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Raymond Wan wrote:
>I should point out that one could be educated without a MS or a PhD.=20
>One could also be uneducated with a MS and/or a PhD. It depends on
>one's quality of education and their self-motivation in RTFM. But I
>know that Ronald is saying it casually, just like the expression "being
>a rocket scientist" which is probably an out-dated expression now.


You are absolutely right on this. I was trying to say MS or PHD should =
have that kind of training in school...but people definitely can also =
gain that kind of training from real job experience without any MS or =
PHD...
=20
Thanks
Ron

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From: Raymond Wan [mailto:rwan@kuicr.kyoto-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 9:36 PM
To: Colin Wetherbee
Cc: Ronald Dai.; modperl@perl.apache.org
Subject: Re: return DECLINED or OK? [off-topic]




Colin Wetherbee wrote:
> Ronald Dai. wrote:
>> Actually RTFM would not be a problem for people from academic
>> background (meaning MS or PHD educated) at all since they have to do
>> it all the time....but for people with more team work background
>> these days, it might not be politically very correct...

>
> I disagree. Granted, I have a master's degree.



I should point out that one could be educated without a MS or a PhD.=20
One could also be uneducated with a MS and/or a PhD. It depends on
one's quality of education and their self-motivation in RTFM. But I
know that Ronald is saying it casually, just like the expression "being
a rocket scientist" which is probably an out-dated expression now.


> But, let's say, as very nearly happened on another mailing list
> yesterday, someone installs database software and can't figure out how
> to create a database. I say go look at the manual and here's the
> specific URL that covers creating new databases. Now, that person
> knows where to look for information about creating a database, *and*
> that person also knows where to look for answers to future simple
> questions.



I totally agree with this and I think that one has to know the material
before working as a group. Some university courses are so caught up in
the terminology like "team work", they seem to jump a step.

Just like it would be good to learn how to add before you can use a
calculator. Yes, everyone nowadays uses a calculator -- it is in high
school curriculum now and it is also the "real world" -- but strange to
focus on the calculator if someone does not even know how to do the
operations that a calculator does...

Ray





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Raymond Wan =
wrote:
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>I should point out that one could be =
educated without a MS or a PhD. 
>One could also be =
uneducated with a MS and/or a PhD.  It depends on
>one's =
quality of education and their self-motivation in RTFM.  But =
I
>know that Ronald is saying it casually, just like the =
expression "being
>a rocket scientist" which is probably an =
out-dated expression now.

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You are absolutely right on this. I was trying to say MS =
or PHD should have that kind of training in school...but people =
definitely can also gain that kind of training from real job experience =
without any MS or PHD...
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Thanks
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Ron
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From: Raymond Wan =
[mailto:rwan@kuicr.kyoto-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 9:36 =
PM
To: Colin Wetherbee
Cc: Ronald Dai.; =
modperl@perl.apache.org
Subject: Re: return DECLINED or OK? =
[off-topic]

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Colin Wetherbee wrote:
> Ronald Dai. =
wrote:
>> Actually RTFM would not be a problem for people from =
academic
>> background (meaning MS or PHD educated) at all =
since they have to do
>> it all the time....but for people with =
more team work background
>> these days, it might not be =
politically very correct...
>
> I disagree.  Granted, I =
have a master's degree.


I should point out that one could be =
educated without a MS or a PhD. 
One could also be uneducated =
with a MS and/or a PhD.  It depends on
one's quality of =
education and their self-motivation in RTFM.  But I
know that =
Ronald is saying it casually, just like the expression "being
a =
rocket scientist" which is probably an out-dated expression =
now.


> But, let's say, as very nearly happened on another =
mailing list
> yesterday, someone installs database software and =
can't figure out how
> to create a database.  I say go look =
at the manual and here's the
> specific URL that covers creating =
new databases.  Now, that person
> knows where to look for =
information about creating a database, *and*
> that person also =
knows where to look for answers to future simple
> =
questions.


I totally agree with this and I think that one has =
to know the material
before working as a group.  Some university =
courses are so caught up in
the terminology like "team work", they =
seem to jump a step.

Just like it would be good to learn how to =
add before you can use a
calculator.  Yes, everyone nowadays =
uses a calculator -- it is in high
school curriculum now and it is =
also the "real world" -- but strange to
focus on the calculator if =
someone does not even know how to do the
operations that a calculator =
does...

Ray



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