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  1. 2008 Spring issues

    Installation of the free version went smoothly as did getting a DVB card to
    work. However, I could not find a 'make','gcc' nor where to get kernel
    sources. Advice would be welcome.


  2. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    On Sat, 03 May 2008 19:50:33 +0100, Alan Secker wrote:
    > Installation of the free version went smoothly as did getting a DVB card to
    > work. However, I could not find a 'make','gcc' nor where to get kernel
    > sources.


    My Suggestion:
    disable removable media in Software Management in the Mandriva Control Center.
    Then pick the mirror option at http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/


  3. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    Alan Secker wrote:

    > Installation of the free version went smoothly as did getting a DVB card
    > to work. However, I could not find a 'make','gcc' nor where to get kernel
    > sources. Advice would be welcome.


    Urpmi solved the problem but I would have preferred to have had 'hands-on'
    access.

    AS


  4. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    On Sat, 03 May 2008 21:59:20 +0100, Alan Secker wrote:
    >
    > Urpmi solved the problem but I would have preferred to have had 'hands-on'
    > access.


    Well, I'll have to guess you meant the gui did not have it.
    It did, you did not play with the selection pull down selectors.


  5. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    Alan Secker writes:

    >Installation of the free version went smoothly as did getting a DVB card to
    >work. However, I could not find a 'make','gcc' nor where to get kernel
    >sources. Advice would be welcome.


    Sounds like you isntalled Mandriva 2008.1 one. Get the full 3 disk version,
    and install the developement environment.



  6. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    Bit Twister wrote:

    > On Sat, 03 May 2008 21:59:20 +0100, Alan Secker wrote:
    >>
    >> Urpmi solved the problem but I would have preferred to have had
    >> 'hands-on' access.

    >
    > Well, I'll have to guess you meant the gui did not have it.


    Correct

    > It did, you did not play with the selection pull down selectors.


    I tried both searching and going through ever mnu selection.

    The kernel is recompiling a I write. I need a clean running kernel
    with matching source or headers i orde to install vmware server.
    For the first time for a long time, there were dependency issues.
    I was surcI wa downloading the full release and not 'One'.
    How can I tell?





  7. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    On Sat, 03 May 2008 23:20:44 +0100, Alan Secker wrote:
    >
    >> It did, you did not play with the selection pull down selectors.

    >
    > I tried both searching and going through ever mnu selection.


    Default is Packages with GUI. I changed mine to ALL ALL


    > I was surcI wa downloading the full release and not 'One'.
    > How can I tell?

    -free- or -pwp- in the iso name instead of -one-.

  8. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    Alan Secker writes:

    >Bit Twister wrote:


    >> On Sat, 03 May 2008 21:59:20 +0100, Alan Secker wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Urpmi solved the problem but I would have preferred to have had
    >>> 'hands-on' access.

    >>
    >> Well, I'll have to guess you meant the gui did not have it.


    >Correct


    >> It did, you did not play with the selection pull down selectors.


    >I tried both searching and going through ever mnu selection.


    >The kernel is recompiling a I write. I need a clean running kernel
    >with matching source or headers i orde to install vmware server.
    >For the first time for a long time, there were dependency issues.
    >I was surcI wa downloading the full release and not 'One'.
    >How can I tell?


    Size. One is 700MB, (1 CD) the full is three CDs .
    If you got the full then the developement stuff is all there.
    But it means wehn you installed you did not select developement stuff.






  9. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    On Sat, 03 May 2008, Unruh wrote:

    > Alan Secker writes:
    >
    >>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 21:59:20 +0100, Alan Secker wrote:
    >>>>

    [on 2008 not appearing to have certain packages]
    >>>> Urpmi solved the problem but I would have preferred to have had
    >>>> 'hands-on' access.
    >>>

    >
    > Size. One is 700MB, (1 CD) the full is three CDs . If you got the
    > full then the developement stuff is all there. But it means wehn
    > you installed you did not select developement stuff.


    I've just done a fresh install of 2008 spring and seen similar issues,

    urpmi mysql

    claimed there was no package of that name, similarly for blackbox, fluxbox, g++

    I was also using the 3 cd version and I'm pretty certain that I
    selected the development stuff (not that fluxbox should be in that bit!).

    Alan - did you also select the detailed selection option? - I did and
    then didn't see development

    Went to easyurpmi which sorted out the issue

    Robert
    --
    La grenouille songe..dans son château d'eau
    Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/

  10. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    Bit Twister wrote:

    > On Sat, 03 May 2008 23:20:44 +0100, Alan Secker wrote:
    >>
    >>> It did, you did not play with the selection pull down selectors.

    >>
    >> I tried both searching and going through ever mnu selection.

    >
    > Default is Packages with GUI. I changed mine to ALL ALL
    >
    >
    >> I was surcI wa downloading the full release and not 'One'.
    >> How can I tell?

    > -free- or -pwp- in the iso name instead of -one-.


    2008S-Free-i586-DVD

    Is what I have.

    To be honest, I cannot recall whether I selected the development stuff. In
    fact I cannot recall that stage, only the confirmation stage. Even so, i
    could not see the files when I searched the DVD. (4.43GB and 4407 files!
    Anyway, I seem to have overcome that issue and now have another!!!

    Thanks

    Alan




  11. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    On Sun, 04 May 2008 08:47:43 +0100, Alan Secker wrote:
    >
    >
    > what I have is 2008S-Free-i586-DVD



    I will have to assume you downloaded something like
    mandriva-linux-free-2008-spring-dvd-i586.iso 4555956 KB 04/04/2008 06:34:00 PM


    > To be honest, I cannot recall whether I selected the development stuff. In
    > fact I cannot recall that stage, only the confirmation stage.


    Guessing at this step
    http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/i...mdv2008/17.png

    you did not pick Custom, so you did not see this step
    http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/i...v08samos16.png

    > Even so, i
    > could not see the files when I searched the DVD. (4.43GB and 4407 files!


    Hmmm, quick check in the dvd's idx file, shows the packages:

    $ grep make- /mnt/cdrom/i586/pkg-2008-spring-cambria.idx
    2008S-Free-i586-DVD automake-1.10.1-1mdv2008.1.noarch
    2008S-Free-i586-DVD make-3.81-2mdv2008.1.i586

    $ grep gcc- /mnt/cdrom/i586/pkg-2008-spring-cambria.idx
    2008S-Free-i586-DVD gcc-4.2.3-6mnb1.i586
    2008S-Free-i586-DVD gcc-c++-4.2.3-6mnb1.i586
    2008S-Free-i586-DVD gcc-cpp-4.2.3-6mnb1.i586
    2008S-Free-i586-DVD manbo-mandriva-files-gcc-4.2.3-6mnb1.i586
    2008S-Free-i586-DVD manbo-mandriva-files-gcc-c++-4.2.3-6mnb1.i586

    > Anyway, I seem to have overcome that issue and now have another!!!


    Yes, saw those.

    > Thanks


    You are welcome.

  12. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    Robert Marshall writes:

    >On Sat, 03 May 2008, Unruh wrote:


    >> Alan Secker writes:
    >>
    >>>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 21:59:20 +0100, Alan Secker wrote:
    >>>>>

    >[on 2008 not appearing to have certain packages]
    >>>>> Urpmi solved the problem but I would have preferred to have had
    >>>>> 'hands-on' access.
    >>>>

    >>
    >> Size. One is 700MB, (1 CD) the full is three CDs . If you got the
    >> full then the developement stuff is all there. But it means wehn
    >> you installed you did not select developement stuff.


    >I've just done a fresh install of 2008 spring and seen similar issues,


    > urpmi mysql


    NO idea what is wrong since mysql is on the dvd.
    i586/media/main/mysql-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm
    (Mind you mine is the power dvd, so it is possible that the free one does
    not have it. )


    I suppose it is also possible that they did not somehow include it in the hdlist
    file.


    >claimed there was no package of that name, similarly for blackbox, fluxbox, g++


    blackbox is not there it is in contrib , fluxbox is, and it is gcc-c++, not g++
    Or gcc-cpp and they are there.


    >I was also using the 3 cd version and I'm pretty certain that I
    >selected the development stuff (not that fluxbox should be in that bit!).


    >Alan - did you also select the detailed selection option? - I did and
    >then didn't see development


    >Went to easyurpmi which sorted out the issue


    >Robert
    >--
    >La grenouille songe..dans son château d'eau
    >Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/


  13. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    On Sun, 04 May 2008 14:18:42 -0400, Unruh wrote:

    > NO idea what is wrong since mysql is on the dvd.
    > i586/media/main/mysql-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm
    > (Mind you mine is the power dvd, so it is possible that the free one does
    > not have it. )
    > I suppose it is also possible that they did not somehow include it in the hdlist
    > file.


    I have mandriva-linux-free-2008-spring-dvd-i586.iso ...

    find /media/cdrom/ -iname "mysql*"
    /media/cdrom/i586/media/main/mysql-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm
    /media/cdrom/i586/media/main/mysql-bench-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm
    /media/cdrom/i586/media/main/mysql-client-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm
    /media/cdrom/i586/media/main/mysql-common-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm
    /media/cdrom/i586/media/main/mysql-max-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm

    Partial output from "grep -I mysql /var/lib/urpmi/*" ...
    /var/lib/urpmi/names.Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free) - Installer:libmysql15
    /var/lib/urpmi/names.Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free) - Installer:mysql-client
    /var/lib/urpmi/names.Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free) - Installer:mysql-common
    /var/lib/urpmi/names.Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free) - Installer:mysql
    /var/lib/urpmi/names.Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free) - Installer:mysql-bench
    /var/lib/urpmi/names.Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free) - Installer:mysql-max

    So it's on the dvd, and the names were extracted from the hdlist for the dvd.

    I wonder if there was a burn problem?

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  14. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    On Sun, 04 May 2008, Unruh wrote:

    > Robert Marshall writes:
    >
    >>On Sat, 03 May 2008, Unruh wrote:

    >
    >>> Alan Secker writes:
    >>>
    >>>>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 21:59:20 +0100, Alan Secker wrote:
    >>>>>>

    >>[on 2008 not appearing to have certain packages]
    >>>>>> Urpmi solved the problem but I would have preferred to have had
    >>>>>> 'hands-on' access.
    >>>>>
    >>>
    >>> Size. One is 700MB, (1 CD) the full is three CDs . If you got the
    >>> full then the developement stuff is all there. But it means wehn
    >>> you installed you did not select developement stuff.

    >
    >>I've just done a fresh install of 2008 spring and seen similar
    >>issues,

    >
    >> urpmi mysql

    >
    > NO idea what is wrong since mysql is on the dvd.
    > i586/media/main/mysql-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm (Mind you mine is
    > the power dvd, so it is possible that the free one does not have
    > it. )
    >
    >
    > I suppose it is also possible that they did not somehow include it
    > in the hdlist file.


    It would appear so, mysql isn't on any of the cds

    >
    >
    >>claimed there was no package of that name, similarly for blackbox,
    >>fluxbox, g++

    >
    > blackbox is not there it is in contrib , fluxbox is, and it is
    > gcc-c++, not g++ Or gcc-cpp and they are there.
    >


    Neither fluxbox or gcc-g++ are on the free cds - gcc got installed -
    but not g++. I had a cvs version of blackbox (in /usr/local/bin) which
    was invoked in my .Xclients hence I soon noticed its absence as it
    depended on some dynamic libraries which had changed version!

    Maybe I should not mount /usr/local in a clean install/upgrade until
    after I've done a cleanliness check?!

    I installed a couple of server apps but I found that xinetd didn't get
    installed - though it is on one of the cds - soon repaired

    Robert
    --
    La grenouille songe..dans son château d'eau
    Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/

  15. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    On Sun, 04 May 2008, David W. Hodgins wrote:

    > On Sun, 04 May 2008 14:18:42 -0400, Unruh wrote:
    >
    >> NO idea what is wrong since mysql is on the dvd.
    >> i586/media/main/mysql-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm (Mind you mine is
    >> the power dvd, so it is possible that the free one does not have
    >> it. ) I suppose it is also possible that they did not somehow
    >> include it in the hdlist file.

    >
    > I have mandriva-linux-free-2008-spring-dvd-i586.iso ...
    >
    > find /media/cdrom/ -iname "mysql*"
    > /media/cdrom/i586/media/main/mysql-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm
    > /media/cdrom/i586/media/main/mysql-bench-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm
    > /media/cdrom/i586/media/main/mysql-client-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm
    > /media/cdrom/i586/media/main/mysql-common-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm
    > /media/cdrom/i586/media/main/mysql-max-5.0.51a-7mdv2008.1.i586.rpm
    >
    > Partial output from "grep -I mysql /var/lib/urpmi/*" ...
    > /var/lib/urpmi/names.Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free) -
    > Installer:libmysql15 /var/lib/urpmi/names.Mandriva Linux - 2008.1
    > (Free) - Installer:mysql-client /var/lib/urpmi/names.Mandriva Linux
    > - 2008.1 (Free) - Installer:mysql-common
    > /var/lib/urpmi/names.Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free) -
    > Installer:mysql /var/lib/urpmi/names.Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free)
    > - Installer:mysql-bench /var/lib/urpmi/names.Mandriva Linux - 2008.1
    > (Free) - Installer:mysql-max
    >
    > So it's on the dvd, and the names were extracted from the hdlist for
    > the dvd.
    >
    > I wonder if there was a burn problem?
    >



    Hard to tell, I did check the md5 check sums before burning and there
    didn't appear to be an error when doing the burn.

    I've now deleted the iso's so I can't try it again...

    On another 2008.1 matter (remembering why I hung around with 2007.0)
    is there a way of installing based upon the file you want installed?

    This afternoon I needed /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h (and other X11
    include files), in 2007 I could search on the file name, with 2008, I
    can't see that in the new rpmdrake.

    So I searched in the packages by group, first looking in
    Development -> C then
    Development -> x11 then to
    System -> Libraries and
    System -> X11

    without success, eyes must have glazed over at all those files, I see
    it's under Development->X11 (libx11_6-devel-1.1.3-6mdv2008.1) I
    eventually found it by searching for devel

    Whereas a search for a file name would have given me a much smaller
    set of rpms to page though!

    Robert
    --
    La grenouille songe..dans son château d'eau
    Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/

  16. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    On Mon, 05 May 2008 15:47:36 -0400, Robert Marshall wrote:

    > Hard to tell, I did check the md5 check sums before burning and there
    > didn't appear to be an error when doing the burn.


    Another possibility, is that it isn't in the three cd isos.

    > This afternoon I needed /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h (and other X11
    > include files), in 2007 I could search on the file name, with 2008, I
    > can't see that in the new rpmdrake.


    Use the command in a terminal ...

    $ urpmf /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h
    no xml-info available for medium "Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free) - Installer"
    no xml-info available for medium "Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free) - Installer (contrib)"
    libx11_6-devel:/usr/include/X11/Xutil.h

    The first time you run urpmf, it will download the xml-info files it needs.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  17. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    Robert Marshall wrote:

    > On another 2008.1 matter (remembering why I hung around with 2007.0)
    > is there a way of installing based upon the file you want installed?
    >
    > This afternoon I needed /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h (and other X11
    > include files), in 2007 I could search on the file name, with 2008, I
    > can't see that in the new rpmdrake.
    >
    > So I searched in the packages by group, first looking in
    > Development -> C then
    > Development -> x11 then to
    > System -> Libraries and
    > System -> X11
    >
    > without success, eyes must have glazed over at all those files, I see
    > it's under Development->X11 (libx11_6-devel-1.1.3-6mdv2008.1) I
    > eventually found it by searching for devel
    >
    > Whereas a search for a file name would have given me a much smaller
    > set of rpms to page though!


    Doesn't /KPackage/ offer you that option? (I can't really say so myself as
    I've just checked and it doesn't even appear to be installed on this
    machine here.)

    --
    *Aragorn*
    (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

  18. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    On Mon, 05 May 2008, David W. Hodgins wrote:

    > On Mon, 05 May 2008 15:47:36 -0400, Robert Marshall wrote:
    >
    >> This afternoon I needed /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h (and other X11
    >> include files), in 2007 I could search on the file name, with 2008,
    >> I can't see that in the new rpmdrake.

    >
    > Use the command in a terminal ...
    >
    > $ urpmf /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h no xml-info available for medium
    > "Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free) - Installer" no xml-info available
    > for medium "Mandriva Linux - 2008.1 (Free) - Installer (contrib)"
    > libx11_6-devel:/usr/include/X11/Xutil.h
    >
    > The first time you run urpmf, it will download the xml-info files it
    > needs.
    >


    Many thanks!

    Robert
    --
    La grenouille songe..dans son château d'eau
    Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/

  19. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    Robert Marshall writes:

    .....

    >On another 2008.1 matter (remembering why I hung around with 2007.0)
    >is there a way of installing based upon the file you want installed?


    urpmf nameoffile
    should tell you which package it is in.




  20. Re: 2008 Spring issues

    Robert Marshall wrote:

    [snip]

    > Hard to tell, I did check the md5 check sums before burning and there
    > didn't appear to be an error when doing the burn.
    >
    > I've now deleted the iso's so I can't try it again...
    >
    > On another 2008.1 matter (remembering why I hung around with 2007.0)
    > is there a way of installing based upon the file you want installed?
    >
    > This afternoon I needed /usr/include/X11/Xutil.h (and other X11
    > include files), in 2007 I could search on the file name, with 2008, I
    > can't see that in the new rpmdrake.
    >
    > So I searched in the packages by group, first looking in
    > Development -> C then
    > Development -> x11 then to
    > System -> Libraries and
    > System -> X11
    >
    > without success, eyes must have glazed over at all those files, I see
    > it's under Development->X11 (libx11_6-devel-1.1.3-6mdv2008.1) I
    > eventually found it by searching for devel
    >
    > Whereas a search for a file name would have given me a much smaller
    > set of rpms to page though!
    >
    > Robert


    Ehm.. Just wondering...

    Did you use the MCC - Software management?

    If so - be sure at the left hand the selection is not
    "Packages with GUI" (the default) but "All". This is new in
    2008.1, so it's easy to miss that one. I made that mistake
    and could not find the packages I needed
    (kernel-desktop-devel-latest etc.). Only after I selected
    "All", the "missing" packages showed up... ;-).

    John.

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