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  1. ATI graphics card conumdrum

    I have a Radeon 9800SE AGP graphics card that works fine in XP Pro and until
    recently in Mandriva 2008 Spring. Then I installed the proprietary driver
    from ATI. It installed fine and I configured the system to use it. Logged
    out and back in again. No problems at all.

    Then this morning on starting the system it got as far as starting the
    display manager (KDE) and all I got was a dark, blank screen. I thought at
    first that the card itself was faulty so I rebooted into XP. No problems at
    all.

    Fortunately, I have a spare card I keep about just for insurance. A Radeon
    9550. So I replaced the card and, Hey Presto, KDE loads and displays
    without any fuss! ATI Catalyst Control Centre runs and I can adjust the
    settings any way I want.

    I know that previous versions of the ATI driver were completely naff, but
    their claims for this version (8-5_x86) do seem to be specious as well.

    Would I be better off simply buying an NVidia card! Do their drivers work as
    they should?

    Tim.

  2. Re: ATI graphics card conumdrum

    On Jun 19, 9:59*am, SomeBloke wrote:
    > I have a Radeon 9800SE AGP graphics card that works fine in XP Pro and until
    > recently in Mandriva 2008 Spring. Then I installed the proprietary driver
    > from ATI. It installed fine and I configured the system to use it. Logged
    > out and back in again. No problems at all.
    >
    > Then this morning on starting the system it got as far as starting the
    > display manager (KDE) and all I got was a dark, blank screen. I thought at
    > first that the card itself was faulty so I rebooted into XP. No problems at
    > all.
    >
    > Fortunately, I have a spare card I keep about just for insurance. A Radeon
    > 9550. So I replaced the card and, Hey Presto, KDE loads and displays
    > without any fuss! ATI Catalyst Control Centre runs and I can adjust the
    > settings any way I want.
    >
    > I know that previous versions of the ATI driver were completely naff, but
    > their claims for this version (8-5_x86) do seem to be specious as well.
    >
    > Would I be better off simply buying an NVidia card! Do their drivers workas
    > they should?
    >
    > Tim.


    NVIDIA'S drivers for Linux have been pretty good when compared to
    ATI. I have never had a problem with NVIDIA cards and linux. I had a
    laptop with an ATI card and could never get their drivers to work.

  3. Re: ATI graphics card conumdrum

    On Thursday 19 June 2008 15:59, someone who identifies as *SomeBloke* wrote
    in /alt.os.linux.mandriva:/

    > I have a Radeon 9800SE AGP graphics card that works fine in XP Pro and
    > until recently in Mandriva 2008 Spring. Then I installed the proprietary
    > driver from ATI. It installed fine and I configured the system to use it.
    > Logged out and back in again. No problems at all.
    >
    > Then this morning on starting the system it got as far as starting the
    > display manager (KDE) and all I got was a dark, blank screen. I thought at
    > first that the card itself was faulty so I rebooted into XP. No problems
    > at all.
    >
    > Fortunately, I have a spare card I keep about just for insurance. A Radeon
    > 9550. So I replaced the card and, Hey Presto, KDE loads and displays
    > without any fuss! ATI Catalyst Control Centre runs and I can adjust the
    > settings any way I want.
    >
    > I know that previous versions of the ATI driver were completely naff, but
    > their claims for this version (8-5_x86) do seem to be specious as well.
    >
    > Would I be better off simply buying an NVidia card! Do their drivers work
    > as they should?


    ATi has always had a smaller team of coders working on their driver code, so
    their drivers were always of poor quality compared to nVidia's. However,
    even nVidia has its problems. I regularly find that I need to reboot
    (using the /SysRq/ keys) due to an X crash which leaves even the
    commandline consoles garbled - read: unreadable.

    AMD has bought up ATi and has decided to open up the source code for their
    drivers, which should provide for better quality. However, there is the
    problem that certain aspects of the ATi driver code is still covered by the
    original proprietary licensing, which prevents AMD from fully opening up
    the source code until they've rewritten that code from scratch as FOSS
    code. :-/

    The bottom line is this: Everyone running GNU/Linux and needing decent
    graphics with accelerated 3D functionality is currently still at the mercy
    of proprietary video makers. ATi/AMD may offer solace for the future, and
    so may Intel, but nVidia has no intention whatsoever of releasing their
    drivers as FOSS. :-/

    --
    *Aragorn*
    (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

  4. Re: ATI graphics card conumdrum

    On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:18:18 +0200, Aragorn wrote:

    >> Would I be better off simply buying an NVidia card! Do their drivers work
    >> as they should?


    Yes. Nvidia cards/drivers work great in Linux, including accelerated 3D.

    > However, even nVidia has its problems. I regularly find that I need to
    > reboot (using the /SysRq/ keys) due to an X crash which leaves even the
    > commandline consoles garbled - read: unreadable.


    I have been running (numerous different) models of Nvidia cards for
    *years* with Linux, and have never seen that happen. Not once. I'd have
    to think that is caused by your particular hardware, and not the driver.


    --
    "Bother!" said Pooh, as he lay back and lit Piglet's cigarette.


  5. Re: ATI graphics card conumdrum

    On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:59:56 -0400, SomeBloke wrote:

    > I have a Radeon 9800SE AGP graphics card that works fine in XP Pro and until
    > recently in Mandriva 2008 Spring. Then I installed the proprietary driver
    > from ATI. It installed fine and I configured the system to use it. Logged
    > out and back in again. No problems at all.


    I have a 9200SE card, using the ati driver. See if falling back to version
    6.6.3 helps.

    See https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=38941#c9

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  6. Re: ATI graphics card conumdrum

    On Thursday 19 June 2008 17:38, someone who identifies as *Dan C* wrote
    in /alt.os.linux.mandriva:/

    > On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:18:18 +0200, Aragorn wrote:
    >
    >> However, even nVidia has its problems. I regularly find that I need to
    >> reboot (using the /SysRq/ keys) due to an X crash which leaves even the
    >> commandline consoles garbled - read: unreadable.

    >
    > I have been running (numerous different) models of Nvidia cards for
    > *years* with Linux, and have never seen that happen. Not once. I'd have
    > to think that is caused by your particular hardware, and not the driver.


    Well, your mileage may vary. The card I'm using in this machine is an MSI
    GeForce 5200 FX. Apart from the quirks I wrote about earlier, it seems to
    work flawlessly, i.e. I have very nice colors - the Eizo monitor helps -
    and I have smooth 3D operation.

    --
    *Aragorn*
    (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

  7. Re: ATI graphics card conumdrum

    David W. Hodgins wrote:

    > On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:59:56 -0400, SomeBloke wrote:
    >
    >> I have a Radeon 9800SE AGP graphics card that works fine in XP Pro and
    >> until recently in Mandriva 2008 Spring. Then I installed the proprietary
    >> driver from ATI. It installed fine and I configured the system to use it.
    >> Logged out and back in again. No problems at all.

    >
    > I have a 9200SE card, using the ati driver. See if falling back to
    > version 6.6.3 helps.
    >
    > See https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=38941#c9
    >
    > Regards, Dave Hodgins
    >


    Thanks for your reply.

    Strangely, I didn't uninstall the ATI driver, I simply replaced the graphics
    card with a 9550. It works as it should, that's what made me wonder if the
    driver itself isn't capable of running a 9800 properly.

    Tim.

  8. Re: ATI graphics card conumdrum

    SomeBloke wrote:

    > David W. Hodgins wrote:
    >
    >> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:59:56 -0400, SomeBloke wrote:
    >>
    >>> I have a Radeon 9800SE AGP graphics card that works fine in XP Pro and
    >>> until recently in Mandriva 2008 Spring. Then I installed the proprietary
    >>> driver from ATI. It installed fine and I configured the system to use
    >>> it. Logged out and back in again. No problems at all.

    >>
    >> I have a 9200SE card, using the ati driver. See if falling back to
    >> version 6.6.3 helps.
    >>
    >> See https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=38941#c9
    >>
    >> Regards, Dave Hodgins
    >>

    >
    > Thanks for your reply.
    >
    > Strangely, I didn't uninstall the ATI driver, I simply replaced the
    > graphics card with a 9550. It works as it should, that's what made me
    > wonder if the driver itself isn't capable of running a 9800 properly.
    >
    > Tim.
    >

    I have heard that nVidia cards work better, but that is only anecdotal.

    Doug.

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