeaMonkey as well never has.
    >>
    >> Bold works and italic now works which didn't before. (have recently
    >> switched from Courier New to just Courier for plain text. (Default
    >> Monospace for TBird and SM on Mac).
    >>

    >
    > Also? Well, I suppose it isnt supported by all clients (although it
    > seems strange as, at least in this example, they should have the same
    > code base), but then at least in Thunderbird you can see its not too
    > difficult to implement without immediately having the need of a
    > full-scale document description language which is often abused.
    >
    > Alexander
    >

    The same problem shows up in Thunderbird for Mac both on the G4 tower
    and the PB17" the tower uses X.3.9 the lap top uses X.4.11.

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  14. Re: Help me plz

    Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    > Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.

    >
    > Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D
    >



    Its a neighborhood inside Rome ;-)

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  15. Re: Help me plz

    Tarkus wrote:
    > Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    >> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >>> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.

    >>
    >> Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D

    >
    > Right next to the rest of the dehydrated meals.

    in soup isle of the groc. store :-)

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  16. Re: Help me plz

    Tarkus wrote:
    > Jay Garcia wrote:
    >> On 23.05.2008 14:03, Tarkus wrote:
    >>
    >> --- Original Message ---
    >>
    >>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    >>>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >>>>> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.
    >>>> Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D
    >>> Right next to the rest of the dehydrated meals.

    >>
    >> Nah, that's "Raman" not Roman .. :-)

    >
    > Yeah, but clearly that was a typo. ;p

    yes it was and passed the spell-check too. :-)

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  17. Re: Help me plz

    Jay Garcia wrote:
    > On 23.05.2008 13:36, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >
    > --- Original Message ---
    >
    >> I use to Top Post, and I use to use HTML and was constantly harangued,
    >> made fun of, laughed at for it.

    >
    > I think you still don't understand the concept of "When in Rome, do as
    > the Romans do". In a .support group where there is no reason to post in
    > anything but plain text, unless you're in an HTML discussion or MM
    > group. Posters are not going to post in HTML to suit only those that
    > have sight problems, etc. Those with vision problems have to adjust
    > their own custom viewing options.
    >
    > As far as top posting, there is nothing wrong with that IF and only IF
    > the guidelines/traditions in the particular group call for it.
    > Otherwise, you post accordingly. I hate top posting in ANY support venue
    > ... but ... in the old secnews Mac group, I posted as per the wishes of
    > the group - top post - and made no bones about it.
    >
    > My AOL/Netscape co-workers all top post in email replies .. so, guess
    > what? .. so do I. :-)
    >

    You'll also notice I do neither. Unless testing something as a reply to
    someone has done it.

    I read message faster and could post replies faster when top posting
    was the norm. But you do what the powers that be say for you to do.

    As I said the fight has gone. I no longer have an spirit. I am legion
    just like the other lemmings that march to the same tune.
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  18. Re: Help me plz

    Terry R. wrote:
    > The date and time was 5/23/2008 11:36 AM, and on a whim, Phillip M.
    > Jones, C.E.T pounded out on the keyboard:
    >
    >> It wouldn't make any difference any way. I use a mac because I've
    >> experienced the failings of PC when using DOS and Windows, and Vowed I
    >> never want to own anything where I have to dig and find bad files in
    >> the system repair screwed up registry. Fight every day with 10 million
    >> new Virus, Malware attacks. deal with surreptitiously installed key
    >> loggers. Or a system when a application decided on it own it needed an
    >> update, It does it on it own at the expense of being able to use for
    >> little more than a glorified room lamp while it doing it. I've lived
    >> through all of that when I worked as a Service Tech for a school system.
    >>
    >> I turn on My Mac wait a few seconds for system to load. open any
    >> application I want do what I intended to do without having to worry
    >> about a system or application Crash. I've never see a system Crash
    >> since OSX.3 and use OSX.3.9 and X.4.11 now. I've never had any
    >> application to crash in years except Mozilla Products. never had a
    >> system Freeze.
    >>
    >> So what people think about me using Macs I no long care. I know how
    >> reliable Mac's and Mac systems are. and that's good enough for me.

    >
    > It's those two paragraphs Phillip that get you in trouble. The first
    > one is just rubbish, to be polite.
    >
    > Funny, Apple runs it's Updater automatically constantly during the day
    > unless someone is smart enough to remove it from Scheduled Tasks. And
    > it silently pushed Safari to thousands/millions of users without their
    > even knowing it. What you LIVED through is the past, and you clearly
    > don't know what the status quo is now.
    >
    > I service a lot of Macs. They're no different than PC's, trust me I
    > know. You seriously have a clouded vision. And I can't believe you
    > NEVER had an app crash or NEVER had a system freeze. If that's true I
    > would have to say you probably don't put your Mac to task.
    >
    >

    On the Mac The Updater runs when you turn on computer (if you have it
    set that way) and a screen comes up with the update available. you have
    a choice of canceling or clicking later or running the update. If the
    updater doesn't use a preference Control panel, open the update
    application and go to preferences and set.

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  19. Re: Help me plz

    Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    > The same problem shows up in Thunderbird for Mac both on the G4 tower
    > and the PB17" the tower uses X.3.9 the lap top uses X.4.11.
    >


    Which problem? Peter actually just confirmed it is working in SM as
    well. So I am not seeing a problem anywhere.

    Alexander

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  20. Re: Help me plz

    Terry R. wrote:
    > The date and time was 5/23/2008 11:36 AM, and on a whim, Phillip M.
    > Jones, C.E.T pounded out on the keyboard:
    >
    >> It wouldn't make any difference any way. I use a mac because I've
    >> experienced the failings of PC when using DOS and Windows, and Vowed I
    >> never want to own anything where I have to dig and find bad files in
    >> the system repair screwed up registry. Fight every day with 10 million
    >> new Virus, Malware attacks. deal with surreptitiously installed key
    >> loggers. Or a system when a application decided on it own it needed an
    >> update, It does it on it own at the expense of being able to use for
    >> little more than a glorified room lamp while it doing it. I've lived
    >> through all of that when I worked as a Service Tech for a school system.
    >>
    >> I turn on My Mac wait a few seconds for system to load. open any
    >> application I want do what I intended to do without having to worry
    >> about a system or application Crash. I've never see a system Crash
    >> since OSX.3 and use OSX.3.9 and X.4.11 now. I've never had any
    >> application to crash in years except Mozilla Products. never had a
    >> system Freeze.
    >>
    >> So what people think about me using Macs I no long care. I know how
    >> reliable Mac's and Mac systems are. and that's good enough for me.

    >
    > It's those two paragraphs Phillip that get you in trouble. The first
    > one is just rubbish, to be polite.
    >
    > Funny, Apple runs it's Updater automatically constantly during the day
    > unless someone is smart enough to remove it from Scheduled Tasks. And
    > it silently pushed Safari to thousands/millions of users without their
    > even knowing it. What you LIVED through is the past, and you clearly
    > don't know what the status quo is now.
    >
    > I service a lot of Macs. They're no different than PC's, trust me I
    > know. You seriously have a clouded vision. And I can't believe you
    > NEVER had an app crash or NEVER had a system freeze. If that's true I
    > would have to say you probably don't put your Mac to task.
    >
    >

    I usually turn on in the morning as early as 7:00am and often it stays
    on to 9:00pm at night.

    I use MS Office products, I use Adobe Acrobat, I use Graphics program
    such a Graphics Converter, I burn C's DVD's I download and work with
    digital cameras using iPhoto. I use SeaMonkey. Out of all the programs
    and utilities I use only Mozilla products are likely to crash. The last
    time I had a Hang was with OS9.

    I've had 4 mac's since 1987 three were Desktop Units (SE-30, 7100/66,
    G4-500, PowerBook 17" 1.67GB) out of all of them I've only had to
    replace the SuperDrive in the G4-500 a CD-ROM/DVD-RAM Drive, That as
    because I screwed it up. I've added hard drives, and RAM. But never had
    to replace the originals. In fact the original 30GB Hard drive is in my
    G4-500. I just added a western Digital 120 GB Drive for OSX.

    I use system utilities such as Disk Utility, DiskWarrior, AppleJack
    periodically. to keep system in tip top shape.

    And on Occasion I do open up the cabinet and blow out duct or use Vacuum
    Cleaner to suck out dust. I keep case situated so there is plenty of air
    circulation.
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    Phillip M. Jones, CET http://www.vpea.org
    If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! mailtojones@kimbanet.com
    http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm
    Mac G4-500, OSX.3.9, 1.5GB Mac 17" PowerBook G4-1.67 GHz, 2 GB OSX.4.11
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