Re: mod_perl survey results
I'm relatively new to mod_perl - moving to a new job who's application
is solely written in it. This is a return to Perl for me, having
worked in PHP, Java, and .NET since Perl 4. As I'm learning to love
mod_perl and Perl in general, perhaps it's a good time for me to
contribute back by writing perl/mod_perl blogs and tutorials to help
others easing in from other languages (written with a set of
assumptions). I've seen the "to-do" list, if you will, on the
mod_perl Advocacy page
([url]http://perl.apache.org/docs/general/advocacy/advocacy.html[/url]) but not
sure how dated this is or what is the best to tackle.
Let me know how to get involved - it is my job security after all =).
Seriously, though, the flexibility of mod_perl is just not available
in many of the other languages and I think it's "don't know what you
don't know" sort of thing...so much work is done in the application
code when it could be solved with a few lines using mod_perl at the
httpd abstract layer. I have a blog site but if perl.apache.org
desires host tutorials and blogs, so much the better (better
I've also noticed the mod_perl advocacy mailing list is all but dead.
Perhaps this is the best channel to bring these issues up?
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Adam Prime <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:[color=blue]
> André Warnier wrote:[color=green]
>> The responses there are indeed a bit scary. It feels like we're a dying
>> I believe this is to a large extent a "marketing issue" for perl in
>> general, and mod_perl by extension, with regard to the younger programmers
>> generation. At least in various European countries I know, perl is not
>> really being taught in programming schools as a "serious" programming
>> language for applications. These young people have all heard the name, but
>> seem to consider it as a powerful but somewhat messy scripting language to
>> create system administration scripts.
>> I am personally doing my best to introduce these newbies to the beauties
>> of perl and mod_perl, but it feels rather lonely sometimes.
>> Java and PHP seem definitely more popular, or better-known.[/color]
> I agree that this does echo perl's problems in general, but mod_perl has a
> long history of not really being very good at marketing itself. I know
> Perrin and some other people did try at the launch of mod_perl2, but that
> effort (and the associated mailing list) has long since dried up.
>> - A surprising number of people are running mod_perl under the worker MPM.
>> What is so surprising about this ? (genuine curious question)[/color]
> It's surprising to me, and probably to Torsten, because the perceived common
> wisdom is to run prefork, because worker may or may not be as well tested,
> and has all the bonus issues related to thread-safeness.
>>>> - the documentation could use some work. Specifically more tutorial /
>>>> intro kind of stuff.[/color]
>> Agreed. There is a definite need also for something like a new mod_perl
>> Guide and Cookbook all-in-one, updated for mod_perl 2 and with a section
>> about the framework/template systems mentioned above. Written in a style
>> meant to show that these are not old-fashioned technologies only practised
>> by oldies like me (us?).
>> What I mean is that to cover all one needs to know to create some serious
>> web applications in Java, you'd need at least 6 thick volumes, while for
>> Perl 800-1000 pages would be more than enough.
>> O'Reilly, where are you ?[/color]
> Honestly, I think this stuff is currently better handled by the community..
> As such, i'm going to take a stab at writing some very basic intro /
> tutorial kind of documentation to be added to perl.apache.org. When i
> started with mod_perl 1, the Guide on thought the "guide" perl.apache.org
> was amazing, but it seems to me that mod_perl 2 doesn't have that in the
> same way. Much of the content has been ported over to the 2.0 section, but
> there are many pages that haven't been updated from the 1.0 tree at all.