Re: Help me plz - Mozilla

This is a discussion on Re: Help me plz - Mozilla ; On 23.05.2008 00:30, Daniel wrote: --- Original Message --- > Jay Garcia wrote: >> On 22.05.2008 10:34, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: >> >> --- Original Message --- >> >>> Then you might have Chris I come in here ...

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  1. Re: Help me plz

    On 23.05.2008 00:30, Daniel wrote:

    --- Original Message ---

    > Jay Garcia wrote:
    >> On 22.05.2008 10:34, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    >>
    >> --- Original Message ---
    >>
    >>> Then you might have Chris I come in here and tell you this
    >>> server isn't Usenet.

    >>
    >> Well, it isn't "usenet", the posts are not propagated/fed to/from
    >> usenet, only Google.
    >>

    >
    > Well!!!....almost, Jay.
    >
    > Daniel


    Technically speaking, it's not. Behavior-wise ... yup. :-)



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  2. Re: Help me plz

    Alexander wrote:
    > Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >>
    >> Everyone know from my past posts for my reasons in favor of HTM and
    >> Top posting.

    >
    > Sorry, I dont know your previous postings. Could you please give me a
    > quick outline why you are in favour of them? I'd be really curious.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Alexander


    On HTML If the proper size and type font is used in html post (which 99%
    of people have set correctly) For me email or news group post are far
    more readable for me. in Plain Text the words and letter with there mono
    spacing runs together. After you read enough emails and News post
    everything begins to run together.

    I am not a proponent of using fancy Back grounds, inline Pictures, and
    audio in news post and only in email that the recipients, desire such.

    In today's day and times most everyone has access to at the minimum DSL
    and in many up to date countries Cable, or satellite. So bandwidth is no
    longer the issue. Also when you need to emphasize words and phrases to
    make a point in HTML you choose Bold, Italics, or underline or a
    combination. While I can add additional characters to to do so in plain
    Text. I find not all the ones that I am supposed to be able to use work.
    and none work in combination.


    As for top posting: If your writing some one an email as you would a
    letter and wish to reply then Bottom posting should be the norm.

    However, all support groups on Newsgroups should be Top posted.

    The subject line should ask the Basic question with the original
    question text then as the explanation if needed.

    each reply and each succeeding reply should be top posted. This allows
    for easy access of the latest answer given without have having to wade
    to pages and pages of previous replies. This would allow for faster
    reading of Post, and faster ability to answer post you want to
    contribute to, with having to take time to either scroll or use some
    keyboard short cut to wade through those pages. and as a Side bar to
    this in Tech support groups, sniping should absolutely be banned.
    Because what one deems as unnecessary, might be vital for those that
    come to a subject late and do wish to catch up on previous answers.

    You asked, there they are. Now I don't 500 post about why either stupid,
    or I am silly; that have been gone over previously. Both subjects have
    been settled on buried 6 feet deep, and can no long be beat on. The
    powers that be have settled on certain standards rooted on the 60's.

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  3. Re: Help me plz

    Jay Garcia wrote:
    > On 22.05.2008 13:07, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >
    > --- Original Message ---
    >
    >> Q wrote:
    >>> [crossposted, followup set to mozilla.general]
    >>>
    >>> If folks want to continue discussing html in messages, or
    >>> manners, or lack of manners , please migrate the talk to
    >>> mozilla.general. Thanks.

    >> Its a useless subject (using HTML in messages) to even talk about.
    >> The powers that be have decided (just like Top Posting). Maybe when
    >> the crop of Internet bosses croak, Maybe the email and Newsgroups
    >> can finally get into the 21st century.
    >>
    >> My last word on this thread. Its a Comment and I don't want, or
    >> expect any replies.
    >>
    >> Everyone know from my past posts for my reasons in favor of HTML
    >> and Top posting.
    >>
    >> Its a dead horse That's been buried and and can no longer be beat.
    >>

    >
    > Nobody that I know of, including myself, is against HTML and Top
    > Posting. You do what the rest of the groups ask you to do or not do,
    > simple as that. You follow the traditions of the groups you post in.
    > If everybody in the group top posts and you bottom post then you're
    > going to get beat up and vice-versa, same for HTML. What's so
    > difficult about that?
    >


    What's Changed?? I've stated my reasons for using HTML an Top posting in
    this Group. And everyone has made fun of it as being stupid and silly.

    Heck there are some here that hates HTML in any form even for websites.
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  4. Re: Help me plz

    Alexander wrote:
    > Jay Garcia wrote:
    >>
    >> Nobody that I know of, including myself, is against HTML and Top
    >> Posting. You do what the rest of the groups ask you to do or not do,
    >> simple as that. You follow the traditions of the groups you post in. If
    >> everybody in the group top posts and you bottom post then you're going
    >> to get beat up and vice-versa, same for HTML. What's so difficult about
    >> that?
    >>

    >
    > As I mentioned previously I am not actively against HTML and top
    > posting, but personally I prefer plain text along with bottom posting.
    > The reasons are, HTML is basically only useful if someone wants to
    > provide a special format for the text (several clients offer formatting,
    > in a IMHO non-disturbing way, for plain text as well by the way, like
    > Firefox with the asterisk for *bold* and underline for _underlined_
    > text), the major part of postings however doesnt need it and then it
    > usually tends to make the text only less readable (like when people mess
    > with the font and apply Arial when the reader wants Courier New).
    >
    > Bottom posting on the other hand provides a better reading flow as the
    > reader can (if he wants to) first see what the following text refers to
    > and then can jump to the actual text. Hence the context is more natural.
    > With top posting, he/she first reads the new text and only then the one
    > it actually refers to, it basically switches the contextual continuity.
    > Also it makes quoting rather impossible.
    >
    > Alexander
    >


    *bold works*
    _does underline work_

    /does italic work/

    of they don't show as they are supposed to the don't work for me.


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  5. Re: Help me plz

    The date and time was 5/23/2008 6:37 AM, and on a whim, Phillip Jones,
    CET pounded out on the keyboard:

    > Alexander wrote:
    >> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >>> Everyone know from my past posts for my reasons in favor of HTM and
    >>> Top posting.

    >> Sorry, I dont know your previous postings. Could you please give me a
    >> quick outline why you are in favour of them? I'd be really curious.
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >> Alexander

    >
    > On HTML If the proper size and type font is used in html post (which 99%
    > of people have set correctly) For me email or news group post are far
    > more readable for me. in Plain Text the words and letter with there mono
    > spacing runs together. After you read enough emails and News post
    > everything begins to run together.
    >
    > I am not a proponent of using fancy Back grounds, inline Pictures, and
    > audio in news post and only in email that the recipients, desire such.
    >
    > In today's day and times most everyone has access to at the minimum DSL
    > and in many up to date countries Cable, or satellite. So bandwidth is no
    > longer the issue. Also when you need to emphasize words and phrases to
    > make a point in HTML you choose Bold, Italics, or underline or a
    > combination. While I can add additional characters to to do so in plain
    > Text. I find not all the ones that I am supposed to be able to use work.
    > and none work in combination.
    >
    >
    > As for top posting: If your writing some one an email as you would a
    > letter and wish to reply then Bottom posting should be the norm.
    >
    > However, all support groups on Newsgroups should be Top posted.
    >
    > The subject line should ask the Basic question with the original
    > question text then as the explanation if needed.
    >
    > each reply and each succeeding reply should be top posted. This allows
    > for easy access of the latest answer given without have having to wade
    > to pages and pages of previous replies. This would allow for faster
    > reading of Post, and faster ability to answer post you want to
    > contribute to, with having to take time to either scroll or use some
    > keyboard short cut to wade through those pages. and as a Side bar to
    > this in Tech support groups, sniping should absolutely be banned.
    > Because what one deems as unnecessary, might be vital for those that
    > come to a subject late and do wish to catch up on previous answers.
    >
    > You asked, there they are. Now I don't 500 post about why either stupid,
    > or I am silly; that have been gone over previously. Both subjects have
    > been settled on buried 6 feet deep, and can no long be beat on. The
    > powers that be have settled on certain standards rooted on the 60's.
    >


    My plain text is as readable as any HTML. Only a few people I know send
    a large font, mainly because of their own eyesight.

    I have my email set to top post. The ONLY reason I do that is because
    most of the time replies don't go back and forth for extending periods,
    so it isn't confusing to read. But in newsgroups when a post can be
    replied to dozens of times, top posting and mixed makes the post too
    hard to follow. Usually if someone replies to me when top posting, I'll
    re-order it and place their reply at the bottom, and then trim as
    needed. I think it's just laziness that is the root of most peoples
    complaints.

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  6. Re: Help me plz

    The date and time was 5/23/2008 6:44 AM, and on a whim, Phillip Jones,
    CET pounded out on the keyboard:

    > Jay Garcia wrote:
    >> On 22.05.2008 13:07, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >>
    >> --- Original Message ---
    >>
    >>> Q wrote:
    >>>> [crossposted, followup set to mozilla.general]
    >>>>
    >>>> If folks want to continue discussing html in messages, or
    >>>> manners, or lack of manners , please migrate the talk to
    >>>> mozilla.general. Thanks.
    >>> Its a useless subject (using HTML in messages) to even talk about.
    >>> The powers that be have decided (just like Top Posting). Maybe when
    >>> the crop of Internet bosses croak, Maybe the email and Newsgroups
    >>> can finally get into the 21st century.
    >>>
    >>> My last word on this thread. Its a Comment and I don't want, or
    >>> expect any replies.
    >>>
    >>> Everyone know from my past posts for my reasons in favor of HTML
    >>> and Top posting.
    >>>
    >>> Its a dead horse That's been buried and and can no longer be beat.
    >>>

    >> Nobody that I know of, including myself, is against HTML and Top
    >> Posting. You do what the rest of the groups ask you to do or not do,
    >> simple as that. You follow the traditions of the groups you post in.
    >> If everybody in the group top posts and you bottom post then you're
    >> going to get beat up and vice-versa, same for HTML. What's so
    >> difficult about that?
    >>

    >
    > What's Changed?? I've stated my reasons for using HTML an Top posting in
    > this Group. And everyone has made fun of it as being stupid and silly.
    >
    > Heck there are some here that hates HTML in any form even for websites.


    Ok, so who has "made fun" of you? Who "hates" HTML?

    If you're so set on HTML and top posting, why don't you top post and use
    HTML in these groups? If you're doing what is requested, then why is it
    an issue at all?

    It sounds like you're afraid people don't like you because you use a
    Mac. It's all in your head....

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  7. Re: Help me plz

    Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
    >
    > *bold works*
    > _does underline work_
    >
    > /does italic work/
    >
    > of they don't show as they are supposed to the don't work for me.


    You are using Thunderbird, so they should all work for you. But I admit
    formatting is certainly not the strength of plain text (otherwise it
    wouldnt be plain text) and those are only workarounds, but they provide
    nonetheless a non-disturbing and easy solution.


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  8. Re: Help me plz

    Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
    >
    > On HTML If the proper size and type font is used in html post (which 99%
    > of people have set correctly) For me email or news group post are far
    > more readable for me. in Plain Text the words and letter with there mono
    > spacing runs together. After you read enough emails and News post
    > everything begins to run together.


    Well, plain text doesnt mean it has to be monospacing, you can always
    set a proportional font. Seen this way only plain text gives you the
    choice, with HTML the sender determines which font you'll be getting.

    >
    > I am not a proponent of using fancy Back grounds, inline Pictures, and
    > audio in news post and only in email that the recipients, desire such.


    Neither am I, unless of course both parties are happy with it.

    >
    > In today's day and times most everyone has access to at the minimum DSL
    > and in many up to date countries Cable, or satellite. So bandwidth is no
    > longer the issue.


    Sorry, but here I wouldnt fully agree. Of course, in the US and
    (Western) Europe the majority of Internet users in larger cities are
    having broadband access, but once you are in the country side people
    still often use Modems, let alone most Eastern Europe regions or other
    regions.

    >
    >
    > As for top posting: If your writing some one an email as you would a
    > letter and wish to reply then Bottom posting should be the norm.
    >
    > However, all support groups on Newsgroups should be Top posted.
    >
    > The subject line should ask the Basic question with the original
    > question text then as the explanation if needed.
    >
    > each reply and each succeeding reply should be top posted. This allows
    > for easy access of the latest answer given without have having to wade
    > to pages and pages of previous replies. This would allow for faster
    > reading of Post, and faster ability to answer post you want to
    > contribute to, with having to take time to either scroll or use some
    > keyboard short cut to wade through those pages. and as a Side bar to
    > this in Tech support groups, sniping should absolutely be banned.
    > Because what one deems as unnecessary, might be vital for those that
    > come to a subject late and do wish to catch up on previous answers.


    Given you dont trim down the text and leave the entire conversation
    (like I did now) this is certainly the way to go.

    >
    > You asked, there they are. Now I don't 500 post about why either stupid,
    > or I am silly;


    Thanks, and no, I wouldnt ever call you this way, I was just curious
    about your reasons.

    Alexander

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  9. Re: Help me plz

    On 23.05.2008 08:44, Phillip Jones, CET wrote:

    --- Original Message ---

    > Jay Garcia wrote:
    >> On 22.05.2008 13:07, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >>
    >> --- Original Message ---
    >>
    >>> Q wrote:
    >>>> [crossposted, followup set to mozilla.general]
    >>>>
    >>>> If folks want to continue discussing html in messages, or
    >>>> manners, or lack of manners , please migrate the talk to
    >>>> mozilla.general. Thanks.
    >>> Its a useless subject (using HTML in messages) to even talk about.
    >>> The powers that be have decided (just like Top Posting). Maybe when
    >>> the crop of Internet bosses croak, Maybe the email and Newsgroups
    >>> can finally get into the 21st century.
    >>>
    >>> My last word on this thread. Its a Comment and I don't want, or
    >>> expect any replies.
    >>>
    >>> Everyone know from my past posts for my reasons in favor of HTML
    >>> and Top posting.
    >>>
    >>> Its a dead horse That's been buried and and can no longer be beat.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Nobody that I know of, including myself, is against HTML and Top
    >> Posting. You do what the rest of the groups ask you to do or not do,
    >> simple as that. You follow the traditions of the groups you post in.
    >> If everybody in the group top posts and you bottom post then you're
    >> going to get beat up and vice-versa, same for HTML. What's so
    >> difficult about that?
    >>

    >
    > What's Changed?? I've stated my reasons for using HTML an Top posting in
    > this Group. And everyone has made fun of it as being stupid and silly.
    >
    > Heck there are some here that hates HTML in any form even for websites.


    Well, simply put, if you belong to a Chevie car club and you show up in
    a Ford .. 'nuff said! :-)

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  10. Re: Help me plz

    Jay Garcia wrote:
    >
    > Well, simply put, if you belong to a Chevie car club and you show up in
    > a Ford .. 'nuff said! :-)
    >


    That'd be posting off-topic. Your example would be rather like you
    belong to a Chevie car club and one day show up in corduroy trousers
    instead of blue jeans .

    Alexander

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  11. Re: Help me plz

    Alexander wrote:
    > Phillip Jones, CET wrote:
    >>
    >> *bold works*
    >> _does underline work_
    >>
    >> /does italic work/
    >>
    >> of they don't show as they are supposed to the don't work for me.

    >
    > You are using Thunderbird, so they should all work for you. But I admit
    > formatting is certainly not the strength of plain text (otherwise it
    > wouldnt be plain text) and those are only workarounds, but they provide
    > nonetheless a non-disturbing and easy solution.
    >
    >

    also doesn't work on SeaMonkey as well never has.

    Bold works and italic now works which didn't before. (have recently
    switched from Courier New to just Courier for plain text. (Default
    Monospace for TBird and SM on Mac).

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  12. Re: Help me plz

    Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    > also doesn't work on SeaMonkey as well never has.
    >
    > Bold works and italic now works which didn't before. (have recently
    > switched from Courier New to just Courier for plain text. (Default
    > Monospace for TBird and SM on Mac).
    >


    Also? Well, I suppose it isnt supported by all clients (although it
    seems strange as, at least in this example, they should have the same
    code base), but then at least in Thunderbird you can see its not too
    difficult to implement without immediately having the need of a
    full-scale document description language which is often abused.

    Alexander

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  13. Re: Help me plz

    Terry R. wrote:
    > The date and time was 5/23/2008 6:44 AM, and on a whim, Phillip Jones,
    > CET pounded out on the keyboard:
    >
    >> Jay Garcia wrote:
    >>> On 22.05.2008 13:07, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >>>
    >>> --- Original Message ---
    >>>
    >>>> Q wrote:
    >>>>> [crossposted, followup set to mozilla.general]
    >>>>>
    >>>>> If folks want to continue discussing html in messages, or
    >>>>> manners, or lack of manners , please migrate the talk to
    >>>>> mozilla.general. Thanks.
    >>>> Its a useless subject (using HTML in messages) to even talk about.
    >>>> The powers that be have decided (just like Top Posting). Maybe when
    >>>> the crop of Internet bosses croak, Maybe the email and Newsgroups
    >>>> can finally get into the 21st century.
    >>>>
    >>>> My last word on this thread. Its a Comment and I don't want, or
    >>>> expect any replies.
    >>>>
    >>>> Everyone know from my past posts for my reasons in favor of HTML
    >>>> and Top posting.
    >>>>
    >>>> Its a dead horse That's been buried and and can no longer be beat.
    >>>>
    >>> Nobody that I know of, including myself, is against HTML and Top
    >>> Posting. You do what the rest of the groups ask you to do or not do,
    >>> simple as that. You follow the traditions of the groups you post in.
    >>> If everybody in the group top posts and you bottom post then you're
    >>> going to get beat up and vice-versa, same for HTML. What's so
    >>> difficult about that?
    >>>

    >>
    >> What's Changed?? I've stated my reasons for using HTML an Top posting
    >> in this Group. And everyone has made fun of it as being stupid and silly.
    >>
    >> Heck there are some here that hates HTML in any form even for websites.

    >
    > Ok, so who has "made fun" of you? Who "hates" HTML?
    >
    > If you're so set on HTML and top posting, why don't you top post and use
    > HTML in these groups? If you're doing what is requested, then why is it
    > an issue at all?
    >
    > It sounds like you're afraid people don't like you because you use a
    > Mac. It's all in your head....
    >


    I use to Top Post, and I use to use HTML and was constantly harangued,
    made fun of, laughed at for it.

    I've just have too many aches and pains, and just don't have any fire
    left. As the saying goes no point at tilting as Windmills. Does no good.
    I just hate it that everyone is still stuck in the 1960's.

    Here we are supposed to have all of this modern technology, and will
    still stuck using Buggy whips.

    Mozilla has settled on strict guidelines. If you visit Roman you must do
    as the Romans do.

    It wouldn't make any difference any way. I use a mac because I've
    experienced the failings of PC when using DOS and Windows, and Vowed I
    never want to own anything where I have to dig and find bad files in the
    system repair screwed up registry. Fight every day with 10 million new
    Virus, Malware attacks. deal with surreptitiously installed key loggers.
    Or a system when a application decided on it own it needed an update, It
    does it on it own at the expense of being able to use for little more
    than a glorified room lamp while it doing it. I've lived through all of
    that when I worked as a Service Tech for a school system.

    I turn on My Mac wait a few seconds for system to load. open any
    application I want do what I intended to do without having to worry
    about a system or application Crash. I've never see a system Crash since
    OSX.3 and use OSX.3.9 and X.4.11 now. I've never had any application to
    crash in years except Mozilla Products. never had a system Freeze.

    So what people think about me using Macs I no long care. I know how
    reliable Mac's and Mac systems are. and that's good enough for me.
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  14. Re: Help me plz

    Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    > If you visit Roman you must do
    > as the Romans do.


    Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D

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  15. Re: Help me plz

    Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    > Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.

    >
    > Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D


    Right next to the rest of the dehydrated meals.

  16. Re: Help me plz

    On 23.05.2008 13:36, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:

    --- Original Message ---

    > I use to Top Post, and I use to use HTML and was constantly harangued,
    > made fun of, laughed at for it.


    I think you still don't understand the concept of "When in Rome, do as
    the Romans do". In a .support group where there is no reason to post in
    anything but plain text, unless you're in an HTML discussion or MM
    group. Posters are not going to post in HTML to suit only those that
    have sight problems, etc. Those with vision problems have to adjust
    their own custom viewing options.

    As far as top posting, there is nothing wrong with that IF and only IF
    the guidelines/traditions in the particular group call for it.
    Otherwise, you post accordingly. I hate top posting in ANY support venue
    .... but ... in the old secnews Mac group, I posted as per the wishes of
    the group - top post - and made no bones about it.

    My AOL/Netscape co-workers all top post in email replies .. so, guess
    what? .. so do I. :-)

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  17. Re: Help me plz

    On 23.05.2008 14:03, Tarkus wrote:

    --- Original Message ---

    > Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    >> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >>> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.

    >>
    >> Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D

    >
    > Right next to the rest of the dehydrated meals.


    Nah, that's "Raman" not Roman .. :-)

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  18. Re: Help me plz

    Jay Garcia wrote:
    > On 23.05.2008 14:03, Tarkus wrote:
    >
    > --- Original Message ---
    >
    >> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    >>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T wrote:
    >>>> If you visit Roman you must do as the Romans do.
    >>> Where's Roman? ;-) :-) :-D

    >> Right next to the rest of the dehydrated meals.

    >
    > Nah, that's "Raman" not Roman .. :-)


    Yeah, but clearly that was a typo. ;p

  19. Re: Help me plz

    The date and time was 5/23/2008 11:36 AM, and on a whim, Phillip M.
    Jones, C.E.T pounded out on the keyboard:

    > It wouldn't make any difference any way. I use a mac because I've
    > experienced the failings of PC when using DOS and Windows, and Vowed I
    > never want to own anything where I have to dig and find bad files in the
    > system repair screwed up registry. Fight every day with 10 million new
    > Virus, Malware attacks. deal with surreptitiously installed key loggers.
    > Or a system when a application decided on it own it needed an update, It
    > does it on it own at the expense of being able to use for little more
    > than a glorified room lamp while it doing it. I've lived through all of
    > that when I worked as a Service Tech for a school system.
    >
    > I turn on My Mac wait a few seconds for system to load. open any
    > application I want do what I intended to do without having to worry
    > about a system or application Crash. I've never see a system Crash since
    > OSX.3 and use OSX.3.9 and X.4.11 now. I've never had any application to
    > crash in years except Mozilla Products. never had a system Freeze.
    >
    > So what people think about me using Macs I no long care. I know how
    > reliable Mac's and Mac systems are. and that's good enough for me.


    It's those two paragraphs Phillip that get you in trouble. The first
    one is just rubbish, to be polite.

    Funny, Apple runs it's Updater automatically constantly during the day
    unless someone is smart enough to remove it from Scheduled Tasks. And
    it silently pushed Safari to thousands/millions of users without their
    even knowing it. What you LIVED through is the past, and you clearly
    don't know what the status quo is now.

    I service a lot of Macs. They're no different than PC's, trust me I
    know. You seriously have a clouded vision. And I can't believe you
    NEVER had an app crash or NEVER had a system freeze. If that's true I
    would have to say you probably don't put your Mac to task.


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  20. Re: Help me plz

    Jay Garcia wrote:
    > On 23.05.2008 00:30, Daniel wrote:
    >
    > --- Original Message ---
    >
    >> Jay Garcia wrote:
    >>> On 22.05.2008 10:34, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:
    >>>
    >>> --- Original Message ---
    >>>
    >>>> Then you might have Chris I come in here and tell you this
    >>>> server isn't Usenet.
    >>> Well, it isn't "usenet", the posts are not propagated/fed to/from
    >>> usenet, only Google.
    >>>

    >> Well!!!....almost, Jay.
    >>
    >> Daniel

    >
    > Technically speaking, it's not. Behavior-wise ... yup. :-)
    >
    >
    >

    Technically speaking, it it, sort off!!

    My Usenet ISP is news.teranews.com, and, if you check it out, it
    provides groups m.s.seamonkey, m.s.firefox, etc.

    Now whilst the posts I see on the news.mozills.org server are not all
    appearing there, the posts for the Thursday Thunderbird bug clean ups
    program have been appearing on the teranews server group. Haven't
    checked in a couple of weeks, so don't know if it's still happening!

    Daniel

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