On Feb 14, 11:34 pm, vlholme...@netzero.net wrote:
> I must be a complete idiot:
> downloaded 3.1.2a.iso images (ide-zip & ide-bz2), md5's check ok, they
> both appear to uncompress ok, I burn cd's of .iso images and they are
> unreadable. I have tried nero and nero express. Is it me or is it
> nero?


It is likely both you /and/ Nero. You probably haven't found and used
the proper Nero option to burn a .iso to CD.

As I understand it, Nero hides the option you need. Look for something
in the Nero menus that will "burn file as a CD image", and use that.
Otherwise, Nero burns the CD as a directory containing the .iso as a
file, not as a CD who's contents are the contents of the .iso file.

HTH
--
Lew

> downloaded 3.1.2a.iso images (ide-zip & ide-bz2), md5's check ok, they
> both appear to uncompress ok, I burn cd's of .iso images and they are
> unreadable. I have tried nero and nero express. Is it me or is it
> nero?

Did you burn the files as images onto a cd?

In Nero 6 there is a menu called "Rekorder" -> "Image brennen" (in english
they might be called "Writer" (4th item) -> "Burn image" (4th item) ).
If you did, you might give cdrecord a try. It is included in cygwin, but a
win32 port should exist.

Regards,
Sebastian

On Feb 15, 9:42 am, "Sebastian" wrote:
> > downloaded 3.1.2a.iso images (ide-zip & ide-bz2), md5's check ok, they
> > both appear to uncompress ok, I burn cd's of .iso images and they are
> > unreadable. I have tried nero and nero express. Is it me or is it
> > nero?
>
> Did you burn the files as images onto a cd?
>
> In Nero 6 there is a menu called "Rekorder" -> "Image brennen" (in english
> they might be called "Writer" (4th item) -> "Burn image" (4th item) ).
> If you did, you might give cdrecord a try. It is included in cygwin, but a
> win32 port should exist.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian

I just burned a fedora iso to reassure myself that the burner & nero
are still ok. The reason I am trying to try MINIX3 is because a
friend gave me an old laptop (133MHx, 24MByte RAM) that is
'inadequate' for Linux. I downloaded the uncompressed MINIX2 on DOS
and put it on. It is wonderful, but I prepared a partition just for
MINIX, and want to put on the latest & greatest in it's pure form. I
am almost convinced nero just doesn't like me and/or the MINIX3.iso.
Thanks for the advice, but the problem goes deeper than finding the
right button in nero.

a little more info. I downloaded a couple of other burners, and both
created cd's that were unreadable. I downloaded a utility called
ISOedit which would expand and exreact (at least some of) the iso. It
gave me this:

Directory of C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\minix3

BOOTFLOP IMG 1,474,560 02-15-07 7:44p BOOTFLOP.IMG
PRESZ134 ZIP 100,192 02-15-07 7:44p PRESZ134.ZIP
README TXT 2,691 02-15-07 7:44p README.TXT
SETUP PDF 25,032 02-15-07 7:44p SETUP.PDF
SETUP PS 48,748 02-15-07 7:44p SETUP.PS
VERSION TXT 69 02-15-07 7:44p VERSION.TXT
7 file(s) 1,651,292 bytes

the ReadMe.txt does not list any files that do not appear in the
directory listing, but the 1.6MByte size makes be believe that the
"many invisible files used for installing MINIX 3." mentioned are
missing. I have used every angle I know in windows and dos to find
them, and can't. Soooooo, is there any alternative means of
obtaining the 'many hidden files'. At this point, I would really like
to find a place to download an un-iso'd minix3 install, since the
compressed, but not iso'd minix2 for dos works so well.
Thanks again, lew

In article <1171642096.551365.190750@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups. com>,
wrote:
>the ReadMe.txt does not list any files that do not appear in the
>directory listing, but the 1.6MByte size makes be believe that the
>"many invisible files used for installing MINIX 3." mentioned are
>missing.

They are invisible. So, they won't appear in directory listings.

>Soooooo, is there any alternative means of
>obtaining the 'many hidden files'.

A much better alternative is to make absolutely sure that the message
digest matches, and then install bochs, qemu, or vmware server and boot
the CD in an emulator to see whether the image still fails.

There is a small possibility that Minix cannot handle your hardware.


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On Feb 16, 1:38 pm, phi...@ue.aioy.eu (Philip Homburg) wrote:
> In article <1171642096.551365.190...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups. com>,
>
> wrote:
> >the ReadMe.txt does not list any files that do not appear in the
> >directory listing, but the 1.6MByte size makes be believe that the
> >"many invisible files used for installing MINIX 3." mentioned are
> >missing.
>
> They are invisible. So, they won't appear in directory listings.

yes, invisible, but they do use bytes. When I look at any one of the
more than half dozen cd's I have trashed trying different
decompression software and different burner programs in various
permutations, the burned portion of the cd appears to be about 1/4 of
the burnable radius...
>
> >Soooooo, is there any alternative means of
> >obtaining the 'many hidden files'.
>
> A much better alternative is to make absolutely sure that the message
> digest matches, and then install bochs, qemu, or vmware server and boot
> the CD in an emulator to see whether the image still fails.

I guess I failed to clearly convey the problem. When i put the cd in
the drive and click on theT: icon in windows explorer, windows
regurgetates a message:
T:\ is not accessable.
A device attached to the system is not working.

I honestly don't believe you can boot a cd that you can't read, but if
you would be kind enough to provide me with more specific
instructions, I would like to give it a try. I have installed bochs
and minix204, and they work ..
>
> There is a small possibility that Minix cannot handle your hardware.

again minix runs in the emulator, and minix for dos runs fine. (both
are 2.0.4 and were downloaded uncompressed, though)

>
> --
> That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
> could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
> by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
> -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

(maybe the Vogons have infected my brain, but I'm begining to think
resistance is futile)

In article <1171681025.113652.145990@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups. com>,
wrote:
>On Feb 16, 1:38 pm, phi...@ue.aioy.eu (Philip Homburg) wrote:
>> In article <1171642096.551365.190...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups. com>,
>>
>> wrote:
>> >the ReadMe.txt does not list any files that do not appear in the
>> >directory listing, but the 1.6MByte size makes be believe that the
>> >"many invisible files used for installing MINIX 3." mentioned are
>> >missing.
>>
>> They are invisible. So, they won't appear in directory listings.
>
>yes, invisible, but they do use bytes. When I look at any one of the
>more than half dozen cd's I have trashed trying different
>decompression software and different burner programs in various
>permutations, the burned portion of the cd appears to be about 1/4 of
>the burnable radius...

Let me first point out the existance of CD-RW. There is no point in trashing
an endless series of CD-Rs, if you can just use one CD-RW.

I verified both images and they both decompress to a 427819008 byte image
with md5 sum 5572a697a3ae7a56aeabeb1871d8b0e2

>> There is a small possibility that Minix cannot handle your hardware.
>
>again minix runs in the emulator, and minix for dos runs fine. (both
>are 2.0.4 and were downloaded uncompressed, though)

Bochs should be able to use a file as a CD-ROM image. If the decompressed
image has the size and sum listed above, then bochs should be able to use it.
There is no need to burn it to a CD if you want to use it in an emulator.

If you have some kind of Unix, you can verify to contents of the CD
using
dd < your-cdrom-device bs=2k count=208896 | md5sum


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That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
-- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

Hello,

> If you have some kind of Unix, you can verify to contents of the CD
> using
> dd < your-cdrom-device bs=2k count=208896 | md5sum

Did you mean:
dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2k count=208896 | md5sum
? (Put in your cdrom device instead of /dev/cdrom.)

Regards,
Sebastian

Hello,

> I just burned a fedora iso to reassure myself that the burner & nero
> are still ok.
Then your problem is, as you stated, deeper inside the system.
Did you try to burn it somewhere else?

> The reason I am trying to try MINIX3 is because a
> friend gave me an old laptop (133MHx, 24MByte RAM) that is
> 'inadequate' for Linux.
Then you wouldn't be happy of Minix 3's X11 implementation. As Minix doesn't
have virtual memory at some places, you need a lot of memory to simply run
X.
In my opinion, this machine is very adequate for Linux, if you use an older
version. I ran SuSE 6.2 on such a machine (but doubled the memory after a
year). If you can extend the memory, it is better to use, but 24 Mb are
quite a lot.
It depends what you want to do with it. I think most flexibility is to put
Win95b+IE4+IE5 (with Active Desktop) on it and have peace. This is the
configuration I used many years - and it still works at my aunt's.

The problem is that most gimmicks Linux has (and Minix refused to implement)
make it very greedy; even my 512 Mb are not enough for some new
distribution. I dislike this way of doing it, but the distributors shall do
as they want it.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get my own Linux to work yet, so I'm stuck
with Windows.

> I downloaded the uncompressed MINIX2 on DOS
> and put it on. It is wonderful, but I prepared a partition just for
> MINIX, and want to put on the latest & greatest in it's pure form.
Then you have again hit a memory requirement if you want to have something
graphical (which is, what you are out after, I think...).

> I am almost convinced nero just doesn't like me and/or the MINIX3.iso.
> Thanks for the advice, but the problem goes deeper than finding the
> right button in nero.
Then I can't help (I never burned a Minix3-CD), sorry.

Regards,
Sebastian

In article <45d70a24$0$6440$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net>,
Sebastian wrote:
>Hello,
>
>> If you have some kind of Unix, you can verify to contents of the CD
>> using
>> dd < your-cdrom-device bs=2k count=208896 | md5sum
>
>Did you mean:
>dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2k count=208896 | md5sum
>? (Put in your cdrom device instead of /dev/cdrom.)

'if=' and '<' are the same for dd.


--
That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
-- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

to Phillip: Thanks muchly for the advice!
yes, r/w's are an excellent idea, I must go get some.
Yes, both the zip and bz2 expand to the same size you describe. the
iso's md5 matchs the one you gave me. (thanks for that, too) I'll try
bochs on it or it onbochs, if you prefer. I don't have a linux
availabe here, do at home approx 450 mi. north, though, so that
approach must wait.

to Sebastion: much thanks to you, also! And I hope you get your
linux up soon.
unfortunately my best alternative for burning is in another state, but
when I get home I am going to give it a workout.
re: x11... Actually, I am somewhat old school and was looking forward
to getting back to an ascii interface. The laptop I am trying to
install minix3 on is actually faster and better in every way than the
machine I was using sco xenix on 15+ years ago. It has w98se so when
I feel like returning to this century, I can (slowly).

Again, I appreciate the advice and info,
Lew

Hello,

> 'if=' and '<' are the same for dd
Even if parameters for dd follow after the '<' ?
I didn't know that, but can't try out here.

> to Sebastion: much thanks to you, also! And I hope you get your
> linux up soon.

Although it is getting OT a bit...
I gave up trying to compile XF86 3.3.6 on a modern toolchain (and BusyBox on
an old one)

> The laptop I am trying to
> install minix3 on is actually faster and better in every way than the
> machine I was using sco xenix on 15+ years ago.

I have such a machine and got my hands on Xenix-286 2.3.2 (which runs
happily on the same system as minix-286), but I did find neither the tcp/ip
package nor the development-package anymore, so this machine is unable to
gzip and, unfortunately, off-line.

> Again, I appreciate the advice and info,

Sorry that I could not help.
My last idea was to install Minix using an emulator and "dd" the resulting
image onto the original hard disk. I believe Minix doesn't take care much
about the hardware it runs on (chipset, gpu) and won't recognize the
different system. If you can read the cd from inside Minix then, you could
proceed with installing...

Regards,
Sebastian

On Feb 18, 10:38 am, "Sebastian" wrote:
> Hello,
>
> > 'if=' and '<' are the same for dd
>
> Even if parameters for dd follow after the '<' ?
> I didn't know that, but can't try out here.
>
> > to Sebastion: much thanks to you, also! And I hope you get your
> > linux up soon.
>
> Although it is getting OT a bit...
> I gave up trying to compile XF86 3.3.6 on a modern toolchain (and BusyBox on
> an old one)
>
> > The laptop I am trying to
> > install minix3 on is actually faster and better in every way than the
> > machine I was using sco xenix on 15+ years ago.
>
> I have such a machine and got my hands on Xenix-286 2.3.2 (which runs
> happily on the same system as minix-286), but I did find neither the tcp/ip
> package nor the development-package anymore, so this machine is unable to
> gzip and, unfortunately, off-line.
>
> > Again, I appreciate the advice and info,
>
> Sorry that I could not help.
> My last idea was to install Minix using an emulator and "dd" the resulting
> image onto the original hard disk. I believe Minix doesn't take care much
> about the hardware it runs on (chipset, gpu) and won't recognize the
> different system. If you can read the cd from inside Minix then, you could
> proceed with installing...
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian

I am currently trying your 'last idea'. So far I have not been able
to mount the iso, but since the rest of the world seems to be able to,
it surely is me doing something wrong. If it doesn't work soon, I am
going to try to compile the '3' source on 'minix2 on dos', and see
what I get.
Man, I thought I was an antiquer, but you got me beat. I do respect a
guy who is willing to take on something like xenix286 for fun. I was
getting paid when I did it.

Regards back,
Lew

I downloaded the file IDE-3.1.2a.iso.bz2 checked it's MD%, and decompressed
it. I used Nero to burn it to a CD with no problems. Of course, Windoze can
only "see" the dos/win compatible part of the disc.

I'm using Nero V6.6.1.4

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>I must be a complete idiot:
> downloaded 3.1.2a.iso images (ide-zip & ide-bz2), md5's check ok, they
> both appear to uncompress ok, I burn cd's of .iso images and they are
> unreadable. I have tried nero and nero express. Is it me or is it
> nero?
>

vlholmesjr@netzero.net дµÀ:
> I must be a complete idiot:
> .....
could you please tell me what download tools do you use? I use kget and
wget.but I can't download it completely.I don't know why.

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