On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:04:26 -0400, TJ wrote:
> As I have done the last couple of years, I decided to download the i586
> dvd iso of Mandriva 2009.0 Free using Kget 0.8.5 (Mandriva 2008.1 and
> KDE 3.5.9) last night, but was unsuccessful. I think there may be a
> couple of things going on here, but since I don't know much, that would
> only be a guess. I will simply report what I did and what I saw, and let
> the experts take it from there, if something needs to be done.

My WAG, either you ran out of space or were losing the connection.

Following script uses ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu in the USA. If you do a
host ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu you will see they have three servers.


Save this script as wg_2009_0, then chmod +x wg_2009_0, and when
you are ready to fetch the free dvd iso, do a
../wg_2009_0

#!/bin/bash
#************************************************* ***
#*
#* wg_2009_0 - network download release 2009.0
#*
#************************************************* ***

_exe=$0

_cmd="echo wget"

_rel=2009.0

_yr=${_rel:0:4}
_ver=${_rel:5:1}
_arch=i586
_phase=rc2
# _cycle=devel
_cycle=official

if [ 1 -eq 0 ] ; then
# ftp://ftp.cise.ufl.edu/pub/mirrors/m.../official/iso/
_mirror=ftp://ftp.cise.ufl.edu
_pub_loc=pub/mirrors
_iso_loc=mandrake/Mandrakelinux/$_cycle/iso/${_rel}
fi

if [ 1 -eq 0 ] ; then
# ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrakelinux/official/iso/$_rel/
_mirror=ftp://ftp.rpmfind.net
_pub_loc=linux
_iso_loc=Mandrakelinux/$_cycle/iso/${_rel}
fi

if [ 1 -eq 0 ] ; then
# ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrakelinux/official/iso/$_rel/
_mirror=ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net
_pub_loc=linux
_iso_loc=Mandrakelinux/$_cycle/iso/${_rel}
fi

if [ 1 -eq 0 ] ; then
# ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrakelinux/official/iso/$_rel/
_mirror=ftp://ftp.ciril.fr
_pub_loc=pub/linux
_iso_loc=mandrivalinux/$_cycle/iso/${_rel}
fi

if [ 0 -eq 0 ] ; then
# ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/mandrake/devel/iso/$_rel/beta1/
_mirror=ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu
_pub_loc=pub
_iso_loc=mandrake/$_cycle/iso/${_rel}
fi

if [ 1 -eq 0 ] ; then
# ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mandrivalinux/official/iso/$_rel
_mirror=ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu
_pub_loc=pub/linux/distributions
_iso_loc=mandrivalinux/$_cycle/iso/${_rel}
fi


if [ "$_cycle" = "devel" ] ; then
_iso_loc=/$_iso_loc/$_phase
_cd="mandriva-linux-free-${_yr}-sophie"
else
if [ $_ver -eq 1 ] ; then
_cd="mandriva-linux-free-${_yr}-spring"
else
_cd="mandriva-linux-free-${_yr}"
fi
fi


_media=cd

_cd_fn="\
${_cd}-cd1-cd2-cd3.${_arch}.idx \
${_cd}-cd1-${_arch}.iso.md5 \
${_cd}-cd1-${_arch}.iso \
${_cd}-cd2-${_arch}.iso.md5 \
${_cd}-cd2-${_arch}.iso \
${_cd}-cd3-${_arch}.iso.md5 \
${_cd}-cd4-${_arch}.iso \
"

_media=dvd
_dvd_fn="\
${_cd}-${_media}-${_arch}.iso.md5 \
${_cd}-${_media}-${_arch}.idx \
${_cd}-${_media}-${_arch}.iso\
"


case $_media in
"cd")
_fn_lst="$_cd_fn"
;;
"dvd")
_fn_lst="$_dvd_fn"
;;
*)
echo "Unknown media type"
exit 1
;;
esac

echo "


Working $_mirror/$_pub_loc/$_iso_loc/

"
echo "Working $_mirror/$_pub_loc/$_iso_loc/" > ${_exe}.start
echo " Started Download $(date) " >> ${_exe}.start

for x in $_fn_lst ; do
if [ -e $x ] ; then
echo "already downloaded $x"
else
$_cmd $_mirror/$_pub_loc/$_iso_loc/${x}
fi
done

echo "Finished download $(date) " >> ${_exe}.start

for x in ${_cd}*iso.md5 ; do
echo md5sum -c $x
md5sum -c $x
done

echo "Finished $_exe $(date) " >> ${_exe}.start

#************** end wg_2009_0 **************************

Bit Twister wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:04:26 -0400, TJ wrote:
>> As I have done the last couple of years, I decided to download the i586
>> dvd iso of Mandriva 2009.0 Free using Kget 0.8.5 (Mandriva 2008.1 and
>> KDE 3.5.9) last night, but was unsuccessful. I think there may be a
>> couple of things going on here, but since I don't know much, that would
>> only be a guess. I will simply report what I did and what I saw, and let
>> the experts take it from there, if something needs to be done.
>
> My WAG, either you ran out of space or were losing the connection.
>
That drive/partition shows 49 gigs of space available, so I don't think
space was the problem, and connections on my end, at least, have been
rock-solid for months. My service can be disrupted by bad weather, but
last night was gorgeous and quiet.

I will look into your script tonight, when I'm not so busy trying to
sell winter squash and pumpkins.

TJ

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:44:23 +0000 (UTC), Bit Twister wrote:

Frap, forgot to take out a one line debugging command. Change your copy

> #!/bin/bash
> #************************************************* ***
> #*
> #* wg_2009_0 - network download release 2009.0
> #*
> #************************************************* ***
>
> _exe=$0
>

Change _cmd="echo wget"
to _cmd="wget"

TJ writes:

>As I have done the last couple of years, I decided to download the i586
>dvd iso of Mandriva 2009.0 Free using Kget 0.8.5 (Mandriva 2008.1 and
>KDE 3.5.9) last night, but was unsuccessful. I think there may be a
>couple of things going on here, but since I don't know much, that would
>only be a guess. I will simply report what I did and what I saw, and let
>the experts take it from there, if something needs to be done.

>The procedure I use is to select an ftp mirror through Firefox, then
>copy and paste the location of the file I want to download to Kget. As I
>am in the US, I thought first of trying a mirror close by, also in the
>US. That was my first mistake. I saw a download speed of 10-20, most
>likely because of the demand. So I decided to choose a mirror that I
>thought was potentially less popular, and in a time zone where it was
>late at night. I chose Iceland. Kget seemed to start OK, with speeds of
>150-190 or so, but I noticed that the % indicator said it was 99% done,
>and there was no number in the "time left" area. However, the byte count
>advanced, and the LEDs on my router indicated activity. I went to bed,
>and let it do its thing.

>I woke up once around 5am, and came out to check on its progress. It was
>still downloading, with 3.5 GB downloaded, but still "99%" and zeros in
>the "time left" column. When I got up I checked again. It had shut off,
>so I assumed it finished, but when I looked in my Downloads folder it
>wasn't there. I restarted Kget to check the log, but it had been erased
>when it shut down, or I neglected to activate it. I tried starting the
>download again, same mirror, same indications, but paused it after a few
>minutes and looked at the log, where it said there was a file size
>mismatch. Tried reloading the url, same result. I then tried a mirror in
>Switzerland, and that looks OK. I'll start that up again tonight, as my
>ISP would rather I did my heavy downloading at night, and since I get my
>service for free I'd rather not tick off my ISP.

>My own speculation here is that for one thing, there's something wrong
>with the iso at that Iceland mirror. The other thing is that Kget should
>have stopped completely, with an error message, when the file sizes
>didn't match, but didn't. But I'm no expert. What do you guys think?

I think you did not read the release notes. Torrent is the way to download
the iso. Overloading some poor server doing an ftp download is silly. Right
now the web is full of people willing to allow you to download Mandriva.
Using an ftp source is silly. They probably cut you off or shutdown their
computer for maintenance, or noticed that people were overloading their
system. Note that I got download speeds of 5MB/s via torrent at times-- in
focat most of the download occured at those high speeds ( although it took
5hr altogether)


>TJ

Unruh wrote:

>
> I think you did not read the release notes. Torrent is the way to download
> the iso. Overloading some poor server doing an ftp download is silly. Right
> now the web is full of people willing to allow you to download Mandriva.
> Using an ftp source is silly. They probably cut you off or shutdown their
> computer for maintenance, or noticed that people were overloading their
> system. Note that I got download speeds of 5MB/s via torrent at times-- in
> focat most of the download occured at those high speeds ( although it took
> 5hr altogether)
>
You are correct that I didn't read the release notes - this time. But
silly me, in the past I waited a month or so after the release for any
final set of bugs to shake themselves out before I tried a download from
some poor server that by that time wasn't overloaded any more. Since I
won't have a chance to do an install before US Election Day, I'll now
probably wait until then to do the download. Perhaps then it won't be so
silly and I won't annoy my provider so much, either. He'd rather I
didn't use torrents at all.

But you apparently didn't read what I wrote, either. You were too busy
being turned off by the very idea of somebody daring to use an ftp
mirror. I wasn't cut off. The US mirror was slow, but functioning
correctly. It no doubt was overloaded, the reason why I left after just
a couple of minutes. My maximum download speed, btw, is 2.5 Mb/s, or
roughly 300kB/s.

The Iceland site didn't cut me off or go down for maintenance, either.
While it appeared to be feeding me at half my maximum speed, it just
never did work correctly, and it didn't matter whether I tried to start
the download at night (my time) or in the morning. I should have known
that something was up when I didn't get a "time left" number. In the
future, I'll know better.

The Switzerland site fed me, apparently correctly, at my maximum for the
few minutes that I tried it, but by then had I continued I would have
overloaded my provider's network, or at least my small part of it,
during business hours. That's not the way to continue a good
relationship, so I stopped.

I'll try the download again in a few weeks, after the rush has subsided.
If I again have trouble with the download, I'll just fumble around on my
own until I get it somehow. I thought that I had stumbled onto a
possible problem that someone might want to look in to, but I can see
now that I was just being silly. Since I can't do any coding, I thought
it was a way to do something to help The Cause. Guess I was wrong. Sorry
I bothered you. It won't happen again.

TJ

TJ wrote:

> I'll try the download again in a few weeks, after the rush has subsided.
> If I again have trouble with the download, I'll just fumble around on my
> own until I get it somehow. I thought that I had stumbled onto a
> possible problem that someone might want to look in to, but I can see
> now that I was just being silly. Since I can't do any coding, I thought
> it was a way to do something to help The Cause. Guess I was wrong. Sorry
> I bothered you. It won't happen again.
>

With Verizon DSL as my ISP I've always had good FTP and HTTP rates from
France and there 'Free.net' mirror including today it maxed-out at my
usual 355KB on 3000/768 Verizon DSL residential account from [central
IL]. infact I've never seen it fall below 350KB from release day on...

But with AT&T DSL and same DSL rate plan and same day with different US to
France network [AT&T] this French ISP was not nearly or only half as
fast, so you or no one knows or can say how any server or network or
protocol is gonna perform until you try it.

--
Patrick...at
Latitude: 40.48*
Longitude:-88.95*

Patrick Phillips wrote:
>
> With Verizon DSL as my ISP I've always had good FTP and HTTP rates from
> France and there 'Free.net' mirror including today it maxed-out at my
> usual 355KB on 3000/768 Verizon DSL residential account from [central
> IL]. infact I've never seen it fall below 350KB from release day on...
>
> But with AT&T DSL and same DSL rate plan and same day with different US to
> France network [AT&T] this French ISP was not nearly or only half as
> fast, so you or no one knows or can say how any server or network or
> protocol is gonna perform until you try it.
>
Agreed, and that performance can vary from time to time because of
traffic and the routing you may receive in getting from here to there. I
understand all that, having online experience that pre-dates the Web.
The problem I referred to was not the speeds I saw, but rather the file
size mismatch I got from Iceland, and that Kget continued to download
anyway. I have no idea what Kget downloaded, since there was nothing
there when it stopped.

That, to me, is a problem. I must be wrong, though, since apparently no
one else cares about it enough to even take a look to see where I may
have gone wrong, or if some other human actually DID make a mistake.

Sorry for the attitude. Few things annoy me more than when I try to do
some little thing to help out, only to be kicked in the teeth for doing
so. I shall try to contain that annoyance.

TJ

TJ wrote:

> I have no idea what Kget downloaded, since there was nothing
> there when it stopped.
>
> That, to me, is a problem. I must be wrong, though, since apparently no
> one else cares about it enough to even take a look to see where I may
> have gone wrong, or if some other human actually DID make a mistake.
>
> Sorry for the attitude. Few things annoy me more than when I try to do
> some little thing to help out, only to be kicked in the teeth for doing
> so. I shall try to contain that annoyance.
>

Well that is just plain weird and unheard of by me and probably won't
happen a second time...but to be safe I'd try a different mirror :-)
--
Patrick...at
Latitude: 40.48*
Longitude: -88.95*

OK, I just tried the Iceland site again, with the same results. Here is
what I did, step by step:

1. Went to the Mandriva Downloads site, selected the Free dvd, selected
Iceland, then clicked on the top url.

2. Firefox gave me the "Do you want to save this file" dialog box. This
time I clicked on "yes" to see what Firefox would do with it, and the
download appeared to start normally. After a minute or so, I canceled
the download. I normally don't use Firefox's downloader for files that
may take more than one session, since I have never been able to make it
pause and resume if I happen to shut down. I shut my computer down when
I'm not using it to save on my electric bill.

3. After canceling the Firefox download, I clicked on the "if your
download doesn't start automatically" link, which brought up the ftp
directory. This, by the way, is the procedure I had to use to get to the
CD versions before I bought my dvd burner. I made my way to the dvd iso,
right-clicked, and selected "Copy link location."

4. I started Kget, and pasted the "link location" into it, which started
the download. This procedure works with other ftp mirrors, but with this
particular file on this particular server, the "time left" column still
shows "00:00." I deleted the whole thing after a half-minute or so.

5. This is what my Kget log shows when I finished the above:

> 08:15:28 : Welcome to KGet
> 08:40:11 : Job[1] : Copy file from: ftp://ftp.rhnet.is/pub/Mandrakelinux...9-dvd-i586.iso
> 08:40:11 : Job[1] : To: file:///home/tom/Download/mandriva-linux-free-2009-dvd-i586.iso
> 08:40:11 : Starting another queued job.
> 08:40:11 : Job[1] : Attempt number 1
> 08:40:11 : Job[1] : Opening connection to host ftp.rhnet.is
> 08:40:12 : Job[1] : Connected to host ftp.rhnet.is
> 08:40:12 : Job[1] : Sending login information
> 08:40:13 : Job[1] : Login OK
> 08:40:14 : Job[1] : Download resumed
> 08:40:14 : Job[1] : Total size is 183 bytes
> 08:40:14 : Job[1] : Download resumed
> 08:40:14 : Job[1] : The file size does not match.

Other sites do the download, this one doesn't. Please, someone tell me
why this one is always different from the rest.

TJ