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  1. SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    It might be only on this computer, so I am asking to see if you guys
    have this problem too.

    I noticed my SeaMonkey v1.1.2 (and older versions) can become unstable
    (e.g., crashes or lock up/freezes [hogs 50% of my dual core/X2 CPU in
    Mail/News component). I have to end task SeaMonkey and restart it
    (thanks goodness for SessionSaver extension). I am using it on Windows
    XP Pro. SP2 with all updates (NTFS; d:\winstuff\SeaMonkey\ (where
    SeaMonkey is], 200 MB G:\temp\MozillaCache\ (I keep my temporary files
    and caches in here], and C:\Documents and Settings\Ant\Application
    Data\Mozilla\Profiles\ant\...\ [mail and news are in their
    subdirectories/subfolders in here]). Also, my hardware specifications
    can be found here:
    http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm.../computers.txt (primary machine).

    Usually, this problem occurs if I have many tabs opened like 20+ tabs
    going at once. If I close or leave SeaMonkey not running overnight, then
    I have no problems. I know SeaMonkey can be a big memory eater/hogger
    (have seen it go up to 300+ MB peak in RAM). I never had this problem on
    my previous systems last year and before. I already tried clearing
    caches, histories, etc. Is there a way to debug this? Or better, is
    anyone else seeing this?

    Thank you in advance.
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  2. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    Hello Ant-i-social

    Ant a écrit :
    >
    > Usually, this problem occurs if I have many tabs opened like 20+ tabs
    > going at once.


    Oufff. I think you just answered your own question!
    My computer runs permanently 24/24 7/7 with SeaMonkey and Mail windows
    always open, but only a handful of tabs.
    Never had any trouble at all.

    (It's eating less than 80MB at present, and out of my 1GB I can spare it.)

    Regards
    Christophe

    --
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  3. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    On 6/15/2007 9:22 AM PT, bitwyse wrote:

    >> Usually, this problem occurs if I have many tabs opened like 20+ tabs
    >> going at once.

    >
    > Oufff. I think you just answered your own question!
    > My computer runs permanently 24/24 7/7 with SeaMonkey and Mail windows
    > always open, but only a handful of tabs.
    > Never had any trouble at all.
    >
    > (It's eating less than 80MB at present, and out of my 1GB I can spare it.)


    So anyone else running many tabs and leaving SM overnight? Does SM's
    have memory problem when idling? I noticed many page faults (e.g., 2.7
    million and virtual memory can be huge too).
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  4. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    On 6/15/2007 9:42 AM PT, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

    > bitwyse wrote:
    >> Hello Ant-i-social
    >>
    >> Ant a écrit :
    >>> Usually, this problem occurs if I have many tabs opened like 20+ tabs
    >>> going at once.

    >>
    >> Oufff. I think you just answered your own question!
    >> My computer runs permanently 24/24 7/7 with SeaMonkey and Mail windows
    >> always open, but only a handful of tabs.
    >> Never had any trouble at all.
    >>
    >> (It's eating less than 80MB at present, and out of my 1GB I can spare
    >> it.)
    >>
    >> Regards
    >> Christophe
    >>

    >
    > agreed. Its also a known problem with FF being kept open all the time.


    Damn. And no fixes.
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  5. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    bitwyse wrote:
    > Hello Ant-i-social
    >
    > Ant a écrit :
    >> Usually, this problem occurs if I have many tabs opened like 20+ tabs
    >> going at once.

    >
    > Oufff. I think you just answered your own question!
    > My computer runs permanently 24/24 7/7 with SeaMonkey and Mail windows
    > always open, but only a handful of tabs.
    > Never had any trouble at all.
    >
    > (It's eating less than 80MB at present, and out of my 1GB I can spare it.)
    >
    > Regards
    > Christophe
    >


    agreed. Its also a known problem with FF being kept open all the time.

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  6. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    Hello Ant-ipode

    Ant a écrit :
    >
    > So anyone else running many tabs and leaving SM overnight?


    Does anyone else really _need_ to leave SeaMonkey running with so many
    tabs open?

    (Is there one tab open for each ant on guard?)

    Regards
    Christophe

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    "Si ce n'est pas cassé, il ne sert à rien de le retaper"
    ("If it isn't broken, don't try to fix it")
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  7. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    On 6/15/2007 10:36 AM PT, bitwyse wrote:

    > Hello Ant-ipode
    >
    > Ant a écrit :
    >> So anyone else running many tabs and leaving SM overnight?

    >
    > Does anyone else really _need_ to leave SeaMonkey running with so many
    > tabs open?


    Yes, sometimes I go pass out on my bed, don't feel like closing my Web
    browser and just do them later, etc. I am a net junkie (http://aqfl.net
    to see what I mean).


    > (Is there one tab open for each ant on guard?)


    Sure. But they aren't doing a good job keeping those bugs/problems out
    to make SM unstable. [grin]
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  8. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    Phillip Pi wrote:
    > On 6/15/2007 10:36 AM PT, bitwyse wrote:
    >
    >> Hello Ant-ipode
    >>
    >> Ant a écrit :
    >>> So anyone else running many tabs and leaving SM overnight?

    >>
    >> Does anyone else really _need_ to leave SeaMonkey running with so many
    >> tabs open?

    >
    > Yes, sometimes I go pass out on my bed, don't feel like closing my Web
    > browser and just do them later, etc. I am a net junkie (http://aqfl.net
    > to see what I mean).
    >
    >
    >> (Is there one tab open for each ant on guard?)

    >
    > Sure. But they aren't doing a good job keeping those bugs/problems out
    > to make SM unstable. [grin]


    I reported a bug similar to this on linux. See
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383848

    It doesn't look exact, fewer tabs and navigating within them, but might
    be relevant.

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  9. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    On 6/15/2007 11:19 AM PT, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

    >>>> So anyone else running many tabs and leaving SM overnight?
    >>>
    >>> Does anyone else really _need_ to leave SeaMonkey running with so many
    >>> tabs open?

    >>
    >> Yes, sometimes I go pass out on my bed, don't feel like closing my Web
    >> browser and just do them later, etc. I am a net junkie
    >> (http://aqfl.net to see what I mean).
    >>
    >>
    >>> (Is there one tab open for each ant on guard?)

    >>
    >> Sure. But they aren't doing a good job keeping those bugs/problems out
    >> to make SM unstable. [grin]

    >
    > I reported a bug similar to this on linux. See
    > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383848
    >
    > It doesn't look exact, fewer tabs and navigating within them, but might
    > be relevant.


    Interesting. I never had that problem before.

    However, I have had this ctrl-shift+u hotkey (to call up fgupdater
    extension) doing funky things in IceApe (SeaMonkey for Debian).
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  10. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    Ant wrote:
    > On 6/15/2007 9:22 AM PT, bitwyse wrote:
    >
    >>> Usually, this problem occurs if I have many tabs opened like 20+ tabs
    >>> going at once.

    >>
    >> Oufff. I think you just answered your own question!
    >> My computer runs permanently 24/24 7/7 with SeaMonkey and Mail windows
    >> always open, but only a handful of tabs.
    >> Never had any trouble at all.
    >>
    >> (It's eating less than 80MB at present, and out of my 1GB I can spare
    >> it.)

    >
    > So anyone else running many tabs and leaving SM overnight? Does SM's
    > have memory problem when idling? I noticed many page faults (e.g., 2.7
    > million and virtual memory can be huge too).


    I leave it up for days at a time. I do a lot of work where I spend some time setting things up then have 5 to 20 minutes of down time. So I tend to look at news sites and open each story I want to read in a tab. I read them when I get the time. If I don't do this the stories will many times "scroll" off the first summary page.

    The only real thing I've seen related to this is SM taking 1gb or more of memory total. A few hundred real with the rest virtual. And after a few days things can drag but not always.

    I wonder if this is a issue with the efficiency of the paging system of the OS. How much free disk do you have at these times?

    David

  11. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    On 6/15/2007 2:07 PM PT, David L. Ross wrote:

    >>>> Usually, this problem occurs if I have many tabs opened like 20+ tabs
    >>>> going at once.
    >>>
    >>> Oufff. I think you just answered your own question!
    >>> My computer runs permanently 24/24 7/7 with SeaMonkey and Mail windows
    >>> always open, but only a handful of tabs.
    >>> Never had any trouble at all.
    >>>
    >>> (It's eating less than 80MB at present, and out of my 1GB I can spare
    >>> it.)

    >>
    >> So anyone else running many tabs and leaving SM overnight? Does SM's
    >> have memory problem when idling? I noticed many page faults (e.g., 2.7
    >> million and virtual memory can be huge too).

    >
    > I leave it up for days at a time. I do a lot of work where I spend some
    > time setting things up then have 5 to 20 minutes of down time. So I tend
    > to look at news sites and open each story I want to read in a tab. I
    > read them when I get the time. If I don't do this the stories will many
    > times "scroll" off the first summary page.
    >
    > The only real thing I've seen related to this is SM taking 1gb or more
    > of memory total. A few hundred real with the rest virtual. And after a
    > few days things can drag but not always.
    >
    > I wonder if this is a issue with the efficiency of the paging system of
    > the OS. How much free disk do you have at these times?


    GBs of free disk spaces on all drives (C: to I: drives; 3 physical
    drives too).
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  12. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    Ant wrote:

    > I noticed my SeaMonkey v1.1.2 (and older versions) can become unstable


    Same here.

    Sometime I have 100+ tabs. I don't close SeaMonkey at all and use the
    hibernate to start/stop my system. Sometime SeaMonkey crashes. But it
    happens never if i use only a few tabs.

    I've noticed the following (a-la bug reproduction):

    1. SeaMonkey with 100+ tabs
    2. Windows Hibernate at night
    3. A couple of days playing with p. 1,2.
    4. New SeaMonkey window open. Other window with 100+ tabs stays opened
    5. In the new window go to any website that has a video clip with
    Windows Media Player plugin
    6. Watch the video
    7. Close the SM window with the video
    8. SeaMonkey crashes (99.9%)

    It's very interesting, if we don't use the "video clip website", SM can
    work fine the next couple of days.

    This is only my experience, but I think the problem is somewhere in the
    plugin support mechanism.

    Anthony

  13. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    On 06/16/2007 06:38 AM, Anthony M. Davidovich wrote:
    > Ant wrote:
    >
    >> I noticed my SeaMonkey v1.1.2 (and older versions) can become unstable

    >
    > Same here.
    >
    > Sometime I have 100+ tabs. I don't close SeaMonkey at all and use the
    > hibernate to start/stop my system. Sometime SeaMonkey crashes. But it
    > happens never if i use only a few tabs.
    >



    You know... you *can* save your open tabs as a book mark.
    Bookmarks|Bookmark this group of tabs
    When you open up that bookmark, all of the tabs will come back up.


  14. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    >> I noticed my SeaMonkey v1.1.2 (and older versions) can become unstable
    >
    > Same here.
    >
    > Sometime I have 100+ tabs. I don't close SeaMonkey at all and use the
    > hibernate to start/stop my system. Sometime SeaMonkey crashes. But it
    > happens never if i use only a few tabs.
    >
    > I've noticed the following (a-la bug reproduction):
    >
    > 1. SeaMonkey with 100+ tabs
    > 2. Windows Hibernate at night
    > 3. A couple of days playing with p. 1,2.
    > 4. New SeaMonkey window open. Other window with 100+ tabs stays opened
    > 5. In the new window go to any website that has a video clip with
    > Windows Media Player plugin
    > 6. Watch the video
    > 7. Close the SM window with the video
    > 8. SeaMonkey crashes (99.9%)
    >
    > It's very interesting, if we don't use the "video clip website", SM can
    > work fine the next couple of days.
    >
    > This is only my experience, but I think the problem is somewhere in the
    > plugin support mechanism.


    Videos for me too but Flash (using the latest version) videos sometimes.
    100 tabs. Wow, . Also, I don't use hibernation. I do use a screen
    saver and let monitor sleep after three hours of idle time.
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  15. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    On 6/16/2007 2:03 PM PT, NoOp wrote:

    >>> I noticed my SeaMonkey v1.1.2 (and older versions) can become unstable

    >> Same here.
    >>
    >> Sometime I have 100+ tabs. I don't close SeaMonkey at all and use the
    >> hibernate to start/stop my system. Sometime SeaMonkey crashes. But it
    >> happens never if i use only a few tabs.

    >
    > You know... you *can* save your open tabs as a book mark.
    > Bookmarks|Bookmark this group of tabs
    > When you open up that bookmark, all of the tabs will come back up.


    Or use SessionSaver extension to reopen all the tabs that after
    SeaMonkey crashed or exited.
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  16. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    NoOp wrote:

    > You know... you *can* save your open tabs as a book mark.
    > Bookmarks|Bookmark this group of tabs


    What a pretty logic!

    We are discussing here an "unstable" bug.

    Do you think your suggestion helps to fix the bug? Or may be the spell
    "Bookmark this group of tabs" patches the seamonkey.exe file?

    Anthony

    P.S. bzw, "Bookmark this group of tabs" is my favourite daily tool

  17. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    On 6/16/2007 4:21 PM PT, Anthony M. Davidovich wrote:

    > NoOp wrote:
    >
    >> You know... you *can* save your open tabs as a book mark.
    >> Bookmarks|Bookmark this group of tabs

    >
    > What a pretty logic!
    >
    > We are discussing here an "unstable" bug.
    >
    > Do you think your suggestion helps to fix the bug? Or may be the spell
    > "Bookmark this group of tabs" patches the seamonkey.exe file?
    >
    > Anthony
    >
    > P.S. bzw, "Bookmark this group of tabs" is my favourite daily tool


    That feature is useful to have groups of sites I want to open at once
    like daily mornings.
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  18. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    On 06/16/2007 04:21 PM, Anthony M. Davidovich wrote:
    > NoOp wrote:
    >
    >> You know... you *can* save your open tabs as a book mark.
    >> Bookmarks|Bookmark this group of tabs

    >
    > What a pretty logic!
    >
    > We are discussing here an "unstable" bug.


    Perhaps; but you report:

    >
    > Sometime I have 100+ tabs. I don't close SeaMonkey at all and use the
    > hibernate to start/stop my system. Sometime SeaMonkey crashes. But it
    > happens never if i use only a few tabs.


    You don't report *anything* that would be helpful for resolving a bug of
    this type:

    1. What version of Window OS?
    2. How much memory is installed.
    3. What other applications do you have running when you hibernate?
    etc., etc.

    >
    > Do you think your suggestion helps to fix the bug? Or may be the spell
    > "Bookmark this group of tabs" patches the seamonkey.exe file?


    No it was a suggestion to the OP, and you, so that perhaps you can avoid
    the crashes.

    BTW: what bug are you referring to? Do you have a bug reference number?
    Is it any one of these?
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ksearch=memory

    > Anthony
    >
    > P.S. bzw, "Bookmark this group of tabs" is my favourite daily tool


    Now or previously?

  19. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    flashblock extension does wonders for many use cases. also, ...


    On 6/16/2007 5:52 PM, Ant wrote:
    >>> I noticed my SeaMonkey v1.1.2 (and older versions) can become unstable

    >>
    >> Same here.
    >>
    >> Sometime I have 100+ tabs. I don't close SeaMonkey at all and use the
    >> hibernate to start/stop my system. Sometime SeaMonkey crashes. But it
    >> happens never if i use only a few tabs.
    >>
    >> I've noticed the following (a-la bug reproduction):
    >>
    >> 1. SeaMonkey with 100+ tabs
    >> 2. Windows Hibernate at night


    significant hibernate bugs recently fixed:
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ds&value0-0-1=


    >> 5. In the new window go to any website that has a video clip with
    >> Windows Media Player plugin
    >> 6. Watch the video
    >> 7. Close the SM window with the video
    >> 8. SeaMonkey crashes (99.9%)


    bug 282933, bug 364028, bug 347662 have been recently fixed.
    open with recent activity are
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...value0-0-1=wmp

    >> It's very interesting, if we don't use the "video clip website", SM
    >> can work fine the next couple of days.
    >>
    >> This is only my experience, but I think the problem is somewhere in
    >> the plugin support mechanism.

    >
    > Videos for me too but Flash (using the latest version) videos sometimes.
    > 100 tabs. Wow, . Also, I don't use hibernation. I do use a screen
    > saver and let monitor sleep after three hours of idle time.


  20. Re: SeaMonkey becomes unstable after idling overnight?

    On 6/17/2007 5:00 AM PT, Wayne Mery wrote:

    > flashblock extension does wonders for many use cases. also, ...


    Agreed. Also, Fgupdater with Adblock.


    > On 6/16/2007 5:52 PM, Ant wrote:
    >>>> I noticed my SeaMonkey v1.1.2 (and older versions) can become unstable
    >>>
    >>> Same here.
    >>>
    >>> Sometime I have 100+ tabs. I don't close SeaMonkey at all and use the
    >>> hibernate to start/stop my system. Sometime SeaMonkey crashes. But it
    >>> happens never if i use only a few tabs.
    >>>
    >>> I've noticed the following (a-la bug reproduction):
    >>>
    >>> 1. SeaMonkey with 100+ tabs
    >>> 2. Windows Hibernate at night

    >
    > significant hibernate bugs recently fixed:
    > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ds&value0-0-1=


    Interesting. Too bad I don't use hibernation.


    >>> 5. In the new window go to any website that has a video clip with
    >>> Windows Media Player plugin
    >>> 6. Watch the video
    >>> 7. Close the SM window with the video
    >>> 8. SeaMonkey crashes (99.9%)

    >
    > bug 282933, bug 364028, bug 347662 have been recently fixed.
    > open with recent activity are
    > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...value0-0-1=wmp


    Ooh, but mostly for me is Flash videos.


    >>> It's very interesting, if we don't use the "video clip website", SM
    >>> can work fine the next couple of days.
    >>>
    >>> This is only my experience, but I think the problem is somewhere in
    >>> the plugin support mechanism.

    >>
    >> Videos for me too but Flash (using the latest version) videos
    >> sometimes. 100 tabs. Wow, . Also, I don't use hibernation. I do use
    >> a screen saver and let monitor sleep after three hours of idle time.

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