"xdm: not enough core" - bug - Minix

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  1. "xdm: not enough core" - bug

    Hi!


    I searched your "comp.os.minix" group for the "xdm: not enough core"
    bug and tried to solve the problem with the "chmem" tweak.
    Nevertheless "xdm" or "startx" don't work on my computer (Olivetti
    Echos P133C - 133Mhz P1, 16MB Ram, 1GB HD, 1MB Graphics Card)

    During my tests I also tried to configure "chmem" in even 1MB steps...
    but without any success.

    Could you help me with my problem?


    Greetings from Austria
    Harry


  2. Re: "xdm: not enough core" - bug

    On 13 Mar, 13:24, spam....@gmx.net wrote:
    > Hi!
    >
    > I searched your "comp.os.minix" group for the "xdm: not enough core"
    > bug and tried to solve the problem with the "chmem" tweak.
    > Nevertheless "xdm" or "startx" don't work on my computer (Olivetti
    > Echos P133C - 133Mhz P1, 16MB Ram, 1GB HD, 1MB Graphics Card)
    >
    > During my tests I also tried to configure "chmem" in even 1MB steps...
    > but without any success.
    >
    > Could you help me with my problem?
    >
    > Greetings from Austria
    > Harry


    I have the same problem. I ran minix3 on vmware with 128mb of ram for
    the virtual machine. Somebody knows what's the cause of this problem?


  3. Re: "xdm: not enough core" - bug

    In article <1173795929.493256.214860@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups. com>,
    Antonio Barba wrote:
    >I have the same problem. I ran minix3 on vmware with 128mb of ram for
    >the virtual machine. Somebody knows what's the cause of this problem?


    Unfortuately Minix 3 does not have virtual memory. This means that you need
    quite a bit of memory to run X. As shipped, 3.1.2a probably needs at 256 MB.
    It is possible to get X to run in less, but that requires tuning the 'chmem'
    sizes of the various X related binaries.


    --
    That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
    could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
    by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
    -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

  4. Re: "xdm: not enough core" - bug


    spam.box@gmx.net writes:

    > Hi!
    >
    >
    > I searched your "comp.os.minix" group for the "xdm: not enough core"
    > bug and tried to solve the problem with the "chmem" tweak.
    > Nevertheless "xdm" or "startx" don't work on my computer (Olivetti
    > Echos P133C - 133Mhz P1, 16MB Ram, 1GB HD, 1MB Graphics Card)
    >
    > During my tests I also tried to configure "chmem" in even 1MB steps...
    > but without any success.


    Did you chmem 'X' or xdm or startx? Did you try to start the X server
    on it's own? Did you check wether chmem actually worked?

    Regards -- Markus

  5. Re: "xdm: not enough core" - bug

    Markus E Leypold wrote:

    > spam.box@gmx.net writes:


    >> Hi!
    >>
    >>
    >> I searched your "comp.os.minix" group for the "xdm: not enough core"
    >> bug and tried to solve the problem with the "chmem" tweak.
    >> Nevertheless "xdm" or "startx" don't work on my computer (Olivetti
    >> Echos P133C - 133Mhz P1, 16MB Ram, 1GB HD, 1MB Graphics Card)
    >>
    >> During my tests I also tried to configure "chmem" in even 1MB steps...
    >> but without any success.


    > Did you chmem 'X' or xdm or startx? Did you try to start the X server
    > on it's own? Did you check wether chmem actually worked?


    I think running X with only 16 MB RAM is a lost cause. As Philip pointed
    out in another reply, 256 MB is probably the least you need to run X
    without complex tweaking of individual components.

    Regards,

    Jens

    --
    Jens de Smit
    Student Computer Science | Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
    jfdsmit@few.vu.nl | http://www.few.vu.nl/~jfdsmit
    "[In the end, people] get furious at IT that the goddamn magic isn't working"
    -- Stewart Dean

  6. Re: "xdm: not enough core" - bug


    Smit de JF writes:

    > Markus E Leypold wrote:
    >
    >> spam.box@gmx.net writes:

    >
    >>> Hi!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I searched your "comp.os.minix" group for the "xdm: not enough core"
    >>> bug and tried to solve the problem with the "chmem" tweak.
    >>> Nevertheless "xdm" or "startx" don't work on my computer (Olivetti
    >>> Echos P133C - 133Mhz P1, 16MB Ram, 1GB HD, 1MB Graphics Card)
    >>>
    >>> During my tests I also tried to configure "chmem" in even 1MB steps...
    >>> but without any success.

    >
    >> Did you chmem 'X' or xdm or startx? Did you try to start the X server
    >> on it's own? Did you check wether chmem actually worked?

    >
    > I think running X with only 16 MB RAM is a lost cause. As Philip pointed


    ACK. I conveniently overread the "16MB". I didn't even start thinking,
    since her didn't document very well what he already tried. Reflex
    action ... :-).

    > out in another reply, 256 MB is probably the least you need to run X
    > without complex tweaking of individual components.


    Yep. As long as Minix has no VM. I'm waiting for that, since I
    hope/expect the ability to run X in a small machin will come back
    then. After all we've been running X on smaller machines in the
    glorious past.

    Regards -- Markus


  7. Re: "xdm: not enough core" - bug

    In article ,
    Markus E Leypold
    wrote:
    >Yep. As long as Minix has no VM. I'm waiting for that, since I
    >hope/expect the ability to run X in a small machin will come back
    >then. After all we've been running X on smaller machines in the
    >glorious past.


    Minix-vmd should run on those machines.


    --
    That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
    could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
    by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
    -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

  8. Re: "xdm: not enough core" - bug


    philip@ue.aioy.eu (Philip Homburg) writes:

    > In article ,
    > Markus E Leypold
    > wrote:
    >>Yep. As long as Minix has no VM. I'm waiting for that, since I
    >>hope/expect the ability to run X in a small machin will come back
    >>then. After all we've been running X on smaller machines in the
    >>glorious past.

    >
    > Minix-vmd should run on those machines.


    Ah, yes, that too :-).

    Regards -- Markus


  9. Re: "xdm: not enough core" - bug

    On Mar 13, 6:56 pm, phi...@ue.aioy.eu (Philip Homburg) wrote:
    > In article <1173795929.493256.214...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups. com>,
    >
    > Antonio Barba wrote:
    > >I have the same problem. I ran minix3 on vmware with 128mb of ram for
    > >the virtual machine. Somebody knows what's the cause of this problem?

    >
    > Unfortuately Minix 3 does not have virtual memory. This means that you need
    > quite a bit of memory to run X. As shipped, 3.1.2a probably needs at 256 MB.
    > It is possible to get X to run in less, but that requires tuning the 'chmem'
    > sizes of the various X related binaries.
    >
    > --
    > That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
    > could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
    > by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
    > -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency


    Thank you, I thought that 128mb were enough to run X. I'm going to
    test with 300 - 400 MB. I don't have any problem about RAM, since I
    have 1gb in my laptop. I'll post later if it works.


  10. Re: "xdm: not enough core" - bug

    On Mar 14, 7:22 pm, "Antonio Barba" wrote:
    > On Mar 13, 6:56 pm, phi...@ue.aioy.eu (Philip Homburg) wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > In article <1173795929.493256.214...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups. com>,

    >
    > > Antonio Barba wrote:
    > > >I have the same problem. I ran minix3 on vmware with 128mb of ram for
    > > >the virtual machine. Somebody knows what's the cause of this problem?

    >
    > > Unfortuately Minix 3 does not have virtual memory. This means that you need
    > > quite a bit of memory to run X. As shipped, 3.1.2a probably needs at 256 MB.
    > > It is possible to get X to run in less, but that requires tuning the 'chmem'
    > > sizes of the various X related binaries.

    >
    > > --
    > > That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
    > > could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
    > > by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
    > > -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

    >
    > Thank you, I thought that 128mb were enough to run X. I'm going to
    > test with 300 - 400 MB. I don't have any problem about RAM, since I
    > have 1gb in my laptop. I'll post later if it works.


    Nice! Really slow but working! Thank you very much!


  11. Re: "xdm: not enough core" - bug

    In article <1173896551.448211.276430@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups. com>,
    Antonio Barba wrote:
    >Thank you, I thought that 128mb were enough to run X. I'm going to
    >test with 300 - 400 MB. I don't have any problem about RAM, since I
    >have 1gb in my laptop. I'll post later if it works.


    I think that for vmware you have to reduce the size of the X binary.
    Auto-sizing heuristics fail in the case of vmware. A size of 64MB should
    be enough.


    --
    That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
    could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
    by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
    -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

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